Mercedies Harris
Mercedies Harris

Mercedies Harris, speaking to the Times-Dispatch, came as close as anyone to summing up what Virginia’s Medicaid debate is all about: “The system is crazy. They have got to stop worrying about what is going to happen tomorrow and deal with the people who need help today.”

The 53-year-old veteran and Waynesboro resident suffers from glaucoma, which, if it goes untreated, likely will lead to blindness. Harris has spent his meager savings, and he’s about to lose the house where he lives with his wife and a step-son who suffers from seizures. He applied for Medicaid but was turned down because he works and his income — $8.88 an hour — is too high. But he would qualify if Virginia expanded the program, as allowed by the Affordable Care Act and as proposed by Governor Terry McAuliffe and General Assembly Democrats.

With the federal government promising to pay 90% of the cost of Medicaid expansion, it is hard to tell someone like Harris — who served his country in the military and, to all appearances, remains a contributing member of society — that, no, we can’t help you. And the idea of letting him go blind, so that he, too, becomes a total ward of the state, seems the height of folly.

Republicans insist that Medicaid must be modernized before expanding the program. To buttress their argument, they have nothing comparable to the stories of real-live people like Harris, just bloodless numbers. That’s why they could well lose the debate and McAuliffe could well get his way. But that doesn’t mean the Republicans are wrong. Someone has to worry about tomorrow.

The nation and the Commonwealth of Virginia cannot continue expanding the social safety net forever. Even after an increase in the federal income tax and even after the budget cuts imposed by sequestration, the federal budget is on a trajectory to hell. Here is the Congressional Budget Office‘s take on the next 10 years:

After [2015] deficits are projected to start rising—both in dollar terms and relative to the size of the economy—because revenues are expected to grow at roughly the same pace as GDP whereas spending is expected to grow more rapidly than GDP. In CBO’s baseline, spending is boosted by the aging of the population, the expansion of federal subsidies for health insurance, rising health care costs per beneficiary, and mounting interest costs on federal debt. By contrast, all federal spending apart from outlays for Social Security, major health care programs, and net interest payments is projected to drop to its lowest percentage of GDP since 1940.

And that’s an optimistic scenario. It assumes that the economy continues to grow in a slow-but-steady fashion without recession for what would amount to the longest business cycle in U.S. history. The longest recorded business cycle lasted less than 11 years. The current business cycle is almost five years old — another 10 years would make it the Methuselah of economic expansions. History suggests that the U.S. will suffer another recession and revenues, prone to wild gyrations due to its highly progressive structure, will plunge. The question then will be, can a president and Congress facing a fiscal crisis in 2024 be entrusted to keep the promises made by the president and Congress in 2014?

Without major policy changes, according to the CBO, the situation in 2024 will be dire: The deficit will exceed $1 trillion in a non-recessionary scenario. (One can only speculate what the deficit would be in a recession; it could exceed the $1.6 trillion-a-year level seen in the dark days of the last recession.) Ten years from now the national debt will blow past $21.6 trillion, interest payments on the debt will run $880 billion yearly, and the Social Security trust fund will be roughly seven years away from exhaustion. While entitlements and interest payments on the debt now amount to 66% of the budget, they will consume 77% in ten years (again, assuming no recession).

If a recession occurs in the early 2020s, the fiscal landscape will be far worse than it was in 2008 when the economy cratered. The United States will be forced either to cut discretionary spending (which includes the vast regulatory apparatus of the federal government plus the military), cut entitlements or cut both. The only way to avoid that fate in 2024 will be to start cutting entitlements sooner, not later.

Is it remotely plausible to think that the president and Congress of 2024 will not attempt to revise the Medicaid-expansion deal struck by a different president and different Congress more than 10 years previously? If Congress doesn’t revisit the deal — along with many other entitlements — it will only accelerate the inevitable reckoning in which the entire federal government crashes and burns.

That’s what Virginia Republicans are worrying about — and what every Virginian with a brain should be worried about. The fiscal picture in 2024 may seem an academic concern to Mercedies Harris, who has pressing needs right now. But only someone living in a fantasy world can persist in the delusion that we can continue expanding entitlements on borrowed money without the entire system eventually crashing. When that time comes — what I call Boomergeddon — where will Mercedies Harris and hundreds of thousands like him go for succor? How many times will the tragedies be magnified?


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15 responses to “Someone Has to Worry about Tomorrow”

  1. why don’t the Va GOP worry about the current outlays for things like Medicare and Military and really transportation and schools if they are going to worry about the future?

    this is not about MedicAid. It’s about partisan politics.

    we currently subsidize Medicare to the tune of giving seniors full coverage, no life-time max health care for the grand sum of 100.00 a month even if they are making 85K in retirement income and I’ve not heard a single Virginia GOP worry about future funding for Medicare.. and use that as a reason why we should stop taking Federal money….

    I’ve not heard one single Va elected say that they know that we cannot afford the Federal spending that currently powers NoVa and Hampton and refuse to take the money.

    it’s downright scandalous that we have veteran residents of Va that Va will not provide health care for.. what do we expect? that people from Ohio and New Jersey should pay for Va Veterans? we can’t pay for our own veterans?

    it’s disgusting. We can raise taxes for highways but we can’t provide medical care to – working Veterans…

    we have flimsy, bogus, excuses… not principled objections…

    how can we be spending twice as much for health care in this county – and essentially blame the people who don’t have it – as the cause of it?

    we can spend money on sending a 19 year old to do stupid stuff in the name of the US in Iraq but we can’t provide medical care for veterans?

    we have totally screwed up priorities in this country , in my opinion..

    how many jobs will be provided by MedicAid expansion?

    how come the folks who are opposed call ObamaCare and the MedicAid expansion “job killers” when we will gain thousands of jobs if we take the money?

    what happens if the Feds renege? then do the same damn thing we’d do if the Feds cut transportation or military dollars.. suck it up – like we always do.

    The GOP loses on this – because – they have no alternatives.

    They are perfectly happy to see Mercedies Harris lose his eyesight and his house and go broke.. just so they can stick a thumb in the Feds eye.

    they should be ashamed. they do one of the biggest tax increases in the history of the Commonwealth – to pay for “transportation” but they wont lift a finger to help veterans like Mercedies Harris.

    we’re not being fiscally responsible – we’re being stupid and hateful toward people who, like Mercedies Harris, DESERVE medical care.

    Did I say “grump”? you bet I did GRUMP! what in the world has happened to us ?

    we cannot help Mercedies Harris because it might mean we also help people who don’t deserve it or might make ObamaCare more successful?

    if you want to worry about the deficit/debt – and yes they are well worth being concerned about – deal with the real issues – a military than is bigger than the next 10 countries combined and Medicare which should cost people with 80K in income , at least $400 a month.

  2. The University of Nebraska Medical Center projected Medicaid expansion in Indiana would save “individuals $236 and families $677 in annual health insurance premiums beginning in 2014.” So why not calculate or locate the comparable Virginia numbers and require premium cuts (or the reduction in premium increases) beginning in 2015 by those amounts? Delaying the refund mandate to 2015 gives the market time to react to Medicaid expansion. Indiana looks similar to Virginia in size, so the numbers might be comparable. Also, calculate or identify the amount of savings to the Commonwealth claimed to occur from a reduction in uncompensated care costs; subtract the Commonwealth’s cost for its share of Medicaid expansion; and transfer the remaining savings out from the portion of the budget that goes to indigent care. Put the savings into other programs. This approach puts health care provider and insurance company skin in the game and forces the Commonwealth to protect taxpayers and premium payers against the risks the cost savings predictions are wrong.
    If things work the way supporters say, everyone wins. If, on the other hand, the cost savings don’t appear, the costs fall on the very people at the van of the expansion argument – the health care industry.
    This is no different than what the FCC did for many years. When local telephone companies filed their access tariffs at lower rates, the FCC made AT&T calculate lower rates that flowed through the projected savings to consumers. AT&T’s lower rates forced MCI and Sprint to lower their rates to remain competitive.

    1. I can see the argument about pure entitlements for people who do not work..

      but when you have someone who works 40 hours a week and they don’t have insurance.. it bothers me and when the 40-hour a week worker is a veteran, it bothers me a whole lot.

      We give breaks and incentives to veterans right now.. but to have them among us, working full time and not having medical care seems an atrocity that no matter what the argument about MedicAid is – we should not stand for it.

      to me – that would me a compromise position.. cover the folks who work full time and work on the other part building community clinics for the indigent … or for that matter – A PLAN of some kind .. rather than just opposition to the current proposal.

      Do something.

      try to deal with the issue in some way at least so full time workers have some access… otherwise.. we’re just adrift ..and really feckless…

      I’m no “sympathizer” for the “poor”. I’m looking at this purely from the point of view that we’re all going to pay for those without insurance and it’s a simple thing – if we are going to pay – then let’s do it in a cost-effective way instead of living in denial and paying ER rates for primary care …

      it’s just unconscionable for us to stand by why our health care system is driving the country towards a 1/3 or more of our productivity squandered on uber-expensive health care – for no good reason other than our own obstinance to deal with the realities.

      what we’re doing, in effect, is , we’re choosing to subsidize seniors who make 85K in income – more than many younger workers make by 2- 3 times.. we’re subsidizing those folks – at the expense of using any of that subsidy to provide even minimal care to those under 65 who are working poor.

      how did we get to this point where our priorities are so screwed up that we defend this convoluted and byzantine logic?

  3. Breckinridge Avatar
    Breckinridge

    The first thing I noticed about the TD piece this morning was that, while only about a quarter of the uninsured in Virginia are African-American, all three of the cases they profiled (and all three of the individuals they photographed on Page One) were African-American. The stereotypes about poverty persist…

    My unanswered question about Mr. Harris was, how much military service did he do and does he qualify for the VA system? Perhaps he doesn’t, but I don’t think the story told me. Perhaps he does and it won’t help him, which is another story entirely about where we are going with government-designed single payer health care….

    Another nagging reaction to the story was the cost of the medications involved, and how that was really the problem for these people. You think the people behind the 460 project are crooks, do a little digging into big Pharma. I just don’t think the Affordable Care Act has created much affordability, for these people or for others.

    Bacon, you are dead right that the current situation is unsustainable and doomed to collapse. I don’t view the Virginians standing against Medicaid expansion are doing a darn thing to slow that collapse (there stand is symbolic but fruitless) so I’m inclined to go with the flow and expand it here. The principled stand would be to shut down the whole program, for existing recipients as well as those covered by expansion. Good luck with that.

    But I’m intrigued with TMT’s suggestion that more of the risk of collapse be shared by the incredibly wealthy medical establishment. They are people who will benefit if the House relents.

    1. if Mercedies Harris makes it to 65 – even if he is half dead, blind and requires 100K a year of medical care – we will pay that bill. All of us will. In fact, if Mercedies chooses to stop working, and claim he is disabled, he can Medicare right now.. as well as social security disability payments.

      how much sense does that make economically for the Fed budget?

      social security disability is now being forced to pay out less than full benefits because so many folks have figured out that they can get Medicare before age 65 if they are “disabled”.

      who would be more entitled to a disability status than a Veteran?

      Massachusetts and a couple other states have decided to be responsible for the residents of their state for health care.

      Virginia is still playing games.. and trying to blame it on someone else.

  4. If the GOP had an alternate plan for health care – and that was what they were fighting for – a different vision for health care – we could have a debate worth having and at the end – a direction chosen …

    but this is being opposed to something and having zero alternatives.

    you cannot be a legitimate opposition party with an opposition only regime.

    that’s the frustration.

    we cannot continue to pay twice as much as other countries for health care and at the same time fret about deficit and debt – and really be serious.

    if you want to be opposed to something you need to do one of two things:

    1. – say that there is no problem.. that’s the “fix” is looking to fix something that is not broke.

    2. – that there is a problem but you are not only opposed to the current proposal but you have a better solution.

    the position that .. yes we have a problem and .. we are opposed to the current proposal but we have none of our own – is not legitimate.

    we’re living in LA LA Land. we think we can balance our budget by getting rid of entitlements only.

    people should take the time to see how ObamaCare is funded by the way – it’s not from the general fund…

    it has no direct impact on the deficit nor the debt.

    boy would I like to see an honest debate on this because the one the Virginia GOP in the GA is using is totally bogus.

    1. So what about my plan to expand Medicaid, but hold the taxpayers and insured harmless in case it doesn’t work the way McAuliffe promises it will?

      1. re: ” The University of Nebraska Medical Center projected Medicaid expansion in Indiana would save “individuals $236 and families $677 in annual health insurance premiums beginning in 2014.”

        ???? what is this?

        got a link? can you explain the details?

        how do you hold the taxpayers in Va “harmless” when the funding for MedicAid works this way:

        +.9% Increase in Medicare Tax Rate

        3.8% New Tax on unearned income for high-income taxpayers= $210.2 billion ($200,000 for individual and $250,000 for joint filers)

        New Annual Fee on health insurance providers = $60 billion (For calculation – Sec 9010 (b) of the PPACA.)[1]

        40% New Tax on health insurance policies which cost more than $10,200 for an individual or $27,500 for a family, per year = $32 billion (inland tax as opposed to an importation tax)
        New Annual Fee on manufacturers and importers of branded drugs = $27 billion (For calculation – Sec 9008 (b) of the PPACA)[2]

        2.3% New Tax on manufacturers and importers of certain medical devices = $20 billion
        +2.5% Increase (7.5% to 10%) in the Adjusted Gross Income floor on medical expenses deduction = $15.2 billion

        Limit annual contributions to $2,500 on flexible spending arrangements in cafeteria plans (plans that allow employees to choose between different types of benefits) = $13 billion
        All other revenue sources = $14.9 billion

        10% New Tax imposed on each individual for whom “indoor tanning services” are performed.

        3.8% New Tax on investment income. Includes: gross income from interest, dividends, royalties, rents, and net capital gains. Investment income does not include interest on tax-exempt bonds, veterans’ benefits, excluded gain from the sale of a principle residence, distributions from retirement plans, or amounts subject to self-employment taxes. (The lesser of net investment income or the excess of modified Adjusted Gross Income over a the dollar amount at which the highest income tax bracket, typically $250,000 for married filing jointly and $200,000 filing as an individual).

        can you show where the costs are to taxpayers in Virginia?

  5. Larry, it’s not that hard. Let’s use the Indiana numbers as proxies for Virginia numbers. The study shows expanding Medicaid will reduce the costs of uncompensated care paid through insurance policy payments for “individuals $236 and families $677.” We expand Medicaid. So when any insurance company or company that self insures calculate their 2015 premiums and file them with the VSCC, the companies must reduce their planned premiums by $236 for individuals and by $677 for families.” They have to flow through the projected savings up front. If all goes well, everybody breaks even and more people have coverage, aren’t going to the ERs, are taking better care of themselves, etc., etc. If Medicaid expansion costs more, instead of less, then the insurance companies and self-insured companies take it in the shorts to the tune of $236 for every individual policy and $677 for every family policy sold or provided to Virginians.

    The same holds true for taxpayers. Let’s say, the experts say expanding Medicaid will cut down on the amount of taxpayer reimbursed care for the indigent by $200 M. The GA takes $200 M out of that fund and spends it on education or public safety or transportation, less any state costs for funding Medicaid expansion. If the projections are correct, everyone breaks even. But if Medicaid expansion increases costs, the health care providers eat $200 M.

    My plan, at the state level, protects Joe and Jane taxpayer, while putting the risk that McAuliffe is wrong on the health care industry. It will also put a lot of pressure on state government, insurance companies and health care providers to make sure McAuliffe is right – Medicaid expansion will save money. If the Oregon situation occurs and Medicaid is more expensive, the health care industry and the McAuliffe administration have a helluva problem on their hands and a big incentive to fix it. It also prevents the North Carolina situation where state aid to schools was cut to fund Medicaid cost overruns doesn’t happen here.

    Today, if McAuliffe is wrong, we just have to pay more for Medicaid and the insurance companies and health care providers are protected. Screw ’em.

    1. re: ” Larry, it’s not that hard. Let’s use the Indiana numbers as proxies for Virginia numbers. The study shows expanding Medicaid will reduce the costs of uncompensated care paid through insurance policy payments for “individuals $236 and families $677.” We expand Medicaid. So when any insurance company or company that self insures calculate their 2015 premiums and file them with the VSCC, the companies must reduce their planned premiums by $236 for individuals and by $677 for families.”

      where exactly do you get this from? where is your data? and why do you assume there is a connection between insurance companies and uncompensated care and their own premiums?

      where are you getting this? give me a source.

      “They have to flow through the projected savings up front. If all goes well, everybody breaks even and more people have coverage, aren’t going to the ERs, are taking better care of themselves, etc., etc. If Medicaid expansion costs more, instead of less, then the insurance companies and self-insured companies take it in the shorts to the tune of $236 for every individual policy and $677 for every family policy sold or provided to Virginians.”

      no.. tell me what Virginians are paying paying right now for uncompensated care costs.. where is that number? and what would Virginians be paying instead, per capita, for expanded medicaid?

      “The same holds true for taxpayers. Let’s say, the experts say expanding Medicaid will cut down on the amount of taxpayer reimbursed care for the indigent by $200 M. ”

      you’re basing your numbers on what?

      “The GA takes $200 M out of that fund and spends it on education or public safety or transportation, less any state costs for funding Medicaid expansion. If the projections are correct, everyone breaks even. But if Medicaid expansion increases costs, the health care providers eat $200 M.”

      the taxes that fund MedicAid expansion do not come from Virginia taxpayers or cost the state specific taxes.. right?

      the taxes that fund the expansion come from about a dozen different Federal taxes , not Virginia taxes.

      “My plan, at the state level, protects Joe and Jane taxpayer, while putting the risk that McAuliffe is wrong on the health care industry.”

      It’s not McAuliffe. why are you personalizing it? it’s the same deal for all 50 states no matter who the Gov is.. there is no “McAuliffe” ..”plan”. It’s a take it or leave it proposition for all states.

      ” It will also put a lot of pressure on state government, insurance companies and health care providers to make sure McAuliffe is right – Medicaid expansion will save money.”

      no it won’t. how are you going to compute “savings” verses increased taxes on Virginia taxpayers?

      ” If the Oregon situation occurs and Medicaid is more expensive, the health care industry and the McAuliffe administration have a helluva problem on their hands and a big incentive to fix it. It also prevents the North Carolina situation where state aid to schools was cut to fund Medicaid cost overruns doesn’t happen here.”

      how long are you willing to see a transition occur? Does it have to happen overnight? If there is SOME savings the first year – is that not acceptable?

      “Today, if McAuliffe is wrong, we just have to pay more for Medicaid and the insurance companies and health care providers are protected. Screw ‘em.”

      it has ZIP to do with McAuliffe no more than it had to do personally with Kasich of Ohio. It’s the same deal for all states no matter who the GOv is and no matter what political party he belongs to.

      your “plan” is 100% bogus TMT. you’re setting up a scenario , a partisan scenario where there is none and you’re judging success on whether or not ER care reduces in one year instead of over a few years.

      if you want certainty in Va – just have legislation that says if you have MedicAid, you don’t get routine care at the ER.

      find a way to try to make it work instead of trying to find a way to make it fail.

      give it a chance .. why not? what is your better idea? You have none guy and your only “plan” is to prove this one fails and after than – nothing.

      that’s not a plan. that’s just pure partisan politics.

      1. The Indiana Hospital Association hired UNMC to conduct a study of the costs and benefits of expanding Medicaid in Indiana. The proposed expansion was about 406,000 people – close to Virginia. Among the benefits calculated were reductions in uncompensated care the share of which passed on by health care providers on a per-policy basis was claimed to be savings of “individuals $236 and families $677.”

        Doesn’t that tell you that, according to the hospitals, expansion of Medicaid would reduce the need to charge an individual policy holder by $236? OK, let’s accept that as true, but go one step further, mandate the reduction in the form of a premium offset. Blue Cross Blue Shield needs to give its savings to policy payers – be they businesses or individuals. If BC/BS insured 500 K individuals, its policy revenue would need to be reduced by $11.8 M – the projected cost savings from the uninsured getting free care, passed along, in part, by premium increases. Eliminate the free care, and pass along the savings. Further assume BC/BS insures 500,000 families. It would be required to reduce its premium revenues by $338,500,000. Now those are savings. And if they don’t materialize, the insurance companies and, presumably, by contract health care providers. But isn’t that fair since the industry is projecting the savings?

        Now in fairness, we need the changes to take effect, so wait a year before flowing through the savings.

        Why do you think its fair for the industry and state government to predict savings, but not hold them to their projections? The argument from the Democrats is expansion will save people money. OK, let’s take that as true and pass along the savings. Otherwise, McAuliffe ought to say it might even cost more but I’m willing to see consumers and taxpayers pay more to cover 400 K people. If the savings grow over time, starting small, that’s fine too. Just pass on a growing amount of savings each year. But what I find extremely unfair is to sell the expansion on the ground it will save consumers and taxpayers money and not pass along those savings to consumers. If you want to calculate savings over three years, weighting the paybacks till the last year to be conservative, I’m fine with that. But keep the promise or don’t make it.

        1. Normally, TMT, when taxes and spending are the issue – people are asking how much more it will cost them.

          In his case – they’re not saying you’ll pay more. They say you may pay less (but don’t know precisely yet) but more important, more people will have access to regular medical care – several hundred thousand fellow Virginians including Mercedies Harris.

          On what basis would you deny Mr. Harris better access to medical care?

          because it will cost you more?

          or because it may not save you as much money as some claimed it might?

          For Indiana which you propose as a proxy for Virginia:

          • The estimated number of new Medicaid enrollees in Indiana under the Affordable Care Act expansion through 2020 is 406,717.

          hundreds of thousands of your fellow citizens – some of them veterans like Mr. Harris

          • The estimated cost of Medicaid expansion for the State of Indiana is $503 million through 2020.

          this will be a cost to you – yes.. and would amount to (back of envelope) about 70-90 dollars per capita but at the same time Virginia will lose about that same amount of disproportionate share (taxpayer provided) subsidies to hospitals.

          • The estimated revenue that will come to the State of Indiana from the federal government as a result of the Medicaid expansion is $10.45 billion through 2020.

          so Virginia will receive 10 billion dollars to go with the 500 million they have to pay?

          • Spending by the federal government on Medicaid expansion would generate an estimated $2.4 to $3.4 billion in new economic activity in Indiana from 2014 to 2020, which could finance over 30,000 jobs through 2020.

          30,000 more jobs for Virginia – more doctors and other health professionals especially for the rural and urban core areas where more jobs are needed.

          • Spending on Medicaid expansion will generate at least $108 million in state and local tax revenue each year.

          Virginia will also receive additional tax revenues from the expansion?

          • The decrease in the number of uninsured resulting from the Medicaid expansion is estimated to save individuals $236 and families $677 in annual health insurance premiums beginning in 2014. These savings can also be viewed as a “silent tax” that individuals and families would potentially pay if a state chooses to not expand Medicaid.

          so all of the other things above but this bullet is the one thing you want to use
          as a metric as to whether you will get your share of savings or not?

          this makes about as much sense as the Va GOP’s arguments.

          the Va GOP argument is bogus to the bone.

          their basic argument is that the Feds will pay now but later on they won’t have the money to pay – because they are saying wrongly – and they know this – that the Feds won’t have the general revenues to pay for it.

          but is the MedicAid expansion is funded from general revenues to start with?

          Obamacare (which includes the MedicAid expansion) are said to come from about 12 different dedicated taxes and fees rather than general revenue.

          so when the GOP says that the Feds will not be able to fulfill their promise as the deficit worsens – they totally ignore and pretend to not know the facts about what actually funds the expansion – i.e. earmarked taxes and fees.

          One such fee is the change to the threshold for itemized medical expenses from 7.5% to 10% (except for 65 and over which stays at 7.6%).

          the interesting thing is that people without insurance – have low income and out-of-pocket medical costs – like Mr. Harris has – cannot itemize like richer people can. Mr. Harris cannot even get a credit on his taxes for his out-of-pocket medical costs – even though – those who are far better off – get a tax break.

          so basically, part of the MedicAid funding is coming from a reduction in tax breaks for those who can itemize and gives part of those tax benefit to those who cannot itemize – in the form of access to MedicAid.

          Now who in the world with any sense of fair play and basic morals would argue that Mr. Harris is not equally as entitled to tax breaks for his Medical care like others get? But it’s worse than that – because Mr. Harris already receives taxpayer funding to visit the ER but we refuse to provide him with funding to see a primary care physician. that’s not only immoral – it’s economically and tax-policy dumb.

  6. I don’t think it’s a matter of “fairness” in making predictions – especially when changes are in health care.

    are you familiar with what Disproportionate share hospital subsidies are?

    Do you think that if those subsidies are cut for the poorer rural and urban core hospitals that they may be forced to close?

    these cuts are not estimates.. they are givens.

    do you think when they cut these subsidies – that you have a share of that cut?

    what do you think will happen in a state that declines the medicaid expansion and still gets the disproportionate share cuts?

    do you think the state will step in to pick up those subsidies and tax you to pay for them?

    I don’t think we know the answer about what will happen to the ERs, but I would bet that a hospital that no longer gets subsidies for charitable ER care is going to either turn people away or increase costs to those who have insurance – OR they will close.

    What the Va GOP is essentially proposing – is to close some rural hospitals in Va.. if they do nothing.

    but I’m sort of curious as to whether you realized that we – you and I and others were, in addition to cost-shifting – were also paying disproportionate share subsidies …

    .. and … if you had a choice.. would you rather continue paying those subsidies rather than expanding MedicAid?

    what would be your choice ?

  7. Darrell Avatar

    “Medicaid expansion in Indiana would save “individuals $236 and families $677 in annual health insurance premiums beginning in 2014.”

    I don’t buy it. You save a penny to pay a buck.
    Tomorrow? Here’s what is happening today.
    2014 Excluded Drugs (*drugs excluded by Caremark and/or Express Scripts in 2013)

    Lumigan, and 101 other brand name drugs doctors routinely prescribe because generics aren’t as effective.
    Lumigan are eye drops used for glaucoma. A 5ml bottle costs $250 bucks without insurance. You get maybe 30 days out of it.

    Perhaps the patient should demand the doctor not use brand name drugs. That way they get an extra tax exemption, disability payments and maybe a malpractice award when they go blind.

    Keep that in mind when you find your Lipitor prescription has been swapped to one filled with tablets made of chinese chicken because the FDA has no money, manpower or motivation for generic drug inspections.

    But in the meantime it’s all good news for the Fat Cat investors.

    CVS Caremark stock is up 12% YTD to a new LIFETIME high.
    Express Scripts has also hit a LIFETIME high, rewarding their Wall Street majority shareholders.

  8. there’s a lot of dimensions on health care but it sorta sounds like someone who does have some kind of less-than-100% insurance and some kind of limited prescription benefits is not entirely happy and still has out of pocket.

    such is life.

    I’m quite sure those with no insurance or prescription coverage at all would gladly change places with those who have “crappy” insurance, and are forced to itemize their out-of-pocket…

    here’s what we ought to do. We should take away the tax-free health insurance benefit and also the ability to write off medical costs – for everyone.

    let everyone buy their insurance on the open market and if the insurance companies will not cover them or want 30K a year to cover them – tough cookies. No more entitlements – for anyone.

    let’s get everyone in the same healthcare boat and go from there.

    and let’s start with the GA – no health care from the government. get your own from the private sector on that free market you’re always blathering about.

    let’s see what kinds of winners and losers we’ll get in the General Assembly when it comes to free market health insurance and old white guy pre-existing conditions.

    we’e built a system that favors some people and penalizes others.. for no good reason – other than our own hypocrisy that some kinds of people “deserve” access to medical care – and are given myriad tax benefits to ensure their access and others including the working poor like Mr. Harris – do not deserve anything.. it’s a de facto caste system for health care and it emulates the 3rd world. The most powerful economic nation on earth – apparently wants a 3rd world health system that costs them nearly a fourth of their GDP – all the time bleating about the Federal deficit.

    You don’t have to support ObamaCare to fix this – but to support an opposition party – to vote for a party that supports nothing else says reams about us as a people.

    The rural hospitals in Va totally depend on subsidies to provide care to their large numbers of uninsured but yet in Richmond, the elected folks who represent those areas – are doing whatever they can to dismantle and damage rather than address the issue.

    Take the money from the Feds – built rural community health centers and provide incentives to students at UVA Medical and VCU medical to staff their clinics. Get the locals to volunteer to staff the center – to help their neighbors.

    do something positive to go along with your opposition to MedicAid expansion.

    do something to prove that you do have a better path and not just strident opposition to what you don’t like.

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