Prince William, Meet Swan Quarter

One of my favorite flyspecks is the Tideland town of Swan Quarter, N.C., a tiny burg off the undulating marshes of Pamlico Sound. Years ago, I used to occasionally report from Swan Quarter for a small daily newspaper about an hour’s drive to the west. My late Dad, a urologist, got a fair number of patients from Swan Quarter, named for the thousands of migratory waterfowl that used to haunt its waters in winter.

So, I couldn’t help but note that The Virginian-Pilot had a story concerning Swan Quarter on April 20. Mattamuskeet Seafood, the story reports, had planned to open for crab processing season last week, but it couldn’t find any workers. Usually it gets 100 workers in season who commute up from Mexico for several months each year to do the smelly, dirty work of picking crabs. But not now.

The problem is on Capitol Hill where Congress hasn’t yet renewed a visa program allowing 66,000 non-farm, temporary workers into the U.S. each year. Thousands of foreign crab pickers and other workers are short in towns such as Vandemere and Columbia in Coastal Carolina. Frustrated employers have driven to Washington, D.C. to plead their case, according to the Pilot.

What’s interesting is that these workers, many from Mexico, are not the hated suspects often caricatured by Virginia’s Republican Party and others. These Latinos are not seen as messy, loud, unruly threats to national security as they seem to be in places such as Prince William, Loudoun and other wealthy counties in Virginia that are banding together to stem what is perceived as a flood of fearsome barbarians.

Just the opposite. In Columbia, N.C., a quaint spot just off the Albemarle Sound, Tara Foreman, general manager of Captain Neill’s Seafood, misses her 75 Mexican workers. She told the Pilot that some of the ladies have worked for her for 18 years. They became so close that when Foreman was engaged to be married, the Mexicans threw a shower for her and attended the wedding.

Zip up the coast a bit to Prince William County in Washington’s Virginia suburbs. On Sunday, The Washington Post had a story on its Metro section exploring just how controversial Supervisor Chairman Corey A. Stewart is becoming. Playing to middle and upper-middle class white fears of “illegal” immigrants, the Republican pushed a series of anti illegal immigrant measures. Stewart wants cops to check the immigration status of any foreigner (read: dark-skinned), they stop. The county must not provide any services to undocumented workers.

According to the Post, Stewart drew big fire when he scolded a police chief for having the audacity to meet with a consul from the Mexican Embassy. In most of the world, visits between foreign diplomats from friendly countries and local officials are considered a normal part of life. You get to exchange ideas. But in Prince William, it’s like meeting with a foreign spy.

Stewart’s antics are prompting some local activists and politicians to urge him to get off his illegal immigration kick. It seems to be dampening the county’s reputation as it looks for new businesses and residents.

Maybe the explanation is that Prince William is rich and mostly white and fearful — in other words, GOP country. Little places like Swan Quarter and Columbia are made up of several races and have among the lowest per capita incomes of any localities in North Carolina. Poor though they may be, the folks there have a sense of humility and humanity that is rare these days. They have something to teach Virginia’s well-to-do suburbanites.


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  1. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Swan Quarter is one of my favorite places, too, although it is so small it’s hard to call a place.

    Spent all morning in a crab shack there once peeling crabs and gabbing with the ladies, and swapping gringo jokes. It was a riot. They peel crabs a lot faster than I do.

    I never felt as if they were a threat.

    RH

  2. floodguy Avatar

    Its too bad you published your views while having read only one article by the WaPo to paint your picture of the immigration matter here in Prince William County. Its quite wrong and many anti-reform opponents wish it were that easy.

    In a mere 30 days after its enactment, opponents were already complaining about what the resolution had done, without any regards what the housing construction collapse, foreclosure problems and the stalling economy has already done in this county. Apparently, you have caught this bug yourself.

    Those vocal opponents only took advantage of the fact Stewart had put his foot into his mouth, as if it was some sort of queque prompting them to seize upon, as if they believed, since the statement about the chief was wrong, therefore the resolution is wrong.

    And then you make the same b.s. line that every other anti-reform opponents has stated –

    “Stewart wants cops to check the immigration status of any foreigner (read: dark-skinned), they stop. The county must not provide any services to undocumented workers.”

    This issue has been around for a while, so I’m going to assume that you are familar with it, and therefore its your boldface lie to make such a “mistatement”, when in fact the police officier will only inquire about one’s immigration status if they feel there is reason to do so, but only after the subject person is detained in a crime. There’s no profiling, no driving down the road and pulling over “brown-skins” for the heck of it. There’s no midnight hour house raids by county police.

    The problem with immigration policy in this country is, the nation’s industry lobbyists have bought our politicans on both sides of the ailse. Perhaps the crab picking associations in NC needs to pony up on Capitol Hill to get what they want.

    Why don’t you read the views of the other sides before another misfire.

    Here are two fresh articles to balance your slant.

    WaPo April 21st

    DC Examier April 21st

  3. Brian L. Avatar

    Not trying to be a contrarian here, Gooze, but could it be possible that there’s a slight difference between hosting around 100 documented migrant workers in an area, and hosting the (estimated) tens of thousands of undocumented migrants in PWC?

    Especially considering that the “undocumented” (i.e., not subject to any sort of screening upon entry) population in PWC would include a large number (more than 100, no doubt) of gang members and other “less desirable” immigrants?

    Again, I’m not trying to be contrarian here – I’m just not sure that your comparison between the two places—one tightly controlled, one approaching anarchic—is really all that relevant. 🙂

    Respectfully,
    Brian

  4. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Brian,
    I agree that Hyde County, N.C. has probably more cottonmouth snakes than human beings.
    But where do you get your figures that there are tens of thousands of undocumented or “illegal” workers in PWC? Whose figures are you using? Do you have a firm figure? Every time I start looking at county figures in this state, they seem to start withering away. And, I’d be interesting in knowing how the violent Hispanic gangs really play out in PWC> ANy figures?

    The problem witht his debate is that the figure sare so funny. If you listen to Lou Dobbs every night, you get brain dead.

    Thanks.
    Gooze

  5. James Atticus Bowden Avatar
    James Atticus Bowden

    Brian I captured the essence of the argument. The difference is between legal immigrant workers (temporary in this case) and illegal immigrants.

    It has nothing to do with race. Nice red herring, which is becoming too predictable to carry much sting at all.

    Also, one might ask the crab folks two questions.
    1. Why don’t you raise the wages you pay and see what labor you get?
    2. Since there is likely to a be a ban or severe limits on crabbing from the Bay (or do all these crabs come from the Sounds in NC?), won’t there be less crab to pick – and you need fewer workers?

  6. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    James Atticus Bowden,
    It seems you are going back to the well-worn excuse of “what is it about “illegal” you don’t understand?
    You also question the economics of the crab industry.
    I am familiar with the folks in Eastern N.C. although I can’t claim to be an immediate expert on crab harvesting or prices at this exact moment. Give me a few days and I’ll get down and report about it.
    I was trying to get at another point which you obviously missed. If you are, as your earlier posts stated, a religious man who is understanding, why don’t you understand this? I am talking about acceptance and tolerance. I tend to find it more in N.C. but not as much in the Old Dominion. Why is that? But then, I don’t claim to be a “Virginian” as you do.

    Peter Galuszka

  7. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    All politics is local.

    That being said, your post fails to address the reasons why Mr. Stewart feels the way does towards illegal immigrants. IMO, there is much more to it then simply, “Playing to middle and upper-middle class white fears…”

    If you want to see first-hand what I am talking about, I would suggest that you take a stroll through one of your local public schools.

    The new foreign language in many public schools isn’t Spanish, French, or Latin….it’s English!

    It costs more to educate ESL students and that increased cost is paid by property owners in a locality in the form of higher property taxes….mine have gone up three times in three years.

    Our country’s immigration policy, or lack there of, is a complete failure on many levels. It’s a pass-the-buck mentality that starts with the Feds and works it’s way down to City Hall.

    Mr. Stewart, however, only has one place to pass the buck and that’s on to the property owners in PW County. And, quite frankly, people are tapped-out.

    Give ’em Hell, Mr. Stewart.

    Suggested reading:

    http://tinyurl.com/hbuao

  8. James Atticus Bowden Avatar
    James Atticus Bowden

    PG: We aren’t communicating. And maybe we can’t. The issue isn’t acceptance and tolerance. (I wrote a piece sometime ago about how unlikely it was that all illegals would be thrown out of the country because of the Christian influence on politics)

    The issue is about legal and illegals. You stated the old saw correctly. Il-legal.

    If you think ‘tarheels’ like illegals better, or are more tolerant or however one would characterize accepting etc., than ‘cavaliers’ or ‘mountaineers’ or ‘free staters’ or ‘volunteers’, that is interesting. If it is more than just anecdotal, that would be more interesting.

    Finally, I don’t profess to be as much as to know when I write. You can always find fault with what I present as knowledge, like things Virginian, but I wouldn’t presume too much on what I am from your behalf, since we’ve never met. I presume nothing about you, except that since you grew up in PG County when I was in Arlington, you probably listened to 1590 AM (WPGC) for the best rock and roll radio.

  9. Groveton Avatar

    Peter:

    Good column. As you correctly note, the facts are few and far between on this topic. But, then again, the facts are few and far between on most topics in Virginia.

    Here’s the best analysis I have seen:

    http://www.thecommonwealthinstitute.org/pages/immtaxcontribution.pdf

    Even this report has to rely on the Pew Hispanic Center for an estimate of undocumented migrants in Virginia. They estimate 250,000 – 300,000. I have Prince William County with a populationm of about 400,000 in a state with a population of about 7,000,000. So, PWC has 5.7% of Virginia’s population. Using 5.7% of 300,000 illegal aliens, I get 17,100 undocumented workers in PWC. This, of course, assumes an even distribution of illegal aliens across Virginia which is certainly not true. Areas of high growth with lots of construction probably get more than an even share of undocumented migrants.

    Let’s see if we can distribute the numbers properly. Here is a good article on Hispanic population in Virginia:

    http://hamptonroads.com/2008/02/states-hispanic-population-nearly-triples-1990-0

    And here is a key paragraph:

    Ten cities and counties in Virginia have populations that are at least 10 percent Hispanic. Nearly all of them are in Northern Virginia. The largest, by percentage of Hispanic residents, are Manassas Park (30 percent), Manassas (27 percent), Prince William County (19 percent) and Arlington County (16 percent).

    OK, OK – I know I am mixing up the statistics here. Not all hispanics are illegal immigrants and not all illegal immigrants are hispanic. The Pew Center, in 2006, estimated that 39.9% of hispanics living in the United States were foreign born. Of course, these people could be documented migrants, undocumented migrants or US citizens (naturalized). Also from Pew:

    “About a quarter of Hispanic adults are unauthorized immigrants, most of them arriving as part of a heavy wave of immigration that began gathering force in the 1970s.”.

    Let’s crunch some (admittedly squishy numbers):

    Population of PWC: 400,000
    Percent hispanic in PWC: 19%
    Number of hispanics in PWC: 76,000
    Percent of illegal hispanics (US): 25%
    Number of illegal hispanics in PWC: 19,000

    Of course, there are other groups of illegal immigrants – Jamacian, Indian, Russian, Irish, African, Asian.

    So, a total illegal alien count for Prince William County of 25,000 seems reasonable.

    Again, from the Pew Center:

    “The Pew Hispanic Center’s report revealed that the undocumented are considerably more likely
    to work in lower wage and lower education occupations than the naturalized and native
    populations.”.

    So, we have about 6.25% of the population of Prince William County comprised of relatively poor / uneducated undocumented migrants. Again, the distribution in Prince William County is uneven with places like Manassas Park potentially having twice the density of undocumented migrants as the rest of PWC.

    Is this a problem?

    In some ways it is:

    1. Undocumented migrants holding jobs requiring little education increase the supply of people performing those jobs. This retards the growth of wages in these vocations. In fact, if low-wage legal immigration + low-wage illegal immigration + productivity increases > demand for these jobs, real wages will fall for everyone. Including the native born Americans at the bottom of the ecomomic food chain. The broad based immigration of low-skilled workers helps keep American born poor in the poorhouse. This is part of the appalling “wealth gap” evidenced over the last few decades. Without the influx of the low-wage immigrants the supply of people in these jobs would have been lower and the wages would have gone up. At some price even the dirtiest jobs become attractive. Therefore, I find it challenging to say that legal / illegal immigrants will do the jobs Americans won’t take. A much better statement would be that legal / illegal immigrants flooding low wage markets create prices for undersireable jobs that Americans will not accept.

    2. Virginia’s right to work laws prevent effective organizing by the illegal aliens / legal aliens / US citizens in low wage jobs. They cannot use collective bargaining to raise wages and benefits.

    3. English As A Second Language is very expensive. The question of ESOL costs is, by far, the best argument made in the immigration debate. This has nothing to do with the quality of the teachers. It has nothing to do with the NEA. It is a simple fact that children who speak English as a second language cost vastly more to educate than children who are native English speakers. It is not a moral judgement about the children or their parents. It is just a fact. And in a world where real estate values are plummeting and real estate taxes are follwing suit – can we really afford to spend a fortune on ESOL education?

    4. Illegal immigration represents a required unfunded mandate from the federal government to the local government. Illegals pay taxes, they pay social security which they will never see. However, the vast proportion of these tax receipts go to the federal government. Meanwhile, the vast proportion of the costs of supporting illegal aliens is bourne by local authorities. This has the effect of making the total economics of illigeal aliens look tolerable with the federal ledger being fine while the local ledger is bankrupt.

  10. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Groveton,
    Your estimates may well be correct. But, realistically, are even 25,000 so much to launch large crackdowns. Isn’t that federal ICE’s job at the border or airports? Agree there are language costs. But why create an environment of denunciation because some official meets with a Mexican diplomat? It could be that the diplomat wants to report back to his foreign ministry what is going on in the U.S. involving Mexicans so negotiations can find a solution?

    J.A. Bowden. No, I never have lived in PG County or listened to the radio station you suggest. My association with DC is more Maryland, namely Montgomery Cty where I did listen to WINX action radio, the mighty 160 in Rockville Maryland. When I was little, my Dad was a Navy officer at the NNMC. I went back to school there later.
    Of course I write as if I know everything. Don’t you? It’s called commentary. When I tried writing them at a large national magazine and if they failed the mark, a mean editor would throw them back in my face and say, “so where’s the GD comment?”

    As far as North Carolina, it is very true that it is a “vale of humility between two mountains of conceit.” No question about it.

    Peter Galuszka

  11. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Just how expensive is ESOL? Fairfax County Public Schools projects an additional cost of $3683 per student (2008-09). Projected ESOL membership is projected to be 22,045 students for the same period. The total projected cost to operate ESOL programs is thus $81,191.735.

    Each penny of real estate tax raises about $22.8 million in Fairfax County, according to the County’s budget documents. Thus, it costs taxpayers the equivalent of 3.56 cents. The Board of Supervisors is considering a tax rate increase of 3 cents, which is pretty darn close to the cost of running ESOL programs.

    Not every ESOL student is the child of illegal immigrants, but many of them are. There is a real cost to illegal immigration. Higher real estate taxes, for example.

    Moreover, let’s assume that the Supervisors raised the tax rate anyway. The money that goes to fund ESOL costs for children of illegal immigrants could be used to fund other county and school programs. Class size is being increased in Fairfax County. But for illegal immigration costs, could the class size increase be avoided or reduced?

    Similarly, Fairfax County is proposing not to fund growth in after school child care; needed maintenance for county facilities; additional public safety positions; etc., etc., etc. But for illegal immigration costs, could some of these other needs be funded?

    I hold a moderate position on immigration and would not oppose a sensible guest worker program, but illegal immigration hurts existing residents, be they native or foreign born. Illegal immigration drives down wages, especially at the bottom of the economic ladder. Illegal immigration permits businesses to exploit the illegal immigrants. Illegal immigration allows repression of poor people in places such as Mexico. Illegal immigration needs to be stopped.

    TMT

  12. Groveton Avatar

    Peter:

    The rhetoric is often “over the top”. In many cases I have read comments that were downright racist. I know the “R” word gets thrown around a lot but there are some people who just don’t like the idea of hispanics living in their neighborhoods – native born, legal immigrant or illegal immigrant. There are also those who genuinely believe that the level of immigration must be managed for the good of the United States. I am one of these people. I believe that the US has an ability to effectively absorb a steady stream of immigrants. I think it is in our best national interests to do so. However, I believe that the immigrants should be compelled to follow US law when immigrating. I also believe we have the right to open more immigration slots to people with skills we need and the education to become an economic success in our society. Right now, we are allowing too fast a rate of immigration through both legal and illegal means.

    Control of immigration is definitely a federal responsibility. It is well defined in the US Constitution. However, the federal government has observably failed to enforce the laws presently on the books. So, alternate enforcement means are being used. When the FBI could not catch Al Capone the IRS did. State and local governments are enforcing the law in lieu of the federal government. Given the varying approaches being used I’d predict that some are unconstitutional and the differences themselves may violate the equal protection clause. Expect to see this issue in the US Supreme Court and expect the localities to be substantially handcuffed (pun intended).

    The “uproar” of Chief Deane meeting with the Mexican diplomat was ridiculous. If Americans were suddenly subject to a new set of laws in, say, London we’d expect out foriegn office to understand those laws and meet with the British law enforcement officials. That is all that happened here.

    Gang violence in NoVA was unknown before the advent of MS-13, a Latino gang. I think gang violence is still relatively low in NoVA but it is almost all Latin gangs. If the Crips and Bloods had been operating here for years (as in some places) nobody would be blaming immigrants for gangs.

    Bottom line – 1. Broad immigration of realtively poor and uneducated people keep poor Americans poor. 2. The US, for legitimate national security reasons, should make every effort to know what foriegn persons are in the US (from anywhere) at all times. 3. The cost of educating those who must be taught English is high. If the federal government thinks allowing people into the country whose children must be educated with ESOL then the federal government should supply the funds to those localities who accept the immigrant population.

    All the emotion on this issue is, in my opinion, hyperbole. The US has always been a haven for immigrants. The only question is whether we are moving at the right speed and whether we are operating the process in a competent manner. I think we are presently moving too fast and I think the federal process is broken (both in absurdly hindering those trying to migrate legally and by allowing widespread illegal immigration).

    I have no problem with the concept of providing broad based amnesty so long as the future influx is slowed and properly controlled.

  13. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Its Earth Day, folks.

    Immigration and racism debate aside, is this good news for crabs?

    Need I remind you that the Chesapeake Bay may lose blue crabs forever?

    Is this plant part of sustainable seafood culture or not?

  14. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Most temporary or seasonal guest worker programs have very specific rules that both sides have to play by, often including housing provisions, guaranteed length of work, travel allowances, hours and wages, etc. It would not surprise me if Swan Quarter has housing set up especially for these workers which is used seasonally. Often these seasonal workers have come back year after year and have a decent relationship with both the employer and the community. Since their time is temporary, they usually leave the children back home so there is not nearly as much impact on local schools.

    Like TMT, I don’t object to well-run guest worker programs as long as both local workers’ and the guest workers’ rights and general good, as well as the community at large, are protected.

    The situation in PWC is totally different. The employers have no responsibilities toward these workers other than general rules such as minimum wage and OSHA, but the workers are not likely to complain if even these rules/laws don’t get enforced. The workers just show up and may have a job when they arrive or may not. When they get a job, it may last for 3 hours, 3 days, 3 months, or 3 years. The employer leaves housing, health care, etc up to the individual workers and usually makes sure to live well away from the areas they congregate in. What the employers are doing is transferring these costs – both financial and social – onto the community at large; and these costs can be astronomical. Since they could be here for years, many of these workers either bring family or start families here.

    As I have pointed out before, these workers may be paid a lot more than they would have been in their 3rd world country but they are usually not paid anywhere near enough to live even a meager 1st world life, especially in an area like NoVA which is extremely expensive.

    Comparing the situation in Swan Quarters to the situation in PWC is like comparing a square dance to a riot.

    Deena Flinchum

  15. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Deena,
    Your “square dance” vs a “riot” analogy is striking, but a bit over the top, I think.

    You immigration hawks sure can’t stand it when someone puts a human face on the issue. Kinda steals your magic.

    Peter Galuszka

  16. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Peter,

    This immigration hawk – I like the term! – likes a “human interest” story as well as the next person; but I believe that such stories aren’t a replacement for cold-hearted facts when making policy decisions. That’s why I prefer the Center for Immigration Studies’s backgrounders with their numerous footnotes to the MSM’s “human interest” stories.

    As “human interest” stories go, however, I’ve noticed that most MSM stories tend not to be about the average far-from-rich Joe & Jane Citizen who have had their neighborhoods, their kids’ schools, and their lives in general turned upside down by the federal government’s refusal to enforce the law regarding illegal immigration. I was quite happy to see the WaPo print such a story recently as mentioned by floodguy earlier.

    Deena Flinchum

  17. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Deena,
    I saw the Post story you reference and thought it was racist as hell. I thought I was in a time warp — back in the late 1950s — just change the brown faces to blacks ones.

    Peter

  18. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Peter,

    I’ve followed this issue for years – came at it initially as an environmentalist who couldn’t figure out why a first world country – third largest in population in the world, BTW – that had reached ZPG status was growing like Nigeria. I’ve spend years reading both sides of the issue and FWIW supported the 1986 amnesty.

    It’s been my observation that most people who throw racist, xenophobe, bigot, etc around tend to be people who manage to live in neighborhoods not affected by massive illegal immigration, with their children – if they have any – often in either private school or in public schools nicely protected by the high housing costs surrounding them. Naturally they are in jobs not affected by the “surge” in low skilled workers and may even profit from them via lower costs for low skilled work, such as lawn care.

    Mark Twain had a saying that went something like this: “Any man can stand adversity. Another man’s, I mean.” It’s very easy to call these PWC folks racists when you don’t have to deal with what they have been dealing with for years. I think they have been remarkably restrained. I’m sure they would have moved to Great Falls or Mclean or even Montgomery County MD if they could have afforded it and saved themselves the grief.

    Deena Flinchum

  19. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Deena,
    I am not calling everyone in PWC or you a racist but I’ve heard that old saw about using the racist word.
    Hey, I’m using it and I am not apologizing. The Post story reminded me of when I was a boy back in the late 1950s in suburban DC when my friend’s dads in my entirely White subdivision were oh so worried that civil rights would mean Negroes could buy homes next to them and their property values would drop. This was back in the days when Virginia was undergoing Massive Resistance and just over on my side of the Potomac, Glenn Echo amusement park did not welcome blacks.

    I stand by my opinion.

    Peter

  20. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Peter,

    I suspect I’m older than you (61) and remember those very, very bad days as well. I see no comparison. The folks in PWC are objecting to actions, not skin color. I stand by my opinion.

    Deena Flinchum

  21. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Deena,
    Younger (55) but not exactly a kid. I am three weeks older than Jim Bacon and I think the extra experience shows.

    Peter Galuszka

  22. Anonymous Avatar
    Anonymous

    Too funny, Peter! You young guys better stick together. Down here old ladies rule!

    Deena

  23. ilemme Avatar

    thought you might want to check out what is going on in lovely swan quarter these days http://www.swanquarter.net/

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