“For me there is no equivalence between armed, individual militants going into a home, shooting parents in front of their children, killing children, lighting babies on fire, burning down entire kibbutz and military action going after military targets, terrorist perpetrators of a horrible massacre. Those are different things.”
So said Congresswoman Abigail Spanberger in an exchange with a University of Virginia student yesterday. The Daily Progress has the story here. — JAB
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I don’t disagree with our likely future governor, but a nagging voice in my head informed by decades of observation says, “dead is dead.” The same voice screamed as that columns moved on Baghdad. The same voice nags on the abortion debate, as I don’t see much difference between the pre-born and the post-born, but that’s for another time.
Fighting with Hamas and Hezbollah solves nothing. The problem is Iran. Since 1979, the problem has been Iran. Ask Spanberger about Israel bombing them, just as justified as attacking Gaza.
Hamas and Iran did what they did to push Israel into a specific response, a pattern we’ve seen over and over. And it seemed to be working, and may yet work, but so far the IDF is hanging back. The tanks and personnel carriers are not rolling in, with the inevitable civilian massacre and media horror response that Iran and Hamas dearly desire. Now Biden is on this way there and some furious activity off the stage is obvious, and some other path may emerge. It is time to do what was not expected. It is time to deal with the Heart of Darkness.
It’s too bad that more politicians don’t speak with this moral clarity.
Well, the diplomatic effort for a different path is already dead, killed by the errant Israeli bomb or Hamas missile that found that hospital. It will not matter who did it, such a horror was inevitable.
There are, without doubt, serial numbers. But it is also without doubt that neither is to be trusted with the truth. (See Iraq War Baghdad marketplace bombing)
Whatever, whosever, it was errant. The Hamas rockets don’t have much of a bang. You can look at photos coming out of Israel to see how little damage they do. They blowup a dozen parked cars. They don’t flatten buildings. The amount of damage will tell you whose weapon it was. And the boys at the NSA have the photos.
Actually NSA does SIGINT not IMINT [except in ‘Enemy of the State’]…. you might wnat to check out the al Jazeera video showing what is certainly NOT any IDF munitions slamming into the structure… another PIJ ‘opps’ moment.
Okay some other 3-letter alphabet soup agency.
Probably. It’s knowable. Just not known.
At this point, neither side would target a hospital in Gaza. In Israel? Yeah, and we know who would.
It’s how much each side will strain to use this.
IDF just released SIGINT of Hamas and PIJ discussing it’s a PIJ rocket fired from an adjacent cemetery….uhhhh?…. and secondary explosion indicating a munitions storage AT the hospital.
Facts suk. As do these terrorists
The New York Times, ABC News, CNN, and the Associated Press were quick to report a massive Israeli strike on the hospital.
boy – that’s a surprise….. they also reported ‘Russia, Russia, Russia’…..learn from their past lies
Surely you are not suggesting that NSA ignores graphical content while vacuuming up all the world’s communications are you?
Does it make a difference?
Yes! It means Biden is doing exactly the right thing!
“Does it make a difference?”
Probably not. Those who want to kill all the Jews in Israel will continue to do so, no matter what.
“From the river to the sea” has a very clear meaning. Wipe out the Jews.
Well Nate, what it all boils down to — maybe the real fog of war — is that one side cannot tell the truth about what happened, and the other side will not be believed.
I’m not a fan of Abigail Spanberger, but I respect her courage in speaking out.
Time to drop MOABs and Bunker Busters on all of Iran taking out all of their infrasteucture then blockade the country so no aid gets in. Then let the animals eat rats or each other. The mullahs and their followers are rabid animals that hate and destroy everything they don’t control and they keep telling this to your face.
IDF is 2-0 in its nonproliferation efforts. Not to mention its Iranian nuclear expert termination
I don’t disagree with our likely future governor, but a nagging voice in my head informed by decades of observation says, “dead is dead.” The same voice screamed as the columns moved on Baghdad. The same voice nags on the abortion debate, as I don’t see much difference between the pre-born and the post-born, but that’s for another time.
Fighting with Hamas and Hezbollah solves nothing. The problem is Iran. Since 1979, the problem has been Iran. My brother the spook has long called all this “Mr. Carter’s War.” Ask Spanberger about Israel bombing Tehran, just as justified as attacking Gaza.
Hamas and Iran did what they did to push Israel into a specific response, a pattern we’ve seen over and over. And it seemed to be working, and may yet work, but so far the IDF is hanging back. The tanks and personnel carriers are not rolling in, with the inevitable civilian massacre and media horror response that Iran and Hamas dearly desire. Now Biden is on this way there and some furious activity off the stage is obvious, and some other path may emerge. It is time to do what was not expected. It is time to deal with the Heart of Darkness.
Way too early to declare Spanberger a likely future governor.
It makes little difference to the dead if it was hostile or friendly fire that altered his state.
If it’s “Carter’s War”, then it’s also “Carter’s Peace”. He did manage to keep Israel, Jordan, and Egypt from openly killing each other. Peace, albeit shaky.
Filler-Corn will run for Wexton’s congressional seat so, she’s out of the governor race. Spanberger could easily be the Democratic nominee.
Disqus check too.
I would assume that regardless of the ignition source, that a secondary from stockpiled munitions’ is what brought it all down.
Hamas has shown that it likes to store in hospitals, schools, and mosques. You know keeping in their SOP of using Palestinians as human shields ( they care about the people, promise s/)
I would assume that regardless of the ignition source, that a secondary from stockpiled munitions’ is what brought it all down.
Hamas has shown that it likes to store in hospitals, schools, and mosques. You know keeping in their SOP of using Palestinians as human shields ( they care about the people, promise s/)
That was quite an explosion for a hospital. I wondered if there might be more to the story than just a few oxygen canisters explodind.
plus the poorly made PIJ rocket was full of fuel
One of Hamas’ main command bunkers is located beneath Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. The bunker was built during the time when Israel controlled Gaza. Israel builds underground bunkers in hospitals to protect citizens during Arab attacks. Hamas uses the bunker for itself, and leaves citizens and hospital patients in harms way.
Written July 29, 2014
So why isn’t the fact that Hamas uses Shifa Hospital as a command post making headlines? In part, it’s because the location is so un-secret that Hamas regularly meets with reporters there. On July 15, for example, William Booth of the Washington Post wrote that the hospital “has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices.” Back in 2006, PBS even aired a documentary showing how gunmen roam the halls of the hospital, intimidate the staff, and deny them access to protected locations within the building—where the camera crew was obviously prohibited from filming. Yet the confirmation that Hamas is using Gaza City’s biggest hospital as its de facto headquarters was made in the last sentence of the eighth paragraph of Booth’s story—which would appear to be the kind of rookie mistake that is known in journalistic parlance as “burying the lede.”
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
The whole hospital bombing issue is looking suspect. In the light of day it appears that the hospital was not leveled. A rocket may have hit a parking lot at the hospital. The claim of “500 dead” made by Hamas was always suspicious, given how quickly after the “blast” the body count was released. How could anybody know the total dead in a supposedly leveled building that quickly.
This may well have been a disinformation campaign from Hamas.
If this is a massive exaggeration about a failed Hamas rocket landing in a hospital parking lot … what accountability will the American Main Stream Media have for their reporting? The New York Times, ABC News, CNN, and the Associated Press were quick to report a massive Israeli strike on the hospital.
The first casualty of war is and always has been truth. That phrase goes back to a Greek (Aeschylus) talking about the wars long before Christ.
Of course Hamas is responsible, if only because it started this war ten days ago in the first place. It was a conscious, intentional act. Massive civilian casualties on both side were the goal.
The first casualty of war is and always has been truth.
Yes, but now that the truth is being revealed, will the media outlets mentioned by Mr. Rippert retract/revise their stories/narratives as quickly as they originally reported the “attack” by Israel?
Despite what DJR said, CNN carried the truth from the get go. I can’t vouch for the others.
Israel will now be on the defensive, but the important question is:
Why aren’t Palestinian citizens allowed to escape the war zone and enter Egypt? Arabs flee trouble spots all over the Middle East, but not Gaza.
I do, however, understand Egypt’s concern. Palestinians have been known to be a destabilizing force.
I’ve spent time in the Sinai years ago, shortly after it was returned to Egypt. I would have liked to take my family there, but unfortunately, it hasn’t been safe in recent years.
Security in the area around Rafah is also of concern to Egypt because Sinai has been the site of an Islamist insurgency that flared a decade ago. Hamas, which has run the Gaza Strip since 2007, shares the Islamist ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood, a movement outlawed in Egypt.
Egypt’s military has in recent years largely asserted its control over northern Sinai, facing sporadic attacks there.
And also:
Egypt’s President Abdel Fattah al-Sisi said on Wednesday that Egyptians in their millions would reject the forced displacement of Palestinians into Sinai, adding that any such move would turn the peninsula into a base for attacks against Israel.
Because NO Arab Nation wants to house the Palestinian Arabs….. look at how Jordan has treated them since the 1948 War. What does that tell you about Arabs and the Palestinian Arabs?
Yes, a very long history that’s not talked about because the world only cares about pointing fingers at Israel.
In 1951, King Abdullah I was assassinated by a Palestinian.
Black September civil war between Jordan and PLO
Expelled from Kuwait 1991
Why aren’t Palestinian citizens allowed to escape the war zone and enter Egypt?
Because the Egyptians have no interest in facilitating Israel’s attempt to ethnically cleanse Gaza so they have it for their own. They also lack the surplus resources to care for 2.3 million Palestinian refugees.
Are you saying the followers of the Law of War, the integrity-driven Hamas leadership would mislead the world?
The whole hospital bombing issue is looking suspect. In the light of day it appears that the hospital was not leveled. A rocket may have hit a parking lot at the hospital. The claim of “500 dead” made by Hamas was always suspicious, given how quickly after the “blast” the body count was released. How could anybody know the total dead in a supposedly leveled building that quickly.
This may well have been a disinformation campaign from Hamas.
If this is a massive exaggeration about a failed Hamas rocket landing in a hospital parking lot … what accountability will the American Main Stream Media have for their reporting? The New York Times, ABC News, CNN, and the Associated Press were quick to report a massive Israeli strike on the hospital.
One of Hamas’ main command bunkers is located beneath Shifa Hospital in Gaza City. The bunker was built during the time when Israel controlled Gaza. Israel builds underground bunkers in hospitals to protect citizens during Arab attacks. Hamas uses the bunker for itself, and leaves citizens and hospital patients in harm’s way.
Report below published July 29, 2014
So why isn’t the fact that Hamas uses Shifa Hospital as a command post making headlines? In part, it’s because the location is so un-secret that Hamas regularly meets with reporters there. On July 15, for example, William Booth of the Washington Post wrote that the hospital “has become a de facto headquarters for Hamas leaders, who can be seen in the hallways and offices.” Back in 2006, PBS even aired a documentary showing how gunmen roam the halls of the hospital, intimidate the staff, and deny them access to protected locations within the building—where the camera crew was obviously prohibited from filming. Yet the confirmation that Hamas is using Gaza City’s biggest hospital as its de facto headquarters was made in the last sentence of the eighth paragraph of Booth’s story—which would appear to be the kind of rookie mistake that is known in journalistic parlance as “burying the lede.”
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/top-secret-hamas-command-bunker-in-gaza-revealed
A timely book.
People Love Dead Jews: Reports from a Haunted Present Hardcover – September 7, 2021
by Dara Horn
5.0 out of 5 stars
I wish this wasn’t so relevant
Reviewed in the United States on October 13, 2023
Verified Purchase
Amazing book that is too relevant. This is historical and personal. And sadly timely. Useful painful reality is the best description I can come up with.
https://www.amazon.com/People-Love-Dead-Jews-Reports/dp/0393531562
A timely book.
People Love Dead Jews: Reports from a Haunted Present
Hardcover – September 7, 2021
by Dara Horn
5.0 out of 5 stars
I wish this wasn’t so relevant
Reviewed in the United States on October 13, 2023
Verified Purchase
Amazing book that is too relevant. This is historical and personal. And sadly timely. Useful painful reality is the best description I can come up with.
https://www.amazon.com/People-Love-Dead-Jews-Reports/dp/0393531562
Spanberger may know something about torture and murder. She worked on the covert side of the CIA and under ‘Bloody Gina’ the torturer for awhile. We have no idea what she did or why she left or was pushed out.
She is not someone who is a good candidate for Gov or for Congress.
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