Scott Surovell’s End Run Around Jason Miyares

Sen. Scott Surovell

by James A. Bacon

The battle for control of higher-ed institutions in Virginia is boiling over into the state legislature. Senator Scott Surovell, D-Mount Vernon, has submitted a bill, SB 506, that would allow Virginia’s public universities to hire their own legal counsel in place of lawyers answering to the Attorney General.

The bill would give governing boards of every institution authority over the hiring of “outside legal counsel, the oversight and management of any legal counsel, and the appointment of a general counsel to serve as the chief legal officer of the institution.”

Attorney General Jason Miyares

Public universities are classified as state agencies. Like other state agencies, their legal interests are represented by counsel that reports to the Office of Attorney General.

The underlying political conflict is who controls Virginia’s colleges and universities. The issue surfaced last year when former Bowdoin University President Clayton Rose addressed the University of Virginia’s Board of Visitors and suggested that board members owe their primary loyalty to the institution, not their personal agendas. He received pushback from two board members appointed by Governor Glenn Youngkin who argued that the duty of board members is to represent the interests of the Commonwealth of Virginia, not the institution itself.

Youngkin asked Attorney General Jason Miyares to address the question. Miyares issued a finding that, indeed, the primary duty of board members is to the Commonwealth. This led to allegations that the finding could pave the way for Youngkin to get rid of board members he doesn’t like.

“This effort to define the boards as having to be ‘loyal to the commonwealth’ is all about trying to position the way that the governor’s authority is structured,” said Claire Guthrie Gastañaga, a UVA law school grad, chief deputy attorney general, and former president of the Virginia chapter of the ACLU. “This is for getting rid of people.”

There is zero evidence to support Gastañaga’s charge. Youngkin has not tried to evict any board member at the University of Virginia or, to my knowledge, at any other institution. Rather, he has waited for board positions to expire before putting his own selections into place. Meanwhile, adopting a non-confrontational approach, he has chosen to advance his top goals of protecting free speech and promoting viewpoint diversity by enlisting the cooperation of university presidents and administrators. At a higher-ed summit late last year, presidents were asked to prepare their own institution-specific plans for putting the principles into action. 

In truth, the bill will have little impact on the Governor’s authority. But it will directly impact the Attorney General’s authority. In early 2022, Miyares ousted UVA’s chief counsel Timothy Heaphy, who had been appointed at the urging of President Jim Ryan, over disagreements the AG’s office had with unspecified legal decisions. Miyares was, of course, accused of playing politics, although his accusers never articulated a credible theory of what political motive he might have had. To replace Heaphy, he appointed Cliff Iler, largely on the basis of his knowledge of healthcare law relevant to UVA’s health system. Iler, who is moderately conservative in his personal politics, has proven to be technocratic in his approach to the office.

The ulterior motive behind the legislation, I would suggest, is to help university presidents gain control over the offices of legal counsel as UVA and other institutions grapple with the implications of the U.S. Supreme Court ruling over the role of race in admissions. Before the ruling, UVA and other public universities unabashedly gave preferential treatment to so-called “marginalized” groups — Hispanics and Blacks specifically — in undergraduate admissions, graduate school recruitment, and the hiring and promotion of faculty members. Now they must craft mechanisms to achieve the same goals without running afoul of the ruling. Legal counsels can either help them or thwart them in this effort. At present, every legal counsel reports to Miyares, a Republican who opposes racial preferences. 

The stakes will be higher come July 1, 2024, when Youngkin makes his next round of Board of Visitors appointments. At long last, his appointees will constitute a majority of every board and have the latitude to compel left-leaning presidents to modify policies on racial preferences and Diversity, Equity & Inclusion. University counsels could be pivotal players in clashes to come.

How SB 506 would work out in practice is not clear, though. The bill would confer the hiring authority upon the “governing board” of each institution. Boards, not university presidents, would call the shots on whom to hire. Would Youngkin appointees, who will dominate boards as of July 1, agree to replace Miyares-appointed university counsels with outside counsel? That’s an open question. If board members are passive and compliant, as is typically the case, university presidents might well get their way and hire whom they want.

According to the Times-Dispatch, Surovell said he was responding to board members who called him to express confusion. “(They) need to be able to hire counsel that will give them straight legal advice that’s not affected by political considerations.”

Are we to believe that firing university counsel for providing “political” advice is not itself being “political”? Are we to believe that the bill is not designed to allow universities to hire private counsel that will tell the presidents what they want to hear? Let’s just be honest, everyone is maneuvering for political advantage.

And that includes Surovell, a University of Virginia law school grad, Democrat, and savvy politician who worked his way up to the position of Senate Majority Leader. His daughter Eva was the editor of The Cavalier Daily and a lead author of attacks on Bert Ellis. Smearing the Youngkin nominee as a racist and homophobe largely on the basis of her articles, Democrats came within a hair’s width of blocking his appointment to the UVA Board. Surovell is highly attuned to the internal politics of UVA, and it’s not a stretch to suggest that he wrote SB  506 with UVA very much in mind.

Full disclosure: Bert Ellis was president of The Jefferson Council before resigning to serve on the UVA Board of Visitors.

James A. Bacon is executive director of the Jefferson Council. This column is published with permission from The Jefferson Council blog.


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63 responses to “Scott Surovell’s End Run Around Jason Miyares”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar

    The function of the AG lawyer is targeted to only issues that involve the state, not the policies of the University.

    Who would want the AG, GOP or Dem to be able to influence the university policies that are independent of the legal interests of the state?

    All this is, is an attempt for the AG to interfere with policies he personally or carry water for other individuals or groups that want to intervene in issues that are not defined state interests.

    Totally a political thing IMO. And fruitless. UVA can ignore the
    AG unless the AG is dealing specifically with State Code.

    1. At a public institute of higher learning, what, specifically, constitutes “university policies that are independent of the legal interests of the state”?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        policies that the State has not created code and law for. Backdoor way for the GOV and AG to involve themselves in issues that the state code/law does not address.

        1. policies that the State has not created code and law for.

          Such as…?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            anything not found in code and law… do you think everything at UVA is addressed by code and law? 😉

          2. No, but since you seem to know so much about it, I thought maybe you could provide an actual example or two.

            Of course, notwithstanding Code Sections or empowering legislation, any policy adopted by a university which may result in legal obligations or legal liabilities for the Commonwealth falls under the purview of elected officials. I expect them to be involved as they deem fit.

          3. No, but since you seem to know so much about it, I thought maybe you could provide an actual example or two.

            Of course, notwithstanding Code Sections or empowering legislation, any policy adopted by a university which may result in legal obligations or legal liabilities for the Commonwealth falls under the purview of elected officials. I expect them to be involved as they deem fit.

          4. No, but since you seem to know so much about it, I thought maybe you could provide an actual example or two.

            Of course, notwithstanding Code Sections or empowering legislation, any policy adopted by a university which may result in legal obligations or legal liabilities for the Commonwealth falls under the purview of elected officials. I expect them to be involved as they deem fit.

          5. No, but since you seem to know so much about it, I thought maybe you could provide an actual example or two.

            Of course, notwithstanding Code Sections or empowering legislation, any policy adopted by a university which may result in legal obligations or legal liabilities for the Commonwealth falls under the purview of elected officials. I expect them to be involved as they deem fit.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            I expect them to justify what they are doing and why per code and law and nothng less or else we
            might think they’re out over their skis like we’ve seen GOP AGs in Virginia before.

          7. DJRippert Avatar

            UVa = VDOT.

            Enabling legislation is required for every action UVa or VDOT takes.

            Sometimes the enabling legislation confers authority to the management of the state-owned entity.

            For example, legislation requires that UVa accept 65% in-state applicants. However, the individual applicants accepted are not voted on by the General Assembly or approved by the Governor.

    2. DJRippert Avatar

      The state owns the public universities just as surely as it owns VDOT.

      Everything UVa does, every action it takes is a state interest.

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    You can never have too many attorneys. Two is the minimum number; each to keep the other honest. Always best to have a third whose existence is not known to the other two.

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “Stock market today: S&P 500 hits record high after jobs report, tech earnings thrill investors”

    Is this how it happens during recessions? Or, just Biden recessions?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      You can’t believe the mainstream media, they lie!

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        Well, they do.
        Unlike you and Nancy, who apparently lap up all the Dem propaganda to regurgitate it like the good little Leftist parrots you are, the “lived experience” of “the people” disagrees with what the “smart” people say.
        Why would that be?
        Well, lying doesn’t help. Nor does the BLS quietly revising its monthly good job news down by 493,000 in subsequent months.
        And then there is this little tidbit from right wing CNBC – https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/01/january-hiring-was-the-lowest-for-the-month-on-record-as-layoffs-surged.html

        But you guys keep being so smart, knowing how people should feel…for the Party!

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          ” Pentagon Denies Fox News Conspiracy Theory That Taylor Swift Is a Political ‘Asset’”

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            They just haven’t activated her yet.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          ” Pentagon Denies Fox News Conspiracy Theory That Taylor Swift Is a Political ‘Asset’”

        3. LarrytheG Avatar

          Yep, you bet, FOX News is the go to for truth and honestly, no question.

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            So you watch Fox News? I don’t. And it is marginally better than the rest.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The facts that you don’t watch it, and still consider it marginally better than the rest, says it all.

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Do you watch it? How do you know it is horrible?
            “The facts that you don’t watch it, and still consider it marginally better than the rest, says it all.” right back atcha sport

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            My sources haven’t been sued for defamation— twice — once to the $800M tune.

          5. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            It’s not my source. It seems to be the network of the Washington Generals, and should have gone to trial, where it would have won…oh, wait…that’s right…it’s NYC, which doesn’t have a real justice system anymore…
            One day, you crazed maniacs may come to regret the lawfare, defund the police, gender mutilation, baby-killing, censorship, medical tyranny… You project like an IMax and are too prideful to admit your policies don’t work, and only all too happy to act like the authoritarians you howl that Trump will be, when he wasn’t, while his own government did every trick in the book to undermine him.
            There is a thing called truth. People who aren’t afraid of truth don’t need to censor, use lawfare, jail people – 6 years for singing at a baby-killing clinic in Nashville, while “mostly peaceful” BLM/Antifa thugs burn and loot…Yeah, you guys are the good guys…

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            FOX news promotes conspiracy theories on Covid and Climate… sounds like a match to me.

          7. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            And MSDNC promotes conspiracy theories…oh, wait…total lies, planted by Clinton and the DNC and then turned into a Special Counsel by FBI shenanigans as RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA and wins Pulitzer prizes for it. How come “conspiracy theories” end up being found true?
            Like the Covid virus came from a lab leak?
            I am sure you don’t know, because you don’t know anything you don’t want to know because you are programmed to regurgitate the drivel you are fed, that the hockey stick defamation trial is going on right now in DC. Poor Mark Steyn has had to defend himself from lawfare, funded by climate zealots (Mann has paid nothing), and is putting up the evidence that the hockey stick was bad science. A statistics professor from Penn (where Mann is now, and another school that hates Jews) has testified that Mann’s data was faulty and manipulated. So while the Cuccinelli thing is claimed as a victory for “academic freedom,” maybe it was a victory for a false religion… (It is a false religion – the models can’t replicate the 10 years of data we have since the models were created…hmmm…) – but you will never know that because you do not have any true intellectual curiosity. You are afraid to look because your religion will be falsified. There is all sorts of data that indicates many things need to be debated, but “the smart people” don’t want a debate because they know they don’t have the facts, so they resort to “conspiracy theory” and censorship, and their mindless drones repeat it ad nauseam…

          8. LarrytheG Avatar

            You gotta admit Walter, by far, the right deals in conspiracy theories. I won’t say none on the left, there
            are some but the nonsense coming from the right is just wild.

            “faulty data” is not a conspiracy theory. In fact, it’s normal in science.. that’s why we have peer reviews and consensus. No individuals spouting nonsense while everyone else keeps quiet. Many scientists make mistakes but having them “investigated” by folks like Cucinelli is just whacko imo… but it seems to be popular with folks on the right.
            Even “smart people” can be persuaded to believe lies and such but that’s different from promoting them.

          9. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Larry – instead of your usual blather and refusal to acknowledge reality, read this little article – a former believer saying he doesn’t believe the climate change lie any more, and why.
            It’s not a conspiracy theory. It is valid criticism. Lefties try to shut off debate claiming conspiracy theory because they can’t win a fair argument, and that might end the grift.
            https://tomknighton.substack.com/p/climate-change-is-easy-to-prove-if

          10. LarrytheG Avatar

            You guys love anecdotal stuff. I’m sure for every believer that converted, one can also find a non-believer that coverted. What does that prove? It proves that some folks change their minds but not the vast majority. Yes.. when someone says that around the world, 90+% of scientists are collaborating with each other to foist a lie about climate on the rest of the world, yep that’s the mother of all conspiracy theories imo. It’s actually worse than disbelieving the science… it’s accusing scientists of working together to mislead the world. Truly “out there” in my view.

          11. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            No, Larry – that was one story. There are thousands. The trial you are ignoring. The fact that the models can’t replicate what has happened… The recent showing of heat bias where the measuring stations are (90%) of them and then on top of that, manipulation to make things colder back then…and warmer now!
            I actually do what used to be known as the scientific method and don’t just drink from the curated propaganda.
            Did you read the article, or are you doing the “anecdotal” thing to deny actual learning?
            Next will be “correlation is not causation.”
            Did you know the UK’s own data is showing a 22% increase in excess deaths among 1 to 14 year olds? What oh what could be the cause? I have a pretty good idea. Keep ignoring.

          12. LarrytheG Avatar

            Walter, they use models for how the world works now whether it’s a ballistic missile or your car. When the vast majority of models generally agree , that’s important. It’s like hurricane models. None will predict the exact path or destination but when most of them agree in general , it’s dumb to ignore them. And it’s even worse to accuse the people who are doing the models of a massive conspiracy where they are all working together to foist lies on the public. Just wacko stuff!

            Finally, what-a-bout-ism. Yeah… strange things going on… gotta be a connection to my favorite conspiracy theory.

            really?

            geeze.

          13. When was the last time you read an IPCC report? Are you aware of the use of the Rahmstorf “semiempirical method”applied to climate change/sea level prediction? Or that “Some Pitfalls of the Semiempirical Method Used to Project Sea Level” https://journals.ametsoc.org/view/journals/clim/28/9/jcli-d-14-00696.1.xml said,”To summarize, some of the presently used variants of the semiempirical method rely on dynamics that fit the past but may not be adequate for the future, whereas the others rest on the dynamics that may be expected to prevail in the future but do not realistically reproduce the past. In the former cases the controlling parameters may be insufficient, and in the latter cases they may be wrong….”

          14. LarrytheG Avatar

            Has the consensus on climate change changed and the majority of science how agrees with the skeptics ? I haven’t seen the news yet in the papers or did I miss it? Have all the countries reversed course on climate based on this “new” thing or is this the type of further calibration as science continues to add to it’s body of knowledge. Without a doubt, we don’t know with 100% certitude what will happen and when but not unlike a weather model or a hurricane model or othr scientific models and the “wrong” may be that they underestimated rather than overestimated. The point here is that one cannot and should not latch onto individual studies or views looking for “proof” but rather rely on the larger body of science of many others also at work on the issue. The thing is, for many things in our life , inlelligent folks proceed on a safe but sorry basis. If the doctor says smoking might cause cancer, most folks don’t respond that they’ve seen studies that cast doubt or even that they knew someone that smoked all their lives and did not get cancer. DO we expect a “study” that will reject the prior science that smoking can cause cancer or that the science with regard to climate change was all wrong? Informed people consider ALL of the science and consensus. It is no surprise at all that further studies will be done on sea level just as we have continuing studies on how El Nino and other weather and climate works.

          15. LarrytheG Avatar

            No longer and for a long time. I used to watch it for “balance” trying to see both sides perspective but
            FOX and most of the right wing media these days does not know the difference between truth and
            reality IMO. Promoting conspiracy theories is a feature of a lot of right wing media as they bleat
            about “bias” on the left media. When FOX admitted they LIED about the election machines and
            paid millions.. all the crap about mainstream media went belly up. It’s not like FOX learned their
            lesson. Nope.. they continue but know how far to go – as if that was a proper thing to do either.

          16. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Larry Kudlow admits he was wrong… again.

  4. DJRippert Avatar

    This is an end run. As has been amply demonstrated on this board, the Boards of Visitors are groups of toothless dilettantes who are appointed based on the depth of their political checkbooks rather than the breadth of their competence. The probability that the most qualified people for appointment to the BoVs also almost always happen to be among the biggest political donors is infinitesimally small. A classic case of “pay to play.”

    University managements practice mushroom management with the BoVs – keep them in the dark and feed them manure.

    This is true no matter which political party is in power. When UVa’s BoV made the correct decision to fire Teresa Sullivan, Bob McDonnell disgracefully intervened to keep Sullivan in post.

    Where, in the real world, is a real board unable to fire the CEO for incompetence?

    Any empowerment of the Board of Visitors is, de facto, an empowerment of the university administrators.

    Surovell’s bill will simply reduce the effective oversight of Virginia’s public colleges and universities.

    Which is exactly his goal.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      The AG already has the right to investigate if he thinks the law or interests of the State have been affected.

      Just as he did with Loudoun.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Yeah, don’t see how it is an “end run”. Just because the AG has the right to investigate/represent the state universities does not mean he has to be the only attorney representing them.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Gotta have someone “in-house” to make sure?

          Yes, all we need is more Cucinelli types “investigating” “nefarious” goings on in Higher Ed. geeze.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Different states pick the BoVs at their state colleges and universities differently. It would figure that Virginia would take a monarchical/dictatorial approach. It also figures the GOP would prefer this.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      and nothing has changed on that… pro forma

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        You’d think these guys would be all in for a BoV makeup wherein various members are nominated by groups having immediate interest, e.g., the alumni, the students, faculty, football team, etc.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          probably if Miyares could choose from the pool..

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    If Gilda were here today…

    What is wrong with all these involuntary celebrates? What is it about surprise parties that makes these men so upset and why do they direct their anger at women?

    What? Celibate?

    Never mind.

  7. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Since our illustrious leaders are passing a law to ban preferences for legacy admissions (how will this be enforced? Will this allow the data transparency UVA denies to outsiders that shows the racial discrimination? Just asking questions…), why not pass a law banning preferential admissions for political spawn?
    Kind of amazing how many of kids of such non-entities blowhards get into Yale and Harvard, etc…
    Just like I’ll believe “climate change” MIGHT be real, when the elites fly coach and downsize their homes and go all alternative energy, I’ll believe this virtue signal when they apply it to themselves.

    UVA cooperated with me outside of FOIA to provide full data for the Class of 2026. The data showed racial numbers beyond normal statistical deviation, particularly when you overlaid SAT scores. But for legacies, of all racial categories, the legacies were squarely within the SAT mean for that racial category. In other words, it did not appear that there was a real legacy preference.

    For some reason, hard to imagine, when the Class of 2027 admissions was announced, UVA Admissions refused to cooperate and referred everything to FOIA, which denied all info requests…

    Transparency baby! I’ll enforce this legacy preference ban, but you have to give me the data! All of it!

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Why not ban sports scholarships if they don’t qualify academically? Especially now that
      players can “earn” money?

      I think for legacy admissions, the AG should appoint a special commission that oversees all admissions and ferrets out those trying to sneak in that are not qualified…right?

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        All for it Larry.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          jesuz H. keeeerisst… we agree on something? 😉

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            All for merit based admissions. Always have been. When did you change?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            I agree that no one should get a chance at getting in if they don’t meet minimum/defined
            standards. But what are those standards and what are the specifics for meritocracy when
            selecting from the “pool”?

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          so the next thing…. set minimum acceptance standards and once you get there, you’re
          in a “pool” and the scheme to pick from the pool is…. pure meritocracy no matter what or ???

  8. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    And while we are at it, why not a bill to require SATs?
    The legacy bill is pure virtue signaling with respect to UVA, based on the limited data UVA shared before hiding data which proved the racial discrimination.
    Legacies had the highest offer rate for Class of 2026. However, when legacies were sorted by racial classification and the legacy SATs were compared within the legacy racial grouping, the legacies were squarely in the mean SAT of their racial groupings. In other words, no preference…at least at UVA.
    But, if the GA were a serious place instead of (sorry, DJ Rippert claims Clown Show, but something like that is what I mean to convey), it would require SATs as a meaningful way to actually comply with the law and have merit-based admissions.

    The Surovell bill is intended to make the universities unfixable by allowing an insular self-selecting bunch of liberals select their own successors. It is what happens to all nonprofit boards over time…

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      DO we REALLY want the GA setting academic admission standards? Where would it stop?

      The Surovell bill imo is to rein in the AG from emulating Cucinelli and company.

      Va is not Texas or Florida and never will be.

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        You’re all for getting rid of the legacy thing. Because “merit,” right?
        So, why not SATs? Something real, instead of something virtue-signaling.

        And as usual, you don’t know what you are talking about. The Surovell bill is about protecting woke schools from being corrected back to education. His daughter was part of the hit on Bert Ellis – with horribly distorted, unfair articles – as an editor of the Cavalier Daily, and in coordination with the Dem Party of Va. Only a fool would think a partisan hack like Scott Surovell is acting from pure motives…IMO (Larry’s favorite way to hide his silly beliefs!)

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Do you think you know more than others, parents who send their kids to UVA? What makes you or Bert or Miyares better?
          What I ask is what merit is. Is it pure SAT? If SAT got you qualified, got you into the pool of qualified, then what would be used to select from the pool? Pure SAT highest score down to where all slots are filled? I don’t think Miyares should be “investigating” higher ed in the first place and any law to stop him would be a good law IMO. You guys are in the
          minority and yet your ambition knows no bounds. What you want will never happen because the vast majority of
          people and voters totally reject it. You have to want to represent what most voters will support. You can’t force them to accept what you want. It’s exactly what the Founding Fathers intended.

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Yes, I do know more than others.
            The SAT is the single best indicator of ability that can be measured. It is being abandoned because it proves the illegal racial discrimination. Stay ignorant. And keep projecting like an IMax.
            Did Trump do lawfare against his political rivals? Weaponize the federal agencies? Allow 8 million illegals in? Do an executive order to make the agencies participate in helping to steal the elections? Shut down drilling? Take bribes from China? Spy on Catholics? Call PTA parents terrorists? You guys control the media and pump out propaganda, which you suck like a fire hose, and can’t stand the least bit of push back. And you aren’t the majority, or else you wouldn’t have to censor and do lawfare and fight to preserve election cheating. You’re just terrified that people are figuring it out. IMO IMO IMO (says Larry, with no actual knowledge)

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Is SAT measuring all things academic? For instance, is academic the primary thing to measure for someone going into Law ? Trump is a disaster on so many levels. He’s unfit to be POTUS in my view. He’s a significant threat to the Constitution. I don’t know why you keep going on about the “media”. There are hundreds of conservative media that you ignore and instead whine about the media that is not far right. No left media has admitted in court that they lied and forked over millions in admitting it. FOX is not the only one. Alex Jones and others… they promote lies and conspiracy theories and you seem to be in their tent. Election cheating /stolen elections is apparently the belief if you make
            voting easy it’s a bad thing especially if you lose.

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Remain impervious to facts, like the good little party man you are.
            There was a Soviet term invented for the likes of you, but that gets you censored.
            Instead, when Martin Niemoller happens to you, remember I tried to warn you. And that’s not hate!

            Let’s try an honesty test.
            Is it true that there are two sexes?
            Is cheating wrong?
            Is murder wrong?

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Let’s ask if personally targeting specific individuals like Anthony Fauci is evil? Wrong?

          5. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Calling him a liar, if he is a liar, is not evil. It is true. And his own emails show that, Mr. Impervious. And he did fund gain of function. And he did reach out to besmirch and censor, most notably, The Great Barrington Declaration. Yet another “conspiracy theory” proved right.
            We have reached the point when a Leftist says “conspiracy theory,” the Righty case is proved. Liked being called a racist by a Lefty…
            Now go do your IMO thing again

          6. Telling the truth is not evil. Inventing statements without facts can be.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            threatening people is especially when the attackers are believers of conspiracy theories
            and not facts. Nothing justifies the attacks on Fauci even if he was demonstrable wrong
            instead of refusing to kow tow to those that disagree. It’s unacceptable and evil behavior, period.

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