Predicting State Revenue in the Face of Inflation and Recession – Bipartisan Issues, Bipartisan Approach, Damnably Difficult

Courtesy WTAE TV Pittsburg

by James C. Sherlock

Governor Youngkin on Wednesday spoke to the Joint Advisory Board of Economists (the Board), part of a genuinely bipartisan structure established under Virginia law to support revenue assessments.

Which in turn must be used to support budgets. Which are, at least in Virginia, far more political than the revenue estimates.

The process is governed by Code of Virginia § 2.2-1503. Filing of six-year revenue plan by Governor.

In accordance with that law, every year by December 15 the Governor  must prepare and submit to the members of the General Assembly an estimate of anticipated General Fund revenue, an estimate of anticipated transportation fund revenues, and estimates of anticipated revenues for each of the remaining major non-general funds, for a prospective period of six years.

In Glenn Youngkin, Virginia may never have had a governor with large scale revenue estimates so clearly in his experiential wheelhouse. He is a valuable asset when this year those estimates will be perhaps as difficult as they have been in at least four decades.

Wrong or right, especially for the coming year, they will have major impacts.

  • Inflation can inflate both government revenues and government costs in perhaps unequal measure; and
  • Recession can bring decreased revenue in the face of increasing demands for services.

The Governor’s estimates are based in part on the advice of the Board and of an Advisory Council on Revenue Estimates (the Council).

  • The Board is chaired by the Secretary of Finance.  It consists of the Staff Director of the House Committee on Appropriations, the Staff Director of the Senate Committee on Finance and Appropriations, and 15 non-legislative citizen members, 12 to be appointed by the Governor, at least eight being citizens of the Commonwealth, and three by the Joint Rules Committee, at least two being citizens of the Commonwealth.
  • The Council, of which the Governor is chairman, shall include the Speaker and Majority Leader of the House of Delegates; the President pro tempore and Majority Leader of the Senate; the Chairmen of the House Committee on Appropriations, the House Committee on Finance, and the Senate Committee on Finance and Appropriations or their designees; two members of the House of Delegates to be appointed by the Speaker of the House; two members of the Senate to be appointed by the Chairman of the Senate Committee on Finance and Appropriations; and 15 to 20 non-legislative citizen members representing the private sector, appointed by the Governor.

Governor Youngkin on Wednesday shared with the Board his thoughts on issues important to the work. He asked them to pay attention to housing and energy prices, consumer expectations, labor participation, corporate investment and small business health.

His focus on housing costs and energy markets was driven by both primary and secondary effects those costs have on the rest of the economy.

The bad news. This morning, the Governor, those two panels, and the rest of us were presented with data that will make their tasks both more difficult and more important this year.

CPI-U is for all but rural residents 

Year-over-year inflation increased in all categories as of September 30th.

In this particular exercise of projecting future state revenue, debates about who or what is responsible for that inflation are not relevant.

The Governor and his advisors have to deal with it. But even more difficult, they need in their revenue estimates to embed expectations:

  • not only for whether inflation will get better or worse and whether it will lead to recession, and if so how deep; but also
  • when in their six-year time horizon those things may happen.

The revenue estimates, of course, are the basis for budgets.

Does the General Assembly need to adjust last year’s biennial budget? If so, by how much? The exercise will be even more impactful next year as the basis for a new biennial budget.

The estimates in December will face major scrutiny, as they should. But at least Virginia has a bipartisan process for developing them.

We wish them well.

The budget decisions will be tougher yet.


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39 responses to “Predicting State Revenue in the Face of Inflation and Recession – Bipartisan Issues, Bipartisan Approach, Damnably Difficult”

  1. DJRippert Avatar

    Interest rates up, mortgage rates up, housing values down, real estate taxes down. Those real estate taxes are a key input to the school funding formula.

    Last time we had a recession (2008 – 2010) the amount of money transferred from NoVa, Richmond and Tidewater (but especially NoVa) was set to decline based on the school funding formulae. Then Governor Bob McDonnell decided to stiff the state retirement fund in order to have enough money to keep school funding at the same levels in RoVa.

    At least that’s my recollection.

    What will Youngkin do when this happens?

    1. Super Brain Avatar
      Super Brain

      The VRS is going to need more since those easy 2021 returns are kaput.

    2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      The 2008 Republican recession was very deep. Any recession we are facing is predicted to be mild.

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        Predicted to be mild by the same geniuses who predicted that inflation would be transitory? The combination of Biden and Yellen is the equivalent of a billboard advertising why the gerentocracy in American politics needs to end.

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      If there is a significant decline in revenues, Youngkin, unlike McDonnell, will have more than a billion dollars in reserve funds to draw upon.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        We are indeed looking at “rainy days”. I hope the fund is enough. I am afraid it won’t be, and any new borrowing will be at very high rates. Belt tightening is coming. It will be interesting to see winners and losers in that process.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          The state can’t borrow for operating expenses–only capital.

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Capital investments already planned or in the planning stages will prove much more expensive to execute for two reasons: inflation in contractor costs and increases in the costs of borrowing. This Dillon Rule state, with § 15.2-2634. Limitation on amount of outstanding bonds, restricts municipalities from exceeding ten percent of the assessed valuation of the real estate in the municipality subject to taxation, as shown by the last preceding assessment for taxes. It will be interesting to see how municipalities handle a decline in housing and commercial real estate valuations that we are already seeing in some areas that will worsen in a recession. How did it work out in the 2008-10 great recession?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            And because the Capital budget is for years in advance, they can and do pull back when it is necessary. Projects are delay and even killed if the budget gets in trouble.

            The biggest problem with tax cuts and tax rebates is the difference between them. A one-time rebate has a one-time impact on the budget.

            A tax-cut is a recurring annual impact on the budget when the economy shifts and affects revenue forecasts.

          3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            The state is already dealing with increases in capital costs. The caboose bill includes $350 million to cover shortfalls in projects previously approved.

            As for localities, counties cannot issue bonds unless approved by referendum. (This is one of the last major differences in how cities and counties are treated differently in Virginia.) Henrico has five bond issues on the ballot this fall.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            I thought these referenda were largely “advisory”.

            I KNOW they don’t have to issue the bonds if they change their minds.

            And what they sometimes DON’T disclose is that a tax rate increase will be required and how many pennies will be needed,

            right?

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            Correct. They MUST balance the operating budget.

            This is why the VA GA – both Dems and GOP have traditionally been “conservative” in looking at revenue forecasts and not counting their fiscal chickens before they should.

            And they have not been perfect at it in the past which has led to continued skepticism in deciding what to do with surpluses.

            Rainy day is for short term relief. Fundamental changes in revenues requires major budget shifts.

          6. DJRippert Avatar

            Sort of. When McDonnell stiffed the VRS funding he was effectively borrowing to pay operating expenses – in this case school funding.

      2. DJRippert Avatar

        Good point, although I though McDonnell had a “Rainy Day Fund” too.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          It wasn’t enough.

  2. DJRippert Avatar

    “In this particular exercise of projecting future state revenue, debates about who or what is responsible for that inflation are not relevant.”

    Agree, although (with mid-terms coming up) I’d say assigning blame for our economic mess is very relevent.

    Who was it that once said, “It’s the economy, stupid.”?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Bet it wasn’t who you think.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      It’s a worldwide thing guy. You know this.

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        So was the 2008 recession but that certainly didn’t stop you Dems from blaming Bush.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Probably true. But did Dems
          call him Slow George and senile?

          And Dems didn’t do silly stuff like “Whip Inflation Now”.

          Voting for Trump again?

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    The actual revenue projections will be decided later by the Governor’s Advisory Council on Revenue Estimates (known as GACRE). Through this process, the administration and the legislative branch reach agreement on the projected revenue.

    You are correct. This is an example of a bipartisan (usually), responsible approach to budgeting. The administration and the legislature can disagree, and usually do, on expenditures, but at least they are operating from the same revenue base. Otherwise, the legislature could develop its spending plan on its own revenue estimates, which may or may not be anchored in reality.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      You used to be involved. What effect will the enormous increases in federal government pensions have on state revenues?

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Can’t do anything but help. People like me will get an 8.7 percent increase in January. Although Virginia does not tax Social Security benefits, that will be more money to spend on stuff, generating additional sales tax revenue and ABC profits. Also, the premium on Medicare Part B will decrease, freeing up more cash.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          re: ” Also, the premium on Medicare Part B will decrease, freeing up more cash.”

          which is puzzling to me because:

          1. – by law, the Medicare premium is about 25% of the actual actuarial cost.

          2.- The 75% is paid for by taxpayers

          3.- Medicare is part of the reason why the Feds run a continuing deficit year to year.

          Bonus Comment –

          For all the hue and cry about the “govmint” being incompetent and not able to get things right – Medicare largely does and the vast majority of seniors DO get their Medicare benefits and live longer and in less poverty as a result.

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Big deal! The RPV did this years ago!
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bDeRlu0FttA

  5. LarrytheG Avatar

    This is WHY the GA tends to be CONSERVATIVE in looking at potential surplus and “giving it back”.

  6. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Before everyone goes into a panic over the possibility of a recession, it would be best to wait until Oct. 18, when the Governor will probably announce the revenues for the first quarter. The first quarter revenues are significant because estimated non-withholding tax payments are due in September. Because unemployment is low and there does not seem to have been any decrease in spending, the revenues should be well within, if not, above current budget estimates. That will be a big factor in the GACRE deliberations.

    If there is a feeling that tax revenues will be decreasing later in this fiscal year and in the next, the Governor will have several options. First, he can scale down or abandon his announced plan to set aside $400 million for tax relief. Other tax cut options can be delayed. Then, there are the large reserves that have been built up at the initiative of both Republicans and Democrats.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Dick – do you have any idea what percent of the revenues is “withheld” taxes and what percent is not? How about volatility for each?

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Individual income tax withholding makes up about 56 percent of GF revenues;

        Individual nonwithholding–20 percent
        Sales tax–17 percent

        The individual incomc nonwitholding tax is the most volatile and most difficult to forecast.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          thanks. That’s key info. So that 20% is enough to sow chaos in the budget?

  7. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Belt tightening? Don’t pull a Kaine and close the Rest Area on all of the interstates. You never know when you gotta go!

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Had forgotten that. Can not remember if this was a political thing to increase the gas tax or just a dumb-ass decision.

      Both McDonnell and Deeds promised to reopen.

      However, I have always thought that if there were no rest stops, people would pull off at
      the interchanges. Good for private businesses and less cost for govt , in fact, govt gets the sales tax on what they buy.

      We seldom use those rest areas because we “time” our stops for gas, food and pee – one stop, much more efficient! We use the rest areas when we can’t “last” until the next gas stop.

      When we travel cross country off the interstates, it’s a bigger problem. Not only no rest stops but most of the service stations have closed when the interstates siphoned off the traffic and what is left is “git and go” places that sometimes don’t have public rest rooms or don’t want you using theirs if you don’t buy something.

      But I ask – is this a “govt” problem to provide rest rooms? Why not have the private sector do it in the first place – like they do in some of the North Eastern states?

  8. This post highlights one of the most corrosive, though little appreciated, aspects of inflation — it creates enormous uncertainty. When they are less sure of the year-ahead economic environment, prudent people tend to be more cautious. The economic behavior of organizations and individuals changes. We got a dose of this in the 1970s. Looks like we’ll be getting another dose a half century later.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      recessions are even worse, right?

      re: ” The economic behavior of organizations and individuals changes.”

      yes. And all the more reason for the GA to not get in a hogwild “give taxpayers their money back”… then have to cut services ….

  9. Teddy007 Avatar

    If interest rates remain high, then the purchase price will be pushed down and counties will be forced to either increase the property tax rate or to start making cuts. I suspect that many people will begin to appeal the appraised value of their home.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yes. And first cuts will be capital projects delayed.

      And updated assessments – also delayed. 😉

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