“Public schools are …”

“We must remember that religion is a universal sentiment which is inside everybody and has been inside every person since the beginning of the world. It is not something which we must give to the child” ~ Maria Montessori

The latest from the Liberator Online:

“Public schools are government-established, politician- and bureaucrat-controlled, fully politicized, taxpayer-supported, authoritarian socialist institutions. In fact, the public-school system is one of the purest examples of socialism existing in America…“If freedom is to survive in America, it will be necessary to eliminate the psychologically crippling and mentally debilitating authoritarian socialist public-school system that inevitably inflicts upon all of its students a long and thorough indoctrination in authoritarianism and convinces them that government force is a valid and necessary means to achieve virtually any desired ends. “This must be replaced with a system involving freedom and democracy; that is, a system of individual choice known as free enterprise in which students would actually be genuine customers, patronizing genuine education businesses.” ~ Thomas L. Johnson, professor emeritus of biological sciences at the University of Mary Washington. From an op-ed in the September 26, 2004, issue of The Free Lance-Star.
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In December 2005, The Virginia Family Foundation distributed an email titled ‘Information Alert: VEA pushes homosexual agenda in schools’, the FF goes on to say “the Virginia Education Association (VEA), the Virginia component of the National Education Association, had as one of its ten legislative goals for 2005 the repeal of the Marriage Affirmation Act, HB751.”

Last week, The Family Foundation warned, “The VEA is now exposed for what it accurately is – a condensed version of the left-wing National Education Association. The VEA has moved outside of the academic realm and is now working to redefine marriage for American families. Action needs to be taken to confine the VEA to its educational sphere and to prevent it from meddling in social issues.”

Blue Dog Note: It’s going to be interesting to see who will be denied VEA contributions, or the support of the Family Foundation in the 2005 election based on a single social issue — Gay Marriages. So, due to liberal and conservative socially-engineered contributions, one can conclude with mathematical certainty that while hard work and knowledge will get you close, and attitude will get you there, it’s the special interests questionnaires that will put you in the General Assembly.

It’s not a case of ‘old school’, but ‘new math’ — Don’t you agree?

~ the blue dog


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  1. Jim Bacon Avatar
    Jim Bacon

    The Virginia Education Association is much more than a professional association representing teachers. It is has become a force for political and social change in the state — an unaccountable force. Bloggers should insist on transparency of the VEA. How much of their dues is this organization spending on social and political advocacy that has no direct bearing on the mission of teaching? How many teachers who pay dues are aware what kind of policies their dues are supporting?

  2. republitarian Avatar
    republitarian

    The afore mentioned reasons are why I would never dream of sending my children to government schools. My wife homeschools our two oldest children for 500 dollars a year and there is plenty of interaction with other homeschooling families and our church.

    If you don’t want your kids to act like monkeys don’t put them in a zoo.

  3. My public schooling was wonderful…

    Jim – you say “a force for political and social change in the state”. How are they for change? It seems like they mostly stand for the status quo (and more funding for it).

  4. subpatre Avatar
    subpatre

    The VEA overwhelmingly contributes more to Democrats than Republican*. Contributions were about 2:1 in 2003, over 3:1 in 2004, and are currently ontrack with 7:1 this year. Republicans Potts, Chichester, Devolites, Dillard, and Norment received more than $1000 in 2003. No Republicans received over $1k in 2004 or 2005 (yet).

    VEA’s agenda is focused on maintaining their status quo: Increased teacher salaries! Surprised? Virginia per-capita income is 6% higher than national average, Virginia teachers average 6% lower than national average, so the VEA want’s 5% per year…. plus state mandates to the localities. It’s unfortunate the language used is a mangling of one of Marx’s dictums, “from each according to his ability….” while VEA ignores the corollary “….to each according to his need.”

    Virginia Family Foundation’s email is correct: VEA’s Legislative 2005 Agenda, goal number nine (of 10) is “Repeal of HB751: HB751 violates the basic, civil and constitutional rights of citizens of the Commonwealth. This invalidates many types of contracts that Virginians have used to construct legal arrangements, such as power of attorney, joint-custody arrangements, and medical directives.”

    We assume they mean HB751 for 2004, since other year’s HB751s are totally unrelated. We must also assume they really meant attempting to repeal Virginia Code § 20-45.3, prohibiting any legal arrangements between persons of same sex “purporting to bestow the privileges or obligations of marriage”.

    Other notable VEA (non-educational) goals are “seek a tax structure that is adequate, fair and equitable”; and a law requiring employers to permit parental employees to take up to four hours of leave annually in order to be involved in the child’s school. A legal eye-opener is VEA’s proposed constitutional amendment for binding arbitration, struck in 1978 for being an unconstitutional delegation of power removing essential power of supervision from local school boards. With some many boards being elected now, this would be a huge political change. Binding arbitration against the General Assembly anyone?

    The other notable is the absense of –as Mr. Bacon points out– any mention or hint or trace of accountability. For all the increased salaries, benefits, and protections; there’s no mention of any standard of learning. The social contract is still a contract. For giving this (taxes, liability shelter) the common folk should expect to get something in return.

    **From the good folks at Virginia Public Access Project
    1996 – 4:1 $6,425
    1997 – 9:1 $75,857
    1998 – 9:1 $13,125
    1999 – 5:1 $95,591
    2000 – 2:1 $22,559
    2001 – 9:1 $99,030
    2002 – 1:1 $38,350
    2003 – 2:1 $92,900
    2004 – 3:1 $61,256
    2005 – 7:1 $6,076
    10yr – 4:1 $511,168

  5. Jim Bacon Avatar
    Jim Bacon

    Thank you for quoting chapter and verse, Subpatre…. Obviously, you have a greater command of the subject matter than I do.

    I would add only this: Paul is correct in his statement that the VEA defends the status quo when it comes to educational policy. The answer to every educational deficiency is, “more money.” Hire more teachers, provide more resources and pay them higher salaries. But don’t hold teachers accountable in any way. No merit pay, for instance. No charter schools. No vouchers. No market mechanisms that allow citizens to become “consumers” of educational services. No sanctions against schools that fail to meet basic performance standards.

    Teachers are really important people. I wouldn’t have a problem paying them more if we could also demand more of them. I just don’t ever recall the VEA ever supporting the concept of accountability.

  6. republitarian Avatar
    republitarian

    Paul,

    It was????

    Depends on who you ask…

  7. not phil or steven Avatar
    not phil or steven

    What is taking place in this latest publication by the azure canine is as clear as a cloudless blue sky.

    Sission is such the shill.

    The reason his writing seems to be so inconsistent, is because other than the idiotic rants that are the “Valley Bluedog’s” pitiful attempts at satire,

    someone else is telling him what to say!

    By now attacking public school teachers prior to announcement of support for most candidates,

    and equating the VEA stand regarding contractual issues with homosexual marriage,

    the stage is being set to attack whoever receives the VEA recommendation as being pro gay marriage.

    Jim Bacon,
    Are you going to play along with this?

  8. Steven Avatar

    Apparently, the political satire works wonders on your ego. And if you only knew how much I enjoy pulling your strings on a daily basis.

    Such is life.

    ~ the puppet master (aka the blue dog)

  9. not phil or steven Avatar
    not phil or steven

    Mr. Bacon,

    At least you’re honest enough to recognize that you’re not close enough to the situation to form an opinion. Thank you…

    The point is, neither is Steven.

    He isn’t in a position to write knowledgably on the subject, nor has he attempted to contact individuals who could and would help clarify the VEA position.
    I know, I checked…

    The VEA position regards contractual issues, not gay marriage.

    “Goal 9: Repeal of HB751
    HB751 violates the basic, civil and constitutional rights of citizens of the Commonwealth. This invalidates many types of contracts that Virginians have used to construct legal arrangements, such as power of attorney, joint-custody arrangements, and medical directives.”

    Where in the above does it make reference to marriage between homosexual partners?

    It is currently “Against the Law” for an employer to offer insurance benefits to someone other than an employee’s imediate blood relation or family.

    Against the law…

    Why should the Government of Virginia intrude into an agreement between the employer and the employee?

    As is so often the case, Steven speaks with a sound of authority that he does not possess.

    Why is it do you suppose that we as a society are so very willing to believe the worst of institutions and people at the first hint of outrageous claims?

    Our school teachers are doing a wonderful job, in very challenging times, and for individuals like Sisson to throw out the accusation that the teacher’s organization is trying to affect social change like promotion of gay marriage borders on criminal intent to cause harm of reputation.

    Accountability as mentioned?

    What the heck are the Standards of Learning and No Child Left behind programs?

    The Standards of Learning have been in place for years now. Either this is the program of accountability that its proponents said, or what? Are the far rightists now saying that their flagship plan to reform public education at no cost to the taxpayer (another lie) has failed?

    Is it not holding schools, teachers, principals, and divisions accountable?

    Which is it? It can’t be both ways.

    We must separate politics from reality!

    Examine for yourself the different styles of writing and thought processes evident in the Sisson posts and columns.

    Could we perhaps be seeing the “Three Faces of Steve?”

  10. Steven Avatar

    After dealing with the VEA, Educrats and other VA teacher associations during the 2003 election cycle, the Blue Dog has become an advocate of school choice and vouchers. I had to learned the hard way and will not be duped again.

    The Blue Dog agrees, we must ‘learn’ to separate politics from reality!

    Last session, the Dems voted for a 60 million dollar tax credit for Philip Morris and then turned around and voted against school choice — 6 million tax credit for low income kids.

    They voted for a rich corporation and against low income and poor kids.

    Where in the heck is the world’s greatest political party these days?

    That will not look good on the Democratic brochures…

    ~ the blue dog

  11. republitarian Avatar
    republitarian

    KAPOOOWW,

    ANOTHER KNOCKOUT FOR STEVE “THE BLUE DOG” SISSON>

  12. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  13. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  14. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  15. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  16. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  17. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  18. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  19. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  20. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  21. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  22. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  23. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  24. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  25. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  26. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  27. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  28. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  29. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  30. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  31. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  32. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  33. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  34. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  35. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  36. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  37. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  38. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  39. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  40. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  41. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  42. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  43. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven... But is now "not steven"... Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven… But is now "not steven"…

    Let’s address once and for all the bluedog hatred for Governor Warner and the VEA.

    When he approached each of these entities for financial support in 2003,… They both said “I don’t think so…”

    Read back over Mr. Blue Dog’s commentary since, and you will find much supporting evidence…

    Why did the Gov. and the Teacher’s organization not support Mr. Sisson?

    Because he didn’t know what he was talking about, and Senator Hanger did, and would listen…

    Dear Mr. Sisson has not been able to get over that sleight since…

    And Mr. Sisson…

    What was the bill number that the Dems voted on which gave the choice of $60,0000,000 for Phillip Morris or $6,000,000 for poor kids?

    And one more question: Are the Dems in any position to dictate what gets passed or fails?

    How Steven can you make any case at all that the Dems are responsible?

    Give a vote count on your claim.

    Prove that you know what you’re talking about…

  44. the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven Avatar
    the blogger formerly known as not phil or steven

    Oh and by the way republitarian, Kapow…

  45. Steven Avatar

    Gotcha, again! Hook, line and sinker … this is way too easy!

    Who needs to cut bait with a sensitive Democrat in the Bacon Bits think tank?

    Btw, it’s Delegate Chris Saxman’s bill — Why don’t you look it up the vote count if you’re that interested. I don’t research for ‘anon’ paper tigers. Like I said, Blue Dog has become an advocate of school choice and vouchers. That’s the bottom line.

    AND for the record, because you’re misrepresenting the truth:
    (1) I don’t hate any individual — I’m a Christian.
    (2) I didn’t request a dime from Gov. Warner’s One VA PAC, but I did ask for a ‘photo op’ from the Governor’s office. It’s a good photo of Mollycoddle lecturing the Blue Dog about taxes — It’s also a keepsake from the campaign and will probably print in the upcoming book.
    (3) The VEA contributed to Hanger because I signed the Taxpayer Protection Pledge. That’s par for the course. Oh yeah, I believe the ‘local’ VEA organization contributed $250 to his campaign. That’s a powerful endorsement don’t you agree?

    Please try get over the 2003 election.

    I’m not running for office and you’re really starting to bore me.

    Yawn…

    ~ the blue dog

  46. not steven Avatar
    not steven

    Judge the tree by the fruit it bears…

    You made the claim, you have the responsibility to verify something when you’re the one stating it as fact.

    It’s called “Accountability.”

  47. republitarian Avatar
    republitarian

    HA, HA, HA, HA……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

  48. not steven Avatar
    not steven

    Steven Sisson elsewhere on this site:

    “Where’s the documented proof … the state government paperwork … the estimates on state revenue projections … where might I ask is the 3rd floor accountability?

    The Blue Dog says the link between Moody’s and Warner should be explored since the other agencies said nothing on AAA bond rating.”

    Why don’t you hold yourself to the standard you demand from others?

  49. not steven Avatar
    not steven

    Another question Steven.

    You state above that:

    “Last session, the Dems voted for a 60 million dollar tax credit for Philip Morris and then turned around and voted against school choice — 6 million tax credit for low income kids.”

    Then later you stated:

    “Btw, it’s Delegate Chris Saxman’s bill — Why don’t you look it up the vote count if you’re that interested.”

    Help me here Steven, is Chris Saxman not a republican?
    Are you saying that the dems are at fault for a republican initiative?

    Are you also accusing Delegate Saxman of wanting to hurt poor children?

  50. Steven Avatar

    Delegate Saxman patron the school choice bill, oh duh…

    Everyone can plainly see, you are the one who is misinformed — and I’m sick and tired of the personal attacks.

    Therefore, I am not going to reply to your post A-N-Y-M-O-R-E… because I do have standards and you obviously don’t.

    Fact is, the ‘not steven’ anonymous blogger is not accountable.

    ~ the blue dog

  51. republitarian Avatar
    republitarian

    he does have some interesting questions there Steve . Sure you culdn’t answer just one or two for fun.

  52. not steven... Avatar
    not steven…

    I hereby rest my case…

    Please note that Mr. Sisson’s original argument went unsubstantiated…. And unverified….

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