Ranked Choice Voting Coming to Virginia?

by Jon Baliles

Now that state and congressional redistricting are done, the non-partisan group OneVirginia2021 that fought for years to bring sensible, fair redistricting to Virginia has rebranded its name and focus. Nonpartisan experts have generally given the resulting legislative congressional maps high marks for partisan fairness even though some unsuccessfully challenged the new maps drawn by the Supreme Court of Virginia. Regardless, redistricting is done — at least until the next redistricting. But I digress….

The newly-minted organization UpVote Virginia will now put forth as a signature issue, Ranked-Choice Voting (RCV) for localities across the Commonwealth. UpVote Virginia sees it as a winning, bi-partisan issue that will produce or encourage the seeking and building of consensus among office-holders and office-seekers.

A Virginia Mercury story cites comments at the announcement by former Gov. George Allen about how the GOP used RCV at its convention in 2021 (in which all three statewide candidates won), and former Lieutenant Governor and current Congressman Don Beyer, who said, “This is an issue that really puts the will of the voters front and center.” If you can get George Allen and Don Beyer on a stage to agree about anything, it must be an idea worth considering.

While the Republicans in 2021 used RCV in a party selection process where it selects the rules, RCV is not used in statewide or legislative primaries or elections overseen by the Commonwealth. In the City of Richmond, however, there is a proposal that would allow for RCV beginning in 2024 — but only for City Council elections, not for Mayor or School Board. Go figure.

RCV allows voters to rank their candidates in preferential order with a 1,2,3 and so on. If a candidate wins on election night with 50.1% of the vote, the election is over. If no candidate wins at least 50.1%, then the candidate with the fewest first-preference votes is eliminated and you have an “instant runoff.” The eliminated candidate’s ballots would then be examined and the votes for whomever was chosen second on those ballots would be applied to the remaining candidates. The process continues until someone receives 50.1%.

Considering that the last two mayoral elections have been won by Mayor Stoney with 36% (2016) and 38% (2020) of the vote, if Richmond is going to consider RCV, it should consider doing so for all local offices.

Writes the Mercury: “Skeptics of ranked-choice voting have argued it’s too complicated and cumbersome, and some have doubts about whether voters and candidates would find the change to be as smooth as proponents think it would be.”

Proponents say it helps reduce negative ads and campaigning and for candidates to appeal to more than just party-line voters, and can widen the candidate field by encouraging more people to run for office.

In New York City last year, the primary race for mayor used RCV and some said “that poor education efforts essentially disenfranchised some voters.”

An analysis of the 2021 mayoral primary results from Citizens Union…found that just under 15% of voters across the city had inactive ballots in the final elimination round under ranked choice voting.

By comparison, in 2013’s Democratic mayoral primary [before RCV was in place], 33% voters cast ballots for candidates who didn’t make it to the top two spots. The decrease in what the report called “wasted” ballots held true for almost every race in the primary, according to the analysis.

In the 2021 primary, 83% of voters ranked at least two candidates on their ballots in the mayoral primary, and by law, they can rank their top 5.  But they can also just select one candidate if they prefer. Couple that with turnout, which in 2021 saw almost a million primary voters, whereas in 2013, the primary saw only 772,000 voters, or about 25% fewer voters.

On the other side of the country, in Alaska, advocates say RCV reduces political party influence since all primary candidates appear on one ballot and the top four finishers advance to the ranked choice general election. They also say like-minded candidates won’t split the same pool of voters and voters can pick a back-up if their candidate falters.

A Congressional primary this week in Alaska resulted in the vote count going into an “instant runoff” with second place votes likely determining the outcome. One voter who was interviewed in the Anchorage paper summed it up best: “With the ranked system, you can vote for who you truly think is correct, and have the lesser of two evils ranked last.”

It’s an idea we should start to look at and understand because it is a voting method that is likely coming to Richmond sooner than we think.

This column has been republished with permission from RVA 5X5.


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49 responses to “Ranked Choice Voting Coming to Virginia?”

  1. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    NO!

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      All I needed to see… YES!

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        Why I didn’t explain. You and others are unpersuadable and always wrong, so saved time.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          However, there actually is middle ground… when both sides give. Not your game, right?

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Larry – if 2+2 =4, then there is no compromise with someone saying it equals 5.
            Ranked Choice Voting is fraught with capability for manipulation and gaming, as opposed to presenting a choice. Also, the forcing voters to rank people they would never vote for is undemocratic and a form of compelled speech. I actually have reasons for my opinions, based on thought, as opposed to “what are my instructions from the DNC?”

          2. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            You don’t have to rank everyone on the ballot. If you only have 2 people out of 5 that you would vote for, you put 1 and 2 by them and leave the rest blank.

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            It varies by State

          4. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            Va didn’t.

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    God I hope so.

  3. If people are too stupid to get a free ID, as many pontificate; this will be a debacle.

    One person, ONE vote….

  4. Walter Hadlock Avatar
    Walter Hadlock

    Yes, the effort to come up with a redistricting plan worked out just fine–NOT. The commission was a flop. The state supreme court had to take over. At least if this group tries for ranked voting, let the commission, or whatever, have an odd number of members.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      The flop was not due to the Commission but the intractable partisan political party members from the legislature who would not compromise. That flop can be traced to the GA’s construction of the Commission and failure to entrust maps to non politicians. No power to the people when professional politicians can muck things up.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        The citizen members (non-politicians) on the Commission also consistently sided with the politicians of the parties that appointed them.

        The flop was inevitable because of the design of the Commision (by a Republican majority in the GA). It would not be enough for any redistricting plan to win a majority vote from the Commission’s members. It would also have to be approved by at least three of the four legislative members from either house an at least six of the eight citizen members. Because the legislative members were divided equally by party, any two legislators from either party could veto any plan.

        Ironically, the Virginia Supreme Court produced as good a redistricting plan as Virginians probably could get.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          It is ironic isn’t it? We got the result the commission was intended to produce. Maybe that will drive future commissions. Refuse to compromise and the court will do the job right for you.

          You’re also right, the citizen members were every bit as partisan as the politicians who chose them. A disappointment, but not exactly a surprise.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        The redistricting is easily, and fairly, accomplished with an algorithm. Of course, this would piss off the politicians royally.

  5. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Dems are late to the party. Glenn Davis put up a ranked choice voting bill, and so did a few others.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      The 2020 bill providing local option to localities to use ranked choice voting was introduced by Sally Hudson, a Democrat. It passed the House on a vote of 57-42. Davis and Freitas seem to be the only Republicans who supported it. It passed the Senate on a vote of 22-18, with Hanger being the only Republican to vote in favor of it.

      As for Davis’ bill in the 2022 Session, it was killed in committee on a 11-10 vote. All but one Republican voted to kill it and all but one Democrat supported it.

      Davis seems to be a lonely voice in his party supporting ranked choice voting.

      1. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        Probably because it allows the people to choose and not the R party elite and its puppets.

  6. Lefty665 Avatar

    Let me see if I understand. You take the second, third or fourth choices of the people who initially voted for the least popular candidates and use them to select the actual winner?

    How’s that work? Alfred E Neuman’s ballot: First choice Looney Tune, Second choice, Dingbat, Third choice Bat Poop Crazy, Fourth choice Brain Dead Alzheimer.

    Is this more wisdom from the geniuses in California who want to decide everything for the country?

    1. Merchantseamen Avatar
      Merchantseamen

      Alaska is this system.

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I like the idea in concept. It would seem to be a way to ensure that more moderate folks were elected.

    Virginia has embarked on a trial of the system. Legislation enacted in 2020 gives counties and cities the option to use ranked choice voting in the elections for those bodies. https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title24.2/chapter6/section24.2-673.1/ The code section expires in 2031.

    The main problem, of course, is that the decision to use that method is discretionary. Will any governing bodies be willing to try it? I hope so. The method deserves a trial.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      RCV could limit some of the present political inanity that passes for campaign planks. Every RCV election would br a mini referendum on candidate views.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I don’t think ranked choice necessarily eliminates nutsacks. Palin. LePage.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          Remember “Democracy thrives in sunlight.” Exposing some of the nutsacks to multiple votes will not eliminate them but may curtail their shelf life.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Maine. Alaska. Probably not the best of examples. It’s so cold up there, they’re clearly looking for indoor amusement.

      Maine… LePage, not exactly moderation.

    3. dave schutz Avatar
      dave schutz

      In Arlington a citizens’ group (Arlington Civic Federation) is pushing for it, and it’s a major plank in the campaign of one of the independents running for County Board, but it seems far less urgent to our office holders.

  8. Lefty665 Avatar

    Any idea endorsed by both Allen and Beyer is NOT “worth considering”. It is run like Hell away from it double time.

  9. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Well it looks like the right is pulling back from RCV and since it requires computers to do the tabulation, the “elections are rigged” folks will surely also be involved.

    So.probably . RIP to RCV.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      I think it impacts the way the rightwing has perfected the primary turnout vehicle to get their wack jobs on the ballot under the Republican flag. They have found if they do that and only give one choice to the party faithful come the general (no matter how distasteful) they can go negative and be (somewhat) competitive. RCV seems to benefit the moderate and independents. If Conservatives hate it, I am all for it.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I think you are dead-on.

  10. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    nope 1person 1 vote not 1 person 4 votes

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Why?? Or, why not?

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Ranked choice voting does not violate the “one person, one vote” principle. That principle refers to the rule that one person’s voting power ought to be
      roughly equivalent to another person’s within the same state. It is applicable to ensuring that voting districts for Congress, state legislatures, local governing bodies have approximately the same number of people. It has nothing to do with how the ballot is structured.

      1. I agree with you.

        Are you aware of any court decisions regarding the legality/constitutionality of RCV?

        It appears to me that the founders intended it to be constitutional, since the original method of choosing the president and vice-president of the United States was a two-choice, potentially five-deep, version of ranked choice voting.

      2. James Kiser Avatar
        James Kiser

        sorry don’t see it and if I like none of the other candidates I get frozen out.

  11. Heritage Foundation has an opinion piece criticizing ranked choice voting, with examples of how ranked choice voting produced questionable results in several actual elections. Available at https://www.heritage.org/election-integrity/report/ranked-choice-voting-bad-choice

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Heritage by way of von Spakovsky raises a few good questions but dilute the argument with emotive political language. Once a polity agrees upon a candidate selection process, the result is what the voters chose. The Heritage opinion focuses upon a single voter view ignoring the dynamics of the collective actions of voters. Political party lethargy is likely to frustrate an attempt to introduce RCV in VA. The major parties prefer themselves as offering in their opinion a binary choice to voters

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        that’s essentially how the two party dominance works…

  12. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    looks to me that RCV is basically a computerized way to do an election process that assures the eventual winner has a majority of the votes. You can do this with multiple election cycles or you can do it with one cycle using computers to get to a point where one candidate does have a majority of votes.

    With all the uproar over “rigging” though, this method would also engender those who think technology is used to rig outcomes.

  13. Paul Sweet Avatar
    Paul Sweet

    It worked well for the Republican primary, but it could be cumbersome for a statewide election. I think NYC found an error part way through their count and had to start over. Starting RCV in local elections would give voters a chance to get used to it before trying it statewide.

    Having a second choice is good, but I’m not sure many people would give 3rd, 4th, etc. much thought, especially if they thought they had to fill in all the spaces.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I agree on the choices after 2nd but it may well depend on the candidates and might enable more independents to run and have a chance to win when the party candidates are both awful.

      Even then an elected independent ends up having to associate themselves with one party or the other… if they want o participate in committees and such.

  14. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Does RCV allow a voter to mark the same candidate across the board? It doesn’t seem fair to force a person to vote for a candidate that he/she would never want to see in office.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      You don’t mark anyone you don’t want, right?

      1. john b harvie Avatar
        john b harvie

        Write in “none of the above” as I did in a recent election.

    2. I think the intent is to not allow voters to vote for any name more than once, but for a voter who runs out of candidates suitable to them to be free to leave boxes unchecked.

  15. Scott McPhail Avatar
    Scott McPhail

    “That will produce or encourage the seeking and building of consensus among office-holders and office-seekers.”

    I don’t want “the seeking and building of consensus ” among my elected officials- that’s how you get laws and policies that THEY want and that benefit THEM with scant regard to the voters.

    Better a partisan leash for them then no leash at all.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      partisan won’t get you much either – just what is good for the party and members of the party – not the citizens.

      Consensus is when there is compromise. When there is no compromise, there is gridlock.

      that’s not governance and really not a path forward.

  16. I think we should go back to two-vote ranked choice voting for President and Vice-President of the United States.

    That might shake things up for our ‘two-party’ electoral system.

    Of course, even under our current method, there is no provision for President and VP to be on a single ticket. I think we should at least be voting for them on “distinct” ballots, as required by the 12th Amendment:

    The Electors shall meet in their respective states, and vote by ballot for President and Vice-President, one of whom, at least, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state with themselves; they shall name in their ballots the person voted for as President, and in distinct ballots the person voted for as Vice-President…

  17. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    This might help people understand why this is a horrible, stupid, and ultimately dis-enfranchising idea, brought to you by the people who profess to wish to “save our democracy” by watering it down so they can remain in power forever and you feel hopeless about voting – https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/editorials/alaska-will-be-counting-for-weeks-thanks-to-idiotic-ranked-choice-voting

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