by James C. SherlockUpdated Feb 1 at 8:13:25 with a correction to IES assessment of PBIS.

Newport News Schools PBIS Capacity Assessments – Courtesy Dr. Jaruan M. Ransome, Program Administrator, Student Conduct & Discipline

Newport News Schools first implemented Virginia Tiered Systems of Supports (VTSS) and its discipline component, Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS), in the 2017-18 school year.

That year Newport News Schools was in Cohort 3 of VDOE’s VTSS program, which provides support at the division level through grant funding and technical assistance. PBIS is implemented in every Newport News school.

In April of 2022, for the second time, those schools were rated by the state as “fluent” in the implementation of VTSS/PBIS.

Good to know. I mean that.

That means that there can be no confusion as to what has gone wrong in Newport News Schools. The behavioral and educational chaos there represents some combination of system failure and individual failure.

But the point is that was always going to happen in many schools, especially those in the toughest neighborhoods.

PBIS is dangerous by design.

It can work, but in trying to trade some safety for a lot of equity, it too often gets neither.

And even its proponents have found out that without safety and order, nothing else about the schools can work.


Here is a list I developed from multiple sources, including checks of each of the 132 school division websites, to show which school divisions have implemented VTSS/PBIS in Virginia.

  • Yellow background’s indicate implementation in all or most division schools.
  • Grey backgrounds represent implementation in a few division schools.  t is hard to tell whether those individual schools still use it.
  • School divisions on white backgrounds apparently never tried it.

It is unlikely to be 100% correct, but it is close.

We are going to examine in this new series discipline and mental health in Virginia’s Public Schools.

They must be considered together to understand the scope of what is presented by government as defining solutions to school disorder, mental health and safety problems. Because of the breadth and depth of each subject, we will discuss in this series first discipline, and then mental health.

This first article on discipline will let its most fervent supporters define PBIS.

Then I will show where it is used and not used in Virginia school divisions.

In later discipline articles we will examine PBIS further, Virginia laws, regulations and guidelines on discipline.

PBIS. We’ll focus on Virginia Tiered Systems of Supports (VTSS) in general and its Positive Behavioral Interventions and Supports (PBIS) discipline system in particular.

The foundation of Multi-Tiered System of Supports (MTSS) was developed in the 70’s and 80’s and originally called RTI (Response to Interventions), a tiered approach to identifying and helping special-ed kids academically.

PBIS was originally designed very specifically as a similarly tiered approach to solve what the University of Oregon School of Education defined as a “school-to-prison pipeline” for Black kids.  Others jumped on board.

To fight “systemic racism” that they found by so desperately wanting to, even in Black-run school divisions.

Two primary means to that end were and are:

  • refraining from calling law enforcement in the case of in-school misdemeanors; and
  • keeping kids in school, even if suspended.

And, in many areas where that did not work, frustrated practitioners removed in-school law enforcement officers called School Resource Officers (SROs). Many of those same divisions, now with a shortage of law enforcement officers in the communities they serve, are trying to get them back.

So PBIS intentionally absorbed behavioral and mental health problems into the schools.  It has been tried in an increasing number of schools since the year 2000.

Virginia’s VTSS and MTSS in general now have combined RTI and PBIS.

As defined by its most fervent supporters, PBIS is:

“an evidence-based, tiered framework for supporting students’ behavioral, academic, social, emotional, and mental health.

When implemented with fidelity, PBIS improves social emotional competence, academic success, and school climate.

It also improves teacher health and wellbeing.

It is a way to create positive, predictable, equitable and safe learning environments where everyone thrives.”

Or not.

Again quoting:

“Schools implementing PBIS:

  • Use a continuum of evidence-based practices to support student needs
  • Engage students, families, and community members to co-create culturally responsive practices
  • Regularly check the effectiveness of their practices
  • Rely on teams to guide implementation
  • Use data to identify strengths, uncover needs, and monitor student progress
  • Implement universal screening
  • Develop content expertise through coaching and on-going professional development.”

And be prepared to defend against blows from feral students and duck gunshots?

In schools in highly stressed and dysfunctional communities, my own reaction is that is a preposterous overreach. On what leafy university campuses was PBIS developed?

In other words, you have to be kidding.

The federal Institute of Educational Sciences (IES) records show that there is strong evidence that PBIS offers no positive value to education or discipline. I will detail that next time.

Of the nearly 100,000 public schools in the United States in 2018, 27,000 employed PBIS.

Newport News Schools implemented PBIS five years ago and has been graded as “fluent” in VTSS/PBIS for more than three years.

I’ll leave it to readers to assess how well it has “improved school climate, teacher health and well being, and (provided) positive, predictable, equitable and safe learning environments where everyone thrives” in Newport News Schools.

And in other school divisions on the list.

A federal threat

PBIS has been around since 2000.  It was a focus of a bill introduced by Senator Barack Obama in 2007.

The Civil Rights Divisions of the Obama Justice Department and Department of Education in January 2014 jumped into the debate about the most effective ways to manage discipline in schools with their famous joint “Dear Colleague letter.

Secretary of Education Arne Duncan said the racial disparity in school suspensions wasn’t a reflection of problems in society but the result of “racial discrimination” in our schools.

The lawsuits threatened would be based on disparate impact as measured by relative numbers of suspensions and expulsions of black students vs. white students that “are not explained by more frequent or more serious misbehavior by students of color.”

That letter offered the principles of PBIS as offering evidence of good faith attempts to avoid those charges.

The Departments strongly support schools in their efforts to create and maintain safe and orderly educational environments that allow our nation’s students to learn and thrive. Many schools have adopted comprehensive, appropriate, and effective programs demonstrated to: (1) reduce disruption and misconduct; (2) support and reinforce positive behavior and character development; and (3) help students succeed. Successful programs may incorporate a wide range of strategies to reduce misbehavior and maintain a safe learning environment, including conflict resolution, restorative practices, counseling, and structured systems of positive interventions.”

It has not had the impact that the authors hoped.

Twenty-one percent of public schools in the United States used PBIS when it was published in 2014.

Twenty-seven percent used PBIS four years later.

Bottom line. PBIS is still experimental until proven otherwise. No school division in Virginia is required to use it, despite the heavy federal and state jawboning.

It asks schools to deal in school with kids that have proven — PBIS’ own Tier Three — to be lawbreakers (criminal misdemeanors are by policy not reported to police) to police and/or have mental health problems, which PBIS doctrine makes the schools’ problems.

That, even if well meant, has proven repeatedly to be unacceptably dangerous.

At a minimum, it did not stand up to the pressures of COVID in most of the school divisions who have implemented it.

Ask the Newport News schoolteachers.

Much more on this in future articles in this series.


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38 responses to “School Discipline in Virginia – Part 1 – PBIS”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “…there does not exist a single valid study of PBIS outcomes…”

    https://files.eric.ed.gov/fulltext/EJ1231342.pdf

    Assessing the Relationship Between the Positive
    Behavior Interventions and Supports Framework
    and Student Outcomes in High Schools
    Jennifer Freeman, Laura Kern, Anthony J. Gambino, Allison Lombardi, and Jennifer Kowitt
    Abstract: The relationship between PBIS implementation fidelity and reductions in student office discipline referrals (ODR) has been relatively well-established in the literature; however, results related to other student outcomes such as suspensions, attendance, and academic performance are not well explored especially at the high school level. The purpose of this study was to examine the relations between PBIS implementation fidelity and student-level behavior (ODR, suspension), attendance (days absent, tardies), and academic (GPA) outcomes in a large sample of 12,127 students from 15 high schools implementing PBIS in a natural context without direct research support. Our findings suggest high schools implementing PBIS with fidelity may see improvements in student outcomes beyond reductions in ODRs. After controlling for student and school demographic variables, schools which were implementing with higher fidelity in this sample had fewer absences, unexcused tardies, ODRs, and suspensions. This study extends the current literature by exploring typical measures of academic achievement (i.e., GPA) rather than focusing upon only standardized assessments and by examining student-level rather than school-level aggregate outcomes. Notably, results from the current study focus entirely on high school settings and demonstrate desired changes in student-level outcomes in a large sample.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Good catch. Seems like a dearth of data and evidence here on this.

      My understanding is that not all schools use PBIS and instead use other approaches.

      Do we have any comparative data ?

      Do we know how NN compared to other districts that use PBIS or other approaches?

      Are there alternative approaches that are demonstrated to be more effective?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Did not take me very long to find this one. There appear to be many studies on the effectiveness of PBIS in the literature as one would expect.

      2. MisterChips Avatar
        MisterChips

        Good questions Larry.

        I read the study in ERIC that was cited by Eric above. The only statistically significant relationships to PBIS implementation with fidelity were office referrals (ODR), suspensions, absences and unexcused tardies. No relationship to GPA or excused tardies.

        Anecdotally, my school now has fewer office referrals (ODR) and therefore fewer suspensions and therefore fewer absences. If you don’t refer students to the office then they don’t get suspended and aren’t absent. What you do get is a rowdier school with more teacher burnout.

        It’s not helpful without answers to your questions.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Thanks. As I wrote, none of these “studies” have passed the validity test at IES.

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Same answer. Invalid by IES standards.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            this the place?

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/c3b829082f15783e7ca9bcb1613eb4401ecc30b9a850715ca729a2b05c24629a.jpg

            do they validate ANY studies of different methods?

            Let me say that Education DOES have a history of trying different things… like Whole Language or open classrooms, etc that have turned out to be duds.

            It could be on this also but I need to see something more than anecdotal evidence.

            I’d PREFER to see comparative evidence that actually does show wider and deeper data across many schools.

            This has been ongoing for 20 years or so , right?

          3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            No, I use the IES What Works Clearinghouse, a component of the National Center for Education Evaluation at IES

            See https://ies.ed.gov/ncee/wwc/Search/Products?searchTerm=PBIS&&ProductType=4&&&&&interventionId=&publicationDate=undefined Note that I have included studies that do not meet standards. There are none that do.

            What Works Clearinghouse is IES’s attempt to sort among the thousands of Ed School Doctoral theses and studies annually in that particular publish or perish world.

            The standards are highly complex and technical, but are used to achieve confidence in interventions into educational practice. No PBIS study has made the cut.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Thanks. Are there ANY such approaches “proven” as alternatives to PBIS?

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          No ODR, fewer suspensions. When the only tool you have is a hammer…

        3. LarrytheG Avatar

          Mr. Chips. I take it you’re an active teacher with real experience so it counts for a lot in my book in relating experiences.

          I was taken with your answer that you have “great” administrators but a “lack of consequences”.

          😉

          Then you say less referrals but rowdier and burnout.

          Can you fill in a little more like how long you’ve been at it and if your school is using PBIS and for how long? If not PBIS, what instead? Is your school more dangerous than it used to be?

          1. MisterChips Avatar
            MisterChips

            This is my 30th year, 23 at this high school. PBIS has been in effect to some degree for about 3 years. Before PBIS we were curtailing suspensions for equity purposes.
            I wouldn’t say it’s more dangerous. It’s always been a little dangerous. We have fights but it is rare for a teacher to be threatened. I would say I have more encounters with students who have no sense of right or wrong. It’s not overtly dangerous but I know when to watch my back.
            Students with no sense of civility are hard to manage when you take away the ability to remove them from the school (temporary suspensions). I know that our admin team cares about the staff and students and wants to make it work. It’s a good team but if they have fewer and fewer tools to manage errant behavior the school environment gets worse in spite of their best efforts. Hence the teacher frustration.
            Not at the school level leadership but more with the local, state and federal leadership.

            My preference would be to suspend from the regular school day and require night or weekend school to replace lost time. I would also prefer to offer time out of school for students who are passing and have no discipline incidents. Reward the good behavior as much as we try to punish the misbehavior. Unfortunately, neither method is approved by the school board.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Thanks Mr. Chips. Was “discipline” the way it should be BEFORE PBIS and it essentially degraded and got worse after PBIS was implemented?

          3. MisterChips Avatar
            MisterChips

            I think the discipline was more severe 20 years ago and has slowly been relaxed. Behavior is certainly worse now and the discipline measures are much less severe. In fairness, that’s not just due to PBIS and similar strategies. We had a school leadership change that definitely loosened things in my school and a district level leadership change that made it worse. My locality has gotten what it asked for. Most parents are not protesting at school board meetings to get stricter rules for their children. Sometimes for other peoples kids, but not theirs.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Thanks. You’d return to stricter, harsher enforcement if you could?

        4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          I posted a study I found on the IES site in a comment below (maybe Sherlock will count this one). These are the key findings. Perhaps MTSS is more useful to teachers in the elementary school setting.

          “Key Findings
          ➢ The program was no better than schools’ usual strategies at improving overall student behavior or achievement, though it did have positive effects on teachers’ classroom management, classroom functioning, and some aspects of school climate. These intermediate effects may result from the greater use of MTSS-B practices in participating versus non-participating schools, even though principals and MTSS-B team leaders in participating schools indicated that there were challenges with some aspects of implementation.
          ➢ For the 15 percent of students initially identified as struggling the most with behavior, the program had positive effects on disruptive behavior and reading achievement while the program lasted. But the effect on reading achievement was not sustained in the year afterward.”

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Interested in hearing Mr. Chips response as well as folks like Matt Hurt and Kathleen.

            Here’s the thing.

            I assume that PBIS is an approach that has been developed because there was a need, that the approaches before it never really solved the problem.

            That’s why I like studies that compare actual data with the varying approaches.

            It could well be that this approach has some better outcomes but perhaps not across the board, perhaps with the toughest cases where PBIS does not work but has anything worked included prior approaches?

            There is no question that discipline has eroded over the years, it’s endemic in society itself (just look at school board meetings).

            So there is violent disagreement from folks like Sherlock on PBIS but I’m not seeing actual data that backs up his view and I’m not buying Ad Hoc anecdotal evidence

            So let’s discuss the issue – on the merits with actual evidence and stay on that track if we can.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      The actual quote, Eric, is “the federal Institute of Education Sciences (IES) records show that there does not exist a single valid study of PBIS outcomes”. That makes the one you cite one of the invalid ones.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        So you are saying only IES studies are “valid” in your opinion. The one I cited seemed pretty valid to me.

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I’m sure there are others. None, including this one, passed the validity test at IES.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Well, I think it is really more of a funded-by thing, but I did find this study on your IES site:

        https://ies.ed.gov/ncee/pubs/2022008/pdf/2022008.pdf

        So are you going to parse your words out of this one as well…?

  2. Bob X from Texas Avatar
    Bob X from Texas

    “We must all suffer from one of two pains: the pain of discipline or the pain of regret. The difference is discipline weighs ounces while regret weighs tons.”.
    Jim Rohn

    Discipline or Regret, teachers used to guide children towards discipline. New woke teachers are guiding students towards a lifetime of regret, “I could have been a contender”, and blaming others for their lack of discipline resulting in failure.

  3. Lefty665 Avatar

    It is hard to argue that PBIS has worked well across Virginia. With Virginia’s school problems, as with most problems, there are a range of solutions that range from elegant to ok. Outcomes derive from the implementation with an ok solution well implemented being better than an elegant solution poorly implemented. It seems likely that PBIS has worked well in some schools in Virginia and poorly in others. That leads to the conclusion that the issue is implementation more than method.

    Implementation starts with staffing, and from my wife the sp ed teacher what is needed there includes:

    More pay to attract better teachers and administrators
    More teachers for smaller classes
    Better teacher/administrator education for better classroom management
    Better teacher/administrator education for better behavior management

    With those things there are many systems, PBIS and others, that can radically improve schools. Without them nothing is likely to work well.

    She also observes that our schools of education do a terrible job of preparing teachers to manage a classroom and to manage problem behaviors. They need dramatic improvement too.

    Until we better prepare, pay and hire more teachers no system will likely work well and we will remain as Pogo observed “We have met the enemy and he is us”. Blaming the problem on Obama, Duncan and PBIS while alluring is simplistic, and more important will do little to actually make our schools better.

    Here is her ‘bible’ on classroom management that she reviewed at the beginning of each year. It helped her get ahead of disruptive antecedents that in turn let her make her classrooms learning environments that were trouble free while having many students with histories of very bad behavior. She never needed to use the annual training in restraints they got. Nor would she ever have botched a search for a gun:

    https://www.amazon.com/s?k=the+first+days+of+school+harry+wong+5th+edition&crid=39LDKKIEZ1GSG&sprefix=the+first+days+of+schoo%2Caps%2C124&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_2_23

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      As I wrote, the federal IES shows not a single scientifically valid study, Lefty, that PBIS has “worked” anywhere, much less in some schools in Virginia.

      The foundation of Multi-Tiered System of Supports (MTSS) was developed in the 70’s and 80’s and originally called RTI (Response to Interventions), a tiered approach to identifying and helping special ed kids academically.

      PBIS was originally designed in the 90’s very specifically as a similarly tiered approach to solve the “school-to-prison pipeline” for black kids. To fight “systemic racism”.

      Two primary means to that end were and are:
      – refraining from calling law enforcement in the case of in-school misdemeanors; and
      – keeping kids in school, even if suspended.

      And, in many areas where that did not work, removed in-school law enforcement officers called School Resource Officers (SROs).

      So PBIS intentionally absorbed behavioral and mental health problems into the schools.

      The rest of the claims for its value are add-ons.

      Virginia’s VTSS and MTSS in general now have combined RTI and PBIS.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        I am not an advocate of PBIS, nor do I agree it is worthless.

        What I am sure of is that it is at best a symptom, not the underlying problem. What I am a proponent of is that to successfully solve a problem requires accurately diagnosing it.

        You consistently get diagnosis wrong. You were wrong the other day when you advocated inserting profoundly varying CSBs and their bureaucracies into schools. You are equally inept today in trashing a methodology (PBIS) rather than addressing the real issues of underpaid, ill trained and too few teachers and ineffective administrators.

        Nothing is going to fix our schools until the underlying problems are addressed. Going after a flawed process instead is just rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

        You can do better and I hope you do. That starts by correctly identifying the problem rather than barking at a symptom.

        1. MisterChips Avatar
          MisterChips

          I’m not underpaid or ill-trained. I’m also fortunate to work with great administrators. The underlying problem at my school is a lack of consequences for bad behavior.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            Hummm, don’t believe I’ve ever seen “great administrators” and “lack of consequences for bad behavior” in the same statement before.

            Teachers also have a lot of opportunity to shape behavior. Failure to do that effectively can result in bad behavior too. If that is not a consequence of being ill-trained or ill-administered then perhaps some introspection may be in order.

            Glad you’re being paid well.

            Our colleges/universities generally are doing a poor job of preparing teachers to do effective classroom management. If teachers have not been taught the skills/tools needed to run classrooms effectively they could be ill-trained and not know it. Frequent in class behavior issues may be an indicator.

            See the bottom of my original post for a link to a wonderful book on classroom management.

          2. MisterChips Avatar
            MisterChips

            I have the book. I read it
            in the late 90’s when I started teaching. I’m glad you found it.

            You’re on the right track about teacher preparation programs. Schools of education are nearly worthless in preparing teachers in content expertise as well as pedagogy. That’s a whole different animal.

            Introspection is a great and necessary tool for every teacher but you’re imagining a teacher in a room with kids throwing airplanes or otherwise off task. Classroom management is not really what I’m talking about.
            Picture a hallway with non compliant students who have no problem dropping a F-bomb on faculty members. Picture the student coming to school under the influence of drugs every day.
            You should go substitute in an average high school somewhere and some of this might make more sense.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I agree with your wife’s list of four conditions for better behavior management.

      I disagree with you that PBIS can be an “OK” solution under those conditions.

      It purposely trades off safety for equity and asks schools to deal in school with kids that have proven – thus their placement in PBIS’ own Tier Three – to be lawbreakers and/or have mental health problems and to have been resistant to the Tier One and Tier Two PBIS solutions.

      That, even if well meant, has proven repeatedly to be unacceptably dangerous.

      All the training in the world won’t make that a good idea.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        Like I led with, a less effective solution can be better than a more effective solution that is implemented poorly.

        Just as with your twaddle the other day about putting CSBs in schools, with this you have once again jumped to the wrong conclusion. When you misdiagnose the problem, you miss solving it.

        The problem is teachers and administrators and our failure to invest in them. That is both in pay, quantity and education. Until we fix that it does not matter what process, PBIS or anything else is implemented. It ain’t gonna work.

  4. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    “Two primary means to that end were and are:
    refraining from calling law enforcement in the case of in-school misdemeanors; and
    keeping kids in school, even if suspended.
    And, in many areas where that did not work, frustrated practitioners removed in-school law enforcement officers called School Resource Officers (SROs). Many of those same divisions, now with a shortage of law enforcement officers in the communities they serve, are trying to get them back.”

    Where do you find this? Website?

    1. Lefty665 Avatar

      In school suspensions are a reasonable point along a line of disciplinary actions ranging from a figurative slap on the wrist to out of school suspension.

      The rest looks suspiciously like Sherlock making it up as he goes along.

  5. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    A system is better than no system. I agree, the studies do not meet the gold standard of IES, but few do. In education, we can’t treat one group and not treat another group. It is rather a moral decision.

    I don’t think that PBIS is a cure, it is a system, one of several, and without something in place at a school, there would be chaos.

    If the law requires an administrator to do something, like get up out his/her chair, walk down the hall, open a kid’s backpack, and/or take a student out of the general population until police/parent arrive as three teachers reported him having a gun, then PBIS isn’t going to change that.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      20, 28,000, 2600

      One thing that is getting overlooked in the current Richneck tragedy:

      The Newport News School system data shows more than 28,000 students , 2600 teachers and 20 elementary schools that have NOT had the problems that Richneck had , at least to that extreme.

      The School Quality page looks like this:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ba920165a7cf09e4930d03fac146cfc513e6d032e7210dfff1a57f7ed9d5256.jpg

      https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/newport-news-city-public-schools#desktopTabs-6

      I’d be the first one to admit being skeptical about these numbers.

      But if they are said to be wrong, I’d like to see some real data not speculation and anecdotal what-a-bout-ism

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      20, 28,000, 2600

      One thing that is getting overlooked in the current Richneck tragedy:

      The Newport News School system data shows more than 28,000 students , 2600 teachers and 20 elementary schools that have NOT had the problems that Richneck had , at least to that extreme.

      The School Quality page looks like this:

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/9ba920165a7cf09e4930d03fac146cfc513e6d032e7210dfff1a57f7ed9d5256.jpg

      https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/divisions/newport-news-city-public-schools#desktopTabs-6

      I’d be the first one to admit being skeptical about these numbers.

      But if they are said to be wrong, I’d like to see some real data not speculation and anecdotal what-a-bout-ism

  6. I’ve been busy, so I’m coming late to the game here. Thanks for this backgrounder. It is useful to have the background on where VTSS comes from and where it is implemented in Virginia. That information is useful to jump-start the conversation about whether VTSS works as hoped for.

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