Public Private Partnership Laws Need a New Look

Norfolk MidTown Tunnel. Photo credit: Virginian-Pilot.

The Virginian-Pilot has published a polished version of a blog post I wrote last month. In case you missed the original, here it is.  — JAB

While Virginia’s Public Private Partnership Act may be experiencing growing pains as projects from the Midtown and Downtown tunnels to HOT lanes on Interstate 95 see the light of day and invite public scrutiny, there is little doubt that PPPs, or P3s, are the wave of the future.

Indeed, the United States is something of a laggard in embracing this financing tool, which draws upon private-sector capital and management to build roads and other infrastructure. Europe has roughly five times the P3 investment as the U.S. Even Latin America exceeds the U.S. as a market for this type of project.

However, P3s are getting more attention in the United States as resistance to higher taxes starves federal and state governments of funds to ameliorate congestion and promote economic development.

Two recent reports, one from the libertarian-leaning Reason Foundation and the other from the center-left Brookings Institution, are a sign that P3s are gaining legitimacy as a transportation-funding option.

In Reason’s “Risk and Rewards of Public-Private Partnerships,” author Baruch Feigenbaum writes that PPPs have five major advantages. They deliver needed transportation infrastructure sooner, raise large new sources of capital, shift risk from taxpayers to investors, provide a business-like approach and enable innovation. “PPPs can be utilized in most types of projects and are most successful in states with strong enabling legislation.”

Imilia Istrate and Roberto Puentes at Brookings write in “Moving Forward on Public Private Partnerships” that P3s are complex contracts, and negotiating them is not a task for amateurs and part-timers. They suggest that states develop “public private partnership units,” entities within the government that develop the technical and financial expertise to evaluate, negotiate and monitor P3 projects. It is encouraging to see that the paper specifically cites the Office of Transportation Public-Private Partnerships in Virginia as one of only three examples of a genuine “public-private partnership unit” among the 50 states.

Virginians should take pride in the state’s recognition as a leader in implementing P3s, but the commonwealth’s enabling law, which was written in 1995 and amended in 2005, still may need massaging. As I reported in “Promises and Pitfalls” on dev.baconsrebellion.com, there is an inherent tension between inviting public input and protecting the integrity of the complex negotiations between the state and the private-sector concessionaire.

Citizens have a right to know how these mega-projects will affect them before deals are signed, and they should have some right of appeal if the terms are onerous. Yet openness and transparency must be tempered by the reality that it would be difficult to complete a transaction if the public were involved at every turn, especially if key negotiating points were politicized.

A related problem is the project selection. The most fundamental question we need to ask ourselves is, “Should this road, bridge or tunnel even be built in the first place?” It is of little comfort to know that a P3 can bring in a project cheaper and faster if we’re building infrastructure in a location that cannot be economically justified.

In Virginia, P3s circumvent the normal process for approving transportation projects. The Commonwealth Transportation Board, which sets priorities for traditionally funded projects, is informed of major P3 developments, but its approval is not required.

The McDonnell administration will have $1.5 billion in state funds to allocate to P3 contracts, which can commit the state to concessions lasting 50 to 80 years, cost citizens billions of dollars in tolls and impose financial penalties should the state undertake other projects, even decades from now, that might cut into toll revenue. Once a project advances beyond the concept stage, no forum exists for the public to question, debate or comment upon major terms and conditions.

By drawing attention to the problems inherent in the P3 enabling legislation, I do not mean to single out Gov. Bob McDonnell for criticism. The governor is working within the rules created by previous administrations.

But he is pursuing P3s more aggressively than his predecessors, and the flaws in the law are manifesting themselves on his watch. I’m not sure how we strike the right balance between transparency and confidentiality, but we need to do a better job.

Upon reflection, I would add one more point. Another advantage of P3s is that they rely upon toll revenues, which conform to the bedrock principle that those who use and/or benefit (from higher land values) from a transportation project are the ones who ought to pay for it. In an ideal world, P3s would require no state money — they would be entirely supported through tolls and/or capture of increased property values. In an ideal world, there would be no doubt that the project is economically justified. In the real world, P3s always have a state contribution. The greater the state subsidy, the greater the cause for skepticism that a project is economically justified and the greater the reason to suspect that project is being undertaken for the benefit of special interests and not the public. Still, P3s provide a level of transparency into the economics of a transportation project that we don’t get from conventional funding methods.


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33 responses to “Public Private Partnership Laws Need a New Look”

  1. Jim, a bigger problem than projects that require state funding is a project that has no private funding — the construction of the Silver Line. Bechtel worked Mark Warner and Tim Kaine to avoid an investment. And the Fairfax County BoS nodded agreement.

  2. Can you really classify the Silver Line as a public-private partnership? Bechtel has no ownership stake. It’s just the contractor.

  3. In Fredericksburg – they needed to build a new courts complex but there were several different locations and phasing scenarios and the city decided to put out a PPP that allowed proposals for different configurations and phasings and it would involve proprietary information so it was a PPP proposal and most of the criteria for choosing the winner was not released to the public until after the winner was chosen.

    The city’s position was that they got better proposals than if the whole process was wide open to the public.

    Even if true – if this becomes the “new” way to bid projects, I see big trouble ahead.

  4. Groveton Avatar

    Private Public Partnerships are just the Republicans’ way of raising taxes. Instead of increasing the tax rate so that government can do more they reduce the services provided with the tax money being collected. Either way, I am paying more for public services.

  5. Larry, Dulles Rail, Phase I, is being built under the PPTA. Raytheon first proposed a BRT system under this law. Then Bechtel and West Group proposed heavy rail because it would allow greater density. And that was the last time Dulles Rail was about transportation. Raytheon sold its operations to Morrison Knudsen. MK and Bechtel joined forces, with West Group dropping out. Magic happened, and the project became heavy rail, with no competitive bidding or investment by the private parties to the Partnership.
    Groveton, the PPTA was enacted in the mid-90s, with bipartisan support. The bill’s chief patron was Senator Elliot S. Schewel (D). The original law gave the State Corporation Commission certificate of authority and rate approval functions. The next year and before the law took effect, Senator Schewel patroned a law amending the PPTA that eliminated the role of the SCC. George Allen was Governor.

  6. Private Public Partnerships are just the Republicans’ way of raising taxes. Instead of increasing the tax rate so that government can do more they reduce the services provided with the tax money being collected. Either way, I am paying more for public services.

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    Regardless of who is responsible, Groveton is correct: it is a way of collecting off the books taxes. And, unlke taxes, it is going to be hard to repeal these contracts. Anyone who thinks government is not on the hook for these things has rocks in his head.

    When a PPP contains and anticompetition clause,it si also an off the books subsidy, that cannot be repealed.

    We are going to rue the day we let some Pied Piper lead us into thinking this was a way to get something “free – no cost” in the immortal words of JAB.

  7. No one thinks toll roads are free. But quite a few people believe that it’s better to charge users than tax everyone for roads that may or may not be useful to the general public. Until people have faith in Virginia’s transportation system, they are not going to support higher transportation taxes. And when the CTB supports building an Outer Beltway that is not a Beltway, it’s going to be a long, long time before the trust is gained.
    A public poll was just produced indicating 77% opposed an increase in the federal gas tax. 58% supported tolls over higher taxes. 55% supported public-private partnerships to build infrastructure. 65% believe government spends transportation tax dollars ineffectively. http://reason.org/files/reason_rupe_transportation_poll.pdf

  8. ….than tax everyone for roads (or anything else) that may or may not be useful to the general public.

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    If we are going down that road, then we need a much much better system of calculating who benefits from what. The cost of that system will be much higher than what anyone saves by claiming that they are not a beneficiary of what society does. As we go down this road, we had better capture the transactions costs and figure that into the equation. this is going to come down to whether you want to pay money to collect money, or whether you want to build transportation. I suspect the costs of doing things this way will be HIGHER than the costs of just borrowing the money.

    Well, you will say, we can’t borrow the money because we are up against our debt limit. Actually, we can’t borrow the money because we do not have an assured cash flow in place. notice that the first thing the PPPs do is make sure they have an assured cash flow in place, then, magically they can borrow all kinds of money. With the taxpaer still on the hidden hook, just like Fannie Mae.

    This is a giant hoax. Transurban, for example, is not a transportation company, it is an investment bank, and their banking practices in Australia have been suspect. We are going to regret allowing non-government entities to put their hands in our pockets.

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    58% support tolls over higher taxes. What that says is that 58% favor taxes that are higher and more expensive to collect over just somewhat higher taxes. Not only does it not make any sense, it doesn’t make any difference: the same amount of money is going to come out of the economy to build and repair the infrastructure we all depend on, whether we use it or not.

    What this really says is that 58% of people think THEY won’t have to pay the tolls. As tolls catch on and ecome more ubiquitous, and more people discover the true cost, they are going to re-think this, just as we have in the past. And, like the belief that government spends transportation dollars ineeficiently, it is an easy belief to have, there being no real comparison. Unless you travel overseas, and realize what a fabulous job the US does.

    Everyone who sees money spent that they do not directly benefit from thinks that is a waste of THEIR money. This translates into a perfectly selfish “loss of faith”. This is a false belief system for three reasons: 1)we do not have an adequate system for determining who benefits, 2) once the money is paid to government it is not our personal money 3) none of us pays enough to complain about more than one project that we think does not benefit us, yet we re-use this argument and compalin aobut re-spending our puny hypothetical money on the “wrong” things over and over. What we replace the lost faith with is the belief that we as individuals know everything, even better than an organization of hundreds of minds collecting information from thousands of sources.

    Nobody likes collectivism, but the fact remains that we have organizations for a reason: they can do more and bigger things than the individual.

  9. How”would”you”rate”the”job”performance”of”President”Barack”Obama?”
    How”would”you”rate”the”job”performance”of”Congress?”

    You are kidding me, right? This is a poll? Where are the criteria for rating performance? You cannot run any kind of valid test without FIRST establishing what amounts to success or failure. With open questions like this you get opinions, but you have almost no idea on what.

  10. If”10″percent”of”all”commuters”in”your”area”use”transit”systems,”would”you” say”the”transit”system”should”receive:

    10%”of”Transportation”Funding 33%
    More”than”10%”of”Transportation”Funding 33%
    Less”than”10%”of”Transportation”Funding 15%
    Don’t”Know/”No”Opinion 18%

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    Well, this is a crazy result. The ten percent of eople who use transit also use the roadways. if they get 10% of the funding for transit, then they are getting a totally free ride when they use the roads.

    The obvious correct answer here is that they should get less than ten pecent of the funding.

    Unless you think that transporting one person by transit is somehow more valuable than transporting one person by auto, with all the other benefits that provides.

    On the other hand, this shows us to be an extremely generous people: only nine persent use transit, yet 66% would choose to overfund transit.

  11. 51% drive alone to work and 72% arrive in less than a half hour, in spite of the fact that 30% experience routine congestion.

    This blows Larry’s theory about long distance drivers causing the problem.
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    Would”you”say”the”overall”quality”and”condition”of”your”area’s”
    transportation”system”is”excellent,”good,”fair,”or”poor?”

    Excellent 6%
    Good 35%
    Fair 35%
    Poor 16%

    This strikes me as an almost perfect result, (given the lack of criteria) and indicative of what a good job our transportation system does. This is almost a perfect bell curve. If you had a high percentage saying the system was excellent or terrible, then you might complain that government was over or under spending.

  12. everyone seems to think traffic is worse now than it was, and will be worse still in the future.

    This is “The Good Old Days” syndrome. We forget that in the good old days we paid a much higher percentage of our income for transportation. Transportation that was more dangersous and less reliable.

  13. ” If we are going down that road, then we need a much much better system of calculating who benefits from what.”

    this is a difference between a tax and a user fee.

    for instance, your argument could be used to justify “free” license plates or “free” building permits or “free water/sewer because they can be said to benefit everyone…

    when you tie a fee to something specific to a person – that it a need of that person – it’s different from a tax.

    Using your logic – how would you decide whether or not to toll the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel?

    would you say that the toll should be paid by individuals who use the span or by all taxpayers because the span “benefits” in some way all citizens?

    Should all citizens pay for one individual’s building permit because that building is a “benefit” to everyone?

  14. Should all citizens pay for one individual’s building permit …..

    You can stop right there.

    The rest of the sentence does not matter.
    Why should anyone have to pay for a building permit? The government (meaning all of us) has put itself in the business of issuing building permits, under the police rule, ostensibly for the protection and good order of everyone.

    Without that mutual protection clause there is no authorization for the government to require a building permit. It is up to government to set the standards or criteria for passing the test that results in a building permit. government can request information necessary to determine if the criteria have been met.

    There is no reason for the applicant to have to pay the government to do its job. I was incensed when the INS, after delaying my application without notice for over two years, then came back and suggested my application could be “expedited” in return for a payment of $15,000.

    It is governments job to handle applications, and it does so on behalf of all of us. There is no reason for someone who wants to have the same thing as most everyone else has, should have to pay for permission to build it. Set the rules, and make a checklist or decision tree that defines the steps and documents needed. If you make it to the bottom of the list, you can submit your documents and application with good assurance it will be approved.

    Good god, if Turbo Tax can guide you through the tax code, how hard can this be?

  15. this is a difference between a tax and a user fee.

    We have been down this road before. there is no difference: a user fee is a directed tax. Here you have a tax that is collected by a on government agency, too lazy to collect its own taxes for its own servies. you have a goverment that is going to pay someone else to collect its taxes.

    This is going to result in problems.

  16. for instance, your argument could be used to justify “free” license plates or “free” building permits or “free water/sewer because they can be said to benefit everyone…

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    Well, by george, you are catching on. What makes you think that you have the right to first regulate someone, and then make them pay you for the privilege?

    That is a crazy situation that we as free people should fight tooth and nail.

    Let’s suppose there is a vacant house. Not too hard a supposition, these days. I can rent or buy that house and move in, causing the exact same bad results to street use and school and sewer use as if I had built a house on the lot next door. No one will try to stop me.

    Why should the guy who wants to bring his house with him have to go through months of waiting, public hearings, pay thousands of dollars in proffers AND pay thousands more for a sewage hookup ann driveway permit?

    That isn’t taxation, it is discrimination. It is a negative subsidy, whichis even worse than a regular subsidy. at least if you subsidize something, presumably it is something that is valuable and you are willing to pay for.

    If people want the government to have control on their behalf, then they had better be prepared to pay for it, and not foist that cost off on the person being controlled. We do not (yet) require only criminals to pay for the police, do we?

  17. when you tie a fee to something specific to a person – that it a need of that person – it’s different from a tax.

    Using your logic – how would you decide whether or not to toll the Chesapeake Bay Bridge Tunnel?

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    Fine, let’s have a user fee for elementary school.

    Whether or not to toll is the wrong question. Arguably the entire state is better off because of the bridge, not just the people who use it, although they may get an additional benefit. This quickly becomes a question for who gets what and what is it worth: property rights.

    Its the same problem as ten percent usinsg transit. Does that mean transit gets ten percent of funding? Of course not, because transit users get other benefits as well.

    Sure, if you had a perfect system of user fees, everyone would pay their own true costs, no “taxes” would be needed because we all paid for our services and benefits. Such a system would bankrupt us.

    If you have four people at a table, you might ask for separate checks, but with 7.5 million at the table, you would be crazy to do that.

  18. or benefit (from higher land values) from a transportation project .

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    Now wait a minute.

    If I have to pay for the inreased land value, I have not got any benefit: it goes to zero. And I am going to pay higher taxes on it which means YOU benefit from the transportation project.

  19. re: “freedom”. Most of these laws requiring approval for uses and building codes, and preventing your neighbor from growing hogs in his backyard are DEMANDED by other property owners who fear their own rights abrogated.

    More than that – the Constitution specifically authorizes it.

    it requires personnel to administratively process your permit and your fees pay for that and they are considered your costs because you are pursuing something that does require a permit.

    this is actually not a trivial question. Last year our BOS wanted to know how much the code compliance department was costing the county and how much of that cost was paid for with fees and how much with taxpayer dollars.

    the issue ended up with the realization that the more growth we had – the more taxpayers would have to pay and it was decided this was a legitimate cost for the person who needed to have their buildings certified to be in compliance with the code.

    so now, we even have the fire department performing annual inspections of public places and charging for that inspection. It’s not a taxpayer-provided service.

  20. the issue ended up with the realization that the more growth we had – the more taxpayers would have to pay…

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    I am sorry to tell you this, but that “realization” is wrong.

    In fact, it is little more than a hysterical communal psychosis, driven by an unrelenting onslaught of advertising by special interests, like the sponsors, or former sponsors of of bacons rebellion.

    Several times, i have prevented the facts showing that over the last 30 to 40 years ALL of the original AND current new citizens of Loudoun conty are better off in terms of assessed value fo property owned and income earned AFTER THE ADDITITIONAL TAXES PAID, than the residents of Fauquier county which has follwed an exteme conservation policy.

    And that is IN SPITE OF adding hundreds of thousands of new residents, dozens of new schools, and an entire new transportation system.

    THIS CLAIM IS BOGUS.

    Yes, you will pay more.

    The tax rate in Loudon vs Fauquier is now $1.285 vs $0.97. IT IS THE RETURN ON YOUR TAX INVESTMENT THAT COUNTS.

    Even those Loudoun residents who did NOTHING to improve their properties made huge profits. I will be ahppy to provide a few photos to prove my point. Hundred year old farm houses next door to multi million dollar mansions. Is it gentrification? Yes.

    I will gladly buy a Lexus for the person who thinks they want to gentrify me, and who thinks they can get past my county supervisor. I can buy an even better poverty stricken, beautiful, and historical farm for a fraction of the price this one MIGHT sell for. What we are talking about is the farm equivalent of adopting a pet from the pound.

    I am as historically maudlin as anyone else. There is stuff here that has been here for two hundred years. Some seriously cool stuff used to be here, until I found out what it was worth. We are talking antiques road show.

    Now ask me if I would trade it all for a 100 acre truck stop turning a million a month, plus an 80 acre estate next door. Remember, my present allowed operations barely clear $75/per acre.

    I am no truck stop groupie, but those are real numbers. The closest truck stop is the vistor center in Centeville, and it is jammed, 24/7. And no fuel, showers, truck wash, service, showers, or food.

    We are gonna ignore hookers.

    You figure it out.

  21. My supervisors name is Peter Schwartz.

    Feel free to call him and tel him waht you feel.

  22. Most of these laws requiring approval for uses and building codes, and preventing your neighbor from growing hogs in his backyard are DEMANDED by other property owners who fear their own rights abrogated.

    I have no problem with that, provided they share their abrogation, with the benefits provided by the supplication.

  23. Most of these laws requiring approval for uses and building codes, and preventing your neighbor from growing hogs in his backyard are DEMANDED by other property owners who fear their own rights abrogated

    Yes, but there is no uniform code by which they might prove such fears.

    .

  24. More than that – the Constitution specifically authorizes it.

    You have a CITATION?

  25. US: ” A General Welfare clause is a section that appeared in many constitutions, as well as in some charters and statutes, which provides that the governing body empowered by the document may enact laws to promote the general welfare of the people.”

    VA Constitution: ” Section 3. Government instituted for common benefit.

    That government is, or ought to be, instituted for the common benefit, protection, and security of the people, nation, or community; of all the various modes and forms of government, that is best which is capable of producing the greatest degree of happiness and safety,”

    this gives the gov the right to determine these things….

    things such as land use, zoning, building codes, etc have been uniformly upheld as a legitimate power of govt.

  26. Most of these laws requiring approval for uses and building codes, and preventing your neighbor from growing hogs in his backyard are DEMANDED by other property owners who fear their own rights abrogated

    Yes, but there is no uniform code by which they might prove such fears.

    As you point out the lasws are based on a general welfare clause, and more generally on the police clause, but think what that means.

    People cannot justifiably have a law enacted simply becasuse they fear adverse events. if they manage to prevent an operation worth $100,000 because they fear and adverse event of $1000, they have REDUCED the general welfare and violated the clause of which you speak and the reason for the restrictions to begin with.

    As I pointed out, there is no uniform code by which such fears may be quantified.

  27. Several times, i have prevented the facts showing that over the last 30 to 40 years ALL of the original AND current new citizens of Loudoun conty are better off in terms of assessed value fo property owned and income earned AFTER THE ADDITITIONAL TAXES PAID, than the residents of Fauquier county which has follwed an exteme conservation policy.

    And that is IN SPITE OF adding hundreds of thousands of new residents, dozens of new schools, and an entire new transportation system.

    It is clear repudiation of the idea that the more growth we had – the more taxpayers would have to pay, so the people who act on that belief are violating the general welfare clause that gives them the power to act.

  28. re: uniform code. yup.. they are.. and the codes we have are what people have generally agreed to per our form of governance. In general if too many people did not like the code – elected would be thrown out, right?

    re: people are better off from growth. Perhaps according to you – using the criteria that you hold in high regard but the choice belongs to the people who are impacted … for instance… more traffic, congestion.. etc….

  29. If you want to see a public private partnership in action, look at the one Warrento cooked up to fundy the Mosby Museum. Don’t know the details but it is something like the town can’t accept grant money from the feds so there are two private partnerships. One bought the museum from the town, the other is a nonprofit. Itgets the grant money, leases the musem from the first investor, and then turns around and leases it bak to the town!

    Free- No Cost.

  30. re: people are better off from growth. Perhaps according to you – using the criteria that you hold in high regard…….
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    Not at all. You are reading this completely wrong. All I said is that using objective (government census) data one can show that the residents of Loudoun have had bigger gains in the money they earn and the property they own. This is per person, in spite of the fact that Loudoun added over 250,000 people.

    It is a difference of billions of dollars in accumulated (measurable) wealth.

    What this means is that we can put a price on the lack of crowding and lack of traffic in Fauquier county. It cost the residents of the county 13.5 billion dollars, more or less.

    And yet, due to extensive misrepresentation and eadvertising by the likes of AFT, PEC, Hope Porter, and even members of the county government, most people believe they are saving money by preventing growth.

    As in the claim that started this argument “…the issue ended up with the realization that the more growth we had – the more taxpayers would have to pay”.

    The true fact of the situation is that preventing growth is costing them money, lots of money.

    Now, whether what they get in return ($13.5 billion worth of bucolic country charm) is worth the cost is another matter, but given the actual data you cannot argue about the cost. As long as they know the truth, and still make the choice you suggest, so be it. But to make such a choice while being told by their leaders they are “saving money” is simply malfeasance of office.

    Not only that, but it is wrong to say that “the choice belongs to the people who are impacted … for instance… more traffic, congestion.. etc….” the impact also occurs to those who are prevented from enjoying the profits of growth: the ones who go someplace else when they cannot get in here.

    There are 3000 counties in the States and most of them have some kind of growth restrictions. There are 95 in Virgina (plus the cities) if the richest counties restrict their growth to 1% and a few residents of the poorest counties try to move, then what have you got? Who suffers the impact of those growth restrictions? How would you determine if the General Welfare is improved?

    On the one hand, those in the restricted growth areas get a free increase in value, for which they have to do nothing, based on the artificially restricted supply over demand. On the other hand, that increase pales in value compared to what they might have had with unrestricted or less restricted growth. And, to calculate the General Welafare Index, you would have to include the costs to those who were prevented from coming.

    Say in Fauquier you have one guy with a million dollars worth of property, and in Loudon, in the same space you have 2 people, each with a million in property. You just cant claim the people there first are the only nes affected AND claim they get their rights through some claim of General Welfare.

    So, I’m not talking about the present code of governance or the code of zoning, I am talking about a uniform a way of presenting how we determine the public good: the Gross National Happiness, as Bhutan puts it.

  31. ” All I said is that using objective (government census) data one can show that the residents of Loudoun have had bigger gains in the money they earn and the property they own. ”

    still you are equating a gain in housing value with whether or not someone prefers that over crowded schools and congested highways and much higher taxes.

    you don’t “gain” with growth …. especially after there is a housing collapse.

    people have a right through their governance to decide how fast and how much growth they get even if it benefits them financially and especially so if it costs them in quality of life and higher taxes.

    you cannot get around this. It’s up to the people who are affected to decide what things they value – not someone else.

    Using your logic – a gated community could not limit the number of houses if people’s value increased from more houses regardless of the other impacts.

    if taxes have to go up to pay for increased growth – please have a right to say they do not like the trade-off even if in your opinion it’s a good trade.

    you fundamentally misunderstand how governance works…

  32. still you are equating a gain in housing value with whether or not someone prefers that over crowded schools and congested highways and much higher taxes
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    O, you are wrong. I am saying specifically that by comparing two jurisdiction that were once very similar, you can see and monetize the cost of those subjective values you think I don’t recognize.

    Even after paying higher taxes, loudon residents earn more and own more. They will have more and retire sooner than fauquier residents, and drive less distance to work.

    Fauquier has some other stuff, nut they did not get it for free. They paid $13.5 billion for it.

    They might think that is a worthwhile trade. But how can they think that, when they are bombarded with lies over what they are saving?

    Consider schools. Fauquier sports a number of private schools. Every child they educate also amounts to a charity gift to the public schools. Loudoun has dozens of brand new public schools, paid for with higher taxes, and parents send their children to them, instead of private schools.

  33. ” O, you are wrong. I am saying specifically that by comparing two jurisdiction that were once very similar, you can see and monetize the cost of those subjective values you think I don’t recognize”

    it not values you recognize or not or even what you consider to be value – it’s what others believe and express with their votes.

    that’s the essence of governance and it’s not all about money and monetizing for a lot of people who think that quality of life suffers when there is too much growth too fast because invariably the roads go to hell in a handbasket and schools get crowded and places to recreate get scarcer.

    but the big point here is that you are using your own value system and assert that it should be the same for others – and it’s not.

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