Warner Promises Tough Questions on Afghanistan Collapse

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Fiasco. The hasty and chaotic withdrawal of American forces from Afghanistan has shocked politicians from both sides of the aisle.  Virginia’s own Senator Mark Warner, Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman, will work with other committees to investigate how the US was caught off guard by the Taliban’s quick victory. The Hill quotes Warner as saying, “As the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee, I hope to work with the other committees of jurisdiction to ask tough but necessary questions about why we weren’t better prepared for a worst-case scenario involving such a swift and total collapse of the Afghan government and security forces.”  Warner correctly adds, “We owe those answers to the American people and to all those who served and sacrificed so much.”

Warner described the images from Afghanistan as “devastating.”

Framing the question. President Biden’s few defenders on Afghanistan have been trying to shift focus from the execution of the withdrawal to the strategy of the withdrawal. This is nonsense. If you ask someone to put on their shoes and socks you don’t expect them to do so in that order. While most Americans wanted disentanglement from Afghanistan there was no need for a bolt to the exits. There was no military crisis affecting Americans or American troops in Afghanistan until Biden ordered the hasty withdrawal. As Capt. Sherlock wrote on this very blog, “Afghanistan in June of this year was not at peace but it was effectively pacified. Not a single NATO soldier, airman, Marine or SPECOPS warrior had been killed in Afghanistan 18 months. The Afghan army faced little combat opposition.” In other words, American forces in Afghanistan were pretty much in the same situation as in South Korea.

But the Biden Administration ordered a “reverse blitzkrieg” abandonment of Afghanistan by U.S. forces.

The aftermath of withdrawal. Americans trained our Afghan allies to fight in the American style of warfare. A lynchpin of this highly coordinated approach is airpower. As long ago as June 6 it was widely recognized that Afghan government forces would be in peril if the U.S. removed the contractors who kept the aircraft flying.  s NBCNews reported, “Afghan government forces could lose the single most important military advantage they have over the Taliban — air power — when private contractors and U.S. troops leave the country in coming weeks.”

A Defense Department inspector’s general report, completed on Dec. 31, 2020 stated that the Afghan forces would not be able to keep fighter planes, helicopters, cargo aircraft or drones flying for more than a few months with out the U.S. contractors. Apparently the Biden Administration neglected to read the report or simply ignored it.

The contractors left, the Afghan army folded, and chaos ensued.

The excuse machine. The Biden Administration has been quick to make excuses. Some of the excuses illustrate jaw dropping incompetence. Others are eye popping fabrications.

Just a month ago Biden told the American people the prospect of the Taliban controlling the whole country was “highly unlikely.” Yet in an interview today with ABC Biden insisted the chaos was unavoidable. That excuse represents incompetence.

Biden claimed that Trump’s Doha agreement forced Biden’s policy. However, that agreement had a clause that vacated the deal if the Afghan peace talks failed. They failed. Biden chose to stay in it anyway. The AP has a good analysis here. That excuse is a lie.

Biden now is tying to minimize the impact of his administration’s failures. Yesterday, in an ABC interview with George Stephanopoulos Biden claimed, “But, look, b– but no one’s being killed right now, God forgive me if I’m wrong about that, but no one’s being killed right now.” Unfortunately for Biden’s credibility photos surfaced of a woman who was shot and killed by the Taliban for failing to wear a burqa. As long ago as July 12, CNN reported on the Taliban killing of an unarmed woman in the Faryab privince. Out of a sense of charity let’s chalk this one up to incompetence.

The beat goes on. The are at least 10,000 Americans who need to be evacuated from the results of the Biden Administration’s disaster in Afghanistan. Then there are the far more numerous Afghan allies that should be evacuated too.

Today Defense Department Spokesman John Kirby admitted the Department of Defense doesn’t know who or even how many people have been evacuated by the U.S. so far. Some U.S. citizens, some US allies, and some Afghanis have been flown out. He just doesn’t know who or how many. However, it gets worse. Biden’s Secretary of Defense admitted, “I don’t have the capability” to escort stranded Americans to Kabul Airport.

Dear Senator Warner. This has been a disaster of our own making. The Afghans are suffering horribly. Our allies are stunned. One German lawmaker said, “This does fundamental damage to the political and moral credibility of the West.”  Our enemies are emboldened and making threats. “After the fall of the Kabul regime, the Taiwan authorities must be trembling,” Hu Xijin, editor-in-chief of the state-controlled Global Times, said on Twitter.

Please resist the temptation to make your committee’s inquiry a partisan whitewash. America needs to honestly untangle this mess to determine how we could have been so hopelessly incompetent. Let the chips fall where they may.

If the  Chairman of the Joint Chiefs — Mark Milley and/or Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin need to resign you should call for that. There must be consequences for such an epic failure.

–DJ Rippert  


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66 responses to “Warner Promises Tough Questions on Afghanistan Collapse”

  1. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    If Austin and Milley and other advisers involved said to leave Troops 2500 or so in country and Grandpa Gropes said no, they should all do the honorable thing and resign. If they all told Grandpa Gropes to do it, then they should all do the honorable thing and resign. The idiots left billions of dollars in advanced weaponry and systems available for sale to China and Russia and Iran and didn’t have any contingency plans in place at all.

      1. Wow. They threw that together fast. It’s almost as if someone knew in advance that things were going to go terribly wrong with our exit from Afghanistan.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Uh, Wayne. That was written by the guy who had been there bewteen 2012 and 2021. He had it written for a long time.

          The idea is not lessons learned, but what we need to learn because “we will do it again.”

          I liked the part where we refurbished 30-year old cargo planes for $1/2B and no spare parts. The Afghanis sold them as scrap for $40K

        2. The SIGAR reports have been underway for some time now documenting the corruption and ineffectiveness of our spending in country. https://www.sigar.mil/

      2. But we spent $750M on gender equity in Afghanistan last year. NOTE: Those words do not translate into Pashtun nor Dari – two major languages and tribes in the country. But thank God those gender study major grads from Harvard and Yale tried.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          But… “Last Year”… Trump was in office.

          Here, since you will enjoy it, your very own copy of Trump’s Surrender Agreement with the Taliban.
          https://www.state.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Agreement-For-Bringing-Peace-to-Afghanistan-02.29.20.pdf

          1. So the Taliban was required to take steps too…. did it? It did meet the primary requirement of not attacking US personnel. Poor Joe just can’t read really long paragraphs and comprehend them I guess.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      They should resign. They have spent lifetimes building their reputations and legacies through courage, hard work and honorable service. If Joe “What day is it today” Biden won’t listen to them they will become part and parcel of his disgrace.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Well this really frays the “Virginia connection” for BR!

    You make some good points, like the one about American contractors, but what was the solution to them leaving? We’d expect them to stay without US troops having their back? What should Biden have actually done about that?

    We went to Afghanistan to get Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda,. We did that.
    After than, we were Nation Building , we never learn that’s a much harder thing to do – and , we’re clearly not good at it.

    I saw reports that said that Afghan troops ran when they no longer were getting supplied with food and ammunition.

    If the US was going to leave, who was supposed to ensure the Afghan troops got resupplied and is anyone really surprised when they ran out of food and ammo – they ran? What exactly was Biden supposed to do about that?

    So again, what was the RIGHT way for this to be done when the US left?

    Biden may well get the blame, some of it partisan and from the typical war hawks, but I really do not think he could have done much to replace American contractors or assure that food and ammo was provided to Afghan troops. It was going to unravel no matter when it happened.

    Biden had the guts to do it, and he will pay a political price for it. I chalk that up to character that the prior POTUS did not have and evaded what had to be done.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Warner is our senator. What he does should matter to Virginians.

      You are putting your socks over your shoes.

      The issue wasn’t leaving Afghanistan. It was how he left. Everybody get that – even Warner.

      Biden knew – https://www.wsj.com/articles/confidential-state-department-cable-in-july-warned-of-afghanistans-collapse-11629406993

      What should he have done? Presumably Warner will untangle that. But here’s one thing …

      Get the non-military Americans out before the combat troops.

      That wasn’t too hard.

      I would have kept Bagram Air Base. Like we had Incirlik in Turkey all those years.

      Giving up Bagram Airfield was a gift to the Iranians, plain and simple.

      Lots of pretty obvious things could have been doen differently.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Oh I agree about the “how we left” It does appear to have been bungled but again, unless BIden was actually making implementation decisions himself instead of leaving that up to the military and state dept…………

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          That’s what Warner should untangle. How does our ridiculously expensive federal government keep making these mistakes?

          Right now, it looks bad for Biden …

          https://www.wsj.com/articles/confidential-state-department-cable-in-july-warned-of-afghanistans-collapse-11629406993

          But we will hopefully see when the investigation launches.

        2. Jimmy Carter didn’t personally plan the Iran hostage rescue attempt, either, but:

          “This rescue attempt had to await my judgment that the Iranian authorities could not or would not resolve this crisis on their own initiative. With the steady unraveling of authority in Iran and the mounting dangers that were posed to the safety of the hostages themselves and the growing realization that their early release was highly unlikely, I made a decision to commence the rescue operations plans.

          This attempt became a necessity and a duty. The readiness of our team to undertake the rescue made it completely practicable. Accordingly, I made the decision to set our long-developed plans into operation. I ordered this rescue mission prepared in order to safeguard American lives, to protect America’s national interests, and to reduce the tensions in the world that have been caused among many nations as this crisis has continued.

          It was my decision to attempt the rescue operation. It was my decision to cancel it when problems developed in the placement of our rescue team for a future rescue operation. The responsibility is fully my own.”

          Excerpt of Press Conference by President Carter – April 25, 1980

          Mr. Carter’s entire address was a little over six and a half minutes long. During that time he used the word “I” 13 times and “my” 8 times – and not once was it in a self aggrandizing or self-defensive context.

          I did not care for Mr. Carter as president of the United States, but I recognize that he at least knew how to accept responsibility for the things that happened on his watch without publicly throwing other people under the bus.

          https://millercenter.org/the-presidency/presidential-speeches/april-25-1980-statement-iran-rescue-mission

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I agree and it did cost him a second term. I don’t think Biden is blameless for this but basically he had to choose from options presented and none of them had good outcomes and kicking the can down the road like his predecessors the least damaging to him.

            And do you remember the POTUS who claimed he was “out of the loop”?

          2. And do you remember the POTUS who claimed he was “out of the loop”?

            Ah, yes. The ubiquitous, and in this case irrelevant “what-about-ism”.

            George Bush did claim he was “out of the loop” – about something that happened while he was vice-president. “The buck” does not stop with the vice-president, it stops with the president.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Actually, it was Reagan and Ollie North, no?

            I think Bush actually did pardon the Iran-Contra folks, no?

            Not really “what-a-boutism” – just pointing out that these kinds of issues are not exactly uncommon.

            Remember Shock and Awe and “mission accomplished”? 😉

            Almost every POTUS ends up with them at some point. Even today, Truman gets blamed, no?

          4. Actually, it was Reagan and Ollie North, no?

            No. Herblock did not draw his “I was out of the loop” cartoon about Ollie North or Ronald Reagan.

            https://www.loc.gov/pictures/item/00652271/

            You asked the question: “And do you remember the POTUS who claimed he was “out of the loop”?”

            I gave you the correct answer. I also explained that the man was referring to something which happened while he was NOT in charge of running the executive branch of our government, and that your “what-about-ism” was, therefore, not relevant the issue at hand: presidential responsibility.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I might stand corrected on Reagan but also continue to point out that every POTUS (including Reagan and Bush) have had their moments like Biden is now.

            I do not diminish it. THe buck DOES stop at POTUS but the POTUS has no control over a lot of what happens on IMPLEMENTATION of policy.

            They set the policy. How it is carried out they don’t have hands-on control.

            They are accountable for the policy but things that happen down the chain is not something they can really control.

            l say that no matter the POTUS .

            It’s my view.

  3. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Analogy for me is the safety mantra for aircraft pilots: aviate, then navigate. Dems are so anxious to navigate us to the Progressive Promised Land, they are forgetting to keep the ship from crashing and burning on the way there.

  4. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Analogy for me is the safety mantra for aircraft pilots: aviate, then navigate. Dems are so anxious to navigate us to the Progressive Promised Land, they are forgetting to keep the ship from crashing and burning on the way there.

  5. Publius Avatar

    I have no expectations that the fake great businessman Senator will do anything. I remember him saying RUSSIA for quite a while until he let Pencil Neck Schiff do all the RUSSIA lying. Warner was on Intelligence and knew he was lying then. I can’t stand him, but I can’t stand Fake Catholic L’il Timmie Kaine more.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      I’m willing to give Warner some leeway on this. Sometimes he surprises with reasonable behavior. Sometimes.

      I’m with you on Little Timmy Kaine. 100% partisan.

      1. Publius Avatar

        I’d like to be surprised…

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          I should think you always are.

          1. Publius Avatar

            Amazingly, I’m not. And you? Just blindly following orders? Since you approve of the COVID vax mandate, I’m guessing they already lobotomized you?

        2. So would I.

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    The richest member of the Senate calls for tough questions. Give me a break!

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      He’s the known richest man in the Senate. One can only guess at McConnell’s “offshore” assets, and the last time I checked Romney’s still a Senator.

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      You really have a bug up your butt over wealthy people in government.

      Here is a list of the wealthiest presidents in US history.

      Putting Trump aside …

      #2. Kennedy
      #3. Washington
      #4. Jefferson
      #5. Theordore Roosevelt

      As an historian, do you believe that these men were corrupt failures too?

      https://www.voanews.com/usa/all-about-america/here-are-10-richest-us-presidents-all-time

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Yes, please put him aside. He claims $10B. Best estimates are $700M with between $400 to $600M encumbered.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          I’ve never understood why Trump’s wealth (or lack thereof) ever mattered regarding his presidency. Not to him, the American people, his supporters or his detractors.

          I suppose that Trump lying about his wealth (if that’s what happened) could have been a “red flag”.

          For the Trump supporters who thought Trump’s wealth meant something … George Soros is rich too. Does that make him right?

          Unless it can be demonstrated that a politician’s net worth was ill-gained I am not sure why it matters.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Providing your tax returns is the typical and normal way to be transparent about your finances as POTUS.

          2. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Every politician running for every federal and state office should be required to make their tax returns public.

            Why is this a voluntary matter?

            Because that would require US Congressmen and US Senators to do the same.

            None of them want that.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Wait then.

      2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Bill Clinton was worth about a million dollars in 1992. Net worth now is well over 90 million. Wonder how that happened?

        Harry Truman never owned a home, lived in his mother in law’s house. Collected a 112 dollar a month WWI veteran pension upon leaving office. He was paid a flat fee of 670,000 dollars for memoirs book deal. The 1958 Former Presidents Act awarded 25,000 a year to former presidents. Hoover also collected.

    3. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Terry McAuliffe has a net worth of $30 million. Does that make him poor enough to be honest?

      https://marketrealist.com/p/terry-mcauliffe-net-worth/

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        McAuliffe is crooked enough to use political office to gain more whether he plays by the rules or bends them he will become richer.

      2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Terry is good. Just had a fundraising cocktail hour with Mark Warner at Martha’s Vineyard. I’m sure they brought in a good haul. Did they wear a mask? Time Life Books doesn’t think so.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6058a3c995fdf166fe6d6bdecc858c9f4bb064241ac8256f68ac5889ae6866a1.jpg

  7. Steve Gillispie Avatar
    Steve Gillispie

    Warner compromised himself with numerous agencies with his participation in the Russia-gate hoax then compounded it with his role in the James Wolfe leak case — a leak he requested for which Wolfe took the fall.

    He isn’t going to do anything which would embarrass the intelligence and military because they are in a position to destroy him overnight.

    He and Burr corrupted the SIC. The deep state now owns him.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Uh yep. You and 3 others care.

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      The good news is that Biden is so mentally compromised that he lies but does so without any sophistication.

      My guess is that the military-intelligence complex will throw Biden under the bus on this. Biden will flail and America will be left wondering just how vulnerable we are with Slow Joe in the Oval Office.

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Well, we trained the ARVN for 10 years, drew down our forces, and they fought for 2 years.

    We trained the ASF for 20 years, drew down our forces, and they fought for 11 weeks.

    We had best cancel movie night at the DMZ. After 70 years of training the ROKs won’t make intermission.

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Oh boo hoo. The only people who care are the press. Move on.

    Not two days ago you lamented the possibility that the Taliban would capture a small contingency force of Marines, and now everyone wants to leave one there.

    Your worst inner fears are met; it won’t be another Mogadisu (that’s like the Alamo for you BR’ers still living the 1800s).

    Shame on Senator Warner. Senator Kennedy worked for a year to secure the release of the bodies of the last two Americans to ‘die for a mistake’ (Kerry underestimated) left in Vietnam without ever once criticizing President Ford.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_McMahon_and_Darwin_Judge

  10. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “In other words, American forces in Afghanistan were pretty much in the same situation as in South Korea.”

    And here is where I knew this was just another piece of partisan BR bs.

    1. FluxAmbassador Avatar
      FluxAmbassador

      This entire post might be the dumbest thing I’ve read in 20+ years of being on the Internet. What you point out – yes, the Taliban not wanting to piss us off after getting a sweetheart deal from the Trump administration is the exact same as South Korea – but then also credulously passing along Chinese state propaganda (the Chicoms can’t be trusted, except when they can!).

      But this is what Republican elites like Rippert (UVA), Sasse (Yale, St. John’s, Harvard), and Cotton (Harvard) do to try to make themselves seem like tough minded realists: asserting their willingness to get other people’s children killed for some undefined and undefinable goal. That this time the situation isn’t “The Best and the Brightest” or “A Bright and Shining Lie” because the military experts wouldn’t lie to THEM. Just six more months or 3,500 troops we promise! Joe Biden can just renegotiate with the Taliban after Trump gave them everything they wanted! It would work!

      No, it took Joe “No Ivy, Southern or Original Recipe” Biden to take the actual realistic and pragmatic approach and get us out of Afghanistan with all due speed. No buying into the establishment malarkey. Just finally, thankfully leaving. And it’s messy – it was always going to be – but it took 20 years of accumulated tragedy to get this messy. Laying the results solely at Biden’s feet is partisan, stupid, and dishonest.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Neocons and Chicken Hawks have their lovers.

      2. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Yet another anonymous coward. Why am I not surprised?

        Your reading comprehension is weak.

        I never claimed that the American involvement in Afghanistan was all Biden’s fault. Not once.

        I claimed that the bungled withdrawal was Biden’s fault.

        Who else ordered that hapless and chaotic withdrawal? The voices only Biden hears in his head?

        Here is the AP’s take on just how handcuffed Biden was ….

        “But Biden can go only so far in claiming the agreement boxed him in. It had an escape clause: The U.S. could have withdrawn from the accord if Afghan peace talks failed. They did, but Biden chose to stay in it, although he delayed the complete pullout from May to September.”

        Let me guess – the AP has been taken over by Trump supporters?

        The botched withdrawal is on Biden, nobody else.

        And Biden was warned …

        https://www.wsj.com/articles/confidential-state-department-cable-in-july-warned-of-afghanistans-collapse-11629406993

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Biden ordered the withdrawal. Did he order the specifics on the implementation or delegate that to the Military and State Dept to carry out – like he and other POTUS would do for any such operation.

          What should Biden have done different to assure a better outcome, actually make specific decisions?

          I don’t think ANY POTUS would have the ability to sit down and design the actual implementation plan. All the POTUS can really do is ask for options, then choose one he was convinced by others the best.

          How much of the uproar is really the normal partisan crap?

          What IS interesting is that the media on the right is not only playing the typical neocon/chickenhawk games, they are actually split on getting out Afghans and bringing them to the USA.

          wow!

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            The first governor who volunteered to take Afghan refugees in his or her state was a Republican. Now other governors from both parties are doing the same. Good.

            Right now, it looks like 7 Republican governors and 5 Democratic governors are volunteering to take Afghan refugees.

            Hogan (R-MD) and Northam (D-VA) are among the 12.

            Good for both of them.

            https://www.businessinsider.com/governors-willing-to-accept-refugees-from-afghanistan-list-2021-8

          2. StarboardLift Avatar
            StarboardLift

            Well, POTUS job description does include Commander in Chief, so we ought to check resumes for ability to perform that function.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Oh, they can reject the Commander in Chief over qualifications? 😉

        2. FluxAmbassador Avatar
          FluxAmbassador

          Ooooo, name calling – did they teach you that at the fancy boy foothills college you attended?

          And hey, I can become a lot less anonymous if you want. Since it’s a discussion about military matters, we can even make it a family affair next time my boy’s on leave. I can bring my Marine son and you can bring whichever of your kids are active duty military. The kids can talk shop while we debate policy. I’m sure you can make it to Fredericksburg.

          I never said you blamed Biden for all of Afghanistan, but pretending there was any way to get out of there that wasn’t going to be a nightmare is ignoring the 20 years of accumulated choices we’ve made over there. No one can or has articulated a better withdraw plan that would stand up to any scrutiny of the reality that our own Afghan allies were making side deals with the Taliban to either sell them their materiel outright or to stand aside when the withdraw happened that doesn’t include throwing more American troops back into the country.

          And in the real world, negotiations require both sides either having something the other want or one side being able to bring coercive force to the table. Biden isn’t handcuffed by the Trump deal in that he couldn’t go back to the table, but what does he have to give to the Taliban that the previous administration didn’t already give them? So that leaves force, which brings us back to another injection of American troops into Afghanistan.

          And from the same article you quoted the SecDef saying he couldn’t go out and get Americans was a quote from Milley that the Taliban was giving Americans free passage to get out of the country. How quickly does that safe passage collapse if we do another troop surge?

          And you can include Biden’s stutter because it’s the meanspirited thing to do and pretend that he’s trying to dodge accountability, but while you’re carrying water for the Chinese Communist Party and quoting random Germans, let’s take a look at something else Biden said:

          “I stand squarely behind my decision. After 20 years, I’ve learned the hard way that there was never a good time to withdraw U.S. forces.

          That’s why we were still there. We were clear-eyed about the risks. We planned for every contingency.

          But I always promised the American people that I will be straight with you. The truth is: This did unfold more quickly than we anticipated.”

          And of course he then authorized 6,000 troops upon request to stabilize the situation around the Kabul airport, which news reports both domestic and international confirm seems to have happened.

          The sitrep is only ever going to be as good as the honesty of the people giving intelligence and the honesty of the people interpreting it. It’s clear that our allies in country lied about their willingness to fight the Taliban and lied about where their allegiances were. Whether our own analysts in military intelligence also lied would be an interesting question for Senator Warner to ask. It wouldn’t be the first time in the last 20 years the higher ups in the military apparatus lied about the state of play in a Middle Eastern country we had or wanted to invade.

          Biden may or may not be incompetent and mentally compromised, but what he absolutely hasn’t done is buck pass.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            name calling is a fairly standard response for Conservatives in BR if they disagree with you. Surprised that DJ did not call you a libtwit… 😉

            ” Biden may or may not be incompetent and mentally compromised, but what he absolutely hasn’t done is buck pass.”

            yes. But not one “conservative” will actually admit it.

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      As Capt. Sherlock wrote on this very blog, “Afghanistan in June of this year was not at peace but it was effectively pacified. Not a single NATO soldier, airman, Marine or SPECOPS warrior had been killed in Afghanistan 18 months. The Afghan army faced little combat opposition.”

      American combatants were not dying in Afghanistan over the last 18 months.

      Biden had not basis to botch the withdrawal by ignoring his advisors and rushing out.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        There are some 28,000 US troops in South Korea and both sides of the DMZ are some of the most heavily armed areas in the world. ROK Armed Forces is one of the largest standing armed forces in the world with a reported personnel strength of 3,305,000. There is absolutely no comparison with the shit show Dems we’re left to cleanup (again) in Afghanistan.

        The May deal that Trump cut was predicated on a promise from the Taliban to not attack US forces (this after Trump forced the release of thousands of their ranks). Biden was able to maintain that commitment and extend it but to say there was no basis for withdraw now is simply false.

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Thanks Rudyard, but we’re not Brits…

    “If your officer’s dead and the sergeants look white,
    Remember it’s ruin to run from a fight:
    So take open order, lie down, and sit tight,
    And wait for supports like a soldier.
    Wait, wait, wait like a soldier . . .

    When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
    And the women come out to cut up what remains,
    Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
    An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.
    Go, go, go like a soldier,
    Go, go, go like a soldier,
    Go, go, go like a soldier,
    So-oldier of the Queen!”

    The rest is here: http://www.kiplingsociety.co.uk/poems_youngbrit.htm

    But… what you NEED to read is here:
    https://www.sigar.mil/pdf/lessonslearned/SIGAR-21-46-LL.pdf

  12. Tough questions from Senator Mark “The Android” Warner: President Biden, when did you first realize that this debacle was someone else’s fault? Was it immediately upon being awakened and told about it, or did the realization that so many people other than you had failed miserably come later in the day, perhaps after your second nap?

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      I’m willing to give Warner the benefit of the doubt on this until and unless, in the investigation, he proves me wrong. If I am right about Warner I will use the forum to congratulate him. If I am wrong I will admit my mistake on this blog.

      1. Sometimes my cynicism knows no bounds.

        I really am hoping Sen. Warner will do the honorable thing – but I am not expecting it.

    2. Publius Avatar

      First, the Fakebook and Twitter algorithms had to be modified to suppress the obvious idiocy of just leaving pell-mell. Then the DNC talking points had to be drafted. Then the medical handlers had to pump Joe with enough drugs and hypnosis to be able to try to recite for 20 minutes the lies on the TelePrompTer, then Joe shuffled off to get his “black and white” ice cream cone reward.
      I feel safe, don’t you?

    3. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      The response was merely a learned one, during the previous administration the President was a part of, it was all Bush 43’s fault.

  13. tmtfairfax Avatar
    tmtfairfax

    It strikes me that the situation is not unlike a long flight from one side of the world to another. The flight has two crews to handle the long trip. Trump is the first crew. Biden is the relief crew. When Biden takes over, he quickly discovers that Trump has gotten off course by three degrees. It becomes Biden’s job to get the plane back on course and not make any new mistakes.

    Biden took action to get the plane back on course when he canceled Trump’s May 1 day to remove the U.S. troops. At that point, he is responsible not only for flying the plane for the length of his shift but also for all actions he took to correct Trump’s error.

    For better or for worse, Biden owns Afghanistan and did ever since he modified Trump’s plan. Biden should can his top military leaders who advised him to do what he has done not unlike what FDR did to General Short and Admiral Kimmel after Pearl Harbor.

  14. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    This is Warner engaged is shameless political theater, covering his own ass, and should be dismissed as such. Putting a little distance between himself and Sleepy Joe, which is interesting. Otherwise just CYA.

    I wouldn’t trust this crowd to dissect the outcome of an NFL game, so not wasting much time on your geopolitical insights….Read a book called “Imperial Hubris” more than a decade ago and that anonymous author pegged the inevitable outcome.

  15. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    Time will tell whether Congress does an honest job of a post mortem on a clear unmitigated disaster. The president and his senior advisors had to know that the Afghan army was not reliable and would not fight for its country. The decision to leave Afghanistan after 20 was probably long overdue but it was handled so poorly that a lot of heads should roll. We should have started months ago sending Americans home and knowing the names of Afghans who helped us and wanted to leave. When the Taliban started to easily over run provinces we could have done a lot diplomatically and militarily to slow their progress and have an orderly withdrawal on our terms.
    Now China and Russia will be further emboldened and our allies will increase their doubts about our reliability and military capability.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      If POTUS knew the Afghan were not going to be reliable then not sure what Plan B would have been.

      There is no doubt, we were flat-footed. We had no real planning for where to fly ALL the evacuees to… they quickly ran out of space and had no ready reserves or alternative sites… they had to stand them up in a hurry.

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