From tiny acorns, massive tax-fed government benefit programs grow. Case in point, the pending Virginia paid leave bureaucracy.

By Derrick Max

Sitting on Governor Glenn Youngkin’s desk is a paid family and medical leave bill that would provide eight weeks of paid leave per year for most employees in the Commonwealth. The program would pay employees 80 percent of their weekly salary up to an amount equal to 80 percent of the regional average salary for their qualified leave. Interestingly, teachers, state employees, and constitutional officers are not covered under this program — presumably, these employees already have paid leave benefits and the General Assembly did not want to tax their allies.

The arguments against mandatory paid family and medical leave policies are well known. First, mandated paid-leave increases leave usage — thus harming firm productivity, particularly in smaller businesses where absent employees have a far greater negative impact. Second, studies show that mandated leave has a negative impact on female workers, who are more likely to use time off to care for children or aging parents, especially if that leave is paid. This fact is surely considered during hiring and promotion considerations. Third, mandated paid leave limits the ability of employees to choose wages or other benefits they may value more than paid leave. In fact, the taxes used to cover paid leave are an employment tax that reduces employment and puts downward pressure on wages.

In addition to these practical concerns about implementing a mandatory paid leave program, the bill passed in Virginia is far worse than most such bills. The bill on Governor Youngkin’s desk will require a new 250-person agency that would initially collect a .66 percent tax on employment divided between employees and employers. While the tax is technically divided, economic studies show that over time, employers typically pass on the “incidence” of their portion of the tax to employees through lower wages.

It is also important to note that the Virginia bill will tax all wages up to the Social Security Wage Cap which is $168,600. Thus high-wage workers will pay $1,113 per year, while low-income workers ($30,000 per year) will pay $200 per year with very little difference in benefits. By comparison, several states cap the taxable wage at half the Social Security cap. Additionally, most of the 13 states with mandatory leave have a lower tax-to-benefit ratio and the ones that use private insurance to operate their programs have far greater benefits at much lower costs without having to fund a massive government agency.

The taxes collected under this new paid leave program would be used to pay an estimated $1.4 billion into a “Family and Medical Leave Trust Fund” needed to cover first-year leave benefits and the $33 million needed to pay for the annual cost of reviewing claims and doling out the new leave benefits. This, it turns out, is a difficult process. In Oregon, where they have a similar program it takes months for employees to get their leave reimbursements, putting employees at great risk. Because it will take two years to set up this massive new agency, the bill authorizes a loan of $100 million to cover start-up costs to be paid back by 2032 (the bill estimates that they will borrow $70 million next year, and $30 million the following year).

According to the official fiscal impact statement for this bill, by 2030 (just four years after it is created), this program will begin paying out more in benefits ($1.834 billion) than it collects in tax revenue ($1.686 billion) — meaning the trust fund will have an annual deficit of over $148 million in 2030 ($181.5 million if you add in annual operating costs). Using conservative estimates, without added taxes, this means the trust fund would run actual deficits by 2038. Of course, the legislation requires the trust fund to be fully funded at 140 percent of the prior year’s expenditures, meaning those who wrote this bill knew that taxes would need to be raised to meet its obligations. In short, the .66 percent tax in the bill is the camel’s nose under the tent that legislatures know is not nearly enough to fund this program over the long term. Within five years, taxes will have to grow to 1 percent, and within ten years to 1.25 percent of payroll.

Of course, the above assumes the benefits under this act remain the same. This is not likely. The original bill provided 12 weeks of paid leave, a month more than is included in the final version sitting on the Governor’s desk. As with most entitlements, supporters often pass a lower benefit bill knowing that once the program is in place, they can grow it over time. The intent of the authors is clear; 12 weeks of paid leave per year is their goal.

What is lost in this current debate is that just two years ago, Virginia implemented a provision to allow for private insurance to cover wages during family and medical leave. This was a reasonable approach to build on the large number of employers who already provide paid leave to their employees privately. The law made it easier to expand such leave benefits to small and medium businesses through an insurance instrument, without a massive new government agency and risky new government trust fund. Last year, AFLAC was the first company to be approved as a seller of this new insurance instrument.

This was the right approach, as most employees already have paid leave options as reported recently by the Cato Institute. Because these programs are not mandated “one size fits all” benefits, they are tailored to the needs of individual employers with their employees as a part of broader benefits packages. The danger of mandated paid family and medical leave is that it will limit flexibility and harm small employers who cannot afford to have employees take extended leave. Worse yet, many large businesses may opt to end their more generous private leave plans because of the complexity of getting their plans approved as an alternative to the government-mandated program.

Governor Youngkin should veto this bill — and allow the private market to continue to close the gap in paid leave benefits through private insurance and employer-employee benefit negotiations. The Democrat’s dystopian view of employers as unwilling or unable to help accommodate the needs of their employees without the heavy hand of government is backward thinking.

Derrick Max is the President of the Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy, which first published this commentary.


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60 responses to “Proposed Tax for Leave Pay Guaranteed to Grow”

  1. Having government get involved in market place — what could go wrong [oh yeah, just look at the USPS].

    1. Not Today Avatar
      Not Today

      USPS ran just fine til Congress intervened and saddled it with debt then DeKILLjoy got involved to finish the job.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      And the state VEC did such a good job distributing UI benefits accurately during the pandemic, what could go wrong there? 🙁

    3. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      People get their Social Security and Medicare. Airplanes are safer than ever. The govt puts up GPS and NOAA satellites that play a significant role in the economy.

      People who are self-employed, now can get health insurance. People who work but can’t afford ACA can get Medicaid.

      You can find “bad” govt but you can also find “bad” businesses. Ditto – there is, in fact, GOOD govt also.

      Perfect? No. But not terrible either unless one just needs to focus that way in general about everything IMO.

  2. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    The veto pen is needs refilling.

    1. Teddy007 Avatar
      Teddy007

      Once again, the Republicans refuse to be a populist party of the working class but just go back to their home of pandering to management and the wealthy.

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Wonder what percentage of bankruptcies would be averted by short-term disability compensation such as this?

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      Wow. How did the human race survive for millenia without this?
      How many bankruptcies would be avoided if we quit subsidizing illegitimacy? How many prison terms? How much crime?
      Yeah, let’s give more money to the (do I have a limited use license here to say Imperial Clown Show in Richmond DJR?)

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        You clearly have never known anyone who went bankrupt, or have known a bankruptcy lawyer. When last I checked, 1/3 of all bankruptcy began with “minor” medical expenses, e.g., a broken bone, that put someone out of work for a month, maybe two.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          yes. More than a 1/3 I bet.

          and the thing is, most folks have some kind of insurance BECAUSE of the govt – to begin with!

        2. walter smith Avatar
          walter smith

          Oh…I don’t know anyone who has ever filed bankruptcy? That’s not true…and even for medical bills! But that one could be more due to our broken medical system with no market pricing. Meanwhile, this dumb law will make it harder to hire more people and will impose costs on all employees and employees who have no desire to have children. And you have never been in charge of a large work force. It might surprise you to find that there will be employees who will abuse this “right” and then there will be legal and administrative costs. Again, somehow we procreated in this country and survived without this government “help.” One might argue we would be better off without all the government “help,” and try freedom and less taxes.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            “About 66.5% of bankruptcies are caused by medical debt”

            https://www.usatoday.com/money/blueprint/debt/can-medical-bankruptcy-help-with-medical-bills/#:~:text=About%2066.5%25%20of%20bankruptcies%20are,less%20than%20a%20year%20old.

            Beyond that, if health insurance insurers could operate like auto and home insurers, many of us would not have insurance at all – the govt forces insurance companies to cover those they’d refuse to cover if they could ….

            Ditto with Medicare. If Medicare could charge according to your medical risk factors – like private insurers would also do if they could – how many could not afford it – even if they could get it.

            re: market pricing”

            show me a country that does this and it works.

            NADA!

          2. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Uh huh. Good luck getting “coverage” in UK and Canada. Canada would MAID you in a second. (Medical Assistance in Dying)
            Show me a control with “free medicine” and it works. How come rich people in those countries come here? Govt is currently always the problem, and more govt just makes it worse.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Everyone has coverage in Canada and the UK.

            Why do they come here?

            A few do who are wealthy to get high dollar care just like our own wealthy do that the less wealthy cannot afford.

            Why do we go to Canada for drugs?

            Show me a country that has that “market” you speak of that makes cheap health care available to all.

          4. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            And, as ever, your bogus headline as fact actually says “contributed” – so does a cable bill, an electric bill, a porn addiction, a gambling addiction, spending too much, drinking, blah blah blah

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            “For patients, medical debt has become a leading cause of personal bankruptcy, with an estimated $88 billion of that debt in collections nationwide, according to the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.”

            https://apnews.com/article/medical-debt-legislation-2a4f2fab7e2c58a68ac4541b8309c7aa

    2. WayneS Avatar

      Perhaps some, but 8 weeks per year?

      That’s 15% of the year – every year.

      And, as the author points out, it is likely to get extended to 12 weeks as soon as the “progressives” in the GA can get away with it.

      There has to be a better way than creating another government-run entitlement program.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Well, I would look at the rest of the G20. How and what do they do?

    3. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Wonder how many people simply will not get hired because the total cost of labor has grown so high? Or because the hiring officer suspects they will be an earn and burn employee? Two sides to the issue, Nancy.

      Another aspect of this is it is all employees, all. If you have one, they will be able to claim this. I’m not sure the federal FMLA does that to the smallest of employers, under 50 workers or even under 10.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Wow, I’ll bet similar things were said about 40-hour workweeks, sick leave, vacation, retirement bennies, healthcare insurance, etc., etc.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          yes. exactly. Heckfire… if we didn’t have those pesky child labor laws.. we could do even better!

  4. Not Today Avatar
    Not Today

    VA Bill attempts to give the state’s working residents some fraction of what workers in 37 of 38 other OECD nations receive. Cue the four horsemen or chicken little…or both.

  5. Not mentioned here, but I would be curious how y’all think about it: the bill was amended to effectively say the state will have to create regulations for its employees to meet the standards of the act. And, it seemed to me, this conveniently curtailed the fiscal impact to the state itself as an employer.

  6. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    lemme see. The countries in the world with the highest per capita productivity, quality of life, and life expectancy do this – so it must be a horrible thing, right?

    Not everything to like about it but knee-jerk Conservatism is no big winner either IMO.

    Surely there is a compromise here to discourage the usual slackers who will abuse such benefits if they can.

    The Social Security trust fund in the biggest trouble is Social Security Disability which does seem to act like honey for the bees sometimes.

    Perhaps not well known, but some folks, often women are the primary caretakers of family – both kids and parents and for some with kids or parents with chronic conditions, it becomes a choice between work or full time care.

    The state recognizes this with Medicaid Waiver payments that pay for a family member to care for other family members. It saves the state money and this would also if it kept someone working instead of at home getting entitlements and paying zero taxes themselves.

    1. Derrick Max Avatar
      Derrick Max

      We have far greater female advancement than any OECD country, and comparing the US economy, which ranks fifth in productivity, to tiny countries like Luxembourg, Ireland, Norway and Belgium is just silly. Taxing work reduces hiring…basic economic fact. Forced redistribution harms market forces. Ill take the good ol USA over those other four countries any day.

      1. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        What do you mean by advancement? Employment? Number of CEOs? What men consistently get wrong is that women here have to work in most cases and don’t have the CHOICE not to. Our choices are, in fact, increasingly constrained by bad public policy toward women, children, and families. What really demonstrates advancement is individual self-determination and happiness. You wanna be a CEO, be one. You want to have and raise all the babies the nation needs, do it!! By that metric. The U.S is abysmal.

        On one hand, men want to force women and girls to get pregnant and stay pregnant AND force them to work at home and outside it as soon as is humanly possible THEN complain that children lack supervision and care. Make that make sense. Not to mention the OLD MEN who complain there aren’t enough staff in nursing homes or people willing to do caregiving work, like teach.

        You know how you get people to do that stuff? Ask them. They consistently say, PAY ME FOR MY LABORS (all of it, not just the part that puts money in someone else’s pocket but into my own) and leave me time for the things that matter most to me.

        Two articles came out this week that illustrate this vividly. So too do the recent stories about the booming numbers of abortions post-Dobbs.

        https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/01/world/europe/italy-babies-family-benefits.html?ugrp=u&unlocked_article_code=1.hE0.WU2A.wcZWRRd8NcuP&smid=url-share

        https://www.businessinsider.com/american-millennials-would-take-pay-cut-better-work-life-balance-2024-2?amp

        What animated older workers DOESN’T work anymore.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Those other countries have less inequality for women especially women of color, a higher quality of life, higher education, higher productivity, less infant deaths, and longer lifespans.

        The “good old USA” ain’t so good when looking at those other countries.

    2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      Those businesses that cannot rely on cheap, below-market price labor from illegal immigrants will move to cost-saving things such as robots and AI when possible. If an employee cannot produce more value than the employee is paid, including taxes and over government fees will not have that job long-term.

      My law school Torts professor, who later was appointed to the FCC to fill Democratic vacancy, regularly told us to remember that “Every tub must sit on its own bottom.” That concept was one of the most important things I learned. Everyone must produce enough to support him or herself.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        They’ll move to robots and AI anyhow and no matter what.

        That’s how competition works.

        Those businesses will still need labor for tasks that robots and AI cannot do.

        I’m all for any/all businesses reducing the cost of labor as well as taking advantage of teen and senior worker labor.

        If you’re gonna have robots and AI, you’re gonna need skilled workers to maintain them, right?

        1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
          f/k/a_tmtfairfax

          It’s all about the trigger. I read a recent article discussing the fact that there has been comparatively little use of robots in Big Agriculture due to the availability of low wages and illegal immigrant workers. If the feds imposed mandatory E-Verify or even did their own G-Verify, we see a fairly rapid increase in the use of robots.

          It costs money to use robots and even to use AI correctly. As the cost of employment of human workers increases, those triggers are reached sooner. Every tub must stand on its own bottom.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            The thing is TMT, that any/all businesses WILL adopt any/all efficiencies no matter what current labor costs are because it’s makes them more competitive.

            The “trigger” can be not only labor costs, but real estate tax increases, water/sewer increases, new regulations, electricity, etc…

            All of these things, not just labor, put pressure on businesses to take steps to compensate and keep their costs down and stay competitive.

            Most all of these “costs” apply across the board to most businesses so they each do what they can in response.

            If some new capability becomes available – like perhaps a kiosk for ordering, they’ll adopt it no matter what the other costs are – because they know their competitors will also and they need to maintain competitiveness.

          2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Point well taken on the broader nature of the trigger. Higher real estate taxes, higher gas prices, bad weather, etc., all create pressure to reduce other costs and increase productivity. But this includes higher labor costs. Imposing a payroll tax creates an incentive to reduce the payroll.

            Look at the Minneapolis City Council that increased the payout requirements for rideshare operators. Lyft and Uber announced they are pulling out of the entire Twin Cities Metro market. And look at the fast food layoffs in California. Virtue signaling often has bad consequences for third parties.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Lyft and Uber may pull out, competitors will replace them who WILL follow the rules!

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            TMT – have you seen the huge farm machinery these days that use GPS and some are now autonomous?
            My point is that the shift to automation will continue no matter the cost of labor but there are other new jobs for building the equipment and maintaining it. It’s all about increasing productivity – not trying to suppress wages.

  7. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Just like older people pay federal income tax on their Social Security benefits above a floor, so should everyone pay federal income tax on all other government financial benefits or financial benefits created by federal, state or local laws, again above a floor. People will react differently when there is no free lunch using other people’s money.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      They pretty much do. People that work in the “gig” economy pay FICA taxes also – called self-employment taxes. Low income people pay sales taxes, property taxes, gas taxes, real estate taxes, etc. EIC essentially pays low income workers to work , rather than not. You may be surprised to know that people who make 80-100K a year , their kids health insurance is often Medicaid.

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        Except for Social Security, government benefits are rarely taxed. Even the people who get their student loans forgiven by Biden’s programs don’t pay taxes on the income. Income from various welfare programs is tax free. Mayor Adams’ free debit cards for illegal immigrants are tax free.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          TMT. People who make more pay more for Medicare as well as ACA insurance.

          Medicaid itself is means-tested based on income.

          But again, no matter your income, you WILL pay sales taxes, gas taxes, property taxes, real estate taxes, etc… it’s NOT like they pay NO taxes at all!

          1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            So how much federal or state income taxes are the illegal immigrants paying on the freebees they are getting? If the ordinary American has to pay income tax on the money used to pay rent or a mortgage, shouldn’t the illegal immigrant pay income tax on the free housing he/she receives courtesy of American taxpayers?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            How would they earn money legally to do that? Shouldn’t the employers of illegal labor be arrested and convicted and if we actually do that – how many more potential employers would do that? Canada has an effective guest worker program with severe penalties on employers who don’t obey the laws for illegal labor. Don’t blame the illegals – blame the employers.

  8. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Derrick has done some good research on what other states are doing, the kind of information you would think some MSM outlet would explore and report. You would think wrong….

    Even as a state agency manager, in calculating a possible raise for an employee or group of employees, all the benefit costs had to be in the equation — and the state did then have a short term disability plan. The more money taken by benefit costs, the less available to raise the pay. The “employer share” still comes out of the employees’ pockets. This is what so many legislators do not understand. Businesses do not pay taxes, only people pay taxes (be they employees, customers or shareholders).

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Could small business owners avert this by having a stable full of part time employees?

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      If most all businesses are affected and have to comply – the issue would be how they would comply and who did a better job of competing , no?

      You could essentially make this same argument for things like FICA taxes and such, no?

      If FICA taxes go up and virtually all businesses affected…. then talking about what each business has to do to comply – is more about how those businesses operate more efficiently, and compete better – all things equal.

      1. Randy Huffman Avatar
        Randy Huffman

        Where is the point when businesses cut back operations, shut down, move production overseas, automate? There is always a tipping point, where businesses walk.

  9. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    “Interestingly, teachers, state employees, and constitutional officers are not covered under this program — presumably, these employees already have paid leave benefits and the General Assembly did not want to tax their allies.”

    But if you work in private enterprise with paid leave benefits, you and your employer will be taxed despite the fact that you do not need this state-run benefit?

    1. Brings to mind the cynical political saying “Don’t tax you, don’t tax me, tax the other guy behind the tree.”

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      There was an exemption in the bill I read last month and I assume it is still there. To be exempt, though, the benefit provided must be at least as good as the state mandated benefit, and you will have to prove it. Most plans I remember were just for illness, short term disability, tighter than the broad FMLA time off requirement.

  10. Not Today Avatar
    Not Today

    VA Bill attempts to give the state’s working residents some fraction of what workers in 37 of 38 other OECD nations receive. Cue the four horsemen or chicken little…or both.

    – Women will be discriminated against! They already are simply because they can get pregnant. No, we can’t actually train people not to discriminate (‘cause DIE!!)
    – Small businesses will be hurt (‘cause we can’t exempt micro businesses…too hard!)
    – We can’t, as a society, encourage men to care for their sick/infirm family members in equal measure. Nope, too…what…EQUAL?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Yes, indeed, classic European style socialism-lite, cradle to grave. With their tax rates and slower economic growth as part of the cost. ‘Tis the trade off. Until you run out of other people’s money. 🙂

      1. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        With all their happiness, fewer gun deaths, less ‘despair’… mass transit, who in their right mind would appreciate that?! Those commie Europeans are just so…broke?

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          I know the difference between commies and socialists. 🙂 Virginia is not the only state seeking to emulate the European model. But Americans are voting with their feet to leave those states. Hey, I think this illustration of the true cost has been very useful education. And if Spanberger promises this, honestly admits the cost, and wins, it’ll happen in two years.

          1. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            You’d be one of a handful here. The terms are used interchangeably. People are voting to live where their money will go the furthest and no state in the country offers the quality of life in most of Europe. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/us-no-longer-one-20-happiest-countries-re-young-probably-know-rcna144199#

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Time for another dose of fact checking.

          8 of the top 10 happiest countries in the world are in Europe according to this …

          https://www.visualcapitalist.com/a-map-of-global-happiness-by-country-in-2024/

          However, there are 41 countries in Europe.

          With a happiness score of 6.7, the US would rank #14 on the European happiness list of 41 countries.

          The US would be tied with the UK and Germany but ahead of France and Spain, for example.

          A further look at the 8 European countries in the top 10 for happiness reveals that those 8 countries have a combined population of 55M.

          That’s an average of 6.875M per country.

          On average, these socialist wonders are smaller (as a country) than Virginia.

          Those 8 countries are also quite homogeneous from an ethnic, linguistic, and religious perspective.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_ranked_by_ethnic_and_cultural_diversity_level

          But are those countries socialist?

          Let’s take Denmark.

          Former Danish prime minister Anders Fogh Rasmussen put it succinctly during a U.S. visit: “I know that some people in the U.S. associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism. Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear: Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy.” According to the Heritage Foundation’s 2021 Index of Economic Freedom, Denmark is the tenth freest country in the world, economically; the United States lags behind at No. 25.

          Now, the final point – the rich pay all the taxes in these happy European countries.

          Not so.

          Denmark maintains a broad-based welfare system financed by heavy taxes on all citizens, including the middle class, which bears a far greater burden than its counterpart in the United States. According to the Center for Political Studies, low-income Danes pay an effective marginal tax rate of 56 percent, the middle class, 57 percent. In addition, there is a value-added tax (VAT) of 25 percent on the sale of every item, plus additional taxes on coffee, beer, and chocolate.

          Danes accept the universal high taxes as the price of the country’s universal welfare. Bernie Sanders prefers to skip over the fact that the top 10 percent of wealthy Danes pay “only” 26 percent of all income taxes. In contrast, the top 10 percent of wealthy Americans pay 45 percent of all income taxes, according to the Tax Foundation. Senator Sanders has said that “billionaires should not exist,” but Sweden has 30, Denmark ten. And Scandinavian billionaires can pass along their wealth—there is no inheritance tax in Sweden or Norway. Denmark imposes an inheritance tax of 15 percent.

          As an aside, there are 756 billionaires in the US. That’s one billionaire per 436,508 people. At 30 billionaires across 11 million people, there is pone billionaire per 366,667 Swedes.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            you have significant inequality in the US as compared to other European countries.

            We got a bunch of billionaires and we got a bunch of folks living in poverty also.

          2. Not Today Avatar
            Not Today

            Who are you fact checking? I’m not the one who called it a socialist country to begin with. That’s a conservative pejorative, not real in most cases. I’m not a Bernie fan, BTW. Also significant, IMO, is the markedly different level of satisfaction/happiness between Boomers and Millennials (now 30-40 yrs old) and GenZ. Boomers are increasingly demanding births and work (paid and unpaid) from people who refuse to provide it without a fight at the rates and terms Boomers demand. That won’t end well for Boomers.

    2. Derrick Max Avatar
      Derrick Max

      What is interesting is that the USA has much more success in women advancement in business than every other OECD country. We have more women CEOs as a percentage of CEOs and we have more female managers than any other OECD country. Europe may not be your best counterfactual here…

      1. Not Today Avatar
        Not Today

        Your definition of ‘success’ doesn’t match that of the workers you need to convince.

        https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/04/01/millennials-capitalism-security-retirement/

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Well, who ya gonna sell to when it’s just the C-officers and the machines?

    1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      Darn good question.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      People who are educated and have skills that are not computerized or AI…. and of course those who perform labor that machines cannot 100% replace.

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