Probing UVa’s Gender Gap: Is It an Admissions Problem?

First-time, first-year applicants, offers and yields by gender, 2016-2021. Click for more legible image.

by James A. Bacon

As highlighted in our last post, the University of Virginia admits significantly more women than men. The split in the undergraduate student body is roughly 54/46. My aim in pointing out the disparity was not, as some readers presumed, to argue for special preferences for men; admission to UVa should be based on merit. I was exploring the question of whether the goal of achieving “equity” (whether defined as equal “outcomes” or equal “opportunity”) applies to all under-represented groups, including men, or just to so-called “marginalized” groups favored by progressive ideology.

Having documented that males are comparable to females in academic aptitude, at least among those who take the SATs, I suggested that some other factor might account for the disparity in their numbers at UVa. One possibility is that more women than men apply to UVa. All other things being equal, one would expect more women to be admitted if more women applied. Another possibility, which I raised in a previous post, is that UVa is suffused with subtle but systemic anti-male bias.

In this post, we’ll examine the role of the admissions process. I will delve into the issue of campus culture in a future post.

UVa publishes admissions statistics on its Institutional Research and Analysis website. The data seem clear: there is little discernible difference in the rate at which men and women were accepted (24% vs. 23%) between 2016 and 2021, and little discernible difference in the rate at which those who are accepted subsequently enrolled, a statistic referred to as “yield” (40% vs. 39%). If there was a bias in admissions, it does not appear to have been in the process for selecting applicants.

The statistic to focus on is the number of completed applications. Why do more women apply to UVa than men? Does the UVa admissions office sell itself more aggressively to women than men? Does UVa’s campus culture appeal more to women than to men? Do men feel less of a sense of “belonging” than women?

The unsatisfying answer is this: based on data made available to the public, we don’t know.

One issue I want to put to rest is the argument that female predominance in enrollment at UVa reflects the fact that women outnumber men in higher education generally. The national ratio is commonly said to be 60% to 40%. By that measure, the gender imbalance is less at UVa than it is nationally, so what’s the fuss? There is nothing unique about UVa, the argument goes. The gender imbalance stems from broad social trends beyond the control of any single institution.

But there’s a problem with this interpretation. UVa is not remotely representative of the entire college/community college population.

The Atlantic lays out a plausible explanation for the steadily widening gap between college enrollment among men and women at the national scale.

The sociologist Kathryn Edin has written that men without college degrees in deindustrialized America have been adrift for decades. They face the simultaneous shocks of lost jobs, disintegrating nuclear families, and rising deaths of despair in their communities. As 20th-century institutions have crumbled around them, these men have withdrawn from organized religion. Their marriage rates have fallen in lockstep with their church attendance. Far from the ordered progression of the mid-century American archetype—marriage, career, house and yard—men without college degrees are more likely to live what Edin and other researchers call “haphazard” lives, detached from family, faith, and work.

That explanation is entirely consistent with what I have observed of American society, and it might well explain why relative male college attendance is declining overall. But UVa does not draw extensively from the lumpenproletariat where social dysfunction is acute. It draws overwhelmingly from the upper-middle and professional classes that have largely kept families intact, that offer boys stable role models, that prosper in the knowledge economy, where males mostly stay out of jail, and among whom deaths of despair are a relative rarity.

As argued in the previous post on this topic, high-achieving high-school students are as likely to be male as female. High-achieving students of both genders are disproportionately likely to come from high-functioning social classes. UVa pulls from that pool of applicants.

The social breakdown alluded to by The Atlantic poses the greatest threat to colleges and universities that cater to students lower on the ladder of academic achievement, especially institutions that are geared to so-called “first time” students (meaning they are the first in their families to attend college). Those students are far more likely to come from dysfunctional families. And the colleges that admit them in large numbers are more likely to have lopsided female-to-male ratios.

Thus, at an institution such as Virginia Commonwealth University, which touts itself as a school for first-generation students, the female-to-male ratio is 64% to 36%. Similarly, the ratio at Norfolk State University, which caters to first-generation African-American students, is 67% to 33%.

There must be a different reason for the gender imbalance at UVa. In the next post, we’ll look at the evidence of anti-male bias.


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60 responses to “Probing UVa’s Gender Gap: Is It an Admissions Problem?”

  1. UVAPast Avatar

    Check VA Tech. I think the school has reverse ratios from UVA.

    1. Of course it does….. Polytechnic is in the school’s name

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        Tech attracts farmers too.

    2. Teddy007 Avatar
      Teddy007

      VT is 57% male due to having a college of Agriculture and a much bigger college of engineering than UVA. VT also does not have a college of nursing or a college of social work.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        And that 57% is a problem, especially for enrollment in the engineering school. It’s a problem (generally stated) that gets endless attention. Why aren’t there more women in tech? Why don’t more women get STEM degrees? Those questions are constantly being asked. And there are lots of groups dedicated to evening the playing field for tech – Girls Who Code – for example.

        Once again, “equity” requires that women underrepresented in engineering be aggressively addressed while underrepresentation of men in college overall is irrelevant.

        1. Teddy007 Avatar
          Teddy007

          This issue has been addressed by Richard Reeves in his book “Of Boys and Men.” It has also been mocked by Senator Josh Hawley who has mocked men who want to pursue careers in health or education. It has also been noted that there are fewer men, as a percentage, in K-12 education than in 1980. The percentage of men in nursing has not gone up while women dominate pharmacy, physical therapy, PA school, occupational therapy, speech pathology, and other professional occupaiton. Even Vet school is 55% female.

  2. I’d like to see some analysis of DIE at Virginia’s HBCUs

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      DIE was not mentioned at the two, Va State and VUU, whose web sites I looked at recently. Arguably for cause.

    2. Teddy007 Avatar
      Teddy007

      If one bothered to use Google, one would quickly find (less than a minute) that Norfolk State is 68% female, Virginia State is 60% female, and Hampton (though private) is 66% female. For comparison, Old Dominion is only 56% female while being 32% black. That means Old Dominion is doing better than UVA.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Heavy interrelationship with the local military explains much of that. Also being an urban campus. My son’s MS in engineering was earned there.

  3. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    “UVa is not remotely representative of the entire college/community college population.” Yes. You are. The self-delusions of grandeur are basically for your own amusement. The rest of us ain’t buying it. There is no reason UVA should be that different than most other schools, and the overall trend reflects (in part at least) that young men have far more opportunities for well-paying jobs without college. Manufacturing. The military. More and more women are following that path too, but hiring at a place like the shipyard is overwhelmingly male and starts at a very decent wage with plenty of room for growth without college. The other social trend, unfortunate, is more young men in trouble academically or with the law, and thus out of the college pool.

    And I wasn’t kidding when I said women might be the smarter bunch. Sorry to be a traitor….

    You just showed statistics that indicate to me UVA is attracting more men than many other schools, and thus if gender parity is a goal, is doing a pretty good job. I don’t get what you think all this proves.

    1. M. Purdy Avatar
      M. Purdy

      “I don’t get what you think all this proves.” Nothing at all. I think it’s supposed to be provocative, but it’s insipid.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        It doesn’t rise to quite so high of a level.

      2. Of course you don’t get it. Your ideological blinders prevent you from seeing any inconsistency with demanding “equity” for one under-represented group (males) while demanding it for others (racial/ethnic groups).

        1. M. Purdy Avatar
          M. Purdy

          As is typical, you have to adopt the most absurd definition of equity in order to make your argument work, i.e. equity means anything that’s not proportionally represented relative to society needs to be normed, and it operates in a vacuum free of all other context. Equity, with its roots in affirmative action, is typically tied to groups that have traditionally been marginalized. (I know you don’t believe that groups continue to be marginalized, but let’s for argument’s sake assume that prejudice persists.) You cannot and have not made your case on that front that “males” generically have been discriminated against. On the contrary, “males” (stripped of all other characteristics) have been a privileged class since the founding of the country. And even if you were to apply your “logic” that everything must be normed to societal representation, in UVa’s case, it neither discriminates against males in admissions (look at the numbers), nor is it out of step with national statistics. In fact, it’s better than the national average in terms of gender balance among college students. So, please, admit your attempt at provocation has failed. Now, why is there a gender imbalance in those seeking a college education? That’s a worthwhile question, and I suspect it has something to do with the fact that women make around 80 cents on the dollar vs. men, which incentives men to get a job. Spend your time on opposing book bans and anti-drag laws in the name of “free speech” rather than specious arguments like his one. Did you like how the TN law got shot down by the way? Guess BR missed that one…

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            “Now, why is there a gender imbalance in those seeking a college education? That’s a worthwhile question, and I suspect it has something to do with the fact that women make around 80 cents on the dollar vs. men, which incentives men to get a job.”

            Not relevant to applicants to the top 10% of colleges and universities.

          2. M. Purdy Avatar
            M. Purdy

            You have anything to back this up?

        2. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          There it is. Still invalid, but clear. You ARE opposing equity! I guess I’m blind, too, because I do worry about the racial disparity more than the gender disparity. The DEI bureaucracy fixes neither.

    2. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      Is that like saying that Virginia was better than Alabama at desegregating so we should be happy with Virginia “doing a pretty good job”?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Well, yes. Exactly like that, but not. Men, of course, have not play the part of 2nd class citizens in comparison to women. Ever.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          They are playing that part today based on college admissions.

          Facts are stubborn things.

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      You are being waaaay too kind. Someone needs a status check.

    4. Teddy007 Avatar
      Teddy007

      I doubt someone with a felony conviction is being hired at a shipyard that only does defense work. It is the same with jobs in law enforcement, fire departments, etc.

    5. Yet at the end of the day there is a “disparity” in the admission of males and females, and UVa doesn’t talk about it… in contrast to the incessant talk about the need to achieve “equity” in racial/ethnic enrollment. The same contradiction exists at William & Mary, by the way. Similar enrollment ratio and similar double standards regarding equity.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        How long at 60% must UVa graduate women to make up for 160 years of graduating only men?

        My estimate is another 30 years should just about do it? Equality achieved, oh, 2050, or so.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          So 17 year old male high school students should be penalized for the injustices caused by a society run by their great-great-grandfathers?

          Disgraceful thinking.

          1. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            The male student can always enroll at VT or elsewhere and still get the same degree in business, engineering, or technology. Males major in so few majors does it really matter where they go unless they want to join a specific fraternity.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Well, I guess reparations is out of the question.

    6. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      You logic is questionable, at best.

      The core of your argument seems to be that there are no statistically relevant differences in the hopes and aspirations of high school students applying to colleges in the top 10% (by national rank) and the bottom 10% (by national rank). You believe that in both cases the applicants have an equal chance of substituting military enlistment or a manufacturing job for admission to the colleges on their list.

      High school counselors honestly advise students of their options. Students who are advised and believe they are potentially qualified for admission to a top 10% college have admission to next lower tier of colleges as their option. It would be very rare for a high school student to think, “I’ll apply to Stanford but if I don’t get in I’ll get a job at the local sprocket factory.”

      In other words, the alternative of military enlistment or a manufacturing job is statistically more likely to be true for high school students applying to the bottom 10% of colleges than those applying to the top 10%.

      Your contention to the contrary is illogical.

      As for your statement, “And I wasn’t kidding when I said women might be the smarter bunch. Sorry to be a traitor….” …

      That doesn’t make you a traitor. It makes you ill-informed and wrong.

      Countless studies have concluded that there is no statistically relevant difference in intelligence between men and women. The fact that you won’t or can’t understand this might explain why your wife is smarter than you but does not extrapolate to society as a whole.

      Regarding your ongoing distaste of UVa …. I remember attend UVa and listening to a large number of students complain about Duke. I thought that was strange. Eventually I realized that UVa students disliked Duke because Duke was a better school than UVa. The vitriol was no more than jealousy. I suspect the same cause is true for your disdain of UVa.

  4. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    With the offer rate being slightly lower for males than females there is clearly no attempt to achieve “equity”, however defined. Your indication that males may have less sense of “belonging” also indicates there is no attempt at “inclusion”. The unequal enrollment shows that “diversity” is not a goal at UVa. Three strikes and you’re out for UVa’s DIE, no balls.

    The high profile DIE bureaucracy at UVa is apparently just for show, or profoundly inept, or both. How many millions are being spent at UVa each year on DIE and the President’s compensation?

    Although my suggestion that ridicule and laughing at them is appropriate has not gained much traction, it is clear that embracing the earnestness with which UVa touts DIE is foolhardy.

    What are the remedies for this failure of administration?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      “The high profile DEI bureaucracy at UVa is apparently just for show, or profoundly inept, or both.” Now, that I agree with. Very expensive virtue signaling/marketing.

      1. Teddy007 Avatar
        Teddy007

        If one is competing for the top talented blacks, then one is competing is a very competitive market. All highly selective universities are working to find talented blacks. If one does not have a program to directly recruit blacks, then one will be at a huge disadvantage. Also, virtually every university in the U.S. had a lower graduation rate for blacks versus whites or Asians. Thus, most universities have a program, at least on paper, to try to retain more black students and get them to graduate.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          So, one goal of DEI is the recruitment of Black professors. Seems like a relatively minor goal in the grans scheme of things but at least it is a measurable goal.

          Where can I find the specific numbers of Black professors the DEI operation is committing to hore and retain over the next 5 – 10 years?

          1. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            probably not a public number but recruit of professors, researchers who have grants, graduate students, or undergraduates who are black is a competitive market at the top tier. The federal funders of research, medical schools, graduate schools want to make sure that some of the students are black/Hispanic/Native American. That is part of the “DEI” administration is trying.

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            But it’s not a measurable goal. Heavens to murgatroyd you wouldn’t want to put an a measurable quantity to a goal. Why that would let people measure actual performance against quantifiable goals. Wouldn’t want to do that, nosiree JimBob.

            It’s far far better to make a lot of noise about DIE, flout your wokeness, virtue signal and p^ss away millions of dollars.

            The fact is that UVa’s black male professors and students show far worse discrimination than the overall ratio of all females to males. Worse yet the numbers are headed in the wrong direction over decades. But ssssssshhhhh don’t say anything about that.

            Laugh at them for their high profile foolishness. Actual DIE, not on Ryan’s watch. He he.

      2. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        Here is a Politico article about how diversity, and DIE has diverted affirmative action from redress for past racial discrimination to protection of white folks:

        https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/16/supreme-court-affirmative-action-college-00101963

        All the way through I kept thinking this sounds like what UVa is doing. Ineptness and pretense may be inadequate descriptors. DIE may have more sinister roots. Them sneaky old honkys trading in their sheets for BLM T shirts and using Kendi as a front man. “The remedy for past discrimination is present discrimination”. Rbt Shelton couldn’t have said it any plainer.

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      When the DIE (or DEI) organization at UVa defines how it will quantitatively measure it success in diversity, equity and inclusion, I will listen. When that organization publishes its goals for the next 10 years in meeting those measures I’ll be fascinated.

      Until then, it’s a frivolous waste of money that increases the already too-high tuitions.

  5. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    A crucial criterion is to determine just how long ago UVA commenced male replacement. It’s only just over 100 years ago women were franchised to vote.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Sometime in the 1970s they let the first one in. Does two things. Shows just how insidious women can be, 0 to 60% in 50 years. And, it explains a lot about UVa men. Wink, wink.

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8WUCM4Au174&t=8s

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “But UVa does not draw extensively from the lumpenproletariat where social dysfunction is acute.”

    Wow! First time I have actually seen snobbery proposed for protected class status.

    Oh wait. Was that satire?
    Click “Buy”
    https://www.amazon.com/Book-Snobs-snobbery-differences-mid-19th/dp/B0991GDVZX

    FWIW, UVa is a 1st tier State school. That makes it one of some 250 in the nation. Hardly the paragon of American education. The top 10 UVa graduates rank in around the middle of an MIT class. Probably don’t even come close to a Harvey Mudd anchorman.

    Oh, you really have to study the lifestyle differences between the top 1%, 0.1%, and 0.01%. No one has ever gone to prison trying to buy Junior into UVa. Stanford, yes. USC, yes. Georgetown, yes. UVa, alas, no.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      My son went to UVA and I love my son, but his experience confirmed my lifelong observation that their main educational product was arrogance.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Is it just my imagination that the bulk of the BR anti-DE&I contingency is drawn almost exclusively from VMI and UVa alumni who attended when their respective schools were 100% male, and 95% white?

        Seclusion is the mother of arrogance.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          On the day I arrived at UVa the entering class was 51% women and 49% men.

          That day was Aug 16, 1977, 46 years ago. I remember it well, it was the day Elvis died.

          1. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            Does one have a cite. All I could find was the first coed classea at UVA were less than 40% female. 1979 was the first year that had more females than males in 4 year undergraduate schools. However, everyone would remember the old teachers colleges.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            A cite? It’s pretty easy to verify that Elvis died on August 16, 1977.

            Oh, wait, maybe that’s not what you meant…

          3. Teddy007 Avatar
            Teddy007

            I will take the use of snark as a “no , i do not have a cite.”

          4. WayneS Avatar

            It’s not my cite.

            And by the way, my comment was not snark, that was just a regular joke.

            The “tell” at the end removes it from the domain of snark.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Of course, and a UVa man would see causality.

        2. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          Dunno about the rest, but I was RPI/VCU. It had many female and black students. I dislike DIE on the merits. It is an outgrowth of despicable Dem identity politics.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I’m sure if it wasn’t there going in, they made sure it’s there coming out. It is called Bacon’s Rebellion. But, given observations, I suspect it was there going in.

    2. Teddy007 Avatar
      Teddy007

      Wake Forest was part of the Varsity Blues Scandal. And the Scandal was not about buying one”s child into Yale or Stanford or USC but in using the athlete’s advantage to get one’s child in.

  7. Teddy007 Avatar
    Teddy007

    As a comparison, The state of Texas has a top 10% rule that means that every state university has to admit anyone who was in the top 10% of their high school class. This forces every high school including private schools to rank their students. In such a world, girls are at a huge advantage. And with the top 10% rule, SAT and ACT scores are irrelevant for admission but do effect admissions to specific programs/majors/colleges.

    1. Teddy, I think you might have hit on something here. UVa publicly says that it no longer requires applicants to submit SAT scores. We have uncovered documents suggesting that SATs are not considered at all (although I’ll need to confirm that I correctly understand what the documents seem to say). Grades are the primary metric into the application process.

      As you observe — building upon comments in the previous post — boys are slower to mature than girls, and girls generally get better grades, girls would be at a tremendous advantage in the application process.

      On the other hand, UVa admissions data are pretty clear that male and female applicants are admitted at the same rate.

      1. Teddy007 Avatar
        Teddy007

        As several writers have pointed out, when Title IX was passed, everyone thought that females would eventually perform at the same level as males. What no one planned on and what no one involved in education still wants to plan for is that teenage girls flew past the boys and now dominate education. Also, what no one has anticipated is that after Title IX women moved into many of the career fields previously dominated by men while men have not moved in or actually moved out of career fields dominated by women.

      2. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        “On the other hand, UVa admissions data are pretty clear that male and female applicants are admitted at the same rate.”

        Given that, it seems like UVa is “off the hook” for any charges of sexism.

        Or, maybe “off the hook” for intentional sexism.

        My youngest son is looking at colleges right now (between his junior and senior years of high school). Like the rest of the kids in his high school, he spends a lot of time with his college counselor. Safety schools, target schools, stretch schools, etc. There is a ton of data to look at and various rules that vary from college to college – are SAT / ACT required? optional? never considered?

        The general belief seems to be that GPA is, by far, the most important statistic.

        If boys have generally lower GPAs than girls I would not be surprised to find that most college counselors advise more girls to apply to highly competitive schools like UVa than boys.

        The boys apply to less competitive schools.

        If you “follow the dots” where the percentage of girls applying to to top 10% schools is greater than boys but the percentage of boys applying to the bottom 10% of colleges is higher than girls, you might have solved the riddle.

        At some point in the continuum of college quality it is very reasonable to ask if it’s worth going to college at all. If more boys than girls face that question then you would expect more boys not to bother with college than girls.

        If true, this all comes back to the use of class rank (based on GPA) as the primary admission criterion.

        On average, boys score higher on standardized tests (although its close). If those scores were used as the primary admission criterion, the counselors would have more top schools on the boys’ target list and an equal number of boys and girls would reach that point in the quality continuum where attending college at all is questionable.

        So, why class rank instead of standardized test scores? M. Purdy hit it on the head. Class rank allows less well prepared students from weak schools to gain acceptance over better prepared students from strong schools.

        The boys are just collateral damage.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar
          Lefty665

          “The boys are just collateral damage.”
          Chilling, and to JABs other point, Ryan and UVa’s DIE bureaucracy are absolutely unconcerned about it.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Of course, then you have the problem of underachieving, 2nd decile kids, shopping for underachieving schools in which to shine.

      1. Teddy007 Avatar
        Teddy007

        You might want to expand of what your wrote. The biggest problem is that kids who would have been in the top 10% at many schools are not in the top 10% at the most competitive suburban upper middle class high schools. In Texas, there is also less advantage in parents paying for expensive private schools because one still faces needing to be in the top 10% against tougher competition. This has caused more students to go out of state for college. Another issue is whether a top 10% from a weak high school is better off at UT-Austin majoring in communications or sociology or going to Texas Tech or Houston to major in Business or Engineering.

    3. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      You’ve got it. The rule in Texas was designed to allow less well prepared students from poorly run public schools to have a chance at admission to the state’s public colleges and universities.

      I’ve been told that the same practice is in place in Virginia, which is why UVa is loathe to report average SAT scores for admitted students by locality.

      1. Teddy007 Avatar
        Teddy007

        It is just not UT-Austin but all state universities. The top 10% rule was an answer to losing the Hopwood lawsuit over affirmative action. It is a way for all universities to achieve diversity without the direct use of racial categories. However, UT-Austin uses was many call firewalls to limit what a student can major in. The law is that the University has to admit the top 10% applicant. The law does not require UT-Austin (or any other university) from allow the admitted student from majoring in engineering, business, or the hard sciences. It is similar that universities limit who can major in performance arts or visual arts to those who have a portfolio of work in the field. One of the reasons that UT-Austin limits admission under the top 10% rule to 75% of the freshman class is so that some of its departments and programs like visual arts or liberal arts can survive.
        It would be the same at UVA where one has to apply to the school of nursing separate from applying to the university.

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