Rigging the Election Rules — Legally

by James A. Bacon

First, we present this news item from the Roanoke Times, headlined, “Democrats push to preserve pandemic voting access measures.”

After the November election, legislators knew changes to Virginia’s election laws were in order. Democrats and Republicans had differing views of what those changes should be. Encouraged by a presidential election with high voter turnout, Democrats are working to codify many of the changes the state put into place for the pandemic that broadened ballot access. At the same time, they are chastising Republicans who want to roll back those changes on the basis of restoring “election integrity,” saying they shouldn’t cast doubt on voting measures that don’t contribute to widespread fraud. (My bold)

See what has happened? Democrats have moved the goalpost. Now election integrity is reason for concern only when there is “widespread” voting fraud. Presumably, the definition of “widespread” is a sufficient level of fraud to disconcert Democrats. The Trumpistas made “election integrity” a running gag line with claims that the presidential election was “stolen,” and Democrats are taking full advantage of insanity on the Right to push their agenda for loosening election rules. But just because election fraud didn’t rise to the level of altering the election in 2020 doesn’t mean that election integrity is a phony issue. Which brings us to this headline

“Virginia Rule Allowing Late Ballots Missing Postmark Was Illegal, Court Rules.”

Virginia’s Board of Elections had issued guidance before the 2020 election that allowed the counting of ballots arriving up to three days late without postmarks — an open-ended invitation to fraud. That rule was blocked by Circuit Court Judge William Eldridge in response to a lawsuit filed by Thomas Reed, a Frederick County election official. Last week, Eldridge determined definitively that the rule violated state election law, and permanently banned its implementation in future Virginia elections.

You probably didn’t read the story because only conservative media outlets reported it. Bing the results (I like to keep Google honest by using Microsoft’s Bing search tool sometimes), and you’ll see that not a single Virginia “news”paper or other establishment media outlet ran that  story.

Meanwhile, against the backdrop of Democrats doing everything within their power to ensure that “every vote counts,” we read this article from the Kingsport Times about deceased state Sen. Ben Chafin, a Republican representing the 38th senatorial district in far Southwest Virginia. Before his untimely death of COVID-19 on Jan. 1, Chafin had submitted a bill to strengthen protections for incapacitated adults facing physical and financial abuse.

The bill has been taken up by Sen. Mark Obenshain, R-Harrisonburg, and Del. Mike Mullin, D-Newport News. It’s nice to see bipartisanship in action, but noticeably absent is the participation of Chafin’s successor. That’s because Chafin doesn’t have a successor. Chafin doesn’t have a successor because Governor Ralph Northam scheduled his special election after the close of the General Assembly session rather than, as he could have, the day before the General Assembly convened this year.

Bacon’s bottom line: Democrats want to ensure that every vote counts. They just don’t want to ensure that every Virginians gets to vote.

While I do not share the widely held view among many Republicans that the presidential election was “stolen,” I have become incredibly cynical about the election process. An extraordinary amount of effort goes into manipulating election rules, and every move is calculated for political advantage. Both Democrats and Republicans engage in this process. But some offenses are more egregious than others. The 200,000 citizens of Virginia’s 38th senatorial district who have no one to represent them in the General Assembly this year can vouch to that.

Meanwhile, I have yet to see a single quote from a single Democrat objecting to Northam’s decision to disenfranchise 200,000 Virginians. For that matter, I haven’t seen a single peep of protest expressed in news articles or the editorial pages of Virginia’s so-called “news”papers that once upon a time stood up for the little guy. No wonder so many people have zero trust in the media, believe politics is rigged, and fall prey to conspiracy theories.


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118 responses to “Rigging the Election Rules — Legally”

  1. “State legislators in Mississippi and New York are trying to require proof of citizenship when registering to vote, explicitly targeting noncitizens.”

    Wow. The NERVE of those people! How dare they try to keep non-citizens from voting in our elections.

    And:

    “In one particularly absurd example, Georgia Republicans want to require that absentee voters provide a photocopy of their ID two times throughout the voting process.”

    While that is a stupid proposal, if it represents a “particularly absurd” examples of “voter suppression” laws proposed, then I’d say we’re in pretty good shape as far as protecting the rights of voters. Don’t they have something a little more egregious?

    No matter how you try to spin it into a “republican voter suppression” effort, the fact remains that there there were 106 “voter suppression” laws proposed ( most of which are, in reality, simply trying to take things back to pre-pandemic requirements) and 406 “voter right expansion” laws proposed. And the categorizations are based on the “thumb on the scale” judgement of an obviously biased “news” source.

  2. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    https://amgreatness.com/2021/01/29/caught-with-their-hands-in-the-cookie-jar/

    Within the GOP the war rages, with those of us not screaming “the election was stolen!” under assault. There is a distinction, a fine one, between cheating (voting dead people, multiple votes by the same person, manipulating vote counts) and what the author above terms “rigging.” Passing a bunch of favorable new rules, to me, fits the second and that of course continues, as I’ve outlined here (and will again.) And he gets into the media bias, as well. But that has been part of the landscape for decades now.

    The National Popular Vote concept seems to be crashing and burning this session. Good. I’ve advised the opponents to keep their eyes open and hold the celebration until the session is really done.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Jesus, don’t you want some Kool-Aid with that?

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        Did you know that Ed Perkins, inventor of Kool Aid, originally sold it as a liquid concentrate known as Fruit Smack. According to Kraft Foods, current owner of Kool Aid brand, Jim Jones used a cheap knock off version of the powder.
        https://img2.mashed.com/img/gallery/the-untold-truth-of-kool-aid/it-wasnt-always-called-kool-aid-1558031511.jpg

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          I did know that about Jonestown. It was the crap my mother used to buy. It had Aid in the name too. Sad, if they had used Fizzies, most would have spit it out. Do you remember that stuff? Alka-Seltzer with the flavoring of a 10-year old Tums.

          On that subject, have you ever heard of Zotz candy? It had a flavored bicarb center. When you got to it your mouth filled with flavored foam… a lot of it.

          Used to keep it in my locker at high school. When the jocks harrassed us, I would hand them out.

          Still laugh at the reactions you could here two or three minutes later.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead V

            Never knew about Zotz candy. Reminds me of when I recommended Alka Seltzer to my Uncle Jim for a cold. He said he didn’t like it very much. He didn’t know the part about putting the tablets in water.

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Ha! Thank god they didn’t make a “delayed reaction” tablet. Better the attic than the basement.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      Jim is conflating – again.

      On the Chaffin thing, if the roles were reversed, the same thing would happen. Let’s fix it no matter what party the Gov is instead of partisan game playing.

      On the actual voting issue, if you talk to people who actually man the polls physically, like Steve, about how fraud could occur, I think you’ll find that it’s pretty darn difficult at least in the polls I’ve work in, in the past.

      Using the word Rig. Really?

      Virginia has allowed absentee ballots for years and this year they loosened the restrictions so if it was okay in years prior, what’s the problem now?

      I voted absentee and there were a number of safeguards in me getting that ballot. I’m okay with that and okay with it being the standard for all as long as we allow any/all to vote that way if they want to.

      The simple truth is that if everyone votes that can do so legally, the GOP will lose in a lot of places and that’s not because of voting “irregularities”, it’s because GOP has never really tried to win the votes of major constituencies. They fall back to the white guy every time.

      And now, the GOP has just plain blown up. Not only people like Amanda Chase but even folks like Whittman.

      Lies and conspiracy theories openly espoused by elected members of Congress and the Va GA.

    3. The Trumpistas made “election integrity” a running gag line with claims that the presidential election was “stolen,” and Democrats are taking full advantage of insanity on the Right to push their agenda for loosening election rules.


      People can joke all they want. Basing your opinion there was NOT widespread fraud without investigating it is wrong. I hope and pray Mr Trump uses this “trial” to share ALL the evidence to the world.

      An no, Naive, I am not drinking kool aid. You might look up a recipe for crow.

      Imagine if this were true, there was enough fraud to reverse the election results, without doubt. People are ignoring it because they are dishonest, or deadly afraid what can happen if it were true. If it is true and all the media and pundits and social media hacks have to acknowledge it, that will be a moment unparalleled in US history.

      How will that play out?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        ” Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”

        He insisted: “There’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            ” Republican governors in Arizona and Georgia together with Republican majorities in both chambers of the State Legislatures of five of the six battleground states –Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin2–have had both the power and the opportunity to investigate the six dimensions of election irregularities presented in this report. Yet, wilting under intense political pressure, these politicians have failed in their Constitutional duties and responsibilities to do so –and thereby failed both their states and this nation as well as their party.oBoth State courts and Federal courts, including the Supreme Court, have failed the American people in refusing to appropriately adjudicate the election irregularities that have come before them. Their failures pose a great risk to the American Republic”

            This is the problem with the GOP these days. They know this is going on and they are silent.

    4. This is REALLY BAD. Read this, please https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ Anyone that thinks there was no fraud, you want to read this.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        Looks like Molly Ball has written a confession. Long but interesting read.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Trump addressed the crowd that afternoon, peddling the lie that lawmakers or Vice President Mike Pence could reject states’ electoral votes. He told them to go to the Capitol and “fight like hell.” Then he returned to the White House as they sacked the building. As lawmakers fled for their lives and his own supporters were shot and trampled, Trump praised the rioters as “very special.”

          It was his final attack on democracy, and once again, it failed.

          1. I was there. I know only a handful of people were agitating. the VAST majority were peaceful, typical Trump rally people. No Trump rally needs agitators on bull horns trying to incite anger.

            Explain this …

            https://rumble.com/vdl4bt-exclusive-new-video-shows-late-night-deliveries-of-thousands-of-illegal-bal.html

            Here is consolidated report …https://peternavarro.com/the-navarro-report/

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Sure, I can explain it. You’re a Trumper. Subject to believing anything.

          3. That is your response? Did you read the report? Did you look at the video? I might claim you deny anything. That is degrading the exchange. At this point when facing evidence after claiming there was none you are going to respond with that? Let’s reconnect after the “trial” and hopefully things will have changed by then.

          4. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Show one piece of “evidence” that substantiates any claim by Navarro. Claims without evidence are best taken as a lie. Tossed by how many judges?

          5. You have as much hands on access to evidence as I do yet my statements are false where your are true? I give up on you Naive.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        That’s what you came away with — fraud?!

  3. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    https://amgreatness.com/2021/01/29/caught-with-their-hands-in-the-cookie-jar/

    Within the GOP the war rages, with those of us not screaming “the election was stolen!” under assault. There is a distinction, a fine one, between cheating (voting dead people, multiple votes by the same person, manipulating vote counts) and what the author above terms “rigging.” Passing a bunch of favorable new rules, to me, fits the second and that of course continues, as I’ve outlined here (and will again.) And he gets into the media bias, as well. But that has been part of the landscape for decades now.

    The National Popular Vote concept seems to be crashing and burning this session. Good. I’ve advised the opponents to keep their eyes open and hold the celebration until the session is really done.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Jim is conflating – again.

      On the Chaffin thing, if the roles were reversed, the same thing would happen. Let’s fix it no matter what party the Gov is instead of partisan game playing.

      On the actual voting issue, if you talk to people who actually man the polls physically, like Steve, about how fraud could occur, I think you’ll find that it’s pretty darn difficult at least in the polls I’ve work in, in the past.

      Using the word Rig. Really?

      Virginia has allowed absentee ballots for years and this year they loosened the restrictions so if it was okay in years prior, what’s the problem now?

      I voted absentee and there were a number of safeguards in me getting that ballot. I’m okay with that and okay with it being the standard for all as long as we allow any/all to vote that way if they want to.

      The simple truth is that if everyone votes that can do so legally, the GOP will lose in a lot of places and that’s not because of voting “irregularities”, it’s because GOP has never really tried to win the votes of major constituencies. They fall back to the white guy every time.

      And now, the GOP has just plain blown up. Not only people like Amanda Chase but even folks like Whittman.

      Lies and conspiracy theories openly espoused by elected members of Congress and the Va GA.

    2. The Trumpistas made “election integrity” a running gag line with claims that the presidential election was “stolen,” and Democrats are taking full advantage of insanity on the Right to push their agenda for loosening election rules.


      People can joke all they want. Basing your opinion there was NOT widespread fraud without investigating it is wrong. I hope and pray Mr Trump uses this “trial” to share ALL the evidence to the world.

      An no, Naive, I am not drinking kool aid. You might look up a recipe for crow.

      Imagine if this were true, there was enough fraud to reverse the election results, without doubt. People are ignoring it because they are dishonest, or deadly afraid what can happen if it were true. If it is true and all the media and pundits and social media hacks have to acknowledge it, that will be a moment unparalleled in US history.

      How will that play out?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        ” Trump said: “So look. All I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state.”

        He insisted: “There’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes.”

    3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Jesus, don’t you want some Kool-Aid with that?

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        Did you know that Ed Perkins, inventor of Kool Aid, originally sold it as a liquid concentrate known as Fruit Smack. According to Kraft Foods, current owner of Kool Aid brand, Jim Jones used a cheap knock off version of the powder.
        https://img2.mashed.com/img/gallery/the-untold-truth-of-kool-aid/it-wasnt-always-called-kool-aid-1558031511.jpg

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          I did know that about Jonestown. It was the crap my mother used to buy. It had Aid in the name too. Sad, if they had used Fizzies, most would have spit it out. Do you remember that stuff? Alka-Seltzer with the flavoring of a 10-year old Tums.

          On that subject, have you ever heard of Zotz candy? It had a flavored bicarb center. When you got to it your mouth filled with flavored foam… a lot of it.

          Used to keep it in my locker at high school. When the jocks harrassed us, I would hand them out.

          Still laugh at the reactions you could here two or three minutes later.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead V

            Never knew about Zotz candy. Reminds me of when I recommended Alka Seltzer to my Uncle Jim for a cold. He said he didn’t like it very much. He didn’t know the part about putting the tablets in water.

    4. This is REALLY BAD. Read this, please https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/ Anyone that thinks there was no fraud, you want to read this.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        That’s what you came away with — fraud?!

      2. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        Looks like Molly Ball has written a confession. Long but interesting read.

  4. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
    Eric the Half a Troll

    “Democrats want to ensure that every vote counts. They just don’t want to ensure that every Virginians (sic) gets to vote.”

    That may be your “bottom line” but you’ve provided no evidence to support that conclusion.

    Sorry, but making it easier for people to vote does not constitute vote fraud nor rigging.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      These guys drink their strychnine straight.

      In politics, project your weakness on the other guy.

    2. No evidence?

      The residents of the 28th senatorial district have no representative in the General Assembly this session. What more evidence do you want?

      1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
        Eric the Half a Troll

        Which has nothing to do with voting, vote rigging, not counting votes or voter fraud…

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Hush now. They’s trying to think!

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Nancy_Naive | February 1, 2021 at 12:22 pm | Reply
            Hush now. They’s trying to think!”

            There is in fact nothing to “think” about.

            1) Did a GA person perish before session begin? Yes
            2) Has a Special Election occurred to fill that vacant GA seat? No
            3) Is the GA in session? Yes
            4) Senate District 38’s 201,414 population is not currently being represented in the GA. There voices (votes) are not being currently counted.

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “Eric the Half a Troll | February 1, 2021 at 12:20 pm | Reply
          Which has nothing to do with voting, vote rigging, not counting votes or voter fraud…”

          Sure it does, there are currently 200k Virginians who elected an individual who is no longer with us, which negates their votes (voices not be counted) as that seat is still vacant and we are currently in session.

          So you can either be for “all votes matter” or you can just state your true opinion, that only votes that matter are determined by you.

          1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
            Eric the Half a Troll

            Sorry, you can not contend that Democrats using a procedural delay to their political benefit actually negated the votes of Republicans unless you also wish to contend that at least two of the last three SCOTUS appointments actually negated the votes of a majority of US voters on two separate occasions. I would not go so far but apparently you and JAB would.

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            I think Covid negated those votes.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Eric the Half a Troll | February 1, 2021 at 3:50 pm |
            Sorry, you can not contend that Democrats using a procedural delay to their political benefit actually negated the votes of Republicans unless you also wish to contend that at least two of the last three SCOTUS appointments actually negated the votes of a majority of US voters on two separate occasions. I would not go so far but apparently you and JAB would.”

            That analogy doesn’t work. There were no states deprived of their Senators being seated and thereby casting a vote in favor of or against a nominee to the Supreme Court.

            However, you’re whataboutism is noted and refuted with the fact it’s not applicable. You merely just proved my thesis, you only wish to count “all votes” when they align with your political ideology.

            Also, thanks for admitting you lost the point where you contented there was no evidence (it just didn’t meet your rigorous double standard).

          4. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
            Eric the Half a Troll

            Oh… I see… only Conservatives get to stretch analogies…. my comparison is as valid as the one you are trying to make. All states were denied the vote of their representative in the case of Merrick Garland and their current representative in the case of Barrett.

            Also, it is now you who need to work on reading comprehension. A. My citing Republican’s actions to refute your charge is not whataboutism as I specifically said it does not, imo, rise to the level of negating votes, B. Since I made that statement, I’ve ceded no point to the likes of you – I simply reject your argument that procedural delays are analogous to denying citizens the right to vote. But nice twist… “A” for effort!!

          5. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Eric the Half a Troll | February 1, 2021 at 6:38 pm |
            Oh… I see… only Conservatives get to stretch analogies…. my comparison is as valid as the one you are trying to make. All states were denied the vote of their representative in the case of Merrick Garland and their current representative in the case of Barrett.

            Also, it is now you who need to work on reading comprehension. A. My citing Republican’s actions to refute your charge is not whataboutism as I specifically said it does not, imo, rise to the level of negating votes, B. Since I made that statement, I’ve ceded no point to the likes of you – I simply reject your argument that procedural delays are analogous to denying citizens the right to vote. But nice twist… “A” for effort!!”

            Stretch analogies? Your “example” can’t even be considered and analogy, that would’ve required it to meet 1 of the 5 types, which is does not now nor will it ever. Your comparison is bollocks.

            “All states were denied the vote of their representative in the case of Merrick Garland and their current representative in the case of Barrett.”

            Umm that’s a prime example of you wanting it both ways, which I’d surmise given your other arguments (you didn’t catch that).

            You didn’t refute anything, you made a “whataboutism” statement. It’s a definitive tu quoque fallacy.

            I’ve ceded no point to the likes of you – I simply reject your argument that procedural delays are analogous to denying citizens the right to vote. But nice twist… “A” for effort!!”

            Interesting the, the likes of me? You mean the person who dismantled your statements and proved I knew what you were going to say before you said it?

            Your act is old tired and frankly no very well researched, I shall call you “mushroom”.

          6. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
            Eric the Half a Troll

            Applying your argument to other circumstances to point out its absurdity (which is what I did – note the term “I would not go so far” as proof) is not tu quoque. I am not pointing out your hypocrisy, I am pointing out that your argument is invalid.

            Really, you need to read and think a bit more before you type.

          7. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Eric the Half a Troll | February 2, 2021 at 4:50 pm |
            Applying your argument to other circumstances to point out its absurdity (which is what I did – note the term “I would not go so far” as proof) is not tu quoque. I am not pointing out your hypocrisy, I am pointing out that your argument is invalid.

            Really, you need to read and think a bit more before you type.”

            Merely because you find an argument invalid doesn’t make it so. Try harder.

    3. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Well, Eric, it certainly can facilitate fraud. Mass mailing ballots to all RV households, without a request, basically guarantees a supply of valid ballots floating around to be put to inappropriate use. Not requiring a postmark allows intentional late voting or even pulling absentees out of a drawer to change a count. Not requiring a witness signature makes is easier to, for example, go vote harvesting in a nursing home with one person doing all the paperwork (something you’d catch if that one person signed as the witness on 20 ballots.) As to Jim’s comment about “not wanting every VA to vote” I think he is talking about the slow effort to fill that open Senate seat, which has been pretty obvious.

      And of course if you really do away with any ID requirement (which Virginia has not done) it does make it easier to vote in the name of somebody already on the rolls, somebody you may know will not be showing up in person (traveling, etc.) That concerns me less.

      Motor Voter has let plenty of non-citizens get on the voter rolls, not always intentionally. It is hard to NOT register to vote while getting your license or registration.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        They’re signed, right? What was the result of GA’s audit of mail-in ballots and signature authentication?

        Did Virginia do an audit?

        Maybe you could reference some evidence? Any will do. Trump couldn’t in some 50 out of 50 attempts.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          the basic problem is that the GOP does not want the votes…and they got a gazillion reasons why… 😉

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “They’re signed, right? What was the result of GA’s audit of mail-in ballots and signature authentication?”

          Georgia did a hand recount, they didn’t do a signature match.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Your article is about Cobb County and only 15,118 absentee-ballots. I don’t know if you’re aware of that this but 150,000 people voted by mail in Cobb County in 2020.

            My comment doesn’t say anything nefarious happened, it just indicates that your statement wasn’t completely honest (I suspect you knew that though).

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            You might have said, “Wow, I did not know that they did any signature audits of the mail-in ballots. Thank you for that FACT.” But, expections, as per past performance, were not let down.

            That a highly trained engineer is doubting the results of long-proven statistical process/quality control methods is disheartening, but then given who it is, it is not surprising.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Nancy_Naive | February 2, 2021 at 8:13 am |
            You might have said, “Wow, I did not know that they did any signature audits of the mail-in ballots. Thank you for that FACT.” But, expections, as per past performance, were not let down.

            That a highly trained engineer is doubting the results of long-proven statistical process/quality control methods is disheartening, but then given who it is, it is not surprising.”

            Lovely snark.

            However, I don’t think of myself so lofty. I’m not you.

            I do know that what you described and I quote “long-proven statistical process/quality control methods” is not that because there isn’t enough information on the sample, sample size, mean, standard deviation , distribution method and confidence interval to make such a statement.

            Here I thought you were a mathematician, guess you can’t believe what internet posters say afterall.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Do we do signature matches on absentee ballots?

          5. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            “However, I don’t think of myself so lofty.”

            Yes, denying FACTS, or the method, is not “lofty”. On that we agree.

            The sample and population sizes are as stated. The result on the binary pass/fail inspection for that 1 in 10 for a confident level of 99% produces a confidence interval on the result of 0.0019%. Basically, you’re looking at finding a maximum of around 148 fraudulent (1/2 the interval) in the total population of 150,000, but that’s the extreme error. The likely number is more around 14 to 18.

            The big danger is extrapolating that to the State. However, given that Cobb is typical, such would produce a likely number of total fraudulent votes at around 200.

            Sill, I’ll grant you, Cobb mightn’t be typical.

          6. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Yes, denying FACTS, or the method, is not “lofty”. On that we agree.”

            I didn’t deny facts or method of anything.

            You’ll have to elaborate on “binary pass/fail inspection” as it’s not been discussed in any engineering quality control or statistics class I’ve ever taken.

            Nor is what you described seen in any of the papers discussing election auditing. It’s not about Cobb being typical, rather it should represent equal size to the others. In this case Cobb is not, it’s the smallest county.

    4. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “The 200,000 citizens of Virginia’s 38th senatorial district who have no one to represent them in the General Assembly this year can vouch to that.”

      The waiting to hold a special election till after session is tantamount to removing those 200k Virginians votes.

      I don’t think you read very hard.

      1. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        The “crossover” deadline is Friday and the official date for Sine Die is next Thursday. Clearly this session will be extended. The rules now say that a bill which has passed one house only, but has not been acted on in the second house, just rolls over into the extended “special session.” Yet odds are it will all be done well before that Senate seat is filled in late March.

        A February election would have had the seat filled for part of this, at least.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          While I’m sure that singular vote won’t amount to much in the way of legislation, it sure flies in the fact of those who’s battle cry is that “all votes count”.

          Vote must be equal, but some must be more equal.

    5. Make it easy, yes. Can we agree only one vote per legally registered voter? If not then charging “suppression” means anyone can vote as many times as they like. They can hire a printer to print thousands. Can we agree all votes must be in by election day? Not, “I was thinking about it on election day” Not “how many do I need to send in to get candidate X a win?” Can we agree each vote counts as one vote? If not then my vote is 0,75 and your vote is 1.25. Can we agree you must vote in the location you are registered?
      Not my old address from a year ago, and three years ago. Can we agree you must be alive to vote? Not accepting votes from ghosts. If we can’t agree on these points we are done.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        “Can we agree each vote counts as one vote? If not then my vote is 0,75 and your vote is 1.25.”

        Well, that’s the Electoral College… where a Wyoming vote is 4 and a California vote is 1.

        1. Dominion voting machine.

  5. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
    Eric the Half a Troll

    “Democrats want to ensure that every vote counts. They just don’t want to ensure that every Virginians (sic) gets to vote.”

    That may be your “bottom line” but you’ve provided no evidence to support that conclusion.

    Sorry, but making it easier for people to vote does not constitute vote fraud nor rigging.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      These guys drink their strychnine straight.

      In politics, project your weakness on the other guy.

    2. No evidence?

      The residents of the 28th senatorial district have no representative in the General Assembly this session. What more evidence do you want?

      1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
        Eric the Half a Troll

        Which has nothing to do with voting, vote rigging, not counting votes or voter fraud…

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Hush now. They’s trying to think!

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Nancy_Naive | February 1, 2021 at 12:22 pm | Reply
            Hush now. They’s trying to think!”

            There is in fact nothing to “think” about.

            1) Did a GA person perish before session begin? Yes
            2) Has a Special Election occurred to fill that vacant GA seat? No
            3) Is the GA in session? Yes
            4) Senate District 38’s 201,414 population is not currently being represented in the GA. There voices (votes) are not being currently counted.

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “Eric the Half a Troll | February 1, 2021 at 12:20 pm | Reply
          Which has nothing to do with voting, vote rigging, not counting votes or voter fraud…”

          Sure it does, there are currently 200k Virginians who elected an individual who is no longer with us, which negates their votes (voices not be counted) as that seat is still vacant and we are currently in session.

          So you can either be for “all votes matter” or you can just state your true opinion, that only votes that matter are determined by you.

          1. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
            Eric the Half a Troll

            Oh… I see… only Conservatives get to stretch analogies…. my comparison is as valid as the one you are trying to make. All states were denied the vote of their representative in the case of Merrick Garland and their current representative in the case of Barrett.

            Also, it is now you who need to work on reading comprehension. A. My citing Republican’s actions to refute your charge is not whataboutism as I specifically said it does not, imo, rise to the level of negating votes, B. Since I made that statement, I’ve ceded no point to the likes of you – I simply reject your argument that procedural delays are analogous to denying citizens the right to vote. But nice twist… “A” for effort!!

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Eric the Half a Troll | February 1, 2021 at 3:50 pm |
            Sorry, you can not contend that Democrats using a procedural delay to their political benefit actually negated the votes of Republicans unless you also wish to contend that at least two of the last three SCOTUS appointments actually negated the votes of a majority of US voters on two separate occasions. I would not go so far but apparently you and JAB would.”

            That analogy doesn’t work. There were no states deprived of their Senators being seated and thereby casting a vote in favor of or against a nominee to the Supreme Court.

            However, you’re whataboutism is noted and refuted with the fact it’s not applicable. You merely just proved my thesis, you only wish to count “all votes” when they align with your political ideology.

            Also, thanks for admitting you lost the point where you contented there was no evidence (it just didn’t meet your rigorous double standard).

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Eric the Half a Troll | February 1, 2021 at 6:38 pm |
            Oh… I see… only Conservatives get to stretch analogies…. my comparison is as valid as the one you are trying to make. All states were denied the vote of their representative in the case of Merrick Garland and their current representative in the case of Barrett.

            Also, it is now you who need to work on reading comprehension. A. My citing Republican’s actions to refute your charge is not whataboutism as I specifically said it does not, imo, rise to the level of negating votes, B. Since I made that statement, I’ve ceded no point to the likes of you – I simply reject your argument that procedural delays are analogous to denying citizens the right to vote. But nice twist… “A” for effort!!”

            Stretch analogies? Your “example” can’t even be considered and analogy, that would’ve required it to meet 1 of the 5 types, which is does not now nor will it ever. Your comparison is bollocks.

            “All states were denied the vote of their representative in the case of Merrick Garland and their current representative in the case of Barrett.”

            Umm that’s a prime example of you wanting it both ways, which I’d surmise given your other arguments (you didn’t catch that).

            You didn’t refute anything, you made a “whataboutism” statement. It’s a definitive tu quoque fallacy.

            I’ve ceded no point to the likes of you – I simply reject your argument that procedural delays are analogous to denying citizens the right to vote. But nice twist… “A” for effort!!”

            Interesting the, the likes of me? You mean the person who dismantled your statements and proved I knew what you were going to say before you said it?

            Your act is old tired and frankly no very well researched, I shall call you “mushroom”.

          4. Eric the Half a Troll Avatar
            Eric the Half a Troll

            Applying your argument to other circumstances to point out its absurdity (which is what I did – note the term “I would not go so far” as proof) is not tu quoque. I am not pointing out your hypocrisy, I am pointing out that your argument is invalid.

            Really, you need to read and think a bit more before you type.

          5. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Eric the Half a Troll | February 2, 2021 at 4:50 pm |
            Applying your argument to other circumstances to point out its absurdity (which is what I did – note the term “I would not go so far” as proof) is not tu quoque. I am not pointing out your hypocrisy, I am pointing out that your argument is invalid.

            Really, you need to read and think a bit more before you type.”

            Merely because you find an argument invalid doesn’t make it so. Try harder.

    3. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Well, Eric, it certainly can facilitate fraud. Mass mailing ballots to all RV households, without a request, basically guarantees a supply of valid ballots floating around to be put to inappropriate use. Not requiring a postmark allows intentional late voting or even pulling absentees out of a drawer to change a count. Not requiring a witness signature makes is easier to, for example, go vote harvesting in a nursing home with one person doing all the paperwork (something you’d catch if that one person signed as the witness on 20 ballots.) As to Jim’s comment about “not wanting every VA to vote” I think he is talking about the slow effort to fill that open Senate seat, which has been pretty obvious.

      And of course if you really do away with any ID requirement (which Virginia has not done) it does make it easier to vote in the name of somebody already on the rolls, somebody you may know will not be showing up in person (traveling, etc.) That concerns me less.

      Motor Voter has let plenty of non-citizens get on the voter rolls, not always intentionally. It is hard to NOT register to vote while getting your license or registration.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        They’re signed, right? What was the result of GA’s audit of mail-in ballots and signature authentication?

        Did Virginia do an audit?

        Maybe you could reference some evidence? Any will do. Trump couldn’t in some 50 out of 50 attempts.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          the basic problem is that the GOP does not want the votes…and they got a gazillion reasons why… 😉

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “They’re signed, right? What was the result of GA’s audit of mail-in ballots and signature authentication?”

          Georgia did a hand recount, they didn’t do a signature match.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Your article is about Cobb County and only 15,118 absentee-ballots. I don’t know if you’re aware of that this but 150,000 people voted by mail in Cobb County in 2020.

            My comment doesn’t say anything nefarious happened, it just indicates that your statement wasn’t completely honest (I suspect you knew that though).

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            You might have said, “Wow, I did not know that they did any signature audits of the mail-in ballots. Thank you for that FACT.” But, expections, as per past performance, were not let down.

            That a highly trained engineer is doubting the results of long-proven statistical process/quality control methods is disheartening, but then given who it is, it is not surprising.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Nancy_Naive | February 2, 2021 at 8:13 am |
            You might have said, “Wow, I did not know that they did any signature audits of the mail-in ballots. Thank you for that FACT.” But, expections, as per past performance, were not let down.

            That a highly trained engineer is doubting the results of long-proven statistical process/quality control methods is disheartening, but then given who it is, it is not surprising.”

            Lovely snark.

            However, I don’t think of myself so lofty. I’m not you.

            I do know that what you described and I quote “long-proven statistical process/quality control methods” is not that because there isn’t enough information on the sample, sample size, mean, standard deviation , distribution method and confidence interval to make such a statement.

            Here I thought you were a mathematician, guess you can’t believe what internet posters say afterall.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Do we do signature matches on absentee ballots?

          5. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            “However, I don’t think of myself so lofty.”

            Yes, denying FACTS, or the method, is not “lofty”. On that we agree.

            The sample and population sizes are as stated. The result on the binary pass/fail inspection for that 1 in 10 for a confident level of 99% produces a confidence interval on the result of 0.0019%. Basically, you’re looking at finding a maximum of around 148 fraudulent (1/2 the interval) in the total population of 150,000, but that’s the extreme error. The likely number is more around 14 to 18.

            The big danger is extrapolating that to the State. However, given that Cobb is typical, such would produce a likely number of total fraudulent votes at around 200.

            Sill, I’ll grant you, Cobb mightn’t be typical.

          6. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Yes, denying FACTS, or the method, is not “lofty”. On that we agree.”

            I didn’t deny facts or method of anything.

            You’ll have to elaborate on “binary pass/fail inspection” as it’s not been discussed in any engineering quality control or statistics class I’ve ever taken.

            Nor is what you described seen in any of the papers discussing election auditing. It’s not about Cobb being typical, rather it should represent equal size to the others. In this case Cobb is not, it’s the smallest county.

    4. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “The 200,000 citizens of Virginia’s 38th senatorial district who have no one to represent them in the General Assembly this year can vouch to that.”

      The waiting to hold a special election till after session is tantamount to removing those 200k Virginians votes.

      I don’t think you read very hard.

      1. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        The “crossover” deadline is Friday and the official date for Sine Die is next Thursday. Clearly this session will be extended. The rules now say that a bill which has passed one house only, but has not been acted on in the second house, just rolls over into the extended “special session.” Yet odds are it will all be done well before that Senate seat is filled in late March.

        A February election would have had the seat filled for part of this, at least.

    5. Make it easy, yes. Can we agree only one vote per legally registered voter? If not then charging “suppression” means anyone can vote as many times as they like. They can hire a printer to print thousands. Can we agree all votes must be in by election day? Not, “I was thinking about it on election day” Not “how many do I need to send in to get candidate X a win?” Can we agree each vote counts as one vote? If not then my vote is 0,75 and your vote is 1.25. Can we agree you must vote in the location you are registered?
      Not my old address from a year ago, and three years ago. Can we agree you must be alive to vote? Not accepting votes from ghosts. If we can’t agree on these points we are done.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        “Can we agree each vote counts as one vote? If not then my vote is 0,75 and your vote is 1.25.”

        Well, that’s the Electoral College… where a Wyoming vote is 4 and a California vote is 1.

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Mr. Bacon I am so glad that you covered the case of Thomas Reed. I thought it was a very interesting case. It demonstrates that if individual citizens want to challenge election practices that break the law, those individuals indeed do have a legal remedy. Somebody needs to uncover why the Virginia Election Board issued guidance knowing it violated state law. Are there any consequences? On the side, Creigh Deeds needs to shave that beard. Some people were meant to shave.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      probably true for most women also, eh?

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        Don’t say that to the dwarves.

  7. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    Mr. Bacon I am so glad that you covered the case of Thomas Reed. I thought it was a very interesting case. It demonstrates that if individual citizens want to challenge election practices that break the law, those individuals indeed do have a legal remedy. Somebody needs to uncover why the Virginia Election Board issued guidance knowing it violated state law. Are there any consequences? On the side, Creigh Deeds needs to shave that beard. Some people were meant to shave.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      probably true for most women also, eh?

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        Don’t say that to the dwarves.

  8. Regarding mail in voting — it is now UNACCEPTABLE according to the new God – Amazon!

    debate over!

  9. Regarding mail in voting — it is now UNACCEPTABLE according to the new God – Amazon!

    debate over!

  10. If you don’t believe there was massive election fraud, of course any regulation will be labeled suppression. Did you read that document? Did you watch the video?

    Do you really think any attempt to fix the election laws is suppression?

    This exchange is not going well, know this, the fraud will be proven, it is not going away without being fixed.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead V

      What about the New York Times data feed from election night? I know a lot of people who are convinced the Virginia vote was stolen electronically on election night. They are convinced this is proof. They believe that at 11 p.m. the former president leading 52% to current president 46% with 3.3 million votes cast out of a total of 4.4 million. After 11p.m. the allegation is that votes were taken from one candidate and added to the other. The remaining individual small batch totals were exactly 54% D and 44% R.

      I personally don’t believe this. I think a late surge came from the populated cities and suburban counties that vote reliably for Democrats. These are regions that always seem to be the last to finish counting votes due to volume. It seems in past elections this is the way the Virginia vote winds down. But like I said, there are thousands of people who convinced it was stolen by machine and software. This is important. It will shape confidence in future elections. Perception might be as important as reality in this election. What is your take on this?

      1. How do you account for locations that had more votes than voters? Have you seen the video of ballots being scanned multiple times? Absentee ballots with no creases for folding in a mailed out ballot? Read the document, get the evidence then get back to me.

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead V

          I read the Navarro report. I watched the video. Evidence. The word is derived from the latin root evedentia. Obvious to the mind. I see a body of evidence you are referring to. You believe that the body of evidence demonstrates the fraud described is valid. It is not proof until a judge says that the body of facts that the proposition is valid. Why have we not seen case after case in Virginia? Why have we not seen a judge rule on this? We have the Thomas Reed case in Virginia. That demonstrates to me that courts are listening and ruling when the burden of production of evidence and the burden of persuasion are met. Your reaction?

          1. Im not a lawyer. I see no court has even let this case into the court. A court has to view the evidence, not just reject it blindly. Im not alone. Imagine if this is true, wouldn’t you want to know that?

        2. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead V

          You feel strongly about this. I know you are not alone. I come across folks everyday who tell me about this. You ought to take it to court and see what happens. You never know until you try. Thomas Reed won his case. Until a judge rules that the alleged fraud is real and valid I remain skeptical. Good exchange. I appreciate that. I have been trying to understand where folks like you are coming from.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Even Forbes calls the Navarro report dubious. But you are right, until he and his report are placed before a court of law, it will still be widely believed by those who will not accept evidence to the contrary… even still.
            https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2020/12/17/white-house-advisor-peter-navarro-releases-dubious-voter-fraud-report/?sh=6f08e8371205

          2. The issue will also be denied until it is examined. Why is half the country trying to hide it if there is nothing wrong?

            I am fearful what will happen if this proves to be true. I am also fearful of what will happen if it is ignored.

            It is not good either way.

          3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Two words: Bill Barr

          4. Barr never investigated. I am fearful of what will happen if this is true. I am fearful of what might happen if this is ignored. It is a wound that will never heal. I am not alone in that fear. If you pause and honestly considered the potential outcomes you may agree. I believe courts are reluctant to step in to election questions. If they agree with the complaint, then what? They really have no remedy. I believe deep down many, including Barr, realize the consequences. Barr full understood the potential for fraud. See his interview on CNN with Wolf Blitzer.”AG Barr: Mail-in voting is ‘playing with fire’” https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/09/02/bill-barr-intv-playing-with-fire-absentee-mail-in-voting-election-tsr-sot-vpx.cnn

            What happened to Barr? He did no investigation. He understands the problem and the remedy will disturb the very foundation of this country. I believe those beliefs the remedy is worse than the disease will cause many to look the other way. They assume if it is ignored, the people will just quietly cave in. This why the election topic never gets traction to get fixed. I believe others that fear the remedy and the implications can and are putting imense pressure on anyone that wants this addressed. I believe this time things are different and it will be exposed and fixed. I am not alone in these opinions.

          5. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead V

            If the election fraud occurred on the scale that is alleged it would be the greatest caper in American history. I have a hard time believing that those behind this scale of fraud could keep a lid on it. If this indeed happened there will be too many fissures and the dam will break. Your fear is correct in that it would rock the very foundation of the nation. On the other hand if the alleged fraud did not occur the damage has still been done to the trust of 75 million voters in the process of elections. That damage and distrust must be addressed. How that is accomplished is anyone’s best guess.

          6. Yes, the damage has been done. This time unlike any in the past the people 75 million of them, or more, have someone that fights for them. [[How many politicians keep their promises? How many people buck the system? How many politicians would take on big pharms and win? Prescription drug prices will fall – unless the new president reverses it. But back to the topic, ]] The scheme is so profound that the lid as you say has been kept on it. The lid has been kept on it for several possible reasons, fear it is true, knowledge it is true, blinding rage about Trump that anything he says is false, bias unlike anything in history, or pressure from the swamp. If there is no news coverage does that make it false? In years past, when we trusted the media, if you saw something you believed it or if you didn’t hear something, it never happened. That is not true anymore. Yes, the damage has been done by either the cheating, or the false claims of fraud.

  11. If you don’t believe there was massive election fraud, of course any regulation will be labeled suppression. Did you read that document? Did you watch the video?

    Do you really think any attempt to fix the election laws is suppression?

    This exchange is not going well, know this, the fraud will be proven, it is not going away without being fixed.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead V

      What about the New York Times data feed from election night? I know a lot of people who are convinced the Virginia vote was stolen electronically on election night. They are convinced this is proof. They believe that at 11 p.m. the former president leading 52% to current president 46% with 3.3 million votes cast out of a total of 4.4 million. After 11p.m. the allegation is that votes were taken from one candidate and added to the other. The remaining individual small batch totals were exactly 54% D and 44% R.

      I personally don’t believe this. I think a late surge came from the populated cities and suburban counties that vote reliably for Democrats. These are regions that always seem to be the last to finish counting votes due to volume. It seems in past elections this is the way the Virginia vote winds down. But like I said, there are thousands of people who convinced it was stolen by machine and software. This is important. It will shape confidence in future elections. Perception might be as important as reality in this election. What is your take on this?

      1. How do you account for locations that had more votes than voters? Have you seen the video of ballots being scanned multiple times? Absentee ballots with no creases for folding in a mailed out ballot? Read the document, get the evidence then get back to me.

  12. Paul Sweet Avatar
    Paul Sweet

    Mail-in balloting should be subject to the same rules as absentee balloting, and absentee balloting should be allowed whether or not you have an acceptable excuse not to vote in person. Absentee ballots should be mailed far enough in advance of election day to arrive by election day.

  13. Paul Sweet Avatar
    Paul Sweet

    Mail-in balloting should be subject to the same rules as absentee balloting, and absentee balloting should be allowed whether or not you have an acceptable excuse not to vote in person. Absentee ballots should be mailed far enough in advance of election day to arrive by election day.

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