Rambling: A Reminder of the Beginnings of Religious Freedom

by Dick Hall-Sizemore

This is one of the most attractive church buildings I have seen. It is Mathews Baptist Church, located on Rt. 198 in Mathews County at the intersection with the road leading to Gwynn’s Island.

The sign above the door says the church was organized in 1776.

In the years leading up to 1776, one had to have courage and dedication to be a Baptist in Virginia. The colony’s laws required ministers to be licensed and meetinghouses to be registered. The itinerant Baptist ministers refused to comply. In turn, they were fined and imprisoned. They would often preach to their followers through the bars of their cell windows. Laymen were also fined, and sometimes imprisoned, for attending “illegal” Baptist services. Whippings and beatings were common. Crowds disrupted Baptist worship services and harassed congregation members.

In 1776, however, the situation was looking better for the Baptists. Patrick Henry had been elected by the legislature to be the state’s first governor. Henry had been a strong supporter of the Baptists. He had defended them in court and had quietly paid their fines. He had introduced a resolution in the Third Virginia Convention to allow Baptist chaplains to minister to Virginia troops. There had been a petition drive that resulted in a document signed by approximately 10,000 persons presented to the House of Delegates in October 1776 calling for “Equal Liberty” and the ending of tax support for the established church.

A meeting between Henry and some prominent Baptist ministers seemed to result in a momentous bargain. As Jon Kukla, Henry’s biographer describes it:

“Faced with the formidable task of recruiting men and supplies for Washington’s army, Governor Henry and the commonwealth struck a deal with the Baptists. In exchange for religious toleration—including freedom of worship, exemption from parish duties supporting the Anglican Church, and permission for Baptist clergy to conduct marriages and serve as military chaplains—Virginia Baptists volunteered in great numbers to fight for the ‘common cause of Freedom.”

In December 1776, the Virginia legislature declared “all dissenters, of whatever denomination … totally free of all levies, taxes, and impositions” used to support the Anglican Church and its ministers.

A fascinating research project would be a study of the “organization” of the Mathews Baptist Church and its relationship to the political and social upheavals going on in the Commonwealth in 1776.


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26 responses to “Rambling: A Reminder of the Beginnings of Religious Freedom”

  1. StarboardLift Avatar
    StarboardLift

    Fast forward to this June 30th sermon given by Texas D James Talarico, using logic and scriptural references to push back theocracy of Christian nationalists. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3E5jjHW6ncc

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      A new troll! Theocracy of Christian Nationalists….oooh…so scary!
      But the Theocracy of Secular Humanists, and their authoritarianism is totally OK, so shut up bigot/racist/insurrectionist/MAGA, etc.
      How many genders are we up to? How many more girls need to be cheated out of their athletic achievements? How many more babies need to be killed for birth control? Is it OK to disagree with our "progressive" overlords?

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Did you watch the video? Nowhere in it does the speaker even hint at securlar humanism. He is upfront about his Christianity. Do you disagree with anything he said?

        1. walter smith Avatar
          walter smith

          I did not want to waste 24 minutes because I already knew the play. So, at your insistence, I wasted 2. As soon as he said displaying the 10 Commandments was Christian Nationalism, I knew my first inclination was correct. Our great country, which progressivism is destroying, grew out of the accomplishments of Christians (the politically correct thing is to say Judeo-Christianity, but the vast majority of the people were Christians in the development of Western Civ. Jews, as throughout history and even continuing today were generally being discriminated against, even by the people behind Western Civ!) which formed the basis for the economic and cultural flourishing of Europe and America. Acknowledging it (and here I will say Judeo-Christianity as they are linked) and remembering that is essential if we wish to survive. I don't have the death wish France does, nor seemingly the rest of Europe.
          The Supreme Court invented a new interpretation of "separation" of Church and State that was wholly invented out of a misinterpreted quote from a Jefferson letter, and society has suffered for it. You're old enough to have seen the moral rot. Maybe some acknowledgment of what was good would be good. That's not "establishing" a religion. Nor is it a theocracy.
          How about murder? Is outlawing murder wrong? I mean, it's in the Bible!
          We need true academic freedom. I will wager that a school established on Christian principles, all other things being equal, will have better outcomes, academically and emotionally and behaviorally, and that isn't even requiring taking "Bible" courses. I would further wager that parents – Jewish and Muslim – would want their children to go to these schools because they turned out a better product. That's how Western Civ and Universities worked until they abandoned the very ideological framework that allowed such flourishing.
          Could this abandonment of a sane worldview have anything to do with the record number of pampered kids, living with means way above their parents and grandparents, who are at record levels unhappy and "needing" mood-altering drugs?
          I think so.
          There is such a thing as truth. Not my truth. No wonder the kids are so screwed up. And a whole lot of adults, too!

          1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            You should have listened to the whole thing. This man is a Christian. Why is his message not worth listening to? One of his best observations is: "Christian Nationalists say our laws should be based on th Bible–until they read the words of Jesus. Release the prisoners. Welcome the stranger. Liberate the oppressed. Put away your sword. Sell all your possessions and give the money to the poor." His theme was: "Christian Nationalism is elevating our religion over others, dominating them rather than loving them as ourselves."

          2. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Sorry. Woke gospel. Quotes only the Jesus part he agrees with. Christian doctrinal belief is exclusive by its very nature – I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but through me.
            Jesus also said things like cut off your hand and throw away your eyes. He denounced sin. Approving of sin is not loving, particularly when the sins are harmful to self and others.
            Mr. Talarico claims he is a Christian. It’s a claim. I don’t know. I don’t know him to form a judgment of my own.
            Joe Biden claims he is a Catholic. So does Little Timmie Kaine. I have my doubts, but I ain’t God, so I don’t know. But at least I have observed them for years to form my opinions.

          3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            A lot of people selectively quote Jesus and the Bible, using the passages they agree with. In fact, that is essentially what Thomas Jefferson did when he created what is now known as "Jefferson's Bible"–a cut and paste job leaving out any sign of the miraculous or supernatural. https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian-institution/why-thomas-jefferson-created-his-own-bible-180975716/

          4. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Yes. I think Jefferson was truly conflicted over supernatural events, being the man of the Enlightenment he was. I think many so-called “smart” people can’t comprehend supernatural events and use that as a shield to faith. I guess I’m stupid.
            Meanwhile, Jefferson did say things like Jesus was the greatest moral philosopher of all time, and that he (Jefferson) feared God’s justice over failures like slavery. He wasn’t picking what parts of what Jesus said that he did or didn’t like – in fact he chose all that Jesus said – he chose not to believe the supernatural things. The Declaration of Independence, however, can only be properly understood as a Christian worldview of the Natural Law created by “Providence,” with the greatest political assertion ever made – all men are created equal, endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights…

          5. StarboardLift Avatar
            StarboardLift

            I feel privileged to live in this great country, one that has at its root a desire to reject tyranny and embrace individualism. Today, that translates to me accepting that religious practitioners believe in something with no evidence. I expect you to accept my lack of belief. When religion and government merge, it's disastrous. Christian fundamentalists have a moral code much closer to Muslim fundamentalists than to the code of Jefferson, John Stuart Mill. And yes, the Democrat Leftmost bends around to the same tyranny with its code. Morality is not faith-dependent, it flows very nicely from the rational center.

          6. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Who says I don’T accept your lack of belief? It was the Christian worldview that established religious tolerance. Please explain how Christian fundamentalists have a moral code closer to Muslim fundamentalists. Yeah, those Christians go around doing jihad and intifada all the time, don’t they? Meanwhile, what’s your position on forcing people to bake cakes?

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I thought some interesting insight in this exchange.

  2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    A carryover from Merry Old England. Many of my Irish and Scots Irish ancestors paid an annual tithe to support the Church of Ireland, even the Catholic and Presbyterian ones. From what I've read members of both denominations were not too happy about the obligation.

  3. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    The Virginia Baptist Museum and Library at the University of Richmond is a jackpot for the kind of history you are writing about. I plan to visit this place one day this summer. Virginia's founding fathers definitely tapped into spirit of dissent amongst the Baptists, Presbyterians, and even the Mennonites.

  4. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    The Baptist Historical Society is located at the formerly Baptist – now WokeJoke – University of Richmond – attached to the Boatwright Library!
    You have to make an appointment. It has pictures of momentous events in Baptist history in Virginia, mostly paintings of famous meetings, like the Baptist Church in Orange that convinced James Madison of the need for the First Amendment. It also has the original arrest warrant for a Baptist preacher in Culpeper. He was tried in Hanover (along with 2 others I believe). And defended by…Patrick Henry!
    And the damages (I hear) were… one penny!
    Patrick was a boss!

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I think you are referring to what has become known as the "Parson's Cause." That was a complicated affair. Several ministers were suing the vestry for back pay they claimed they were owed as a result of officials of the king overruling a law passed by the Virginia General Assembly and signed by the governor. A jury had rule in favor of the ministers. The only question left was the amount of damages, or back pay, owed. The original attorney representing the vestry had bowed out and Patrick Henry was hired to represent the vestry.

      Henry reportedly told his uncle, also named Patrick Henry, who was the rector of the county's largest Anglican parish, that he would "enforce this day the rights of the people and expose the avarice and ambitions of the priests."

      Henry's defense of the vestry was a radical one. The Virginia law, he declared, "was a law of general utility" and, "by disallowing Acts of thos salutary nature." the king had "degenerated into a Tyrant." Henry made the case one about defending the right of Virginia to adopt laws it felt necessary without interference by the King of England or the royal government in London. So, he asked the jury to send a message, "If they must find…for the Plaintiff, they need not find more than one farthing." The jury did just that–awarded the minister one penny in damages.

      The case is considered one of the major early (1763) rumblings that would lead to the fight for independence.

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        No…the Parson's Cause was over payment in pounds of tobacco. The preachers sued because the price of tobacco had spiked and wanted to be paid in tobacco.
        A woman I know is descended from the Culpeper preacher and she is the one who told me that Henry defended, in Hanover, and one penny. The one penny could very well be Parson's Cause. But, it appears Henry rode 50 miles (to Culpeper courthouse?) and defended – here is one sadly incomplete story – https://www.frontiersman.com/faith/patrick-henry-defender-of-christian-liberty/article_244aea53-0b90-53af-bc29-d5d4ef1313ea.html
        Here is a more full description – looks like the ancestor mixed some things, but again, Patricj Henry was a boss!
        https://baptistsearch.blogspot.com/2009/11/patrick-henrys-defense-of-baptist.html

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          That's a great story and speech. Without going into specifics, Kukla does note, "Time and again, Henry either defended itinerant preachers or quietly arranged for their releae by paying the fines they could not afford or that they refused to as a matter of conscience." And, Henry did go to "distant" counties to represent clients, partly because, as a new lawyer, he needed clients and folks in Hanover tended to go to the already established lawyers.

        2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          The men defended by Henry thanks to the 50 mile horseback ride were Lewis and Joseph Craig along with Bledsoe. This was in Fredericksburg. Elijah Craig was jailed in Culpeper along with James Ireland and John Pickett. Craig was released on bond for good behavior. This Elijah Craig took a "Travelling Church" to Kentucky and established the Elijah Craig distillery so famous now. Ironically Ian Shapira, the WAPO hater of VMI, is a descendant of Elijah Craig. If you visit the Chesterfield County Courthouse there is a monument to John Weatherford and other preachers defended by Patrick Henry. And why did they change the name of the community college?
          This period of religious history in Virginia is fascinating and you will never understand the Revolution without a careful study.
          http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/craig.elijah.by.taylor.html
          https://christianheritage.info/places/united-states/virginia/chesterfield-county/monument-outdoor/chesterfield-courthouse-apostles-of-religious-liberty/
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-xSGcTRMxE

          1. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Oh come on! ElijahCraig…a traveling Baptist preacher founded the Elijah Craig distillery!?!? Did he drink the demon rum himself, or was he turning grain into money like Washington and Henry did?
            And then to throw in that Ian Shapira is descended from him. No wonder he hates his white privilege!
            And don’t get me started on the Community Colleges. Brightpoint and Peninsula. What a joke. What feckless, spineless leaders. Maybe a leader would insist on restoring the names. Same thing in Westmoreland County where the high school’s name was changed from Washington & Lee to Westmoreland County High School.

          2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            The Travelling Church. It would make a great TV mini series. It took 5 or 6 hundred baptist pioneers 4 months to travel from Spotsylvania County to Kentucky. First mass migration to the Blue Grass state. Actually, at that split second, Kentucky was a county of Virginia. Elijah Craig and the other Separate or Old School Baptists did not believe that the Bible prohibited alcohol. It did prohibit being a drunk but not drinking.
            http://baptisthistoryhomepage.com/travel.church.html

          3. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            I most recently bought Elijah Craig… might have to make it a repeater!

          4. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            I poured my down the john and flushed. Protest against Shapira and his crooked WAPO articles against VMI.

          5. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Now you have me truly conflicted! Am I benefitting Shapira? Am I throwing away good whiskey? Life would be much better if my momentous decisions were at this level… But as long as the Wokies are intent on destroying my country, I’ll have to defer the whiskey quandary…

      2. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        You made me go even further down the rabbit hole for yet another fantastic story. Seriously, giants lived in Virginia – Patrick Henry and Thomas Jefferson were not always politically aligned, but as to religious liberty – they were giants.
        Quit tearing them down!
        https://chalcedon.edu/resources/articles/the-defense-of-the-faith-john-weatherford-and-patrick-henry

  5. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    The story of Rev. Peter Muhlenburg is one for the ages.
    “There is a time to pray and a time to fight, and that time has now come!” Casting off his robes to reveal a uniform, he “stood before them a girded warrior; and descending from the pulpit, ordered the drums at the church-door to beat for recruits.” Nearly 300 frontier men enlisted that day, according to Henry Muhlenberg.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1KblQwIaQRk

  6. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    "The first law dealing with roads in Virginia, also the first such law in America, appeared on the books in 1632. This law, following English precedent, placed the responsibility for roads on the parish. In England this system was probably rather well-suited to the needs of the times, for there the parish was a small administrative unit under the Anglican Church possessing few roads and a more than sufficient number of people to maintain them. Unfortunately, in Virginia parishes tended to be of immense size with sparse populations scattered over them. To clear and open, much 3less maintain, the network of roads required as settlement progressed was to prove beyond the capabilities of the existing system of administration. Consequently, after 1657 road operations were placed in the hands of the gentlemen justices of the county courts, who appointed individual overseers of roads to handle specific roads or portions thereof. Further enactments in 1661 and 1663 reinforced that of 1657 directing that "convenient wayes be constructed leading to parish churches, the county courts, to Jamestown (then the seat of government) and between the individual counties. Actual construction and maintenance were to be placed under the supervision of "overseers of roads" or "surveyors of highways", who were to be appointed annually by the county courts. All titheab1es, males above the age of 16 whether free or slave, were to work on the roads under their supervision when so ordered by their parish vestry. The vestry usually took this action upon a request being made by the individual surveyor. To forestall neglect of these duties, a schedule of fines was set out in the act. This schedule covered all the persons having to do with road work from the justices of the peace upon the bench, through the overseers of roads down to the "labouring male titheab1es", as they were styled, who actually did the work. That these laws were something more than mere expressions of sentiment by the Burgesses is shown by the fact that such a man as Colonel Charles' Hill of Charles City County was fined for neglect of duty in 1676. In 1690 Governor Francis Nicholson issued a directive to the county courts ordering the justices to see that road surveyors were appointed and that they per- formed their duties or faced the penalties prescribed by law. Even a casual perusal of the order books of a Tidewater or Piedmont Virginia county in the eighteenth century will show, by the number of' entries relating to indictments and prosecutions, that roads were a subject of continual interest for the gentlemen justices in the counties. Sometimes the county court itself was presented by the grand jury for failure to discharge its responsibilities relative to roads.. "

    https://vtrc.virginia.gov/media/vtrc/vtrc-pdf/vtrc-pdf/78-r16.pdf

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