Private Schools No Haven from the Thought Police

If you thought sending your child to private school offered any protection against the spreading and increasingly totalitarian virus of Critical Race Theory, consider a recent incident at Cape Henry Collegiate School in Virginia Beach. I publish here an open letter, written by attorney Timothy Anderson, on behalf of student Connor Amet, to school officials. The letter should be read with caution: It represents Connor’s view, not those of school officials. But if the incidents described are remotely representative of actual events, they should terrify every Virginian who values independent thinking and free expression. — JAB

Christopher Garran, headmaster of Cape Henry Collegiate School

On October 7, 2020, Connor Amet (“Connor”) was a student at Cape Henry Collegiate School (“Cape Henry”) and was in Mr. [William] Fluharty’s club for global scholars. On that day, Mr. Fluharty commenced a discussion on immigration to the group via Zoom. During that conversation, when there was a discussion about President Trump on immigration and whether immigration is bad/good, Connor weighed in that immigration could have detrimental effects on society. Connor’s opinion was based on his understanding of conflicts that have historically risen in societies that have multicultural immigration policies.

William Fluharty

Following this, Mr. Fluharty immediately categorized Connor’s statements that Connor would prefer to have the United States as a sole, Anglo-Saxon society, for which Connor reminded Mr. Fluharty the discussion was about the past and the United States would have better having not brought slaves to the Country. Connor was not saying America would be better off it only white people live here, but in the context of the slave trade era, those circumstances resulted in the Country having more internal conflict. Connor gave examples of historical societies that have had more conflict with multicultural immigration policies versus societies that have homogenous cultural groups. Following that exchange, Mr. Fluharty asked the rest of the group what they thought. Some exchange occurred between other students. Connor stated multiple times during this dialogue that this is an analysis of societies across the planet, not particularly black/white or American. Class then ended.

Connor then went to Health. In that class, a senior student [redacted] who was in the above exchange, confronted Connor about the exchange and accused Connor for wanting just a white society, which Connor again denied.

Paul Horgan

On October 8, 2020, Connor returned to school. Unbeknownst to Connor, a wave of social medial backlash had circulated throughout the prior evening through gossip and innuendo of other students. Following his first period in French, Connor was summoned to [upper school director Paul] Horgan’s office. Mr. Horgan, alone in the room with Connor, interrogated Connor regarding the exchange the day before with Mr. Fluharty. This exchange lasted more than 10 minutes. Around the 10-minute mark, [director of student life Greg] Angilly entered the room and gave a lecture about diversity and racism. Mr. Horgan told Connor he had been “fed by white supremacists online and was being used as a puppet to intellectualize their arguments.”

Greg Angilly

This meeting, which lasted approximately 45 minutes, consisted of superior/student chastising of baseless racist allegations, all outside the presence of Connor’s parents. At the conclusion of the meeting, Mr. Angilly asked Connor, an emotional 16 year old boy who is being told by his superiors he is a racist white supremacist, what his consequence should be, even though Connor reiterated numerous times he was neither racist nor a white supremist. Connor suggested being “kicked out of global scholars” or attending a lecture on diversity. Mr. Angilly then stated, “It was not the black population’s job to education white people about diversity.” Mr. Angilly then left.

Mr. Horgan then, again alone with Connor, continued to berate Connor for 15-20 minutes on how his ideas were white supremist. That followed with Mr. Horgan escorting Connor to Headmaster [Christopher] Garran’s office.

In the Headmaster’s office, the Headmaster on multiple occasions told Connor, “if he did not believe diversity is welcomed in the school, then Cape Henry is not the place for him.” Connor responded that he did not take an anti-diversity position. Connor reiterated that this was a conversation about historical societies and his understanding of conflict that existed in homogenous cultural societies versus multicultural societies.

The Headmaster then asked Connor how many black friends he has. Connor responded that since Cape Henry is mostly a white school (88% white) he has attended since he was 4 years old, he has none. The Headmaster then asked what Connor’s opinion on homosexuality is and if Connor has ever made any public comments about gay people, for which Connor replied homosexuality violated his core religious beliefs, but the gestapo should not arrest someone based on their personal sexuality.

For another hour, the Headmaster told Connor if he was not actively anti-racist, then he was racist. The Headmaster continued to ask Connor if he was a racist or an anti-racist, for which Connor responded he was anti-racist. Connor was then advised he was suspended for October 8 and 9 for his comments in Mr. Fluharty’s class and for a restorative process which is described in the next paragraph.

Following the Headmaster exchange, Connor was then directed to go to Mr. Fluharty’s office. Another hour exchange occurred, during which Mr. Fluharty said they were going to pull a special Zoom session the next day, October 9, 2020, with global scholar kids so Connor could apologize to the group. Mr. Fluharty told Connor he must apologize and restated the position of Mr. Horgan that Connor had become indoctrinated by internet based white supremacist ideas. Mr. Fluharty then stated to Connor, “You have become more radically right-winged in the past two years.” Connor was again questioned by Mr. Fluharty about how he felt “being around dark skin people” for his school-sponsored upcoming trip to Greece. Following these reprimands, Mr. Fluharty then directed Connor he must tell the group diversity is good and Connor had to announce to the group he is not a white supremist.

On October 9, 2020, while on suspension at home, Connor addressed the group via Zoom. Connor was then allowed to return to school on October 12, 2020.

Intentional Infliction of Emotional Distress and Defamation

This is probably the most egregious misuse of supervisory power of administrators of an educational institution by a Gang of Four I have ever reviewed in my career. The factual exchange shocks my personal [conscience] that adult administrators and educators would put a 16-year-old student through such an interrogative process, void of any adult intervention or advocacy, and then suspend the student without even speaking to the parent, has created substantial harm to my client’s reputation amongst the student body.

Connor is 16 years old and has a world view that has been heavily influenced by Cape Henry since he first enrolled at this school at the age of four years old and has continually attended each academic year since. Cape Henry, according to USASCHOOLINFO.COM, has an 88% white population of 835 students, a 4.8% black population, 3% Asian, and a whopping .8% Hispanic and .2% Indian population. In a desperate attempt to show how “diverse” the school is, the Gang of Four jumped at the opportunity to make an example of a 16-year-old white student by taking his words out of context and then publicly humiliating him amongst the student body by labeling him a racist.

A 16-year-old who opines that societies that are homogenous in their culture and political beliefs will have less internal conflict is not a racist statement warranting suspension. Your attempts to declare your mostly white school as diverse by ostracizing a young man and ruining his reputation to show how “diverse” your school is should sicken anyone reading this letter. Connor is not a racist. The Gang of Four abused their offices and positions and created harm to my client, for which is permanent and likely irreparable for at least the remainder of his career at the school. Further, Cape Henry has breached its contract with my client to provide a safe learning environment.

My client has been emotionally traumatized by the incidents of the Gang of Four. You each, in your own individual remarks, comments, and actions, have intentionally inflicted emotional distress to my client. The action of the school to suspend Connor from the public body for events that neither violated any code of conduct or the role of the school is actionable under the law.

According to the stated philosophy of the school and its mission statement, the school seeks to create independent thinkers and globally aware citizens. How can a child possibly form a worldview consistent with this philosophy if suspension awaits the student for making reasonable comments and engagement? The actions of the Gang of Four and the school administration have taken against Connor completely stifle freethinking and free expression in a safe environment. Connor did not cross a line. The four of you did.

My client demands that on or before October 15, 2020 at 5pm, the school make the following statement to the student body universe:

  1. After a thorough and complete investigation, our findings are that Connor Amet has not violated any policy of this school, and accordingly, his suspension has been reversed and will not appear on his permanent academic record.
  2. Take further actions to ensure the school does not deem Connor a racist or a white supremacist.
  3. Connor will be regarded, graded, and treated fairly by all faculty and staff while in class and on CHC sponsored activities.

If the school agrees to this, my client will take no further legal action. However, if the school does not, then Cape Henry Collegiate should expect appropriate litigation to commence; for which the Gang of Four will be named personally for their intentional actions in this matter that have caused extreme distress to my client. This is a simple decision. Include Connor back into the campus without the cloud of racist/white supremacist holding over his head, or alternatively the school will face civil liability for taking a 16-year-old child’s words out of context to set an absurd example of proving how “culturally diverse” the campus is consisting of 88% white students.

Demand to preserve evidence is hereby made. This includes all written documents and recordings of Zoom meetings related and referenced in this matter.

Update: The issue has been settled. Cape Henry and the Amet family issued the following statement:

Cape Henry Collegiate and the Amet Family have met regarding a recent issue that resulted from a classroom discussion. It became the subject of a letter from the Amets’ attorney that subsequently appeared on the Bacon’s Rebellion blog. Without commenting on the letter’s content or the incident that precipitated it, the School and the Amet Family are both satisfied after our meeting. Cape Henry seeks to foster an inclusive environment on our Virginia  Beach campus where we focus on individual students and their success, both in the classroom and in life.

The CHC Patriots website invites readers to “support the effort to un-cancel Connor.” All funds go directly to the Amet family for legal expenses. Use this link: https://chcpatriots.org/join to locate the donation button or Click Here.


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150 responses to “Private Schools No Haven from the Thought Police”

  1. You can’t fight the WOKE society. Just nod your head in agreement and act on your personal beliefs. This will all reverse over time.

    1. I would like to think that the woke revolution will reverse itself in time. But it won’t do so by itself. Unless the population rises up to resist, totalitarian wokeness will become the new normal.

      1. John Harvie Avatar
        John Harvie

        I’m afraid it already is, making reversal impossible. Conservative/Libertarian majority is probably gone for ever.

        We are just going to have to learn to live with it … we have lost the war and all we can do going forward is some rear guard skirmishes.

        Convince me I’m wrong if you can.

      2. Strict indoctrination doesn’t produce critical thinkers. That’s one reason why China has been sending its students to U.S. Universities.

        If we lose our ability to present our thoughts and challenge ideas, we’ve lost an important part of our culture, and one of the reasons for our unprecedented success.

      3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        “But it won’t do so by itself.”

        You do realize that things that don’t fail “by itself” are working systems, right?

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          I dunno. Did the kid learn anything?

          Seems to me that he’s about to receive an incredibly valuable lesson on civil law. Most probably he will learn about a settlement and an NDA. But maybe not. The school’s lawyer will interview everyone involved and just might file a counter suit for legal fees.

          What I’m reading is a well-written version that a plaintiff’s lawyer would like me to read. Clearly, other kids heard what was said in a class initially and at least one also heard a discussion bordering on xenophobia.

          We’ll see. The first step is for the school to meet or not the demands by Oct 15. Well, it’s Oct 22?

        2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Btw, I’ve written more than one letter that I ended with “Govern your actions accordingly.” Maybe 10% hit.

        3. LarrytheG Avatar

          It would be better on posts like this – to give both sides. If the post is truly accurate a wrong was done to the kid but when we have one-sided posts like this and others these days – here, it makes it hard to arrive at a fair assessment.

  2. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Hell yeah!
    This sounds like exactly what should happen at VMI…. right before they tear it down.
    Hopefully the GA and Dr Gov. Coonman will memorialize it legally so that you have to either be racist or anti-racist!
    Maybe it can even be on our driver’s license… hair: brown, organ donor: yes, type of person: anti-racist.
    And better yet maybe that can determine whether you need to use headlights or not!

  3. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Seriously though…. great time to be a lawyer!

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Yeah, 90% of whom are underemployed. I’d rather run a restaurant in the covid peak. Better chance of making a living.

  4. ksmith8953 Avatar
    ksmith8953

    Since he has been at this school since age 4, where were the school’s leaders with this issue along the way? So, did they just decide to become anti-racists?

    1. I believe the discussion was about culture, not race. Might Northern Ireland have experienced less conflict had Protestants not been imported? The Protestant Catholic conflict in Northern Ireland hasn’t been a race issue.

      Young minds need to be able to grapple with various concepts and ideas without feeling like they must walk on eggshells, even when they are wrong. Being wrong and working through issues is how learning takes place.

      How else will our youth develop critical thinking? That doesn’t happen with wrote memorization.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      My guess is the kid’s education started failing him at the end of January some 3+ years ago.

  5. LarrytheG Avatar

    re: ” Connor reminded Mr. Fluharty the discussion was about the past and the United States would have better having not brought slaves to the Country. ”

    this part is true?

    1. So, Larry, which is more racist…

      Thinking it would have been better if the United States had never brought slaves to the country….

      Or thinking that it would have been better if it had?

      This is called “Damned if you do, damned if you don’t” racism. No matter what you say, it’s racist.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        which is more racist? what a question guy. More black and white thinking here!

        How do you think ANYONE who immigrated to this country would feel if someone told them the country would be better off if they had not immigrated to this country?

        Is that racist?

        I’m really surprised at you. Over the years, you’ve gotten worse and worse on these issues…

        I think they were pretty tough on the kid… Even Jefferson thought that – by the way but now days, most folks consider that attitude to be not a good one… even if it’s not directed at blacks but at anyone who came here… it goes against the values of the Country.

        1. You still haven’t answered the question.

          How can the forced importation of slaves during the early years of this country be horrendously evil, but not also a mistake?

        2. Are you actually saying that importing slaves into the United States was not an evil and horrible thing?

        3. djrippert Avatar

          Here’s a simple question, Larry – Knowing what you know today, if you could magically go back in time to 1618 and prevent any slaves from being brought to America, would you do that? Your answer can be as long as you’d like but it would be nice if it started with one of two words – “yes” or “no”.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Slavery was wrong. Immigration is not. Got it? It don’t matter when.

            When we say we should not have ever allowed slavery, do we also mean we should not have ever allowed Italians or the Irish to immigrate?

            That’s we’d be better off as a country if we only had English heritage, no melting pot, no other “kinds”?

          2. Larrythe G – You wrote: “When we say we should not have ever allowed slavery, do we also mean we should not have ever allowed Italians or the Irish to immigrate?”

            No. Of course not. As far as I am concerned a person would have to be mentally ill to even remotely consider the idea that “we should not have allowed slavery” might mean the same thing as “we should not have ever allowed Italians or the Irish to immigrate” or “we should never have allowed [whomever] to immigrate” for that matter. The two concepts are worlds apart.

            You have some seriously sick ideas running around in your head.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            ” Connor reminded Mr. Fluharty the discussion was about the past and the United States would have better having not brought slaves to the Country. Connor was not saying America would be better off it only white people live here, but in the context of the slave trade era, those circumstances resulted in the Country having more internal conflict. Connor gave examples of historical societies that have had more conflict with multicultural immigration policies versus societies that have homogenous cultural groups.”

        4. PackerFan Avatar

          OK, Larry, so maybe Jim could have said specifically that “The country would have been better off had Africans not been brought here as slaves” versus the which one is better scenario, but YOU seem to be getting worse and worse on looking for racism in every sentence and phrase.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            No. I have not changed at all. I still think that kind of talk reveals unacceptable attitudes about race – and immigration.

            And yes, attitudes about immigration as well as race HAVE deteriorated in recent years especially on the right.

            Not looking for it… just seeing it pop up a LOT these days.

            Have you been reading all the posts about it written here in BR recently? NONE written by me! ALL written by others.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Not having brought slaves in would have been less cruel. But in answer to your burning strawman, not having 100 years of Jim Crow would have been infinitely less racist.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          but see, if we never brought slaves none of that Jim Crow stuff would have been provoked…. No slaves – no bad folks doing Jim Crow?

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Clearly you didn’t read the link regarding logical fallacies as you two still use them incorrectly.

          “But in answer to your burning strawman, not having 100 years of Jim Crow would have been infinitely less racist.”

          Jim Crow would’ve not risen if there had been no importation of slaves in 1619.

          When accusing others of using strawman, it’s best that you don’t engage in one yourself.

      3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        I dunno.

        Would it be racist to say they should have slaughtered them as they came off the boats? Not the slave ships, the Godspeed and the other two, and that other one named after a van line.

        Oooh yeah, I’ll bet that would be racist, and anti-immigrant just like the kid said.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “Oooh yeah, I’ll bet that would be racist, and anti-immigrant just like the kid said.”

          Furthermore, the fact that you are a teacher and find no issue with administrators and teachers berating an under age student without parents present, is appalling.

          The first action to be done should’ve been contacting the parents, second it to follow the current tenants of not bullying, which clearly went out the window (as that is what was done).]

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    So this kid gets a two day suspension for this? No foul language, no racial slurs, no threats, no dishonesty, and which school policy was violated? It seems must Mr. Fluharty was in the process of being outfoxed by a 16 year old who reasoned things out with a defendable argument. Mr. Fluharty should have been half way impressed with this level of critical thinking and Connor’s steadfastness in defending his argument. Seems to me that Fluharty, Horgan, Angilly, and the Headmaster fumbled the football 4 times in the wrong direction and scored on themselves!

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      “No foul language, no racial slurs, no threats, no dishonesty…”

      And you have his lawyer’s word on that… which, by the by, is all you have.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        True. There are two sides to every story. It would be good to get the teacher and administrations views on this subject. But on the other hand, mom and dad don’t lawyer up unless they think they are right and Connor was thrown under the bus.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          And how many moms and dads don’t believe their kids? What we hear is Connor. And kids don’t lie, right? Especially when suspended from school, eh?

          “I got an ‘F’ because Ms. Peach hates me, Mom!”

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        Well considering his parents weren’t informed on the issue and weren’t consulted prior to his interrogation, I’d be more inclined to take the students words. You know the minor being, berated outside of school policy by teachers and admin.

        However, I understand you condoning bullying as the “ends justify the means” am I right?

  7. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    This is a private, non sectarian school?

  8. 2 words: massive lawsuit. Tim Anderson is a pretty good lawyer. The kid was right.

  9. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Why should I care?
    I don’t like in Virginia Beach.
    My children are grown and would never go to this school.
    I have never heard of this school before.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Why should I care?
      I don’t like in Virginia Beach.
      My children are grown and would never go to this school.
      I have never heard of this school before.”

      So as long as it doesn’t affect you, you condone bullying. That is the same attitude the US had prior to entering WWII. How enlightened of you.

  10. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Why should I care?
    I don’t live in Virginia Beach.
    My children are grown and would never go to this school.
    I have never heard of this school before.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      I don’t live in Virginia Beach. I’ve never heard of this school either. None of my children will ever go to this school. However, my youngest son is still in high school and this issue highlights to me a question I need to ask him – would he get suspended from his school for doing what young Mr Amet did?

      As for your children being grown, I suppose you might still have grandchildren someday, no?

    2. NotARobot Avatar

      Does every article have to be of personal importance to you specifically or is it enough that other people are interested?

    3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      That was right the first time. Damned few like VB, especially those who DO live there.

  11. You can’t fight the WOKE society. Just nod your head in agreement and act on your personal beliefs. This will all reverse over time.

    1. I would like to think that the woke revolution will reverse itself in time. But it won’t do so by itself. Unless the population rises up to resist, totalitarian wokeness will become the new normal.

      1. Strict indoctrination doesn’t produce critical thinkers. That’s one reason why China has been sending its students to U.S. Universities.

        If we lose our ability to present our thoughts and challenge ideas, we’ve lost an important part of our culture, and one of the reasons for our unprecedented success.

      2. John Harvie Avatar
        John Harvie

        I’m afraid it already is, making reversal impossible. Conservative/Libertarian majority is probably gone for ever.

        We are just going to have to learn to live with it … we have lost the war and all we can do going forward is some rear guard skirmishes.

        Convince me I’m wrong if you can.

      3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        “But it won’t do so by itself.”

        You do realize that things that don’t fail “by itself” are working systems, right?

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          I dunno. Did the kid learn anything?

          Seems to me that he’s about to receive an incredibly valuable lesson on civil law. Most probably he will learn about a settlement and an NDA. But maybe not. The school’s lawyer will interview everyone involved and just might file a counter suit for legal fees.

          What I’m reading is a well-written version that a plaintiff’s lawyer would like me to read. Clearly, other kids heard what was said in a class initially and at least one also heard a discussion bordering on xenophobia.

          We’ll see. The first step is for the school to meet or not the demands by Oct 15. Well, it’s Oct 22?

        2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          Btw, I’ve written more than one letter that I ended with “Govern your actions accordingly.” Maybe 10% hit.

        3. LarrytheG Avatar

          It would be better on posts like this – to give both sides. If the post is truly accurate a wrong was done to the kid but when we have one-sided posts like this and others these days – here, it makes it hard to arrive at a fair assessment.

  12. fromthefuture Avatar
    fromthefuture

    The point of this post is that Cape Henry Collegiate School is a bullshit school?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Or a bs lawyer… what are the odds on which?

  13. fromthefuture Avatar
    fromthefuture

    The point of this post is that Cape Henry Collegiate School is a bullshit school?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Or a bs lawyer… what are the odds on which?

  14. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Hell yeah!
    This sounds like exactly what should happen at VMI…. right before they tear it down.
    Hopefully the GA and Dr Gov. Coonman will memorialize it legally so that you have to either be racist or anti-racist!
    Maybe it can even be on our driver’s license… hair: brown, organ donor: yes, type of person: anti-racist.
    And better yet maybe that can determine whether you need to use headlights or not!

  15. Baconator with extra cheese Avatar
    Baconator with extra cheese

    Seriously though…. great time to be a lawyer!

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Yeah, 90% of whom are underemployed. I’d rather run a restaurant in the covid peak. Better chance of making a living.

  16. ksmith8953 Avatar
    ksmith8953

    Since he has been at this school since age 4, where were the school’s leaders with this issue along the way? So, did they just decide to become anti-racists?

    1. I believe the discussion was about culture, not race. Might Northern Ireland have experienced less conflict had Protestants not been imported? The Protestant Catholic conflict in Northern Ireland hasn’t been a race issue.

      Young minds need to be able to grapple with various concepts and ideas without feeling like they must walk on eggshells, even when they are wrong. Being wrong and working through issues is how learning takes place.

      How else will our youth develop critical thinking? That doesn’t happen with wrote memorization.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      My guess is the kid’s education started failing him at the end of January some 3+ years ago.

  17. LarrytheG Avatar

    re: ” Connor reminded Mr. Fluharty the discussion was about the past and the United States would have better having not brought slaves to the Country. ”

    this part is true?

    1. So, Larry, which is more racist…

      Thinking it would have been better if the United States had never brought slaves to the country….

      Or thinking that it would have been better if it had?

      This is called “Damned if you do, damned if you don’t” racism. No matter what you say, it’s racist.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        which is more racist? what a question guy. More black and white thinking here!

        How do you think ANYONE who immigrated to this country would feel if someone told them the country would be better off if they had not immigrated to this country?

        Is that racist?

        I’m really surprised at you. Over the years, you’ve gotten worse and worse on these issues…

        I think they were pretty tough on the kid… Even Jefferson thought that – by the way but now days, most folks consider that attitude to be not a good one… even if it’s not directed at blacks but at anyone who came here… it goes against the values of the Country.

        1. You still haven’t answered the question.

          How can the forced importation of slaves during the early years of this country be horrendously evil, but not also a mistake?

        2. Are you actually saying that importing slaves into the United States was not an evil and horrible thing?

        3. djrippert Avatar

          Here’s a simple question, Larry – Knowing what you know today, if you could magically go back in time to 1618 and prevent any slaves from being brought to America, would you do that? Your answer can be as long as you’d like but it would be nice if it started with one of two words – “yes” or “no”.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Slavery was wrong. Immigration is not. Got it? It don’t matter when.

            When we say we should not have ever allowed slavery, do we also mean we should not have ever allowed Italians or the Irish to immigrate?

            That’s we’d be better off as a country if we only had English heritage, no melting pot, no other “kinds”?

          2. Larrythe G – You wrote: “When we say we should not have ever allowed slavery, do we also mean we should not have ever allowed Italians or the Irish to immigrate?”

            No. Of course not. As far as I am concerned a person would have to be mentally ill to even remotely consider the idea that “we should not have allowed slavery” might mean the same thing as “we should not have ever allowed Italians or the Irish to immigrate” or “we should never have allowed [whomever] to immigrate” for that matter. The two concepts are worlds apart.

            You have some seriously sick ideas running around in your head.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            ” Connor reminded Mr. Fluharty the discussion was about the past and the United States would have better having not brought slaves to the Country. Connor was not saying America would be better off it only white people live here, but in the context of the slave trade era, those circumstances resulted in the Country having more internal conflict. Connor gave examples of historical societies that have had more conflict with multicultural immigration policies versus societies that have homogenous cultural groups.”

        4. PackerFan Avatar

          OK, Larry, so maybe Jim could have said specifically that “The country would have been better off had Africans not been brought here as slaves” versus the which one is better scenario, but YOU seem to be getting worse and worse on looking for racism in every sentence and phrase.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            No. I have not changed at all. I still think that kind of talk reveals unacceptable attitudes about race – and immigration.

            And yes, attitudes about immigration as well as race HAVE deteriorated in recent years especially on the right.

            Not looking for it… just seeing it pop up a LOT these days.

            Have you been reading all the posts about it written here in BR recently? NONE written by me! ALL written by others.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Not having brought slaves in would have been less cruel. But in answer to your burning strawman, not having 100 years of Jim Crow would have been infinitely less racist.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          but see, if we never brought slaves none of that Jim Crow stuff would have been provoked…. No slaves – no bad folks doing Jim Crow?

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Clearly you didn’t read the link regarding logical fallacies as you two still use them incorrectly.

          “But in answer to your burning strawman, not having 100 years of Jim Crow would have been infinitely less racist.”

          Jim Crow would’ve not risen if there had been no importation of slaves in 1619.

          When accusing others of using strawman, it’s best that you don’t engage in one yourself.

      3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        I dunno.

        Would it be racist to say they should have slaughtered them as they came off the boats? Not the slave ships, the Godspeed and the other two, and that other one named after a van line.

        Oooh yeah, I’ll bet that would be racist, and anti-immigrant just like the kid said.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          “Oooh yeah, I’ll bet that would be racist, and anti-immigrant just like the kid said.”

          Furthermore, the fact that you are a teacher and find no issue with administrators and teachers berating an under age student without parents present, is appalling.

          The first action to be done should’ve been contacting the parents, second it to follow the current tenants of not bullying, which clearly went out the window (as that is what was done).]

  18. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    So this kid gets a two day suspension for this? No foul language, no racial slurs, no threats, no dishonesty, and which school policy was violated? It seems must Mr. Fluharty was in the process of being outfoxed by a 16 year old who reasoned things out with a defendable argument. Mr. Fluharty should have been half way impressed with this level of critical thinking and Connor’s steadfastness in defending his argument. Seems to me that Fluharty, Horgan, Angilly, and the Headmaster fumbled the football 4 times in the wrong direction and scored on themselves!

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      “No foul language, no racial slurs, no threats, no dishonesty…”

      And you have his lawyer’s word on that… which, by the by, is all you have.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        True. There are two sides to every story. It would be good to get the teacher and administrations views on this subject. But on the other hand, mom and dad don’t lawyer up unless they think they are right and Connor was thrown under the bus.

        1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
          Nancy_Naive

          And how many moms and dads don’t believe their kids? What we hear is Connor. And kids don’t lie, right? Especially when suspended from school, eh?

          “I got an ‘F’ because Ms. Peach hates me, Mom!”

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        Well considering his parents weren’t informed on the issue and weren’t consulted prior to his interrogation, I’d be more inclined to take the students words. You know the minor being, berated outside of school policy by teachers and admin.

        However, I understand you condoning bullying as the “ends justify the means” am I right?

  19. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    This is a private, non sectarian school?

  20. 2 words: massive lawsuit. Tim Anderson is a pretty good lawyer. The kid was right.

  21. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Why should I care?
    I don’t like in Virginia Beach.
    My children are grown and would never go to this school.
    I have never heard of this school before.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “Why should I care?
      I don’t like in Virginia Beach.
      My children are grown and would never go to this school.
      I have never heard of this school before.”

      So as long as it doesn’t affect you, you condone bullying. That is the same attitude the US had prior to entering WWII. How enlightened of you.

  22. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Why should I care?
    I don’t live in Virginia Beach.
    My children are grown and would never go to this school.
    I have never heard of this school before.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      I don’t live in Virginia Beach. I’ve never heard of this school either. None of my children will ever go to this school. However, my youngest son is still in high school and this issue highlights to me a question I need to ask him – would he get suspended from his school for doing what young Mr Amet did?

      As for your children being grown, I suppose you might still have grandchildren someday, no?

    2. NotARobot Avatar

      Does every article have to be of personal importance to you specifically or is it enough that other people are interested?

    3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      That was right the first time. Damned few like VB, especially those who DO live there.

  23. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    I would support their right to speak. And I have.

  24. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    I would support their right to speak. And I have.

  25. LarrytheG Avatar

    ” During that conversation, when there was a discussion about President Trump on immigration and whether immigration is bad/good, Connor weighed in that immigration could have detrimental effects on society. Connor’s opinion was based on his understanding of conflicts that have historically risen in societies that have multicultural immigration policies.”

    Really?

    Is that the way most here in BR feel?

    1. Are you saying immigration cannot EVER have any detrimental effects on a society?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Wel no more than natural born might also? 😉

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Yeah, you know, conflicts like in Canada.

      Ireland is nearly all white and Irish and they have a 120 year history of killing themselves. We have North and South Korea, and they fight too.

      1. “Ireland is nearly all white and Irish and they have a 120 year history of killing themselves. ”

        Multi-cultural is not synonymous with multi-racial.

  26. LarrytheG Avatar

    ” During that conversation, when there was a discussion about President Trump on immigration and whether immigration is bad/good, Connor weighed in that immigration could have detrimental effects on society. Connor’s opinion was based on his understanding of conflicts that have historically risen in societies that have multicultural immigration policies.”

    Really?

    Is that the way most here in BR feel?

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Yeah, you know, conflicts like in Canada.

      Ireland is nearly all white and Irish and they have a 120 year history of killing themselves. We have North and South Korea, and they fight too.

      1. “Ireland is nearly all white and Irish and they have a 120 year history of killing themselves. ”

        Multi-cultural is not synonymous with multi-racial.

    2. Are you saying immigration cannot EVER have any detrimental effects on a society?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Wel no more than natural born might also? 😉

  27. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    What an incredible waste of time. Who cares about a small, unknown private school?

    1. Says the guy who continues to post comments about the story…

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        just trying to make sure we’re talking about the same thing! 😉

        1. Is your name Peter Galuszka?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Are you the posting and commenting police?

            Can’t find anything to amuse yourself with?

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Well, one advantage is you can bar gay children, and the children of same-sex couples AND have a future Supreme Court Justice on your BoD.

  28. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    What an incredible waste of time. Who cares about a small, unknown private school?

    1. Says the guy who continues to post comments about the story…

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        just trying to make sure we’re talking about the same thing! 😉

        1. Is your name Peter Galuszka?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Are you the posting and commenting police?

            Can’t find anything to amuse yourself with?

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      Well, one advantage is you can bar gay children, and the children of same-sex couples AND have a future Supreme Court Justice on your BoD.

  29. Let’s get back to the point of this post. It isn’t about the school or the city or even about what the boy said as it is about the accusations and persecution of someone expressing his thought. In this case, a student of a global scholars class in which students are encouraged to express their thoughts and beliefs and ideas about controversial, often political, subjects for discussion with their fellow classmates. It’s about being unjustly condemned by those who think their thoughts and beliefs and ideas better be yours also. Or you will be humiliated and punished. And very possibly chastised on social media!
    This can just as easily happen in your city and your schools and your places of employment and your neighborhoods, etc.

  30. Let’s get back to the point of this post. It isn’t about the school or the city or even about what the boy said as it is about the accusations and persecution of someone expressing his thought. In this case, a student of a global scholars class in which students are encouraged to express their thoughts and beliefs and ideas about controversial, often political, subjects for discussion with their fellow classmates. It’s about being unjustly condemned by those who think their thoughts and beliefs and ideas better be yours also. Or you will be humiliated and punished. And very possibly chastised on social media!
    This can just as easily happen in your city and your schools and your places of employment and your neighborhoods, etc.

  31. Let’s get back to the point of this post. It isn’t about the school or the city or even about what the boy said as it is about the accusations and persecution of someone expressing his thought. In this case, a student of a global scholars class in which students are encouraged to express their thoughts and beliefs and ideas about controversial, often political, subjects for discussion with their fellow classmates. It’s about being unjustly condemned by those who think their thoughts and beliefs and ideas better be yours also. Or you will be humiliated and punished. And very possibly chastised on social media!
    This can just as easily happen in your city and your schools and your places of employment and your neighborhoods, etc.

  32. Maria Paluzsay Avatar
    Maria Paluzsay

    “Who cares about a small, unknown private school?” Really? Everyone should care about every school, and every limit on free speech and the ever more rare debate of thought out opinion. It is beside the point that the boy’s comment was valid and not racist:

    “racism: The inability or refusal to recognize the rights, needs, dignity, or value of people of particular races or geographical origins. More widely, the devaluation of various traits of character or intelligence as ‘typical’ of particular peoples.” OxfordReference.com; just to be clear.

    The boy was slammed by Woke faculty who did not have the minimum decency to bother to listen to what he said. Let’s hope these holier than thou enlightened ones go the way of McCarthyism and the Pioneer Youth. Mr. Galuszka this is certainly not actually about a little known private school, this is about Cancel Culture v. Intelligent Discourse, with a dash of First Amendment for flavor. This could be at your door by the morning.

  33. Maria Paluzsay Avatar
    Maria Paluzsay

    “Who cares about a small, unknown private school?” Really? Everyone should care about every school, and every limit on free speech and the ever more rare debate of thought out opinion. It is beside the point that the boy’s comment was valid and not racist:

    “racism: The inability or refusal to recognize the rights, needs, dignity, or value of people of particular races or geographical origins. More widely, the devaluation of various traits of character or intelligence as ‘typical’ of particular peoples.” OxfordReference.com; just to be clear.

    The boy was slammed by Woke faculty who did not have the minimum decency to bother to listen to what he said. Let’s hope these holier than thou enlightened ones go the way of McCarthyism and the Pioneer Youth. Mr. Galuszka this is certainly not actually about a little known private school, this is about Cancel Culture v. Intelligent Discourse, with a dash of First Amendment for flavor. This could be at your door by the morning.

  34. LarrytheG Avatar

    ” I publish here an open letter, written by attorney Timothy Anderson, on behalf of student Connor Amet, to school officials. The letter should be read with caution: It represents Connor’s view, not those of school officials. But if the incidents described are remotely representative of actual events, they should terrify every Virginian who values independent thinking and free expression.”

    It may be an accurate account but I’d like to hear the school’s side.

  35. LarrytheG Avatar

    ” I publish here an open letter, written by attorney Timothy Anderson, on behalf of student Connor Amet, to school officials. The letter should be read with caution: It represents Connor’s view, not those of school officials. But if the incidents described are remotely representative of actual events, they should terrify every Virginian who values independent thinking and free expression.”

    It may be an accurate account but I’d like to hear the school’s side.

  36. Let’s get back to the point of this post. It isn’t about the school or the city or even about what the boy said as it is about the accusations and persecution of someone expressing his thought. In this case, a student of a global scholars class in which students are encouraged to express their thoughts and beliefs and ideas about controversial, often political, subjects for discussion with their fellow classmates. It’s about being unjustly condemned by those who think their thoughts and beliefs and ideas better be yours also. Or you will be humiliated and punished. And very possibly chastised on social media!
    This can just as easily happen in your city and your schools and your places of employment and your neighborhoods, etc.

  37. UpAgnstTheWall Avatar
    UpAgnstTheWall

    This is a problem with having people with no understanding of these issues trying to intercede in racial justice issues. “It’s not the job of Black people to educate white people” is a Tumblr response, not something a school administrator says to a student. That said, if students were turning this into an issue (other students confronting Connor in another class and spreading it around social media) the school had an obligation to respond. Since the lawyer refused to quote his client directly – interesting that – let’s see what can be inferred from context.

    “Connor weighed in that immigration could have detrimental effects on society…based on his understanding of conflicts that have historically risen in societies that have multicultural immigration policies.”

    Again, we don’t know the exact words, but this is a favorite line of assertion from various white nationalists. To interrogate the claim in depth could be its own post, but immigration policies are a fairly modern invention so trying to root them in any real historical analysis is specious. The nation state itself is a newish concept in human history to say nothing of standardized identification and closable borders. None of this is necessarily damning on its own, but the wellspring for it is seriously tainted.

    “Connor was again questioned by Mr. Fluharty about how he felt ‘being around dark skin people’ for his school-sponsored upcoming trip to Greece..”

    This is framed as a reprimand when it was really a question, and one the author didn’t see fit to provide the answer for. Again, not an indictment in itself, but interesting nevertheless.

    “…Connor responded that since Cape Henry is mostly a white school (88% white) he has attended since he was 4 years old, he has none…”

    Again, not a statement that per se shows that someone is racist, but it also doesn’t tell the whole story. It is entirely possible to make friends with underrepresented people – there were only two Black women in my entire undergrad program and I got to know them quite well. And because I wanted to see if there was additional context floating out there about this story I did a quick Google search on the subject’s name and he’s on the CHC track team with Black teammates. Does it immediately make someone racist to not be friends with their teammates? Nope, and track athletes tend to be both weirder and less collegial than teammates in other sports. Another ambiguous puzzle piece.

    So why does all that matter? Well, two reasons.

    First, “…is not a racist statement warranting suspension…” implies there are racist statements warranting suspension. So if the evidence that this wasn’t one of those is flimsy then this central point falls apart. There are also several places where the administration is blamed for sullying the boy’s name, but the chronology provided by the author showed the student’s peer group did that independently and first and the administration reacted after the fact. Did they respond appropriately? On the subject of the suspension it’s hard to say without more detail. On the amount of time these administrator’s spent as adults interacting with this kid solo, yeah, that’s a problem.

    Second, “Mr. Fluharty then stated to Connor, ‘You have become more radically right-winged in the past two years’…” and “Mr. Horgan told Connor he had been ‘fed by white supremacists online and was being used as a puppet to intellectualize their arguments.’”

    If those two statements are true, the school had every right to intervene. From Elliot Rodgers to Dylann Roof to Nikolas Cruz the radicalization of young men by racist online groups has deadly consequences. This is an era of stochastic terrorism, and even the Department of Homeland Security – no bastion of Progressivism – has named white supremacists the nation’s top terrorism threat (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236).

    Does this mean the administration acted perfectly? Absolutely not, but this isn’t about defending them so much as it’s about trying to understand the full context for what’s unfolded.

    It’s also – returning to a theme – about who conservatives want to be and how they want to define their priorities. This is the second piece this week about a private organization punishing potentially racist actions by its members, the other being the Kansas (never want to read again about how this is a Virginia specific blog and that’s why we don’t post about Trump). Is this really how conservatives want to spend their energy? Defending the right to be racist without consequence? I know I’m just some wokescold or whatever, but the argument that immigration is bad because multicultural societies are uniquely given to conflict isn’t a value neutral proposition…it’s an argument from which the only logical resolution is ethnic cleansing. And if the response is “Well, the marketplace of ideas…” then my response is A) there’s no value in being so open minded your brain falls out of your ears and B) his peer group spoke before the administration – they rejected his ideas. The views of the young lady in her sorority were similarly rejected by her peers. All conservatives do by defending this stuff is signal to others that white identity is central to the conservative philosophy.

    As with last week’s post about preserving “intellectual diversity” here again conservatives run into their own problems. The same people who talk about “everyone is too sensitive” or sneer at safe spaces when the subjects are racial, ethnic, religious, or sexually oriented minorities (in essence, what people don’t choose) suddenly find an “emotional 16 year old” needs a “safe learning environment” because his opinions (which he absolutely chooses) are unpopular with his peers and raise alarms among administration. Now, you’re free to argue that ideas are more important than identity and deserve special protection, but you don’t get to do that and call Progressivism a disease.

    For this kid’s sake I hope this burns out quickly. The administrators in question also need to take a hard look at their protocols and figure out how to handle this type of situation better.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      If you don’t represent the school in this matter, the least you can do is send the headmaster a copy of your reply to the charge letter.

      Take that cogently, Steve.

  38. UpAgnstTheWall Avatar
    UpAgnstTheWall

    This is a problem with having people with no understanding of these issues trying to intercede in racial justice issues. “It’s not the job of Black people to educate white people” is a Tumblr response, not something a school administrator says to a student. That said, if students were turning this into an issue (other students confronting Connor in another class and spreading it around social media) the school had an obligation to respond. Since the lawyer refused to quote his client directly – interesting that – let’s see what can be inferred from context.

    “Connor weighed in that immigration could have detrimental effects on society…based on his understanding of conflicts that have historically risen in societies that have multicultural immigration policies.”

    Again, we don’t know the exact words, but this is a favorite line of assertion from various white nationalists. To interrogate the claim in depth could be its own post, but immigration policies are a fairly modern invention so trying to root them in any real historical analysis is specious. The nation state itself is a newish concept in human history to say nothing of standardized identification and closable borders. None of this is necessarily damning on its own, but the wellspring for it is seriously tainted.

    “Connor was again questioned by Mr. Fluharty about how he felt ‘being around dark skin people’ for his school-sponsored upcoming trip to Greece..”

    This is framed as a reprimand when it was really a question, and one the author didn’t see fit to provide the answer for. Again, not an indictment in itself, but interesting nevertheless.

    “…Connor responded that since Cape Henry is mostly a white school (88% white) he has attended since he was 4 years old, he has none…”

    Again, not a statement that per se shows that someone is racist, but it also doesn’t tell the whole story. It is entirely possible to make friends with underrepresented people – there were only two Black women in my entire undergrad program and I got to know them quite well. And because I wanted to see if there was additional context floating out there about this story I did a quick Google search on the subject’s name and he’s on the CHC track team with Black teammates. Does it immediately make someone racist to not be friends with their teammates? Nope, and track athletes tend to be both weirder and less collegial than teammates in other sports. Another ambiguous puzzle piece.

    So why does all that matter? Well, two reasons.

    First, “…is not a racist statement warranting suspension…” implies there are racist statements warranting suspension. So if the evidence that this wasn’t one of those is flimsy then this central point falls apart. There are also several places where the administration is blamed for sullying the boy’s name, but the chronology provided by the author showed the student’s peer group did that independently and first and the administration reacted after the fact. Did they respond appropriately? On the subject of the suspension it’s hard to say without more detail. On the amount of time these administrator’s spent as adults interacting with this kid solo, yeah, that’s a problem.

    Second, “Mr. Fluharty then stated to Connor, ‘You have become more radically right-winged in the past two years’…” and “Mr. Horgan told Connor he had been ‘fed by white supremacists online and was being used as a puppet to intellectualize their arguments.’”

    If those two statements are true, the school had every right to intervene. From Elliot Rodgers to Dylann Roof to Nikolas Cruz the radicalization of young men by racist online groups has deadly consequences. This is an era of stochastic terrorism, and even the Department of Homeland Security – no bastion of Progressivism – has named white supremacists the nation’s top terrorism threat (https://www.politico.com/news/2020/09/04/white-supremacists-terror-threat-dhs-409236).

    Does this mean the administration acted perfectly? Absolutely not, but this isn’t about defending them so much as it’s about trying to understand the full context for what’s unfolded.

    It’s also – returning to a theme – about who conservatives want to be and how they want to define their priorities. This is the second piece this week about a private organization punishing potentially racist actions by its members, the other being the Kansas (never want to read again about how this is a Virginia specific blog and that’s why we don’t post about Trump). Is this really how conservatives want to spend their energy? Defending the right to be racist without consequence? I know I’m just some wokescold or whatever, but the argument that immigration is bad because multicultural societies are uniquely given to conflict isn’t a value neutral proposition…it’s an argument from which the only logical resolution is ethnic cleansing. And if the response is “Well, the marketplace of ideas…” then my response is A) there’s no value in being so open minded your brain falls out of your ears and B) his peer group spoke before the administration – they rejected his ideas. The views of the young lady in her sorority were similarly rejected by her peers. All conservatives do by defending this stuff is signal to others that white identity is central to the conservative philosophy.

    As with last week’s post about preserving “intellectual diversity” here again conservatives run into their own problems. The same people who talk about “everyone is too sensitive” or sneer at safe spaces when the subjects are racial, ethnic, religious, or sexually oriented minorities (in essence, what people don’t choose) suddenly find an “emotional 16 year old” needs a “safe learning environment” because his opinions (which he absolutely chooses) are unpopular with his peers and raise alarms among administration. Now, you’re free to argue that ideas are more important than identity and deserve special protection, but you don’t get to do that and call Progressivism a disease.

    For this kid’s sake I hope this burns out quickly. The administrators in question also need to take a hard look at their protocols and figure out how to handle this type of situation better.

    1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      If you don’t represent the school in this matter, the least you can do is send the headmaster a copy of your reply to the charge letter.

      Take that cogently, Steve.

  39. LarrytheG Avatar

    Good post – it really nails some issues.

  40. “All conservatives do by defending this stuff is signal to others that white identity is central to the conservative philosophy.”

    I did not necessarily endorse all his views. I advocated for the ability to discuss matters of importance openly in a learning environment. If important issues are off limits for discussion, we should just publish a “little red book” for all our students to memorize.

    I’ve taught classes that touched on sensitive issues. This was not an example of how one should engage students. My comment above provides an example of how the point the student was making could be demonstrated without race by looking at the history of Northern Ireland. That’s where I would have steered the conversation to avoid the discussion devolving into a race issue.

    Immigration is a legitimate topic for debate. The diversion to race, and labeling any dissenting opinions as white supremacy is a frequent tactic used by the left to stifle discussion.

    For example, when the Wuhan virus was determined to be both contagious and potentially deadly, travel restrictions were imposed with China. The left immediately made accusations of bigotry. China is not a race or ethnicity. It’s a totalitarian adversary that has shown itself to be untrustworthy. The WHO would have been wise to heed warnings from Taiwan regarding COVID-19. The people of China and Taiwan are the same racially, ethically etc. The charge of bigotry was an unjustified fabrication. In the months following, travel restrictions were put in place all over the world, including between the U.S. and Canada. It’s dishonest and harmful to try to make everything about race.

    But when leftists are UpAgnstTheWall, that’s what they do.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      You’re not seriously equating temporary travel restrictions to preventing immigration are you?

      I agree that anyone should be able to express their opinion but doing so can and does have consequences. Some of them are basically free speech of others responding to your free speech – and it’s not even unlimited in other settings. You show up at school wearing NAZI or White Supremacy stuff and it’s going to have consequences.

      I still want to hear the school’s side of it – and would have preferred it be side by side instead of a one-sided account provided by a lawyer.

      1. “You’re not seriously equating temporary travel restrictions to preventing immigration are you?”

        Perhaps you opened the door for it when you equated opposition to the importation of slaves with opposition to immigration…

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Your name Nathan?

          Actually that’s what the kid did – no? I was responding to that really disgusting idea.

          1. No, Larry, he did not – at least not based on the comments mentioned in the article. If you have evidence of other comments the young man made then please post it.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            If your name Nathan?

      2. “You’re not seriously equating temporary travel restrictions to preventing immigration are you?”

        Read it again in context. The last sentence of the previous paragraph was, “The diversion to race, and labeling any dissenting opinions as white supremacy is a frequent tactic used by the left to stifle discussion.” The paragraph talking about travel restrictions then began with, “For example…”

        Reading comprehension anyone?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          ” On that day, Mr. Fluharty commenced a discussion on immigration to the group via Zoom. During that conversation, when there was a discussion about President Trump on immigration and whether immigration is bad/good, Connor weighed in that immigration could have detrimental effects on society. Connor’s opinion was based on his understanding of conflicts that have historically risen in societies that have multicultural immigration policies.

          Following this, Mr. Fluharty immediately categorized Connor’s statements that Connor would prefer to have the United States as a sole, Anglo-Saxon society, for which Connor reminded Mr. Fluharty the discussion was about the past and the United States would have better having not brought slaves to the Country. ”

          ” Immigration is a legitimate topic for debate. The diversion to race, and labeling any dissenting opinions as white supremacy is a frequent tactic used by the left to stifle discussion.

          For example, when the Wuhan virus was determined to be both contagious and potentially deadly, travel restrictions were imposed with China. ”

          this looks pretty straightforward to me…

          you guys play games with words… so you can evade accountability for what you say sometimes…

          You clearly are linking travel restrictions to immigration IMHO.

  41. LarrytheG Avatar

    Good post – it really nails some issues.

  42. “All conservatives do by defending this stuff is signal to others that white identity is central to the conservative philosophy.”

    I did not necessarily endorse all his views. I advocated for the ability to discuss matters of importance openly in a learning environment. If important issues are off limits for discussion, we should just publish a “little red book” for all our students to memorize.

    I’ve taught classes that touched on sensitive issues. This was not an example of how one should engage students. My comment above provides an example of how the point the student was making could be demonstrated without race by looking at the history of Northern Ireland. That’s where I would have steered the conversation to avoid the discussion devolving into a race issue.

    Immigration is a legitimate topic for debate. The diversion to race, and labeling any dissenting opinions as white supremacy is a frequent tactic used by the left to stifle discussion.

    For example, when the Wuhan virus was determined to be both contagious and potentially deadly, travel restrictions were imposed with China. The left immediately made accusations of bigotry. China is not a race or ethnicity. It’s a totalitarian adversary that has shown itself to be untrustworthy. The WHO would have been wise to heed warnings from Taiwan regarding COVID-19. The people of China and Taiwan are the same racially, ethically etc. The charge of bigotry was an unjustified fabrication. In the months following, travel restrictions were put in place all over the world, including between the U.S. and Canada. It’s dishonest and harmful to try to make everything about race.

    But when leftists are UpAgnstTheWall, that’s what they do.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      You’re not seriously equating temporary travel restrictions to preventing immigration are you?

      I agree that anyone should be able to express their opinion but doing so can and does have consequences. Some of them are basically free speech of others responding to your free speech – and it’s not even unlimited in other settings. You show up at school wearing NAZI or White Supremacy stuff and it’s going to have consequences.

      I still want to hear the school’s side of it – and would have preferred it be side by side instead of a one-sided account provided by a lawyer.

      1. “You’re not seriously equating temporary travel restrictions to preventing immigration are you?”

        Perhaps you opened the door for it when you equated opposition to the importation of slaves with opposition to immigration…

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Your name Nathan?

          Actually that’s what the kid did – no? I was responding to that really disgusting idea.

          1. No, Larry, he did not – at least not based on the comments mentioned in the article. If you have evidence of other comments the young man made then please post it.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            If your name Nathan?

      2. “You’re not seriously equating temporary travel restrictions to preventing immigration are you?”

        Read it again in context. The last sentence of the previous paragraph was, “The diversion to race, and labeling any dissenting opinions as white supremacy is a frequent tactic used by the left to stifle discussion.” The paragraph talking about travel restrictions then began with, “For example…”

        Reading comprehension anyone?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          ” On that day, Mr. Fluharty commenced a discussion on immigration to the group via Zoom. During that conversation, when there was a discussion about President Trump on immigration and whether immigration is bad/good, Connor weighed in that immigration could have detrimental effects on society. Connor’s opinion was based on his understanding of conflicts that have historically risen in societies that have multicultural immigration policies.

          Following this, Mr. Fluharty immediately categorized Connor’s statements that Connor would prefer to have the United States as a sole, Anglo-Saxon society, for which Connor reminded Mr. Fluharty the discussion was about the past and the United States would have better having not brought slaves to the Country. ”

          ” Immigration is a legitimate topic for debate. The diversion to race, and labeling any dissenting opinions as white supremacy is a frequent tactic used by the left to stifle discussion.

          For example, when the Wuhan virus was determined to be both contagious and potentially deadly, travel restrictions were imposed with China. ”

          this looks pretty straightforward to me…

          you guys play games with words… so you can evade accountability for what you say sometimes…

          You clearly are linking travel restrictions to immigration IMHO.

  43. VDOTyranny Avatar
    VDOTyranny

    > Just nod your head in agreement and act on your personal beliefs.

    Same authoritarianism as ever, different trendy politics. All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead V

      Another Brick in the Wall. Same song tables turned. “If you don’t eat your meat, you can’t have any pudding”.

  44. VDOTyranny Avatar
    VDOTyranny

    > Just nod your head in agreement and act on your personal beliefs.

    Same authoritarianism as ever, different trendy politics. All in all you’re just another brick in the wall.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead V

      Another Brick in the Wall. Same song tables turned. “If you don’t eat your meat, you can’t have any pudding”.

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