Rail to Dulles: What Comes Next?

Let us hope the Kaine administration has enough sense not to try to revivify the corpse of the Rail-to-Dulles project. Time’s awasting. Traffic congestion in Tysons Corner and the Dulles corridor are only getting worse. It’s time to focus the conversation on what comes next.

Broadly speaking, I see these alternatives:

User Pays. Reconceptualize the Rail-to-Dulles project from scratch. Instead of looking to users of the Dulles Toll Road and the federal government for revenue, reboot the project as a “user/beneficiary pays” system. That means tapping the extraordinary increase in values that would accrue to property around the Metro stations. I laid out a methodology in May 2006: (1) Create Community Development Authorities that will issue bonds to cover the costs of the projects; (2) Pay off the bonds by means of a property tax surcharge in the CDA districts; (3) Recompense property owners for the higher tax by the presence of a Metro station and higher density development rights, both of which would increase the value of their property. (See “Rail Rip-Off” for details.)

Bus Rapid Transit. Alternatively, build a mass transit system around BRT. Buses don’t drive land use changes and they won’t appeal to those who want to rebuild Tysons as a mixed-use, pedestrian-oriented district. But a BRT system would cost about one fifth of the Metro extension. This is the obvious fall-back position. It warrants a serious look.

Either of the first two alternatives could be complemented by one or both of the following:

Congestion pricing (Tysons). Create a congestion pricing authority in Tysons Corner, charging single-occupancy vehicles for entering the district. The price would vary by time of day, depending on the level of congestion. There would be two sets of benefits: (1) Tolls would encourage commuters to avail themselves of transportation alternatives; and (2) all funds collected by the tolls would be required by law to be reinvested inside the district: either for road construction, traffic light synchronization, BRT stations, Metro stations, traffic demand management programs or any other initiative that would increase transportation capacity or manage demand.

Congestion pricing (Dulles corridor). Create a congestion pricing authority for the Dulles Toll Road, and replace the current flat tolls with congestion tolls. All funds collected by the tolls would be required by law to be reinvested inside the corridor. The money could be used to improve roads, synchronize traffic lights, support BRT or help pay for Metro in the corridor. As with the Tysons scenario, congestion tolls would both encourage changes in commuting behavior and provide a steady funding stream.

I’m not advocating these options, merely pointing out that there are options to the Rail-to-Dulles project as currently conceived. It’s time to start talking about something that has a chance of happening.


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  1. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    You know.. if you read the FTA letter, they state over and over that they have specific criteria and oh-my-GOD … STANDARDS for cost-effectiveness… that guide them on their decisions for funding.

    PITY, we don’t take the same approach with roads….

    Seems to me if the FTA got to judge VDOT with respect to the Springfield Interchange which ended up only on-time and on-budget ONLY AFTER, VDOT changed the numbers to fit the outcome…

    that that project would have been called into question also.

    and the ICC? can we use the FTA cost-effectiveness criteria on that project since it is being subsidized (to the tune of $500 million) by the same program that was going to be used to subsidize Dulles Metro (the TIFIA program)?

    http://tifia.fhwa.dot.gov/

    are we using a double-standard for judging rail and road cost-effectiveness?

  2. Anonymous Avatar

    Of course we are using a double standard. When it comes to rail we ive credit for land use value increases, but when it comes to roads, then use value increases count agianst.

    RH

  3. Anonymous Avatar

    “ended up only on-time and on-budget ONLY AFTER, VDOT changed the numbers to fit the outcome…”

    This is typical of any large project, road, rail or otherwise. We very seldom spend enough money up front to create an accurate cost estimate. One commonly used rule of thumb says that to estimate a project and et an outcome that is +- 15% of the actual outcome, you will need to spend 2% of the value of the project on the cost estimate, alone.

    Part of the problem with the metro rail project is that Bechtel had no credibility left, after their recent Boston job.

    RH

  4. Anonymous Avatar

    “PITY, we don’t take the same approach with roads….”

    In their book, Winston and shirley did take a common approach to evaluating roads and rail and other transit. They concluded rail was eficient for only 2% of required travel.

    Their work has since been corroborrated by others – who came up with even lower values for rail. One said that the ONLY worthwhile rail or light rail system in the U.S. is BART.

    If we ever do evaluate them on a true common basis, rail and other transi won’t fare nearly as well as its proponents think: it is slow, expensive, inefficient, and not even particularly environmentally friendly.

    RH

  5. Anonymous Avatar

    Wouldn’t an obvious answer be to eliminate the west of Dulles part of the line (for now at least)? Perhaps this is because I don’t like the idea of Metro in Loudoun, but it seems like an obvious solution. If the goals of the silver line is to 1) get Metro into Tysons and 2) get rail to Dulles (with subgoals such as a station for Reston) then there is no reason to include anything west of Dulles right now.

  6. Anonymous Avatar

    Wasn’t it rejected on the costs of the first phase alone? West of Dulles didn’t even figure in, I think.

    RH

  7. Anonymous Avatar

    Jim, I think you ask the right question about what comes next, but we need to look at the macro picture of what can even be done.

    User Pays – Unlikely since even with rezoning there is only so much new real estate that can be absorbed by the market, and charging all landowners by what they could theoretically build is probably a non-starter.

    BRT – Exists already in the corridor, but getting ROW for buses in Tysons, probably won’t be much cheaper than building rail lines. Improved bus service could probably be built between the airport and downtown/Arlington locations, rather than just the overpriced Flyer bus to WFC.

    Congestion pricing – Hard to do when minimal alternatives currently exist to SOV.

    The bigger question moving forward is should Tysons/Dulles be the regional focus for NoVa or we would do better to promote growth in more established regions. It looks like any transit and some road projects are going to have to be smaller and put together piecemeal.

    Though I didn’t think Dulles rail was a great project it was fairly visionary in that it established a growth corridor for the next 30 years to build around. Now that, Dulles rail is off the table, and there are no other major transportation growth projects in the pipeline, the question really becomes where do we go from here.

    ZS

  8. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    where to go from here…

    well. stop expecting subsidies for one thing.

    If the folks in NoVa think Metro to Dulles is important – then they should come up with a plan that does not require/expect subsidies.

    I don’t buy the conventional wisdom that this project “won’t work” without a 900 million Federal Subsidy.

    Get the sole-source players off the field and bring in the competitive bid team and see what goes..

  9. Anonymous Avatar

    You are viewing this as if it had something to do with transportation. It has little to do with moving people effectively and efficiently. It’s all about landowners at Tysons getting massive increases in their allowed density that could be triggered by rail.

    The trouble is that the rail plan was flawed from day one. The costs are excessive for the transportation benefit delivered, but they were just fine (c. $400 M) for the landowners to get their increases in density. That is especially true since some of costs were borne by Reston landowners. The rest of costs would be borne by federal taxpayers and Dulles Toll Road users, with cost overruns being dumped on Fairfax County taxpayers.

    Getting rail to Dulles could be done at a fraction of the cost by running rail down the median of the Dulles Toll Road. That would not likely even require federal funding.

    But rail down the DTR median doesn’t permit FARs of 4.0-5.0.

    If JFK were writing his book “Profiles in Courage” today, he could have easily put James Simpson in it.

    TMT

  10. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    With new location roads, it’s all about where the interchanges will be because that’s where the land will be ideal for development and so of course, you’ll find lots of folks who benefit from development falling all over themselves to promote a new road and the new interchanges.

    NoVa is pretty well built out with respect to new (location) roads so that is no longer on the table (but it still is a potent driver of new roads across the state).

    TOD is the rail equivalent of the new road/interchange paradigm and putting aside for the moment the claimed beneficial role of transit in new urban settlement patterns…

    a POTENT DRIVER in the Tyson-Dulles rail deal is the potential for land-development and not necessarily TOD – a key concern of more than a few people and in that respect it DOES sound very similar to the rah rah types who rally around new interchanges.

    I think the suggestion about commuter rail and/or BRT along the same corridor – interesting – in the sense that both of them are almost purely about moving people and not much about land development – and more than likely a lot cheaper but what both of them would do.. is “leap frog” Tysons to serve folks who prefer SFR in Loudoun and other points west of Tysons.

    If you think about it.. that is exactly the way that VRE and Commuter Buses “work” from NoVa to the Fredericksburg Area.

    One could make the same conceptual distinction about running Metro to Ft. Belvoir..

    The Sierra Club has actually advocated that METRO be designed to form a transit beltway around WashMetro… with spokes…

    okay.. so my point in all of this is to point out that planning is Ad Hoc and driven by development interests (and of course airport interests) rather than part of a regional vision.

    NoVa has a Transportation Authority now.. and an opportunity to work towards a legitimate regional vision that primarily serves citizens Mobility needs rather than development interests.

    But you can’t do this without development interests – they are a legitimate part of the planning process and are going to be in the mix whether folks like it or not.

    The last thing in the world that we want or need is government-types deciding where TOD should go…

  11. Anonymous Avatar

    “TOD is the rail equivalent of the new road/interchange paradigm and putting aside for the moment the claimed beneficial role of transit in new urban settlement patterns…”

    Well said, Larry.

    “The Sierra Club has actually advocated that METRO be designed to form a transit beltway around WashMetro… with spokes…”

    Well, see, the Sierra club sometimes makes sense.

    The planning is driven, ad-hoc, by development interests, and you cannot do it without development interests.

    It is driven ad-hoc, because developers have a pile of money with a place and time – something has to be done with that money, if not here, then someplace else. And soon.

    But a regional vision takes a whole different level of effort – and vision. It takes long term commitment, and investment by the government – which some will call subsidy.

    I don’t see how we can win as a society, until the many balkanized groups chnage their attitude(s).

    RH

  12. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    Most folks do not realize that Regional Planning began many years ago at a basic level when the Feds mandated the creation of a Washington Area MPO .. whose boundaries “roughly” match the Census MSA.

    It was a start.. but basically was about how the area would divy up Fed and State funding for transportation and being somewhat passive about local projects like Metro to Dulles.

    That function (of allocating money) is changing dramatically as there is less and less Federal and State funding to allocate. This could change if gas taxes are increased but don’t hold your breath.

    The advent of a Transportation Authority with actual funding sources… gives NoVa a lot more clout as a region over AD HOC or “lone wolf” type projects.

    It ..COULD push the localities in the Region towards a more Regional Perspective and process – a good thing IMHO.

  13. Anonymous Avatar

    TMT,

    I agree with you on the courage of Simpson. I thought for sure that this boondoggle would be pushed through regardless of the facts. I’m still afraid it could be next year when Virginia will likely have two Democratic Senators and there will be a Democratic President.

  14. Anonymous Avatar

    “…that primarily serves citizens Mobility needs rather than development interests.”

    I don’t get how you separate those. I think they are fundamentally the same – up to the point where there is too much development in an area to support the transport it needs.

    RH

  15. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    are you agreeing that development can harm mobility?

    how does that happen and how do you keep it from happening?

  16. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    I’ll admit that the project has some major issues…

    but those issues did not suddenly appear.

    They were there pretty much for the getgo and the question is why did not the FTA put these latest requirements on the project at the point that those deficiencies were identified?

    Why spend all this time talking about the things that need to be fixed at the same time that they signed off on each of those things rather than stopping the process at that point?

    If the project was a bad project – why did the FTA let it proceed at all?

    Is the implication that FTA had no spine until this fellow Simpson gave them one – that they should have killed the project way back when?

    and all these elected officials – including Congressmen, Senators and Governors were .. what… lacking in basic scruples and willing to sacrifice their principles just to keep this project alive?

    Folks.. what I am hearing is that you do not trust your elected officials – at ANY level.

    Correct?

    thoughts?

  17. Groveton Avatar

    Trust level:

    Federal government – C- :Military is best in world or grade would be worse.

    Fairfax County BoS – D: Interest in education is genuine.

    Virginia state legislature: I would give it an “F” but that grade is too good. I thought about a “Z” but that would be an insult – to the alphabet. No letter should be lowered to the level of the Virginia state legislature.

    Just this month Del. Ken Plum (D-Reston) put forth a rule change measure to require recorded votes in all House subcommittees. The proposal was defeated 54-45.

    This is Plum’s second attempt to put some “sunshine” into the process. The Republicans are clearly and obviously at fault here. The Republican majority has not only supported this abortion of honesty, they have made it worse. The Republicans majority voted to let subcommittees defeat bills with a quorum of only three representatives. The subcommittees not only operate secretly they also operate with as few as three members present.

    “I know that some legislators seem to feel that it is pretty inconvienient for them to operate in the sunshine, but that’s too bad because that’s the way that we are supposed to operate,” Plum said.

    As long as bills like this continue to be defeated, I don’t see how ANYBODY (Republican or Democrat) can trust the Virginia state legislature.

    Of course, the continuance of this discraceful prasctice was strongly supported by Republican Dave Albo (Springfield). As Albo said, “Subcommittees have not been required to have a recorded vote, all the way back to 1619”.

    The Republican Party in Virginia is dying. Its death will be a blessing for all Virginians. Once the Republicans are dead the trust in the state legislature might start to rise.

  18. Anonymous Avatar

    I have zero trust in the Kaine administration on the Dulles Rail project. In fact, their desperate spinning seems so pre-planned that it undercuts the notion that this decision was at at a surprise. Again, kudos to Mr. Simpson for being a government administrator who wants to PREVENT a vast amount of pointless spending!

  19. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    I particularly enjoyed Groveton’s grading and his rationale especially with regard to the GA.

    and he’s right about the sunshine.

    how ARROGANT of folks who are SUPPOSED to be representing citizens basically telling citizens that they have no right to know who voted or how they voted …

    this is how far wrong,we have gone and if you take a look at VPAP, you’ll know who most of the GA pays more attention to

    citizens are pawns… rubes.. that GA guys get to “sound bite” courtesy of corporate money which is even more salt in the wound because the money they bribe our elected with is the money they get from us when we buy products…from them … AND they get to write it all off as a business expense…

    I continue to urge folks that if we cut off this supply of money – euphemistically and oxymoronically referred to as “free speech” that we be on a track to put a stop to some of these shenanigans.

    Right now.. many in the GA fear the ire of the corporates much more than the ire of their constituents and they basically act like a bunch of ruffians with the teacher out of the room…

    I say.. take their allowance and ground them…

    now.. is my assessment of the GA WORSE than Groveton’s or better? 🙂

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