Ready for Taxes on Netflix, NFL Sunday Ticket?

By Steve Haner

After a month of unproductive political theater, Virginia’s leaders will finally sit down like adults and negotiate the budget. Better late than never.  The message is “everything is back on the table,” which leaves the door wide open for the tax increase central to the Democrat’s demands. That deserves a quick no.

At this point, Virginians do not pay sales tax on their Netflix, Disney, or sports streaming package subscriptions. That is what they want to tax now. If you just paid an online vendor to file a tax return, next year a sales tax of up to 6 or 7% will be added to that bill. Likewise, any annual subscription for Microsoft Office or One Drive storage, or for an internet security system, will be taxed.

Substack will be taxed. Some online news and opinion streaming options will probably be protected by the exemption for newspapers, but others will not. That will be a fun dispute for the Tax Department to broker, one of many new rules to work out.

Did you pay to play that new movie on Amazon using bill credits you had built up? Will tax be added to that, as well? Or will the entire Prime membership trigger a tax? The whole idea is rife with questions and unintended consequences, even more so for the application of the tax to digital goods and services in the business realm.  Taxing business purchases produces the big revenue.

At this point, the General Assembly members on both sides of the aisle are under the impression that few voters or business owners care about this proposed $1-2 billion expansion of the sales tax. It was part of a larger sales and income tax package that Governor Glenn Youngkin (R) proposed, which he combined into a net tax cut. The Democrats abandoned the tax cut portion and grabbed the sales tax with both hands, expanding it to the business taxpayers.

Between the regular session’s conclusion in March and this week’s reconvened session for considering vetoes and amendments, Virginians were largely silent on this digital sales tax expansion proposal. The phones were instead ringing about the proposals on gambling machines in convenience stores, and the bills granting local governments the option to propose higher local sales taxes.

Silence implies consent, but perhaps the silence was due to ignorance. People simply do not know what is proposed and which of their monthly bills will suddenly be taxed. With most other contentious issues from the session settled, more public focus on taxes is possible.

It would be helpful if some legislative panel convened a hearing, with both expert analysis and an opportunity for public comment, to raise some awareness of the impact. We need some independent data on how we would compare with other states. The nuances for the business taxpayers conducting transactions across state lines, or combining goods and services in one transaction, demand explanations.

Such a hearing would be helpful, but sadly is unlikely to happen.

Governor Youngkin successfully developed an amended budget that came close, close enough for government work, to the spending levels of the Assembly-passed version. He avoided the need for tax hikes in part by moving some capital projects to debt funding to release some cash, and by tapping into some non-general fund reserves. During the April 17 Kumbaya news conference on starting real budget talks, Democrats finally admitted his version and theirs were “close.”

Democrats could now start the budget negotiating process by keeping all that cash maneuvering of Youngkin’s version and still pushing for the $1-2 billion sales tax expansion. That could result in a budget even larger than the previous Assembly-approved version.

Governor Youngkin’s initial proposal to expand the sales tax and lower the income tax at the same time, increasing reliance on consumption taxes, has merit. But his income tax proposal was too easy to demonize as a tax break for the wealthy, and tax reform had no wind in its sails because it was not an issue during the 2023 elections. Too little advance work was done on the package before he sprang it as a surprise in December, along with an even more improbable car tax cut.

Tax cuts were a big GOP issue in 2021, one Republicans won with, and that led to great success for taxpayers in Youngkin’s first two years. Democrats were trying this year to reverse Youngkin’s tax cuts with a multi-pronged strategy. The digital sales tax, the payroll tax to cover their proposed workplace leave benefit, and the local option sales tax added up to about $4-5 billion a year in higher taxes, all three of them guaranteed to blossom over time with inflation.

The money people saved because the sales tax on groceries has been reduced, for example, would be returned to the state in the tax on digital items and services.  Now is the wrong time to hit families with higher costs. Inflation is still ravaging family and business budgets. Virginia electricity bills are rising to chase dreams of renewable energy. Also on electricity bills, the Democrats are bound to push again to use the budget to revive the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative carbon tax, ultimately paid by consumers.

Balanced tax reform, even if revenue-neutral, must come from a bipartisan consensus. Accepting higher taxes in this budget simply to boost spending, especially a sales tax expansion the public does not know about and understand, would prevent a more comprehensive approach down the line.  What makes sense is starting that process to find a bipartisan bill for 2025.

For now, the budget that emerges when the Assembly returns in May needs to depend on current tax rules only.

First published this morning by the Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy.


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35 responses to “Ready for Taxes on Netflix, NFL Sunday Ticket?”

  1. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Certainly whatever Bacon is paying to WordPress for this blog and his Jefferson Council platforms would become subject to sales tax. What other examples are out there people haven’t brought up?

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      $20 / month to OpenAI for the right to access ChatGPT-4 Turbo.

      License costs for TurboTax.

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Oh well. Gotta make up for billionaire tax breaks somehow. Got expenses, need revenue. Whachagonnado?

  3. The whole idea is rife with questions and unintended consequences

    …which no one in the GA has even made an attempt to answer, analyze, or understand.

  4. Irene Leech Avatar
    Irene Leech

    Public hearing with presentations about the facts is a great suggestion. Like you, I doubt it will happen. We need to treat localities the same with local sales tax and the current situation favors just a few. Virginia doesn’t need to be in the first wave of new consumption taxes.

  5. Matt Adams Avatar
    Matt Adams

    As I’ve stated before, once the Government institutes a tax they aren’t giving it up. So the idea that they would give up one source of revenue to allow for another was preposterous.

    Their care isn’t for the people of Virginia, it’s for the pockets.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      This can still be derailed, which is why I keep bringing it up. But I worry the business community will quietly protect its interests, but nobody will push back for the average consumers. The MSM isn’t going to make any effort to inform people this is hanging out there.

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Yahoo! More taxes for the Scott/Lucas Donkey Relief Fund.

  7. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    I find it frustrating that our politicians never make the case for why the state needs more money. If anything, per capita spending should be going down, not up (after adjusting for inflation). Example: A driver in Virginia used to have to visit the DMV for almost every transaction. Now, you can perform many of the transactions online. Where are the savings from that automation? Government school enrollment is falling. Fewer students means fewer teachers, and, eventually, fewer schools. Where are the savings from that? More and more driving (at least in NoVa) is tolled. More tolls, less need for road taxes to maintain the roads. where are the savings from that?

  8. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “Read my lips…” Oh ye of little imagination.

  9. The whole idea is rife with questions and unintended consequences

    …which no one in the GA has even made an attempt to answer, analyze, or understand.

  10. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    The Governor is supposed to be smart, so now we will see if he has learned anything about finding common ground.
    The digital tax should be a non-starter and should not be exchanged for any kind of tax cut because cuts can be rescinded by the next GA but new taxes will live on.
    The claim that tax cuts enrich the wealthy is just a load of horse puckey. Data from the National Tax Union and the Tax Foundation clearly show that the top 1%, 5%, or 10 percent have been paying an increased percentage of taxes while the lowest 10% or 40% have been paying a declining percentage.
    A little honesty on economic data would go a long way!

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      That is because the wealth of the top ten percent has significantly increased much faster than the wealth of the lowest 40 percent. https://www.cbo.gov/publication/57598

      1. William O'Keefe Avatar
        William O’Keefe

        I was talking about taxes paid; not wealth. My point about tax cuts for the wealthy still stands. It is very, very misleading.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          So how doesn’t it enrich them?
          Or is not a penny saved, a penny earned? Of course, I question Ben’s definition of “earned”.

          1. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O’Keefe

            And, your point is? This seems to be a case as the Aussies would say of the Kangaroos loose in the top paddock.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Your accounting reminds me of the three men who checked into the motel. The clerk demanded $30 for the room and they each ponied up $10. Later, feeling guilty for gouging, the clerk summoned the bellhop, gave him $5 and said, “Give this to the guys in Room 10.” On his way to the room, the bellhop realized he might not get a tip, so he pocketed $2 giving the men only $3 which they divvied up. So, $9 each for the room is $27 and the $2 the bellhop kept is $29. Where’s the othe $1?

            Yeah, I paid more in taxes than I did last year, but I made a helluva lot more money.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar

            We made more but paid less. Curiously, indexing for inflation went up more than our income. Whoda guessed it?

        2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          They are paying an increased percentage of the taxes because their percentage of the wealth is increasing.

          1. William O'Keefe Avatar
            William O’Keefe

            But the amount of taxes paid has to be going up more for the percentage to be increasing. The fact remains that the top income groups pay the lions share of taxes and the lower income groups pay a decreasing share.

  11. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    From a political and budget junkie’s viewpoint, the current situation is fascinating. It is totally unprecedented. Even the process they end up using will have to be developed anew. And the process used will be important; it will shape the final product.

    From the initial rhetoric, it would seem that the Governor and his budget folks are going to sit down with the General Assembly money committee leaders and staff and negotiate a budget–sort of a two-branch conference committee.

    Are the Democrats in the General Assembly really going to negotiate with Youngkin? They don’t seem to be in a mood to negotiate or compromise.

    Youngkin wasted his best chance to negotiate. Instead of traveling the state trashing the Democrats and their “backwards budget”, he could have been meeting with the legislators and staffs trying to find a compromise. What he finally presented was somewhat of a compromise, but one on his terms, not negotiated terms. Of course, the Democrats were so mad about about his campaigning and his unprecedented number of vetoes that they seemed unwilling to even talk to him about the budget when he suggested it toward the end of the interim.

    The governor and his staff should read Bacon’s Rebellion more often and heed Mr. Haner’s advice. Instead of talking about a “backwards budget” and tax increases in general terms, if he instead had said, “They want to tax your Netflix subscription!”, “They want to tax your Prime subscription and your ESPN bundle!”, he probably would have gotten more public reaction and involvement.

    I expect that the budget produced by the special session will differ little from the one the legislature passed at the end of the regular session. It may even be worse, from the Governor’s perspective. Then Youngkin will be faced with the same dilemma as before–veto the whole budget bill, send down a wheelbarrow full of amenments, hold his nose and sign it, or let it go into effect without his signature. There will be less time before the beginning of the next fiscal biennium and doing anything less than enabling the budget to go into effect risks unknown fiscal consequences. And Republicans will rue the day if the Commonwealth loses its AAA bond rating with a Republican in the governor’s office.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Perhaps. I think the only real hang up is the digital tax, and if that goes away agreeing on a budget falls into place. The Youngkin 2.0 really was very close to the Assembly-approved version. The RGGI issue also remains, but the outline of the general budget does not hang on that at all. Should that money reappear it is spoken for.

      We’ll see.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Perhaps. I think the only real hang up is the digital tax, and if that goes away agreeing on a budget falls into place. The Youngkin 2.0 really was very close to the Assembly-approved version. The RGGI issue also remains, but the outline of the general budget does not hang on that at all. Should that money reappear it is spoken for.

      We’ll see.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        If they have cooled off some and decide they would like to avoid a headon confrontation, the Democrats could employ a strategy that was not available during the reconvened session when they could only deal with the governor’s amendments on a “yes” or “no” basis. This strategy would involve forgetting about the digital sales tax and using, instead, the money the governor freed up with moves such as using debt rather than cash for capital projects and combine that with additional funding freed up by eliminating the money the governor would have included for his priorities. The resultant pot of money could be used for the highest Democratic priorities which they feel the governor unreasonably reduced, such as poorer school divisions. Youngkin could send it back with amendments re-arranging some of the spending, which the GA would reject. Youngkin would then be hard pressed to veto the entire budget.

  12. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Yes, Virginia, that dirty ol’ man will have to wait until you turn 18 now. No religious exceptions.

  13. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Yes, Virginia, that dirty ol’ man will have to wait until you turn 18 now. No religious exceptions.

  14. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    The tax law, in its majestic equality, allows rich and poor alike to carried interest, to depreciate capital assets, and to vacation in their 2nd houses(yachts).

  15. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “Juan Valdez, eat your heart out.” — Carlos Gereda (totally made up)

    But Carlos Gereda is an interesting fellow. I mention him only because we’ve been enjoying his country’s product all winter and while washing our latest acquisitions, I placed one on a quarter and it covered it completely.

  16. UVAPast Avatar

    Maybe there should be a tax on contributions to political parties or campaigns?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Contributing to political parties and campaigns is the tax.

    2. and ALL COLLEGE endowments

  17. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    The tax law, in its majestic equality, allows rich and poor alike to carried interest, to depreciate capital assets, and to vacation in their 2nd houses(yachts).

  18. Bob X from Texas Avatar
    Bob X from Texas

    Government is a beast that is never happy until it taxes people at 100%

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Oh? You’re paying 100%?

  19. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I think as the economy changes, how we tax needs to change with it and I’m not advocating just paying “more”, I’d like to see some offsets at the income tax level for the lower brackets.

    If one looks at how funding for VDOT has changed over the years, it’s pretty interesting.

    It was necessitated ironically by regulation – that required cars to be less polluting and get better fuel mileage.

    VDOT’s funding was oriented to how many miles per gallon a vehicle got and when that changed, they were faced with less revenue even as people drove more!

    VDOT’s primary funding used to be primarily taxes on a gallon of fuel and that’s changed dramatically and I dare say, as Haner points out, that most folks have almost no clue how it’s changed except perhaps those who now have to pay the HUF fee (highway use fee).

    But I bet if you ask 100 people how transportation is funded in Virginia, they’ll say taxes on gasoline (which is only about a 1/3 or 1/4 of total funding now.

    So , here’s a question. Are we taxing more and more in Va for taxes – as opposed to just keeping up with inflation? Have we had a problem like VDOT had and need to tax the newer ways the economy is working because we’re losing the older ways?

    If we are taxing MORE, what are we spending the additional on – new or additional services?

    When we tax more, we’re not putting it in some secret vault in Richmond, right? It’s paying for something. Are we opposing the tax or what the tax is paying for?

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