Principles for Virginia’s Energy Future

NOAA data for Virginia, 1900-2020, showing no rising pattern in the number of days with an average high above 95 degrees F.

By Steve Haner

First published this morning by the Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy.

Energy is our economy. Energy is the basis of wealth and a comfortable life. As Virginia chooses a new set of legislators to wrestle with the old and new energy issues facing the Commonwealth, here is a review of some of the key points the Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy has been stressing and writing about over recent years.

Candidates in either party would do well to adopt them.

Energy Policy Talking Points

  • The proper authority to decide how much electricity generation Virginia needs, and what forms of generation should be built next, is the State Corporation Commission, not the General Assembly.
  • Low consumer cost and future system reliability should be the SCC’s priorities.
  • To restore the SCC’s autonomy, repeal the 2020 Virginia Clean Economy Act (VCEA) with its arbitrary, mandatory targets and deadlines for wind, solar and battery generation and its arbitrary demands to close reliable thermal generation.
  • VCEA compliance adds cost. The State Corporation Commission is projecting that Dominion’s residential price will rise more than 80% by 2035, compared to the cost before VCEA passed.  The price increase for Appalachian Power residential customers will also be substantial.
  • Wind, solar and back-up batteries will likely continue to proliferate, but fewer new plants should be controlled by monopoly utilities. Allowing independent providers to compete provides lower prices and protects ratepayers from operational risks. This is especially important for additional offshore wind projects, if any.
  • The existing nuclear power plants in Virginia should remain in place and supplementing them with additional nuclear generation should be considered, but only if it passes muster at the SCC as needed, reasonable and prudent.
  • Any decision to close a plant should be the SCC’s call based on cost or reliability.
  • Virginia should repeal the Air Pollution Control Board regulation that eliminates free consumer choice over whether to buy an internal combustion, hybrid or battery operated vehicle. Virginia should resist following California into similar mandates dealing with large trucks, trains, and gasoline powered machinery.
  • Governor Glenn Youngkin was correct to withdraw Virginia from the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative.  Virginia should not impose a carbon tax on any form of energy at the state or local level. Flood mitigation can find other funding.
  • Virginia localities should not be allowed to impose local restrictions or bans on the use of natural gas or other fossil fuels in homes, businesses and offices. A locality seeking to eliminate its municipally run gas utility should sell it, not close it.

The argument against those principles is founded on the belief that Virginia is already experiencing significant climate change and a crisis looms. What are the facts on “climate change” that candidates should understand?

  • Without carbon dioxide and the greenhouse effect of our atmosphere, life on Earth would end. They are good things, not bad things. Are we seeing too much of a good thing? No.
  • The level of temperature rise in the observed data is gradual and minimal, is not uniform, and may be due to natural causes. Nothing in the data points to pending catastrophe, and frankly only the most extreme of the projections do. Those get the media attention, of course.
  • Weather is not climate. No individual weather event means anything when looking at climate patterns over three decades or longer. How about the long term trend lines?
  • There is no evidence in the data that Virginia has experienced significant climate change:
  1. No increase in the frequency or severity of rainfall or drought.
  2. No increase in the frequency or severity of tornadoes or tropical storms.
  3. No acceleration in the slow rise of the coastal sea levels which have been underway for centuries. The subsidence of the land below Hampton Roads is a bigger factor than the rise in water levels. In part of the U.S. coastal relative sea level is dropping (something the media never mentions).
  4. No increase in flooding, although human development patterns that change water absorption and flow increase the damage done by flooding and need to be addressed. Heavy rains in the mountainous regions have always posed a local flash flooding threat.
  5. No rise in heatwaves or heat-related deaths, although once again human development patterns create heat islands that can raise local temperatures. The need for air conditioning is another reason electricity prices need to stay reasonable.
  • NOAA data on Virginia shows the same minimal temperature rise (1.5 degrees Fahrenheit over a century) and no increase in adverse weather conditions to date, but then focuses on “projections” of future doom.
  • There is no tangible, measurable “social cost of carbon.” It is a made-up number that forces irrational economic decisions.
  • Virginia, the United States and most Western democracies have reduced the amount of greenhouse emissions from their economies. But the emission reductions they have made have been swamped by rapidly expanding use of coal and other fossil fuels in China, Russia, India and other growing economies.  They render our efforts moot.

Since there is no climate crisis to address and no proof emissions will cause one, the most important priorities for our energy system should be reasonable consumer cost and reliable service. That means Virginia cannot expect to rely totally on renewable energy sources and will need to keep nuclear power and at least natural gas in the mix and may need to expand them.

For the same reasons – cost and reliability – Virginians should not be told that they must abandon gasoline or diesel vehicles or abandon the use of gas in their homes and offices. An all-electric economy is not feasible, and the costs will be astronomical. Consumers should be free to choose.

No issue pending in this election will have more impact on your financial future.


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58 responses to “Principles for Virginia’s Energy Future”

  1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    Teachers in middle and high school need this article. It would make a great learning experience! Great work. Let’s not brainwash folks. Stick to the facts.

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Too late, I mean every day the press says CO2 is murdering us and is instant death of humanity.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      The climate alarmism message has deep roots in the schools and is much more concerning than some of the other topics that have parents in an uproar. I know of a local school division still using material claiming that Glacier National Park will be ice free by 202o! And the nonsense was being peddled just this year….with the glaciers remaining.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        The predicted date may have been off, but the predicted trend was correct. Between 1966 and 2020, every named glacier got smaller, some by as much as 80 percent. https://www.nps.gov/glac/learn/nature/glaciersoverview.htm

        1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
          f/k/a_tmtfairfax

          Predictions about timing go to credibility. Of course, the MSM ignores that.

          Solutions come from reasoned debate based on facts, which includes the credibility of the speaker and his/her arguments.

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Saw this in person last week when visiting the Athabasca glacier in Alberta. All the glaciers flowing from the Columbia Icefield are in retreat. They will no longer exist (as in gone forever) in not too many decades. Unlikely any of my grandchildren will ever see them.

          https://skepticalscience.com/athabasca.html

          And to preempt Mr. Haner, yes glaciers (including Athabasca) have been in recession since before the Industrial Revolution but that recession has been greatly accelerated through man-made climate change. Latest estimate are that 2/3rd or more of current glacier recession rates are due to anthropogenic climate change.

  2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “No increase in the frequency or severity of rainfall or drought.” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/29610080ddbe2c03318b4118af6484c1a7e9508102eacc383b6cb60552901779.jpg

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Like a Rorschach test for you I guess, seeing patterns that I don’t see. Those recent peak rainfall years are right in line with the 1930s and were exceeded in the first decade, so what does that mean? That’s the point of the long view.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I think the shrinks are more concerned when patterns are not seen.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        From the article you pulled your figure from: “The number of 2-inch extreme precipitation events is highly variable but exhibits a long-term upward trend. The 2015–2020 period surpassed the 1995–1999 record.”

  3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “There is no evidence in the data that Virginia has experienced significant climate change” https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/80af83deea36cf955b731410a54fc8b10c4efcd5199f0cf9020a9f551cc2acb2.jpg

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      And I didn’t disagree there has been a gradual and minimal rise in temperature. I kinda mentioned that first. So what? Is it CO2, the urban heat island effect on thermometers, or just natural fluctuation? Mainly the average is higher because the daily lows are higher, which does point to UHI.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Okay, which is it? It can’t be a hoax if it’s there.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Okay, which is it? It can’t be a hoax if it’s there.

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          So if the temp is up 1 degree, all the claims of pending doom are correct? Got it.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Maybe, maybe not, but it isn’t a hoax. Your position was that it’s not warming.

  4. Matt Adams Avatar

    Ah the only time a Government entity wants to do their job is when it impacts the someone stuffing money in their pockets. The GA has no interest in repealing the VCEA, if the SCC were regain autonomy it wouldn’t benefit Dominion and therefore it wouldn’t benefit those who’s pockets they were stuffing.

    The idea that we the people gave consent to be Governed, means those who were vested with that power should put the welfare of that state ahead of their own ambitions.

  5. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I don’t agree that citizens, on principle, should turn over the decisions of how energy should be generated to an unelected body (I thought Republicans were distrustful of bureaucracies). I do agree that, if a company is given monopoly authority to produce energy, the cost to consumers of that energy should be regulated by the SCC. The General Assembly is not equipped to perform such functions and the legislature should not handcuff the SCC from performing this function.

    I agree more competition is needed and that the nuclear plants should stay operational and more built.

    As for your comments on climate change, I reserve my right to comment at a late date.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      You prefer to trust politicians who accept campaign contributions and meet ex parte with lobbyists? The public service commissions were some of the best results from the progressive era, as in when Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        It seems that campaign contributions are anathema, no matter from whom they come. If one accepts contributions from Dominion, then one is accused as being bought by Dominion. If one refuses contributions from Dominion and accepts contributions from Clean Virginia, then he is accused of being a puppet of the environmentalists. Maybe we should have publicly funded campaigns with caps on expenditures. Oh, wait! The Supreme Court nixed that. What is a candidate who does not have his deep pockets do? But I digress, sorry. I don’t want to start a thread of campaign finance.

        1. DJRippert Avatar

          Maybe we should join the 46 other states that have campaign contribution caps.

          Dominion is particularly egregious. A regulated monopoly that pours money into the pockets of those who establish the regulations?

          Who came up with that idea, Hunter Biden?

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      You prefer to trust politicians who accept campaign contributions and meet ex parte with lobbyists? The public service commissions were some of the best results from the progressive era, as in when Teddy Roosevelt was a progressive.

  6. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Visited Jamestown for the first time some years ago, what struck me was the severe drought they had 1606 – 1612 which made the site uninhabitable due to lack of fresh water. Imagine if that happened today it would be taken as proof of Armageddon.

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Steve, I commend you for setting forth a well-thought-out set of principles on energy. However, you seem to be whistling in the wind as far as your fellow Republicans are concerned.

    I admit that I have not paid a lot of attention to the election noise. But I do seem to be on the mailing list for “Team Youngkin”. I have yet to see any discussion of energy issues on those mailings. The most common dialog on issues goes something like this:

    Democrat: The Republicans are lying! They want to prohibit all abortions!

    Republican: The Democrats are lying! They want to allow abortion up to birth!

    Add that to the fact that the Republican majority leader is a staunch ally of Dominion. And the Governor has pretty much signed off on Dominion’s proposals.

    One piece of good news: We will continue to have a working quorum on the SCC. https://richmond.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/former-judge-jimmy-dimitri-returns-to-depleted-scc-as-substitute/article_a2309e22-5d6f-11ee-923b-9ff470563043.html

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      I prefer it that way myself. The GA should occupy itself with the burning philosophical question without answers, and not, oh say, try to build solid rocket boosters for the Shuttle. True, the design had a fatal flaw, but it was the equivalent of an “elected official” that said, “One in 50 chance of an SRB failure? Yeah, but with two SRBs means that it’s a 1-in-2500. We’re golden.”

      “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.” — Upton Sinclair

      Good thing we don’t know anyone in that category.

    2. You are right about Republican leaders. They almost always disappoint us.

      But Democrat leaders of late come through – with unconstitutional power grabs and tyranny on the American people. We saw that with COVID-19, and it’s starting again with Climate Change.

      President Joe Biden said he has already “practically” declared a climate emergency. But he has yet to actually make a declaration, which would give him a host of new powers to combat climate change as the country faces record-breaking heat and more frequent and intense floods, droughts and wildfires.

      When pressed about whether he has actually declared an emergency, Biden responded, “Practically speaking, yes.”

      However, no such declaration has come from the White House. Experts say Biden could invoke the 1976 National Emergencies Act to give himself the power to order the manufacture of clean energy technology, deploy renewables on military bases, block crude oil exports or even suspend offshore drilling — though that would require compensation to the owners.

      https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/09/biden-climate-emergency-00110486

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Wait?! Power grabs? Democrats? Biden? Yeah, I suppose winning an election is a form of power grab.

        Autogolpes, wouldn’t that qualify too?

        1. I’m pretty sure Nathan was referring to post-election power grabs.

          An example being Joe Biden’s BATFE continually trying to change the laws of the United States without input from congress.

          And it’s only peripherally related to the second amendment issue. The primary issue at hand is whether a federal agency has power to expand definitions in the laws adopted by Congress

          They’ve been slapped down in federal court a couple of times this year.

          1. Correct.

            My comment above is important because there’s little point in debating what should be done at the state level, if the Federal Government is going to declare a national emergency and take control.

            The Democrats have shown us their thinking. If they are successful in 2014, they will declare a national emergency and mandate what will be done with respect to climate change.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Jan 6 certainly was post election. And, courts haven’t been kind to the J6 crowd either.

            But Biden’s days in office are being overshadowed by his impending impeachment. Rep. Jason Smith (R MO) presented the most damning evidence to date (snicker) as he gave convincing (snort, chortle) proof that on August 6, 2017 Biden was selling his influence as VP, uh, wait, wait, as a candidate, uh,… well, it’s some kinda evidence.

            Saw Mike Pence in the debates. Somebody please tell him some dirty jokes and let him read the ladies side of a laundry list. That’s a serious case of repression he has going.

          3. Laugh now while you can. As congress digs into the bank accounts and emails of the Bribem crime family the schadenfreude may be on the other foot.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Well, it’s been nearly 3 years of laughter beginning on the first day and Empty-G’s motion to impeach. My side is really beginning to hurt.

          5. We’ll see how good the analgesic is when what goes around comes around. Hope it does well for your pain, but the parallels between the Bribems and Menendez do not augur well.

          6. We’ll see how good the analgesic is when what goes around comes around. Hope it does well for your pain, but the parallels between the Bribems and Menendez do not augur well.

          7. Correct.

            My comment above is important because there’s little point in debating what should be done at the state level, if the Federal Government is going to declare a national emergency and take control.

            The Democrats have shown us their thinking. If they are successful in 2014, they will declare a national emergency and mandate what will be done with respect to climate change.

          8. It looks like an area the SC is paying increasing attention to. Less deference to administrative rule making and more requirement to show a relationship to the enabling legislation. Seems like a force for good to me.

  8. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Steve, I commend you for setting forth a well-thought-out set of principles on energy. However, you seem to be whistling in the wind as far as your fellow Republicans are concerned.

    I admit that I have not paid a lot of attention to the election noise. But I do seem to be on the mailing list for “Team Youngkin”. I have yet to see any discussion of energy issues on those mailings. The most common dialog on issues goes something like this:

    Democrat: The Republicans are lying! They want to prohibit all abortions!

    Republican: The Democrats are lying! They want to allow abortion up to birth!

    Add that to the fact that the Republican majority leader is a staunch ally of Dominion. And the Governor has pretty much signed off on Dominion’s proposals.

    One piece of good news: We will continue to have a working quorum on the SCC. https://richmond.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/former-judge-jimmy-dimitri-returns-to-depleted-scc-as-substitute/article_a2309e22-5d6f-11ee-923b-9ff470563043.html

  9. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Steve, I commend you for setting forth a well-thought-out set of principles on energy. However, you seem to be whistling in the wind as far as your fellow Republicans are concerned.

    I admit that I have not paid a lot of attention to the election noise. But I do seem to be on the mailing list for “Team Youngkin”. I have yet to see any discussion of energy issues on those mailings. The most common dialog on issues goes something like this:

    Democrat: The Republicans are lying! They want to prohibit all abortions!

    Republican: The Democrats are lying! They want to allow abortion up to birth!

    Add that to the fact that the Republican majority leader is a staunch ally of Dominion. And the Governor has pretty much signed off on Dominion’s proposals.

    One piece of good news: We will continue to have a working quorum on the SCC. https://richmond.com/news/state-regional/government-politics/former-judge-jimmy-dimitri-returns-to-depleted-scc-as-substitute/article_a2309e22-5d6f-11ee-923b-9ff470563043.html

  10. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Virginia/Area. 42,775 mi²
    Earth/Surface area. 196.9 million mi²

  11. Ok, so I accept the graphs, and that Virginia doesn’t have trends toward hotter and wetter, and that Tidewater sinking is a bigger factor than rising seas. But I can also see macro changes like ice melting at both poles. That to me is pretty convincing evidence that the world is getting warmer, and as ice melts, wetter. Same with CO2 levels, they are measurably rising, but how many PPM causes real problems is not so clear.

    Reductions in emissions and cleaner generation seem clearly warranted. The specifics we have embraced seem not to be, especially the mad rush to electric vehicles whose issues are exacerbated when it is either too hot or two cold. Electric vehicles mandated that perform poorly in weather extremes that are getting more prevalent, what could go wrong? Dependence on intermittent renewable generation without storage is madness.

    Locally, chaining Virginia to California vehicle laws was stupid and clearly needs to go. I’m also a fan of nuclear, it is a preferable form of clean generation until the storage issues of renewable get figured out. Continuing substitution of gas for coal is sound too, but I’d argue against export.

    Thx for a pretty solid set of recommendations for the state.

    1. DJRippert Avatar

      Well stated. The world is warming and human activities more than likely contribute to some of that warming.

      Beyond that, burning fossil fuels creates more problems than just additional CO2. Lots of other nasty stuff being emitted.

      Clean energy is the right direction but randomly picking various dates for the cutover to clean energy is economically illiterate.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Did they say Virginia is not warming up? they only said the daily max temps are not going higher here.

      Does seem like (taking this summer as a data point) we were definitely sheltered by the Jet stream from the hot summer elsewhere. This summer was a good one in my book.

      1. Also indicated that what increase there was came from increased low temperatures, and those likely come from urban heat islands that don’t cool down as much as night.

        For me melting ice at the poles is diagnostic of global warming. If that is happening then Virginia is likely to be part of that.

  12. DJRippert Avatar

    “The State Corporation Commission is projecting that Dominion’s residential price will rise more than 80% by 2035, compared to the cost before VCEA passed.”

    Why isn’t this point “front and center” for every Republican candidate running for office in Virginia this Fall?

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Dick is correct about who I am trying to persuade. 🙂

  13. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    Just like at academia and forcing it to return to its educational mission, D needs to return to its business mission – providing reasonably priced, consistent, reliable electricity to its customers, and thereby generating a return for the investors.
    I would like to present some shareholder proposals (I have a lot of shares and a big loss – thanks D management and crazed Gaia worshipers!) and would meet the ownership requirements to present them.
    Here’s what I am thinking
    1. Develop nuclear and drop the windmills and solar craze.
    2. Drop the ESG virtue signaling – particularly the page in the annual report bragging about something like hiring 57% POC, which would be proof in the former world of “disparate impact” discrimination. All the other ESG stuff is just rebranded Leftism. The thrust would be to get back to fiduciary duty to SHAREHOLDERS – not stakeholders – Commie speak for let us be in control to destroy your company and the economy.
    3. Some kind of management requirement of real engineering types with knowledge of the electric generation and distribution business being CEO and COO. Not political flunkies…

    Any others? I welcome any form proposals on these types of issues.

  14. Randy Huffman Avatar
    Randy Huffman

    Good set of recommendations and thoughts. While I worked in the fossil fuels industry for a long time, I have always had a “all of the above” mindset. After-all, coal and oil/gas do have a finite life.

    But what I see in these Biden and California mandates is stupid. I came across this article that talked about a battery plant in Kansas that will require a coal plant to stay open due to the large energy usage needs. Now, perhaps over time this still makes energy sense, I have no idea. Certainly large scale batteries can make a positive difference in storing power generated by solar during the day (I separately read batteries helped in Texas as its still hot when the sun goes down). But it points to stupid mandates sometimes having unintended consequences. I hope Youngkin is successful in his efforts to roll back some of these mandates that passed several years ago.

    https://cowboystatedaily.com/2023/09/22/ev-battery-factory-will-require-so-much-energy-it-needs-a-coal-plant-to-power-it/

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      “All of the above” is just a campaign slogan, vague, like “net zero.” The truth is they are not all equal in value, cost or utility and designing a reliable low cost system won’t include “all.” But they are afraid to just breathe deep and say, we love CO2!

      1. Randy Huffman Avatar
        Randy Huffman

        Sure its a slogan, but my personal view is we need to embrace and pursue all kinds of SENSIBLE and cost effective power generation alternatives (I do not think offshore wind is sensible or cost effective, but we will see). I put solar on my house and one of my cars is a hybrid, but just bought a gas powered SUV because I liked it better than all the rest. I would never buy an EV, but have no issue with friends that do. There are two extremes of slogan-thought out there which I dislike, “Net Zero” which I do not believe is ever truly net zero when all the manufacturing and installation factors are evaluated such as addressed in the article above, but also “Drill Baby Drill”.

        I very much like your research and in depth analysis.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      Correct there was always the need to find alternate energy in hopes of having energy supplies of some kind for future generations. There was also always the need to be concerned ab0ut the environment since gov’t and industry often are not concerned about that.

      Just yesterday DC saying they might someday stop putting raw sewage in the Anacostia River during storms. How long have we known how bad that is? 50 years?

  15. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Two or three new energy areas where Virginia is seemingly showing no interest (but some of our neighbors are) is Hydrogen and Carbon Sequestration and Biofuels.

    We do not know the future but conceivably H2 takes importance for trucks eg on I81. NC and others are looking into. With MVP looking like it may go ahead now, ?, which has not been covered here on BR, there is potential supply for H2,

    At this point I am not aware of any carbon sequestration plans for East Coast because we do not have quite as easy injection geology as Gulf coast. But I am not sure. There are other options such as sales of food grade CO2 that perhaps could be a niche market if we go for it. Alternatively other ideas are use of CO2 for methanol manufacture for example where it can be a co-feed with natural gas. Methanol is one route for conventional biodiesel and gasoline and chemicals.

    I am not a huge fan of veggie oils to bio-diesel and bio-jet but I have to realize that liberals see that as a panacea, even though it may be bad for the environment overall. Sometimes if you can’t beat ’em, join ’em.

    1. William Chambliss Avatar
      William Chambliss

      The new gas turbines Dominion introduced in this year’s Integrated Resource Plan are intended to be capable of running on hydrogen after 2045. There are a few small biomass-fired electric generating plants in VA. The SCC had a proposal from Appalachian Power many years ago to have one of its coal plants in West Virginia retrofitted with carbon capture and sequestration equipment. The Commission did not approve cost recovery, because AEP, Apco’s parent company, did not propose to spread the costs of that installation among all its companies that used power from it, but intended to collect all the costs from VA and WVA. CCS has always been too costly to implement at a large scale.

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        Thank you William…I wonder what ApCo was planning to do with the recovered CO2? CCS for coal fired is problematic, but when you start talking H2 manufacture, you make less CO2 and it is high quality, so you could have better options. Of course we could also talk about coal gasification as better technology for the future, if we could ever get liberals off of their extremism. If we are willing to pay extreme high cost for nukes and offshore wind, there are many other costly solutions too.

        1. William Chambliss Avatar
          William Chambliss

          Since the CCS plant was being built in WVA, I don’t believe the Commission got any of the details as to the sequestration part. I remember hearing a presentation during roughly that same time frame from a prof at VaTech that painted a rosy picture for deep CO2 storage in abandoned mines in the coalfield area of VA.

  16. To anyone who thinks Virginia CO2 emissions will have any measureable impact whatsoever on world CO2 levels, and therefore climate change:

    -The U.S. share of global carbon dioxide emissions is 13.5%.

    -Virginia’s share of U.S. carbon dioxide emissions is 2%

    -Virginia’s share of global carbon dioxide emissions is therefore .148%

    No matter what leaders may say, fossil fuels have enabled mankind to rise above starvation or subsistence and aren’t going away any time soon. If you think they are causing climate change, then brace yourself.

  17. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Radiational cooling.

    Your graphs and those of The Troll exhibit a lot of what is called 2-Delta energy. You should read an article or two on the appearance of high frequency noise in sampled data.

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      Proving there are many stupid people in the US. This chart shows an overall total of 22% with brains. 77% subject to acceptance of non-stop propaganda

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