A SECOND TEST FOR INSANITY, SMOKING OUT HUMPTY DUMPTY

Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result – for example, building more roadways and expecting traffic congestion to go away – is often cited as a threshold test for insanity.

There is a second test that is useful to apply in the Blogosphere. This test is:

Attempting to describe, discuss or arrive at a well-considered public judgement on complex topics in cases where:

1. Key words / phrases are known to have different meanings to different people, or

2. A person or group of persons uses the same word / phrase to describe different places, actions or conditions

According to Lewis Carroll, Humpty Dumpty, when challenged on the confusing use of Vocabulary stated: “That word means exactly what I want it to mean, nothing more, nothing less.” In fact, Alice’s Wonderland is the only place such use of Vocabulary is appropriate.

Failure of the Vocabulary test of mental capacity is especially prevalent in discussion of human settlement patterns. Why is this failure to understand the need for a functional Vocabulary so prevalent in the realm of human settlement patterns?

First, and most obvious, the offending participants do not want to “understand.” Often this is because they fear an understanding will require abandonment of ideas and theories with which they have organized their lives.

The unfounded actions were often thought to have been taken in pursuit of the actors best interest. No one likes to find out that they have been acting in ways which turns out to harm their long-term self-interest and those of their Household.

Adherents of The Big Yard Myth and The Private Vehicle Mobility Myth are often in this category. Believers defend their pet Myths with religious tenacity.

Second, most of the commentators deem themselves to be experts “because they live there.” They apply their observations and experience in the context of the Myths they so want to believe.

Third, there are those who do not want to understand because they profit (or hope to profit) directly or indirectly from continuing confusion, debate and failure to reach a consensus on the most intelligent course of action for the majority.

This class of Humpty Dumpty adherents often know their statements are at best uninformed opinion and at worst deceptive.

Finally there are those who are offended that someone – anyone – would suggest they need to change their Vocabulary in the consideration of topics that they believe they understand as well as anyone.

Doctrinaire defense of “simple” language with respect to human settlement pattern discussion is a sure-fire way to identify Humpty Dumpties.

A great Holiday pastime is to see how many Humpty Dumpties you can identify at the gatherings you attend.

Happy Holidays.

EMR


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15 responses to “A SECOND TEST FOR INSANITY, SMOKING OUT HUMPTY DUMPTY”

  1. Anonymous Avatar

    EMR –
    Gotta love ya, I’d expect a posting like this from you. Especially since you are JUST as guilty on the other side of the fence – “Smart Growth” is anything BUT smart growth. We could discuss it, but you would retreat into your ‘humpty-dumpty’ language and a true discussion would never surface. The posting is nice, but in so many ways I feel it rightly describes YOU!!!!

    Merry Christmas all the same.

  2. Anonymous Avatar

    7:58 You proved his point.

    EMR, best post in while.

  3. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    If you are a person or a group that believes you have figured out why we have dysfunctional settlement patterns AND you have recommendations about how to move towards better settlement patterns,..

    you won’t win people over by insisting that the same “uneducated”…. “learn” your vocabulary and lingo.

    The best idea in the world.. left to internal discussion about the academic “enlightened” .. does not get that idea exposed and accepted/adopted/implemented.

    I’d liken this to LID.. low impact development of which the basic principles and ideas were developed some time ago but the real battle was to get it in front of the public..and developers.. to explain and defend it AND to incorporate feedback (such as how to make it less expensive).

    Some folks who develop “good” ideas really have no interest in what I call the “selling” part. They’ll leave that to others.

    For them.. developing and tending to the “idea” is their primary interest.

    but if you are a person that does ideas AND get’s frustrated when they are not accepted/adopted then you have to decide if you want to throw rocks at the “uneducated” or get in the game of spreading the word.

    I have this frustration with the settlement pattern dialog AND the Chesapeake Bay folks who do an enormous amount of work on behalf of cleaning up the Bay but then, in my view, they have not succeeded in engendering a public understanding of what we need to do – with the increases in tax money.

    so that’s my take on this.

    If you got a good idea.. and you’re content with the idea itself whether or not it get’s recognized by the great unwashed.. then great…

    but if you are frustrated with the public not knowing and understanding that good idea – then you have to get more into the “education” game.

    A teacher does not say: “you cannot learn until you know how to use the vocabulary”. Instead, they say.. “here is how to use the vocabulary to learn….”

    By the way.. this concept came from my wife the teacher who said to me in polite terms: “you don’t have an idea if you can’t get the public to understand it”.

    Brutal by true.

  4. Jim Bacon Avatar

    Both sides of this debate have legitimate points. On the one hand, EMR is quite right: Many words in the land use/transportation debate are used imprecisely and mean many things to many people, the result of which is that many people spend a lot of time talking past each other. He is also right that it would be helpful to develop a vocabulary with precise meanings that allow a discussion to proceed without a lot of semantic entanglements.

    Those who mock EMR’s efforts to develop an agreed-upon vocabulary have a valid point, too: If someone hasn’t taken the trouble to read EMR’s explanations — and the vast majority of blog readers have not, and cannot be reasonably expected to — they will find much of EMR’s writing to be incomprehensible.

    Instead of mocking EMR’s effort to advance the discussion, I think it would be more fruitful for people to either (1) ask him what he means (or refer to the blog link to the “Glossary”), (2) debate the specific meaning he assigns to particular words, or (3) simply ignore him.

    I find EMR’s effort to be worthwhile, although I must admit not being the best student. I have endeavored to incorporate some of his words into my vocabulary and to avoid the use of “core confusing words” when I can. Thus, I avoid the use of the word “local,” modify my use of the word “sprawl” by describing what I mean by it — scattered, disconnected, low-density development patterns — avoid the use of the word “city” except when referring to a specific political jurisdiction, etc. My hope is that the more people begin using these words and phrases in the same way, we can speak more clearly to one another and less time speaking past one another.

  5. Anonymous Avatar

    But why must be all be Risse’s “students?” Most of us are bright, successful adults and can handle complex and abstract thinking. Dealing with Risse, however, is like having a clergyman insisting that you use his vocabulary to study theology. I have read his “Glossary” and find it impenetrable.

    So, the bottom line is: Why should we all spend so much time deciphering Risse-speak when we could be adding to an intelligent discussion about land use planning and other isues? What gives Risse the idea that he is the gatekeeper here? And who says he gets to dominate the discussion?

    One reason: We allow him to do so. I say from now on that we either force Risse to speak thecommonly-accepted English we use or we ignore him entirely.

  6. Jim Bacon Avatar

    Anonymous 9:56, you are entitled to do as you please, including on this blog. If you choose not to be EMR’s “student,” that’s your prerogative. If you choose not to adopt his vocabulary, that’s your prerogative, too.

    I personally believe that anyone interested in building prosperous, livable and sustainable communities has a lot to learn by making an effort to understand what EMR has to say. He has been thinking about many of the issues discussed on this blog longer, more intently and more comprehensively than almost anyone anywhere. He has opened up perspectives on the issues that I haven’t seen anyone, anywhere, write about.

    That doesn’t necessarily make him “right” and anyone else “wrong.” Indeed, while I agree with EMR about a broad range of issues, I don’t agree with him about everything. But I have learned a lot from him, and I believe he has a lot to contribute to the ongoing debate. I would heartily urge readers with an open mind to refer to the Glossary (which we link to in the right-hand column of this blog) when EMR uses phrases you don’t understand.

    As for me, I’ll do my best to straddle the fence between using words precisely and using them in a way that the broadest possible audience will comprehend.

  7. Anonymous Avatar

    Jim –
    EMR’s post is as 7:58 said, it’s going back to “… what the meaning of ‘is’ is…”. EMR is allowed to define the words, then EMR is allowed to define the discussion. I acknowledge that he has probably thought about this stuff longer than I have but my conclusions are about 180 degrees opposite his. I see his ideas as socialistic at best and if I wanted to live in a socialistic country I’d move to one; this country allows you the chance to succeed and improve – an option that is much more difficult if not impossible in the vast majority of socialistic countries.

    Yes, there is a glossary of EMR’s definitions, but they are just that – EMR’s definitions, many of us would disagree with even his definitions. Again, if we agree to use his definitions, then we’ve agreed to allow him to frame the discussion in the way that he wants; which would be in a favorable light to him.

    I guess the question is – Who, is the Humpty Dumpty here?

  8. E M Risse Avatar

    Just a few thoughts:

    Jim Bacon: Thank you for the support.

    One option you left out is for those who disagree with our Vocabulary to come up with their own based on facts, not wishes.

    S/p got into the Vocabulary business because in 30 years of work in actually building human settlements we found much confusion was rooted in badly used words and phrases.

    We review this issue at some length in “The Shape of the Future” (Chapter 3)and summarize some of the efforts by others before 1980 (Chapter 15).

    Most of the Anon comments defend Humpty Dumpty but 10:04 hits the nail square on. How often have you seen EMR champion “Smart Growth?”

    Try to beat him with a relevent example, not a straw bat.

    One note for Larry Gross:

    You said:

    “I’d liken this to LID.. low impact development of which the basic principles and ideas were developed some time ago but the real battle was to get it in front of the public..and developers.. to explain and defend it AND to incorporate feedback (such as how to make it less expensive).”

    Not quite because LID, like Smart Growth, Smarter Growth and New Urbanism relies on many misused words and phrases.

    In addition LID needs to be examined in a broader context because some of the favored techniques result in dispersion and scatteration of intensive (urban) land uses.

    One only recognizes that when the organic components of human settlement pattern are understood.

    That takes a new Vocabulary, ours or someone elses, but using Humpty Dumpty words does not do the job.

    Now back to work.

    Have a great Holiday all.

    EMR

  9. Anonymous Avatar

    Here’s an idea. From now on, the official language of Bacon’s Rebellion will be Serbo-Croatian.

  10. Anonymous Avatar

    Give it up, there is no way out but up the ladder of understanding.

    In fact most of the words and phrases that make human settlement pattern understandable are the same in English, French, German, Italian, Spanish and Serbo-Croatian.

  11. Danny L. Newton Avatar
    Danny L. Newton

    The reason we experience congestion is that the transportation system fails to keep pace with the demand both in terms of population and in terms of vehicle miles traveled demand. Every vehicle needs a place to be on the road plus and operational space in front of it. It is that simple. Settlement patterns can address the vehicle miles driven problem but if the rate of construction on new lanes is below the birth rate, eventually, the average distance between vehicles is going to shrink along with the room to manuver.

    Not every road needs to be a four lane or ten lane road but the system must develop a healthy ratio of large arteries to smaller capillaries. The 40 year cycle of investment in roads does not contain adequate provision for future lane growth. Planning for future lane growth would mean accumulating breathtaking cash reserves in intrest bearing accounts. For some reason, this is OK to do in a toll road scenario but not when the government does it. That pile of cash is just too much temptation for diversion to non transportation or low utility transportation projects.
    There is mal distributiuon of resources caused by economic development motivations instead of transportation optimization considerations. We lack an objective method of deterimining priorities and the guts to follow such a system. South Carolina had one at one time but they dove into the money to recover from Hurricane Hugo and has been off track ever since. Once they got over Hugo they permenately dedicated a disasterous fraction of resources to economic development projects. We need to spend more but the amount is manageable. It depends upon how much waste one is willing to squeeze out of the system.

  12. Anonymous Avatar

    “you won’t win people over by insisting that the same “uneducated”…. “learn” your vocabulary and lingo.”

    Aside from insulting the people you think need to be educated, you fail to realize they are smart enough to recognize your use of half truths and illogical segue.

    Unfortunately, there are enough people who take this nonsense at face value, that he cannot be ignored: a lie told enough times will eventually be believed. “Many of us would disagree with even his definitions. Again, if we agree to use his definitions, then we’ve agreed to allow him to frame the discussion in the way that he wants; which would be in a favorable light to him.”
    EMR needs a better PR man. Danny Newton made more sense in three paragraphs than EMR has in three years.

  13. E M Risse Avatar

    This post will soon pass into the Archive so it is time for a wrap-up.

    That well known and highly respected 12:42 Anon had this to say:

    “Aside from insulting the people you think need to be educated, you fail to realize they are smart enough to recognize your use of half truths and illogical segue.”

    Lets call a spade a spade. As Jim Bacon suggested, why not try to point out specific errors instead of attempting to discredit every statement.

    As that ad for Morgan Stanley suggests, being smart is not enough. You have to have a real-world based Conceptual Framework and use a Robust and consistent Vocabulary.

    Anon 12:42 also said: “Unfortunately, there are enough people who take this nonsense at face value,”

    That is true, even without any multiple postings by illogical Anon flamers, the private messages of support far outnumber the Anon rock throwing. This, as we will point out in the wrap-up of “HEY LARRY,” calls into question the value of Anon blogs.

    Anon 12:42 quoted an equally well known and highly respected Anon: “Many of us would disagree with even his definitions. Again, if we agree to use his definitions, then we’ve agreed to allow him to frame the discussion in the way that he wants; which would be in a favorable light to him.”

    So let us know in what way we mislead. Try the Vocabulary we use in the discussion of METRO to Greater Tysons Corner in Bacon’s Rebellion due out tomorrow.

    Anon 12:42 also said: “EMR needs a better PR man.”

    No, it is politicians who need PR persons, we get on quite well with just science and facts.

    And finally Anon 12:42 said: “Danny Newton made more sense in three paragraphs than EMR has in three years.”

    But for the supporting messages, this sort of attack might cause one to hang up their keyboard. That is probably what Anon 12:42 hopes he / she might achieve, and that is what those who pay him / her hope too.

    Actually Danny L. Newton stated with splendid clarity a major supporting premiss of the Private Vehicle Mobility Myth. At least he used a name, perhaps his own name.

    From the Vocabulary he used, Danny may be a transportation professional who works for a DOT or a consultant to a DOT and spreads the Private Vehicle Mobility Myth for a living. We will be dealing with this in “The Problem with Cars,” forthcoming.

    (Follow-up a brief Google search turns up the fact that a “Danny L. Newton” – may not be the same one – has posted to a Federal Highway Admin site and to blog of a newspaper in Tenn on right-of-way and condemnation issues.)

    Have a great New Year!

    EMR

  14. E M Risse Avatar

    OK, OK!

    It is Morgan Franklin, not Morgan Stanley.

    Hard to beleive so many follow the ad scene so carefully.

    Thank you all for the correction.

    EMR

  15. Anonymous Avatar

    I don’t get paid by anyone, Ed.

    I just have an aversion to half-truths.

    RH

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