by James C. Sherlock

I have reported often about the severe and increasing shortages of nurses both in Virginia and nationally.

At some point in nearly everyone’s life, we literally will not be able to live without the help of a nurse, whether for injury or illness or just declining overall health.

We need both the nurses and ourselves to be safe when that happens. We will have to fill the shortages, first by recruitment and retention. Perhaps simultaneously by increased legal immigration of qualified nurses from other countries.

This article will focus first on what RNs were paid in 2021, both in Virginia and nationwide. We will examine it in absolute and in relative terms. Virginia in 2021 was competitive on pay in relative terms. But wages may be insufficient in absolute terms to address the shortages.

Then we will discuss what else needs to be done to recruit, train and retain more nurses. I mentioned in an earlier article that RN instructors in training programs are one of the biggest needs.

The Census Bureau and Bureau of Labor Statistics have captured the large increases in registered nurse (RN) pay across the board and the doubling of the pay of travel nurses in 2021. Those pay surges were driven by COVID supply and demand and funded partially by federal emergency money.

You will see that, by what I consider a useful calculation, Virginia RN’s median wage compensation is 18th among the states when adjusted for each state’s cost of living index. Virginia is the top-paying state among adjacent states and the District of Columbia.

Regardless of the reason, it was past time that we paid them more. We need the pay raises to stick. It is the only way over the long run to begin increasing the supply.

I say begin because there are other factors driving nurses away. Safety is a huge factor.

Wages.  I have built from federal data a spreadsheet of registered nurse wages by state and a lot of relevant data to assess their economic well-being in 2021.

The results for 2021 are informative and are not intuitive.

The data enable calculations of three different perspectives:

  1. Relative national value: the median annual wage of state RNs divided by the state’s cost of living adjusted to the national average cost of living to provide the adjusted national value of the wage. This is an important figure in the attractiveness of each state to RNs. Virginia finished 23rd.
  2. In-state value of the median annual wage of state RN’s divided by median household income in each state.  The calculated figure shows how an RN can support the average Virginia household as the sole breadwinner. That figure calculates to o.95 in the Commonwealth, meaning that an RN in Virginia could not quite achieve the median household income by himself or herself.
  3. In-state value of the median annual wage of state RN’s adjusted for (divided by) median per capita income in each state. This figure calculates to 1.77.

There are other ways to measure the economic value of being a nurse, but those are useful ones.

  1. the first reflects the competitiveness of RN wages with other states; and
  2. the second reflects the financial competitiveness of being an RN within in each state.

As for competitiveness, Virginia RN 2021 median annual wages were, at $76,680 in absolute terms,

  1. ranked 18th among states when adjusted for cost of living; and
  2. near the bottom (45th) compared to state median household income.

By every measure, the most valuable place to practice as an RN is California. Wages are driven there by the severity of the shortage, the worst in the country.

California RN average wages are almost 150% of the California median household income. And the RN median wage, $125,340, is still the highest at $88,143 after adjustment for California’s extraordinarily high relative cost of living.

The highest values of RN wages. After California, the leaders in adjusted national value of RN wages, second through sixth, are:

  • Washington
  • New Mexico
  • Georgia
  • Michigan
  • Texas

Again after California, the states with the highest RN average wages relative to state median household income, second through sixth are:

  • New Mexico
  • Oregon
  • Hawaii
  • New York
  • Alaska

The lowest values of RN wages.

The states with the lowest values of RN wages adjusted for cost of living are, 50 through 46:

  • Hawaii
  • District of Columbia
  • South Dakota
  • Maryland
  • Vermont

Again, other than D.C., the states with the lowest values of RN wages compared to state median household incomes are, 50 through 46:

  • Maryland
  • New Hampshire
  • South Dakota
  • Iowa
  • Utah

Among surrounding states, Virginia’s cost-of-living-adjusted value of the RN median wage was the highest at 18th. North Carolina was immediately behind Virginia at 19th. Tennessee was 31st, West Virginia 36th.

The range of cost-of-living-adjusted wages was from California’s $87,201 to Hawaii’s $57,460. Virginia was at $75,540.

These are only statewide numbers. If we had all of that data for each jurisdiction in Virginia, we would of course see different relationships, but the same calculations would be valid.

Whether the wage differences regionally are balanced out by the cost-of-living differences would be an interesting study.

But statewide, Virginia in 2021 paid RN’s competitive wages when adjusted for cost of living, especially regionally.

If wages were the only issue, Virginia would be OK.

Shortages and safety. But the challenges to the profession are not simply wages. A report of a survey of 1500 nurses in 2021 gave a glimpse at the state of dissatisfaction:

Only 12% of nurses are happy where they are.
Over 80% feel burnt out, underpaid, frustrated with their administrators, and that this past year (2021) has affected their mental health.

Read the whole report. It is bracing.

You will discover things such as that only 2% of the ER nurses were happy where they were.  Ninety percent of nurses practicing clinically felt burnt out.

The report concluded from the data that the “Real Reasons for the Nursing Shortage” were:

  • Inadequate staffing
  • Not getting equal pay for equal experience
  • Not receiving hazard pay
  • Not having adequate back up
  • Not getting full breaks
  • Not being able to take sick days
  • Not being able to turn down extra shifts

Citizens can’t fix that.

Only employers, with state oversight to maintain nurse and patient safety, can do it.

I hope private sector nurses unionize to speed the process.

Bottom line. I have written about this here before but I will again. Inadequate nurse staffing is out there, most visibly in hospitals, freestanding ERs and nursing homes but also everywhere they practice.

Both RN employers and the state have ethical responsibilities to shut down services that are not properly staffed.

We have facilities open right now with insufficient nurses to safely operate all of the services they offer. I have done the research and have published the results many times before.

Hard choices have to be made, but at the state level oversight starts with accurate data and sufficient inspectors.

The inspectors, or I should say inspector positions, are largely registered nurses. The Department of Health will need to raise the salaries of the inspector positions until they are filled.

VDH has data available on nurse shortages if it has the personnel to monitor it, but currently is unable to my knowledge to correlate shortages with requirements by individual services in order to intervene.

The institutions know.

If necessary VDH should write a regulation to get the data they need at sufficient level of detail to make the necessary correlations for intervention.

The nurses, and the patients, demand it.


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72 responses to “The Registered Nurse Shortage”

  1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    This is a good analysis. It is a relief to see that Virginia is competitive in compensation for nurses, particularly regionally.

    The survey you cited was done in 2021. It strikes me that many, if not all, of the reasons for nurses’ discontent stemmed from the pandemic. Nurses were the ones who bore the brunt of the crunch on hospitals and their “burnt out” is probably being reflected in that survey. Hopefully, working conditions are better now.

    Now that the crowded conditions associated with COVID are over, two things need to m. First, we need to increase the supply of nurses depleted by retirement and pandemic burn-out by stepping up the training of new nurses. To his credit, Governor Youngkin has recognized this problem and need and included about $46 million in his budget proposal to augment nurse training. As the pipeline of newly-trained nurses begins to fill, the large hospital systems need to use some of their positive cash flow to fill vacant positions.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Thanks, and I hope you are right. But the behavior of some hospitals and nursing homes before COVID makes hope tenuous. It was only COVID that caused their pay to go up. And the institutions were making do with dangerous shortages pre-COVID.

      I think they need to unionize.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        “I think they need to unionize.”

        Oh that’s a great idea, instead of dealing with the root cause (Monopoly of service) they Unionize and are forced to strike with their Rep tells them to.

        Can you say wrongful death suit waiting to happen. If you think medical care is hard now, wait till you see that.

        Your short staffing is a result of Hospitals putting money into Admin staff and not critical care employee’s.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          I disagree pretty much across the board, Matt.

          1. I never discussed a strike, and improvements can be made without them. See my reference to shop stewards above to monitor safety and report violations to VDH. Hospital strikes are banned in Virginia https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title40.1/chapter4/section40.1-54.1/

          2. “Short staffing is a result of hospitals putting money into admin staff”. That is observably not true.

          First, hospitals are mostly private businesses in Virginia. That means all of them must watch the bottom line.

          Second, there is a massive shortage of nurses nationwide. In my article I showed that Virginia employers already pay RNs above-market rates. The biggest players in the private sector – HCA, Sentara and others – are already training their own nurses to try to keep staffing up yet are still short. They can train those who want to be nurses, but cannot control how many want to be nurses. Virginia’s independent hospitals and smaller chains do not have the resources for even that approach.

          Third, as I wrote, those shortages are no longer primarily financially driven. The nurses focus is on working conditions.

          Working conditions, exacerbated by shortages of nurses, can only be improved by shutting down services that are under-staffed. Hospitals and nursing homes resist doing that. They must be forced to do so in the name of nurse and patient safety. Unions can make that happen by reporting safety violations to government, removing individual nurses from the line of fire.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            1) If you Unionize and the Union cannot come to an agreement for compensation, those individuals are forced to work without compensation (aka Government Shutdown for Military).

            Impacting and driving the vary people you claim to champion out of the job field. Nothing like say you care, while my bills stay the same and my wife doesn’t get paid.

            “2. “Short staffing is a result of hospitals putting money into admin staff”. That is observably not true.”

            According to who? You? You’re not an expert and as I’m the spouse of an RN and can very much tell you that you’re flat out wrong.

            “First, hospitals are mostly private businesses in Virginia. That means all of them must watch the bottom line.”

            Strawman.

            “Second, there is a massive shortage of nurses nationwide. In my article I showed that Virginia employers already pay RNs above-market rates. ”

            No, not they don’t.

            The National Average according to 2019 values is $41.38 and hour (https://nursinglicensemap.com/resources/nurse-salary/). The average for VA is $39.78, there are differentials for weekends, holidays and nights accordingly, that is the same for the National Average.

            https://www.incrediblehealth.com/salaries/rn/va

            “The biggest players in the private sector – HCA, Sentara and others – are already training their own nurses to try to keep staffing up yet are still short. ”

            No, RN from Nursing schools are a thing of the past, you aren’t getting hired unless you have a BSN. That’s a 4 year college degree.

            The barrier for entry into Nursing isn’t desire, it’s the ability to graduate from college and pass the NCLEX exam.

            Once they are licensed Nurses they can be hired, but you’re not even dealing with the specialty Nursing fields nor the fact that they don’t typically hire new grads to NICU nurses.

            “Third, as I wrote, those shortages are no longer primarily financially driven. The nurses focus is on working conditions.”

            That’s in a word laughable, considering as far as I can tell you aren’t married to or are a Nurse yourself.

            “They must be forced to do so in the name of nurse and patient safety. Unions can make that happen by reporting safety violations to government, removing individual nurses from the line of fire”

            What you just described occurs through JCAHO inspections and Nurses are free to contact them at any time to report a violation.

            We don’t need anymore Government between people and the actual healthcare.

            Oh and just for your edification, I do my own taxes, bills and the like. That’s perinate because my wife is a NURSE and I am intimately familiar with VA Nursing.

            Edit: Furthermore, something that entirely dismantles your argument is the booming travel Nursing situation we have. I know of personally at least 3 Full-Time Nurses who have left direct employment for Travel Nursing, because they shake the money tree.

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            No, no they are not. (PS: bad link)

            You knew of Travel Nurses because of COVID, they have always existed.

            https://tnaa.com/

            Much like Locum Physicians have always existed and are not a byproduct of COVID.

            We aren’t even touching International Nurses, who get a abused but if they are good will be offered jobs when their contract ends.

            However, please continue to inform me that my personal experiences and life are wrong. What would I know, having been the son of a Nurse and married to one.

            Would you like to discuss the differences between the emotional toll Hospice has on a Nurse or NICU, cause I’ve got both.

          3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            The link is fine. I just checked it.

            There have always been travel nurses, but the exponential increase in demand and now quick reduction in that demand were linked to COVID.

          4. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Was not previously working. Oh and it’s from 2022, you’re a year off bud.

            Before COVID there were roughly 31k travel nurses, now there are 50k travel nurses. It is not declining no matter how much you claim otherwise. The national average for a travel nurse hourly rate is $64.78/hr, that is as of 19 March 2023.

            Contractors have been used in all facets of life for a very long time. Employer’s would rather pay a higher rate than have to pay for benefits.

          5. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Your opinions are shaped by the experiences of your wife. They should be meaningful to you, but they are also by definition anecdotal.

            That most certainly does not translate into you being “intimately familiar” with the views and working conditions of nearly 100,000 Virginia registered nurses.

            The results of the large nurse.org survey to which I provided a link in which 15,000 nurses emphasized working conditions as their reasons for dissatisfaction must be given precedence over your personal experiences.

          6. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Your opinions are shaped by the experiences of your wife. They should be meaningful to you, but they are also by definition anecdotal.”

            Well there in lies the rub, because those experiences encompass my wife, my mother and oh yeah my Brother in Law the Locum physician.

            “That most certainly does not translate into you being “intimately familiar” with the views and working conditions of nearly 100,000 Virginia registered nurses.”

            Well in this conversation, there is one of us with personal experience. There is another who has none, bet you can’t guess who that is.

            You should relook at your citation, because it validates my statements, yours not so much.

            https://nurse.org/articles/nursing-shortage/

            You should probably refrain from discussing topics to which you have little to know knowledge and pontificate as if you’re an SME. Your condensation in noted and pointless as per usual.

          7. Teddy007 Avatar

            Most hospitals are not-for-profit businesses which are different that for-profit businesses. Most of the time, one cannot tell the difference from a patient POV.

      2. Teddy007 Avatar

        Unionizing nurses are harder since higher pay for nurses is not a function of seniority. A new hire can have credentials that a long term hire does not. There are also a large number of nursing specialities that are not really interchangeable.
        If a hospital system does not want the nurses to unionize, then get housekeeping to unionize so that the nurses learn to hate unions.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Competitive is not the same as fair. Money is not the root of evil in this case. It is the balm.

      Eventually, we will do the right thing, so let’s try something else instead.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Define “fair” wages for all of the NIACS code job descriptions. Take your time.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Well, start with the cost of food, shelter, and warthm…

          Oh, oh and cut O-5 and above by 10%.

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Can you say “working conditions”?

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          No, but I can say, “You get what you pay for.” And, although we pay more than any other country for healthcare, we insist on paying the wrong people.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Good point. Holding up the US as the “right” way to do healthcare is a bit of a fools errand.

  2. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    Nationally, about 30% of nursing care exists in hospital systems. The balance is spread among a wide variety of functions from home care to visiting to private settings. The state needs to invest in a broad workforce development to include LPNs and CNAs as well as support nursing positions and the top of the rung RNs. VA law making strikes and work stoppages illegal should be repealed.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      The industry profile of registered nurses is available at https://www.bls.gov/oes/current/oes291141.htm#st

      The industry in which RNs are highest paid is not hospitals but rather NAICS 621400 Outpatient Care Centers (76,605 RNs out of about 3 million). Subsets are:
      – Family Planning Centers 4,746 RNs
      – Outpatient Mental Health and Substance Abuse Centers 14,118 RNs
      – HMO Medical Centers 1,264 RNs
      – Kidney Dialysis Centers 10,559 RNs
      – Freestanding Ambulatory Surgical and Emergency Centers 3,870 RNs
      – All Other Outpatient Care Centers 42,048 RNs

      The outpatient industry is also the environment in which they will have regular hours. That is of course not possible in the industries that provide around-the-clock care.

  3. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    Nationally, about 30% of nursing care exists in hospital systems. The balance is spread among a wide variety of functions from home care to visiting to private settings. The state needs to invest in a broad workforce development to include LPNs and CNAs as well as support nursing positions and the top of the rung RNs. VA law making strikes and work stoppages illegal should be repealed.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    So the obvious question with respect to higher pay is who will pay it.

    And I also agree with Dick that increasing the supply/replacing those who leave is equally important.

    I’m a little surprised at a call for unions though.

    Finally, most nurses employed in most places like hospitals, nursing homes, doctors offices, etc are in an
    environment where the revenues come primarily from insurance reimbursements and there is a certain blood-from-stone aura in that if one wants to pay a nurse more money, where will the money to pay them come from if insurance reimbursements won’t increase? It’s one of the problems at nursing homes that provide care for folks who are on Medicaid.

    OTOH, there are for-profit and “non-profit” hospitals that, some of them, look like they do have the money (and one might presume , pay better and have better working conditions, ergo more attractive positions.

    This is one of these areas of the economy where one might ask what level of government involvement is appropriate and why. But it’s not like Walmart where we might advocate for govt setting a minimum wage or say, urgent care centers, doc in the boxes, etc.

    what justifies more govt involvement – even as some call for less govt at the COPN level. Seems like more competition for lower prices for medical services would not necessarily benefit nurses either.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I am not sure why you would be surprised at a call for unionization. The nurses consider the shortages a safety problem and in my research I have found wholehearted agreement.

      Safety problems have historically been addressed in this country by unions in contract negotiations and monitored in real time by shop stewards.

      State government will never be able, nor should they try, to provide the presence of shop stewards.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I dunno, It’s just not something I’ve heard much from folks who tend to speak with conservative views.

        Conservatives politically are not known to be supporters of unions, public or private!

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          I am from a family of mine workers.

          It is not “unconservative” to want workers and, in this case, their patients to be safe.

          Nurses are in much better position to know when unsafe conditions occur than the government will ever be.

          They can report it to their unions and the unions report it to VDH, who can take state action.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            same for public school teachers?

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            I do not now nor will I ever favor unionization of government employees.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            yep. and the difference between public and private is…. ?

            teachers have safety issues also, right?

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            For the difference between public and private collective bargaining, I refer you to the words of Franklin Roosevelt.

            “All Government employees should realize that the process of collective bargaining, as usually understood, cannot be transplanted into the public service. It has its distinct and insurmountable limitations when applied to public personnel management. The very nature and purposes of Government make it impossible for administrative officials to represent fully or to bind the employer in mutual discussions with Government employee organizations. The employer is the whole people, who speak by means of laws enacted by their representatives in Congress. Accordingly, administrative officials and employees alike are governed and guided, and in many instances restricted, by laws which establish policies, procedures, or rules in personnel matters.”

            “Particularly, I want to emphasize my conviction that militant tactics have no place in the functions of any organization of Government employees. Upon employees in the Federal service rests the obligation to serve the whole people, whose interests and welfare require orderliness and continuity in the conduct of Government activities. This obligation is paramount. Since their own services have to do with the functioning of the Government, a strike of public employees manifests nothing less than an intent on their part to prevent or obstruct the operations of Government until their demands are satisfied. Such action, looking toward the paralysis of Government by those who have sworn to support it, is unthinkable and intolerable. It is, therefore, with a feeling of gratification that I have noted in the constitution of the National Federation of Federal Employees the provision that “under no circumstances shall this Federation engage in or support strikes against the United States Government.”

            https://nationalcenter.org/ncppr/2011/02/19/blog-text-of-fdr-letter-opposing-public-employee-government-unions/

          5. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            FDR’s statement makes a distinction between public employee militancy, I.e., strikes and/ or work stoppages. Collective bargaining “as usually understood” has since his administration been accepted. Your resolute opposition to government employ unions requires some updating. But… no one seeks to change your opinion.

          6. James McCarthy Avatar
            James McCarthy

            Hmmnn! A nurses union would be professionally based not defined by industry. Veterans Admin nurses are government employees as are those in state run institutions.

          7. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “Veterans Admin nurses are government employees as are those in state run institutions.”

            AFGE covers all DoD employees. Yes, the Civilians are Unionized but the Active Duty members are not.

          8. Are nurses at Virginia’s university-affiliated hospitals government employees?

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    One Hospital Administrator = 25 Nurses in cost, and < 1 Candystriper in outcome.

    1. Teddy007 Avatar

      Many of those administrators used to be nurses. Every heard of the clip board nurse. Penn School of Nursing has a management graduate degree.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Do they collect 7 figures?

        1. Teddy007 Avatar

          There are a lot of administrators between the CEO of the hospital system and the bedside nurses.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            You didn’t answer the question. Do they collect more than 6 figures?

          2. Teddy007 Avatar

            Some of them do. some of them do not. What should be the pay of the CEO of an organization that employees 1000’s and in many places is the largest private employer in town?

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Not 25 times the average employee salary.

          4. Teddy007 Avatar

            Stephen Jones is the President and CEO of INOVA Health Systems in Virginia. His published compensation is $3.1 million. That is probably 25 times of the average employee. Inova is also the largest private sector employer in Northern Virginia. If very talented CEO’s were available for $500k, then everyone would have one.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            That doesn’t prove that they aren’t available just that the hospital is willing to overpay.

            Hell, hire a woman. 77% of 3.1…

          6. Teddy007 Avatar

            The SVP of HR makes $700k.

          7. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            To justify his $700K wouldn’t he be smart to assure that the CEO makes waaaay more than he?

          8. Teddy007 Avatar

            The CEO is definitely make more than the SVP of HR. However, since the CEO is an MD, Inova does not have a Chief Medical Officer.

          9. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            maybe based on some other metric?

      2. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        The only difference is, the lions share of those now Nurse Managers don’t go into staffing (they only work 8 hours and do managerial work). Even when Units are short staffed, it’s still more of the same.

        1. Teddy007 Avatar

          Most nursing directors are working more than 8 a day and carry a cell phone. It is the quality types who get the easier hours.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            I don’t know what Hospital you’re speaking of, but the 3 I’m intimately familiar with, that isn’t the case at all.

  6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Perhaps simultaneously by increased legal immigration of qualified nurses from other countries.”

    Isn’t that something of a zero sum game…?

    Also, how much if the shortage is due to the aging boomer demographic slug and will things improve as they move on… so to speak…?

    Finally, if we had a better healthcare system with better health outcomes would our aging boomer population be in better health now and require fewer nurses… IOW, did we/you make the bed we/you are lying in… again so to speak…?

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Healthcare system? It is neither healthy, caring, nor a system.

      It astounds the admins and nurses when they ask about my medications and I reply, “none”.

      “Well, we’ll have to fix that. You’re not paying your share.”

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Legal immigration is never a zero sum game for our country. H1B visas are one of the best things we do for ourselves.

      You delude yourself if you think the nursing shortage will solve itself.

      You have indicated support in the past for single payer. The government payments are now the lowest in the insurance industry. How, exactly, will that get us more nurses?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        It’s a large and complex system and I’d be the first to admit I don’t truly understand it all but I do notice things that seem inconsistent.

        For instance, on the H1B visas, I perceive them to be more about physician level positions AND they seemingly will work for lower wages.

        Do we really attract nurses with H1B and are they also lower paying than American nurses?

        With regard to Single Payer – virtually all other developed countries seem to have some version of it with various levels of govt involvement.

        No matter the country, it’s the insurer, whether govt or not that determines reimbursement for those who do not have enough wealth to not need the insurance.

        Even the VA that provides “free” care for some veterans , determines, what level of care and service is to be provided.

        Seems like this is fundamental to most all developed nations. I know of no nations that do it differently with better results.

        Do they also suffer shortages ? And if so, do they also issue their versions of H1B visas?

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Persons on H1B visas must by federal law be paid like their American counterparts for the same work.

          If you want to have a single payer discussion, this is not the subject on which to hang it.

          In Great Britain, for example, 28% of the NHS employees are foreign born, and they still suffer major shortages.

        2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Persons on H1B visas must by federal law be paid like their American counterparts for the same work.

          If you want to have a single payer discussion, this is not the subject on which to hang it.

          In Great Britain, for example, 28% of the NHS employees are foreign born, and they still suffer major shortages.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            separate issues I agree.

            In terms of lower pay.. I dunno… I see a LOT of foreign-born doctors on the staff of MWH in Fredericksburg. I suspect they’ve signed contracts.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            In 2018, the census bureau reported that immigrants represented 17 percent of the overall U.S. civilian workforce.

            But they were 28 percent of physicians and 24 percent of dentists as well as 38 percent of home health aides.

            But only 15.5% of registered nurses were foreign born.

          3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            In 2018, the census bureau reported that immigrants represented 17 percent of the overall U.S. civilian workforce.

            But they were 28 percent of physicians and 24 percent of dentists as well as 38 percent of home health aides.

            But only 15.5% of registered nurses were foreign born.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Many, many foreign-born folks on the “provider” network for Mary Washington Hospital.

          5. Lefty665 Avatar

            Good post. One comment.

            H1Bs have chronically depressed domestic wages for programmers and other high skill info tech workers. It’s pretty simple supply and demand. H1Bs increase the supply. Dunno how it works for nurses, but it would surprise me if it was different for that high demand short supply skill set.

            Virginia at 23 on the nurses compensation list is not high enough to attract people to the state. If we want more or better supply, we gotta pay more than average. I’d make the same argument for school teachers and cops.

            Since the ’90s a disproportionate percentage of earnings has floated to the top 1% and 10% of earners. Eventually the impact of that monopoly on real wage gains trickles down to high skill but stressful jobs and the result is shortages like we are seeing now.

            In my own company I found it was hard to overpay for someone who had the skills to do what I needed done and who wanted to do it. It was a win win. They thought I was a good employer, I thought they were good employees, and we made money doing things well. It doesn’t get much better than that in my book.

          6. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            They often use International Nurses. It’s like a trial program, if you do well. You get a greed card or similar and get hired on under a new contract.

            As far as I understand that 2 year trial period is ungodly. As less pay, they can’t callout and they can’t be put on call or called off.

            It is as such similar to travel nursing, you work your contract. So unless there is a stipulation in it, you’re working the shift assigned. Either on your unit or another that may be short and in your competency.

            I am aware of a system during COVID cut staffing, as only essential remained (no non essential surgeries, no income). Which means you had RN BSN’s manning desks and answering phones on other units as those cliental were out of their competency. Which to me was a waste of money, as that RN is making twice that of a LPN or CNA and those RN’s sure could’ve used a day off.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “Legal immigration is never a zero sum game for our country”

        The zero sum game comes into play when you consider a worldwide nursing shortage which is a thing. If we just bring more nurses here though increased immigration (attracted by higher pay) are we not just robbing from the poor to nurse the rich?

        Medicare does not reimburse for long care nursing of any kind, btw.

        The nursing shortage is quickly becoming a question of haves vs have nots as most of these boomer demographic driven problems have become. Kudos for suggesting unionizing nurses though. Why that logic shouldn’t be applied to teachers is beyond me… but I digress…

  7. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    I congratulate commenters. This is the most substantive and on point series of comments I have seen in a very long time.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Aw shucks. With so little critical commentary, it must have finally felt positive. Keep it up.

  8. Richard Ridge-Senior Avatar
    Richard Ridge-Senior

    Always great to read a thoughtful piece about nursing, especially now immediately post Covid-19.
    To respond to a few comments altogether-
    The ANA has published a series of nurse surveys, over the past 3 years, the latest in Nov. 2022.
    https://www.nursingworld.org/practice-policy/work-environment/health-safety/disaster-preparedness/coronavirus/what-you-need-to-know/survey-series-results/

    Many problems are systemic to nursing and longstanding, but exacerbated by the pandemic. Money is important, but for most nurses, feeling valued and respected go hand-in-hand. Nurse layoffs at the beginning of the pandemic destroyed the morale and trust of many nurses before the number of sick and dying patients started to accelerate later in 2020. Nurses want good working conditions AND apprpriate compensation. Some hospitals made record profits during Covid, while others barely survived. Some nurses thrived, many nurses have not, leading to record numbers reporting that they intend to leave their position, organization, or the profession.

    Having lived through numerous “nursing shortages” as a nurse over the past 42 years, it’s important to point out that during any of the actual or purported shortages, it’s usually about how many hours nurses are willing/able to work, and how many nurses are willing to work in nursing. Rarely has it been, that the actual total number of nurse FTEs is as inadequate as those actually working. Staffing, working conditions, lack of respect, and incivility drive many nurses out of their jobs and our profession.
    As a nurse I usually support initiatives to increase the supply of nurse labor, and I do think this is very important.

    However, for too long, the philosophy has been to keep throwing new graduate bodies into the mix, analogous to the replenishment of front-line troops to the U.S. Marines in the WW2 Pacific. This is non-sustainable.

    The author of this piece rightfully identifies the dual priorities of retention AND recruitment. But I believe we must put retention first, and recruitment second, to highlight the futility and irresponsibility to thinking that we can solve labor issues in nursing my increasing and improving recruitment and training. Of course, these should be addressed, but only along with solving the retention issues.
    Finally, labor issues and solutions in healthcare and nursing are tied to the fatal flaws associated with the payment schemes for nursing care. If hospitals continue to be paid for nursing through the room rates, the value of nursing will unlikely receive it’s economic due. Let’s pay for nursing care. This is possibly simpler than it may appear to be. Some people have advocated for actual billing for nursing care, and this could possible happen some day. But a more immediate approach would be to raise the measly 2% withholding of CMS dollars, as currently configured in the ACA Pay-for-Performance and Value-based Purchasing. If hospitals were held accountable for outcomes to a meaningful extent, they would likely value nursing at a higher level, and Everyone would benefit. Let’s start with 20% 0r 30%. We all remember the individual ACA penalty for not being insured before it was appealed, was so low as to be ineffective anyway. The penalty was far lower than the premiums, so it wasn’t effective anyway. This is similar to the current reimbursement and payment schemes. Hospitals are not sufficiently financially incentivized to change the way nurses are treated and valued. We remain an expense to be minimized.
    Thanks for bringing attention to nursing.
    https://www.nursing.virginia.edu/people/rr2m/

  9. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Thanks.

    Re: “how nurses are treated”.

    I’m not sure how that gets “fixed” if it is an industry practice. I’m sure the same could be said for some other professions like teachers or cops or ….

    How does this get fixed?

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