SCC Urged To Focus on Wind Construction Risk

by Steve Haner

Advocates made their case Monday for a proposed settlement that offers Virginia consumers some protection from construction cost overruns on Dominion Energy Virginia’s proposed offshore wind project. Not everybody said it was superior to an earlier proposal that protected consumers from future operational failures, but all saw it as unlikely to kill the project.

The earlier approach, placing the risk of operational failure over 30 years on the utility, was going to kill the project, the utility claimed. The utility stood by that threat in the hearing in front of the Virginia State Corporation Commission. But the company is willing to risk its shareholders’ money on its ability to complete the project on time and on budget, its attorney told the Commission.

There was no indication during the hearing when a decision would come. The two judges could leave their original order unchanged or issue a new one based on the proposed agreement between Dominion, Attorney General Jason Miyares (R), two environmental groups and Walmart, one of Dominion’s largest commercial customers.

Other parties, including representatives for major industry and the SCC staff, didn’t sign the stipulation. Nor did they oppose it, and Commissioner Judith Jagdmann polled them one by one.

Two conclusions are evident from the hearing. First, all the parties to the new approach took Dominion’s threat to kill the project at face value and that is what backed them down, including Miyares. He had Deputy Attorney General Steven Popps appear at the hearing, not just consumer section chief Meade Browder, to emphasize his (Miyares’) desire to save the project in a closing statement.

The other firm conclusion is that everybody must expect Dominion will blow past the current construction cost estimate of $9.8 billion. Otherwise, there is nothing to protect consumers in this approach. Under this, up to $10.3 billion in costs will be financed fully by customers (and perhaps taxpayer subsidies), and the next $1 billion is then split 50-50 between customers and the company.

Beyond a total of $11.3 billion, any extra cost is on Dominion. The total cost could actually rise to $13.7 billion under this agreement with the SCC needing to accept that the General Assembly has imposed a legal presumption that it is reasonable and prudent. If that day comes, expect all the legislators left in office who voted that way in 2020 to cry, “We didn’t know!” (They didn’t ask.)

Unfortunately, the hearing also produced no new information on the impact of the new federal Inflation Reduction Act with its rewrite of all the rules and subsidies on wind projects. For example, the utility can now consider whether to claim investment tax credits, which could lower construction costs, or production tax credits that lower the future operating costs. The federal government is still working on the rules and tax details.

Nobody cuts to the quick better than attorney Will Cleveland of the Southern Environmental Law Center, one of the environmental advocates. He endorsed both approaches – a cap on construction risk or on operational risk – and said he would help the SCC defend either on appeal. But the deal on construction risk won’t be appealed by Dominion, he said, nor will the utility run to the 2023 General Assembly to override it. Cleveland was the only person to discuss legislative risk openly, but it exists.

Of course, legislative risk works both ways. The House of Delegates’ Republican majority voted out a bill in February to repeal the law that makes this project virtually mandatory. It died in the Senate, but the threat of a repeat and a pending election also motivated the parties to find some settlement that provided a path forward before legislators return in January. As noted above, the parties who signed want it built. Sierra Club’s lawyer Cale Jaffe called the project “an exciting enterprise, urgently needed” and noted his client’s enthusiasm.

A final conclusion from the hearing: Commissioner Jagdmann’s retirement is indeed bad news. She was highly engaged during the two hours, peppering the lawyers with questions and introducing her own exhibit on consumer cost. It will provide a great basis for comparison if (when) the construction cost does blow past $10 or $11 or $12 billion, or if (when) the energy output indeed lags behind Dominion’s exuberant projections.

She questioned each lawyer over who they actually represented and how they got their power. Thus it emerged that Walmart is not a full Dominion customer but instead uses competitive suppliers. Despite that, by law it has to pay the same rider OSW as full Dominion customers. That could mean the construction cost risk is more important to it than the operational risk. Construction cost overruns will certainly hit customer rates sooner than costs from future operational failures.

She made every party agree they understood this one project would more than double the utility’s capital rate base, with the parallel wave of massive solar investments adding even more consumer cost. “Ya’ll need to pay attention to affordability as we move along,” she quietly cautioned.

Ya’ll do, too. Brace yourselves.


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35 responses to “SCC Urged To Focus on Wind Construction Risk”

  1. VCEA vetoed affordability.

  2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I still think Dominion was bluffing about pulling the plug if faced with an operational cost cap. I hope the SCC calls the bluff.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      I think Judge Judy was polling looking for allies. She didn’t find one. 🙂 I am so going to miss her, but I’m happy if this makes her happy.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      I think if Dominion is trying to get money/investors – such a provision will affect
      their ability to do that and, in turn, the cost of financing. If true, it would be irresponsible of Dominion to proceed under highly unfavorable investor appeal.

      I’d not be surprised that this “come to Jesus” moment was “discussed” with Youngkin and Miyares.

      I think similar issues might be present for other potential non-renewable fuel sources like SMRs – something Youngkin has expressed support of.

      gotta look downstream….

    3. I agree with you. They really have no choice but to pursue “green’ projects and this one is underway already. They are not going to abandon it now.

  3. Turbocohen Avatar

    Wind Turbine $yndrome. Follow the money.

  4. Deckplates Avatar

    Many of the coasts of the world, Asia, Europe, and even along some of the smaller (GDP) countries, one can see windmills which are a vastly motionless. There is NO business case nor Engineering case to support windmills now. They produce a loss for ROI – short term & long term.

    Dominion has no downside. They win in all ways, legally, financially & politically. IF we were to realistically obviate not just the financial risks & probable losses, but the social and wellbeing losses, this would stop soon.

    1. It’s anecdotal, I know, but on a recent trip to the Dominican Republic I saw a small valley with 12-15 wind turbines placed along its length. It was a somewhat windy day, and a grand total of one of the turbines was spinning.

    2. It’s anecdotal, I know, but on a recent trip to the Dominican Republic I saw a small valley with 12-15 wind turbines placed along its length. It was a somewhat windy day, and a grand total of one of the turbines was spinning.

  5. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    I fully agree that there are two big risks here, construction risk and operational risk. Legally, I agree the SCC might not have authority to impose a construction cost cap and had a better legal case for imposing an operating performance standard. With Dominion’s sign off, however, this can now be done.

    But I will admit the second approach won my heart mainly because Dominion threatened to kill the whole thing. In very few years it will be clear this project is a huge mistake. The giant sucking sound is growing. Predicting here Miyares will regret saving it. We’ll see…

    1. DJRippert Avatar

      It’s too early politically for Miyares to kill the project. Still too many snowflakes hopping up and down over the impending “climate catastrophe”, too much money going to Dominion whether this project works or not and too many politicians with their pockets stretched by Dominion contributions.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      I remember when the orig Congress renewable/bio energy bill went thru around 06. I opposed but Sen Webb assured me Virginia would become the switchgrass capital of the world. Well now we have changed our Va. college major from biofuels to offshore wind. We are committed.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I remember the switchgrass thing…. 😉 as well as Senator Warner!

  6. LarrytheG Avatar

    I’m thinking there might be something else going on here. I don’t think Dominion is necessarily bluffing. If potential capital investors have doubts about the investment, they will bail.

    That’s something Youngkin with his background ought to understand.

    The politics of it are separate but I also think being underestimated by conservatives and climate deniers. The vast majority of voters these days believe there is a problem and that we must make changes.

    No, they’re not going to pay twice as much for electricity but they’re not going to continue to stick with a fossil-fuel-central approach either.

    All the major auto companies have invested billions of dollars into EVs. Either they’re all going to suffer tremendous losses or the skeptics are wrong.

    And most folks who buy an EV these days DO KNOW the differece between electricity that comes from fossil fuels or non/less polluting sources.

    I think Conservatives, once again, underestimate the implications.

    Change is going to happen. It does depend on how long the obstructionists do their thing… like we saw with CFCs and ozone holes or leaded gas or other similar issues.

    change is going to happen.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Nope, the whole justification is bogus. There is no climate crisis. There is barely enough climate change to notice. But some folks will get very, very rich. Now the Biden Admin has signed off on international climate reparations…$$$$$$

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Nope, the whole justification is bogus. There is no climate crisis. There is barely enough climate change to notice. But some folks will get very, very rich. Now the Biden Admin has signed off on international climate reparations…$$$$$$

      To the extent the performance standard was a threat to investors, that tells you the threat to consumers without it. Period. Perfect poker call and raise.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Who cares what stirs the pot? Money and water produce nothing but misery when they stagnate.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Who cares what stirs the pot? Money and water produce nothing but misery when they stagnate.

      3. LarrytheG Avatar

        I will say that Haner is consistent if nothing else on his view of Climate Change!

        But it looks to me that virtually all the car companies are investing billions of dollars into EVs, an uncharacteristic risk for an entire industry ? yes, that’s a question!

        Are we going to see 18-wheelers, train locomotives, ocean-going ships, river barges, farm tractors, homes, skyscrapers, cities go “all-electric”?

        Not in our lives, for most of us.

        But if we do, the grid is going to need “more” power and here’s the thing – it makes no sense to switch a vehicle/house from fossil fuel to electric – if the electric is coming from fossil-fuel.

        Right? (or does it? is it less polluting to generate electricity with fossil fuels for electric EVs than fossil-fuel-powered cars?).

        If that’s where we’re headed, I totally agree with Haner on the “bogus” word as well as a bunch of folks getting rich over it.

        OTOH, all this “denier” and conspiracy stuff going on these days does look to me that it started with climate change and the skeptics.

        no?

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    For better or for worse, it marks a spending of today’s money on a tomorrow we’ll never see as opposed to spending Tuesday’s money for a hamburger today.

    Old men and shade trees, my man.

  8. Nimbyism today, nimbyism tomorrow, nimbyism forever.

  9. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    I’m evermore happy that I get my electricity from Wake Electric Membership Corp., that my house is extremely energy efficient, and that I can set the rarely used upstairs heat pump to about 65 degrees.

    I also expect NC’s Senators Tillis and Budd to vote “no” to environmental reparations. My Congresswoman Ross will probably follow Slow Joe. But the court-ordered congressional districts apply only to the 2022 election. Maybe Wake Forest, which votes R, can be separated from Raleigh, which votes D.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Wake Electric’s compliance strategy with the NC Renewable Portfolio Standard requires 10 percent of Wake Electric’s energy resources to be renewable by 2018.

      In implementing that strategy, Wake Electric has signed 20-year contracts for over 100 million kWh per year of NC solar renewable energy certificates (RECs) or the equivalent of more than 15,000 residential scale rooftop installations.

      While Wake Electric has contracted with more than 25 large solar farms across eastern NC, none are directly connected to Wake Electric’s distribution system.

      This is the same approach primarily used by companies like Apple, Google, and Amazon in meeting their sustainability goals. Of course, the difference for us in that our compliance is not optional but is required by state law.

      While Wake Electric has 10 percent of your energy use covered with renewables (primarily solar RECs), a number of members have asked how they might cover some or all of the other 90 percent.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Yep, but TMT is wearing these “now I’m in NC and things are different” glasses…

  10. LG, you ask, “is it less polluting to generate electricity with fossil fuels for electric EVs than fossil-fuel-powered cars?” In a word, yes:

    – in general, the same amount of fossil energy moves a vehicle more miles if (a) converted to electricity in an efficient electric generator, transported by wire to the consumer, stored in a rechargeable car battery, and consumed in a mobile electric motor driving the car forward, than (b) converted to gasoline in a refinery, distributed and pumped at filling stations, and consumed in a mobile gasoline motor driving the car forward (very conversion and movement of energy entails inefficiencies/losses but they are greater end-to-end with distributed consumption of fossil fuels).

    – electricity can be used in ways fossil fuels can’t, e.g. to run a heat pump, which achieves space-heating efficiencies much greater than direct consumption of the same energy for its heat content.

    In addition, there is less “polluting” when using Grid electricity than locally distributed fossil fuels because, in general, fossil fuel is burned cleaner and more efficiently in a power plant than in distributed internal combustion engines, plus there are less distribution losses from escaping volatiles along the way.

    And there is the simple fact that today, the Grid is far from fully fossil-fueled, and getting farther. The Grid buys wholesale electricity at least cost: if renewables can generate for less they will beat the competition and currently they are doing so. There are also government mandates imposed on generators pushing them from fossil towards renewable fuels but in general the industry is making that shift anyway.

    I think it’s the inevitability of the cost and pollution advantages of electricity versus distributed fossil consumption that is pushing the auto industry to shift to EVs in spite of all the climate change naysayers like our friend SH.

    All that said, OSW is a special technology with special risks. The jury is out on large-scale east coast deployment of OSW, and I am no fan of the way Dominion has tried to shift the risk of this experiment entirely onto ratepayers. They tried a “heads I win, tails you lose” game and the SCC is right to force a better deal, or even no deal.

  11. LG, you ask, “is it less polluting to generate electricity with fossil fuels for electric EVs than fossil-fuel-powered cars?” In a word, yes:

    – in general, the same amount of fossil energy moves a vehicle more miles if (a) converted to electricity in an efficient electric generator, transported by wire to the consumer, stored in a rechargeable car battery, and consumed in a mobile electric motor driving the car forward, than (b) converted to gasoline in a refinery, distributed and pumped at filling stations, and consumed in a mobile gasoline motor driving the car forward (every conversion and movement of energy entails inefficiencies/losses but they are greater end-to-end with distributed consumption of fossil fuels).

    – electricity can be used in ways fossil fuels can’t, e.g. to run a heat pump, which achieves space-heating efficiencies much greater than direct consumption of the same energy for its heat content.

    In addition, there is less “polluting” when using Grid electricity than locally distributed fossil fuels because, in general, fossil fuel is burned cleaner and more efficiently in a power plant than in distributed internal combustion engines, plus there are less distribution losses from escaping volatiles along the way.

    And there is the simple fact that today, the Grid is far from fully fossil-fueled, and getting farther. The Grid buys wholesale electricity at least cost: if renewables can generate for less they will beat the competition and currently they are doing so. There are also government mandates imposed on generators pushing them from fossil towards renewable fuels but in general the industry is making that shift anyway.

    I think it’s the inevitability of the cost and pollution advantages of electricity versus distributed fossil consumption that is pushing the auto industry to shift to EVs in spite of all the climate change naysayers like our friend SH.

    All that said, OSW is a special technology with special risks. The jury is out on large-scale east coast deployment of OSW, and I am no fan of the way Dominion has tried to shift the risk of this experiment entirely onto ratepayers. They tried a “heads I win, tails you lose” game and the SCC is right to force a better deal, or even no deal.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yes. Everything I read says the same – i.e. fossil fuels burned at a power plant pollute less than fossil fuels burned in the car.

      I’m also no fan of the way Dominion did OSW but I just point out it’s little different than what they did with North Anna or the coal-ash cleanup or the tax-rebates, etc.

      It’s not endemic or unique to OSW and it won’t be much different if Dominion gets into SMRs either.

      What I call out is using different standards for different power sources and other Dominion projects.

      OSW is new technology with risk, no question but if Dominion and Youngkin made a proposal for SMRs – would it be much different?

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        Just be careful, typically those type of comments assume 25 MPG car. Prius gets over 50 MPG.

      2. To generalize: You can make the case for ratepayer funding / ratepayer risk when you’re talking about transmission/distribution/retail sales infrastructure, but not when you’re talking about generation. The wholesale Grid is a competitive market for energy and capacity, and generation that can’t be financed on the basis of projected earnings and risk to investors in that market shouldn’t be built. It especially shouldn’t be built at the financial risk of retail customers rather than investors.

        You can make the case for an exception for ratepayers to help finance a pilot project using new technology in order to test its feasibility. Dominion’s OSW plans are much grander than a “pilot project”; they simply wanted to off-load the risk onto ratepayers up front because, well, why not (if the SCC and GA will let them get away with it)? New nuclear investment falls in the same category IMO: if a new unit at NA or distributed SMRs make sense competitively then go ahead, shareholders, build it at your risk (and of course profit, if you are correct). In the competitive electricity market, absolutely no new conventional generation should be built at ratepayer risk these days; and most “new technology” isn’t really that new or that risky either.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Acbar – I “get it”. And so , you make the same case for a nuke.

          I’d say … in the scheme of things.. OSW is in a different category of “risk” than nukes at this point.

          And I presume you’d have the same view with regard to the Atlantic Coast Pipeline?

          1. Hah! You know the risks come in different sizes and flavors. There’s regulatory risk, political risk (usually environmental), risk of obsolescent technology, risk of construction cost overruns. I’m talking mainly about risk of operating costs so high that, even if built, it can’t compete and so won’t run. A separate q., Who should bear that risk.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Isn’t this the first time the issue of this kind of risk has come up with a Dominion project that folks seek the SCC to intervene in?

            Did this come up with North Anna?

  12. Is there some reason we shouldn’t let the project die?

  13. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    Dominion knows how to negotiate. I doubt that it would have walked away since it would still be subject to Virginia law and SCC approval. Those who support the compromise will feel good believing that they have saved rate payers money. In other words, they feel good losing.

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