Parents Taking Their Children Out of Poor Performing Virginia Public Schools by the Tens of Thousands

by James C. Sherlock

Would you send your kid to this school? No? Someone else’s kid is attending it — or skipping school.

Accreditation data for a middle school in a chronically failing Virginia school division – Level 3 is the worst possible grade

Virginia public sch0ols lost 4% of their fall student memberships, a total of 46,165 students, between the fall of 2019 and the fall of 2021, while their budgets from the state went up.

But the state in those same two years is also estimated to have gained 33,619 persons between the ages of 5-19 eligible to attend those schools.

Statewide statistics mask the stories of individual county and city divisions, and of demographic groups within the school divisions. We will sample some of those across the state.

What we do know, both from the state statistics and the individual school division examples below, is that parents have been absolutely rational.

Those that could took their kids out of poor-performing school divisions and schools in large numbers, but less so or not at all from the best ones.

We need to try something else in the bad ones. Something else entirely.

All data in this article compare student enrollments in the fall of 2019 with fall 2021 unless otherwise stated. All of the spreadsheet figures except the calculated columns are from Virginia School Quality Profiles.

The average performance of Virginia Public Schools on the 2022 SOLs was famously poor. When I characterize below the academic performance of school divisions, it is relative to those depressed state averages.

Public schools student losses.  

We first need to define what constitutes attendance.  Registering in the fall, or attending once registered, or both.

The fall of 2019 was a pre-COVID year.

The fall of 2020 was a COVID year. People signed their kids up in the fall and then were crushed when most of the public schools did not open.

In that year, attendance was a mirage.

Nobody knew who was watching the remote lessons. Kids figured out early-on that they could log in, turn off the camera at their end, and then go play video games.

The fall of 2021 was a post-COVID year.

Not only did attendance drop in 2021-22, but the chronic absentee rate soared to over 20%. 20.2% to be exact.  That amounts to 252,939 kids chronically absent.

252,939 kids in Virginia public schools missed at least 10% of their school days unexcused.  How can a school system be an actual education entity if that many kids don’t show up?  If the left is not embarrassed by that, they are beyond embarrassment.

Both the registration drops and the massive chronic absenteeism numbers represented students voting with their feet.

The ones who shifted from public schools to somewhere else were just more expensively shod.

The biggest loss statewide both numerically and in percentage (-7%) of fall registration was in White students. Black students declined 4%, while Hispanic students increased 2%

English learners dropped 4%. Homeless students -22%. Military-connected students (5.5% of total, 69,129) increased slightly, but their representation in individual divisions changed somewhat.

Statistically, nearly all of the dropouts were economically advantaged. But the economically disadvantaged numbers, while remaining relatively stable, fluctuated a great deal in individual divisions.

Public schools net loss of eligible persons 5-19. The state public school percentage of school age kids dropped from 81.8% in 2019 to 77.2% in 2021. We discussed the increase in the eligible total earlier.

I do not have reliable estimates of 5-19 year old population changes school district to school district, so the rest of this will address only changes in public school division fall membership.

Just know that if the percentages of eligible students attending public school had held steady, their membership would have increased by about 25,000 rather than decreasing by 46,000.

Those 71,000 kids are somewhere else.

Virginia Beach. High performing Virginia Beach Schools, despite a significant drop in crucial military-connected students, came close to matching the statewide fall membership changes. Fall membership in 2021 was 5% lower than in 2019. White student population was down 8%, Black down 4%, and Hispanic up 1%.

Economically disadvantaged down 1%. Non-economically disadvantaged down 9%.

English learners up 16%. Military connected down 6%.

Chronic absenteeism 2021-22 18.4%.  That is over 12,000 kids in my home town school division gone from school unexcused a minimum of 10% of the time.

Fairfax County. Good performing Fairfax County Public Schools student losses were the headline in this state because it had over 10,000 fewer students in 2021 than in 2019. That loss was 5% compared to the statewide 4%. It was driven by losses of English learners.

White school population down 8%; Black down 5%; Hispanic down 3%; Asian down 6%.

Economically disadvantaged down 3%. Non-economically disadvantaged down 9%.

English learners were down 11%, or 5,500 of the total 10,000.  Chronic absenteeism in 2021-22: 15.3%

Wise County. Extremely high performing Wise County Public schools actually gained student population, up 2%.

The most notable changes were that the student population was far less economically disadvantaged in 2021 than in 2019. The number of students in that category dropped 23%, while the non-economically disadvantaged population increased 39%.

The percentage gains in Black, Hispanic and Asian students were large but the numbers were not.

Chronic absenteeism in 2021-22: 18.6%.

Richmond. As usual, Richmond, with utterly dismal performance, is an outlier. I can seldom explain that city’s statistics, and the fall membership statistics report is not one of those times.

Richmond is the only school district for which I computed changes both from 2019 to 2020 and from 2019 – 2021. Because the changes year-to-year were so radical.

That school division reported a loss of 25% of its students, over 7,000 kids, from 2020-2021. Down 4,000 from 2019-2021. It’s Richmond.

The rest of this reports 2019-2021 changes. That division’s students are net poorer, less White, and more Hispanic.

Total student fall membership was down 16%. White students down 37%. Black students down 16%. Hispanic students numbers flat. Asian students down 44%. Multiple races down 8%.

Economically disadvantaged down 11%. Non-economically disadvantaged down 21%. English learners flat.

Chronic absenteeism in 2021-22 reported at 14.8%.

Newport News. Poor performing Newport News Public Schools reported all students membership down 7%.

But there was a huge shift to a poorer student population. Economically disadvantaged students were up 24% and non-economically disadvantaged down 30%.

White students down 13%; Black down 7%; Hispanic up 2%; Asian down 17%; Military connected down 11%.

Chronic absenteeism in 2021-22: 28.5%

Chesterfield. Average performing Chesterfield Public Schools saw its all student membership remain flat from 2019- 2021 after a slight dip in 2020.

Within those totals, Chesterfield recorded a significant decrease (-13%) in economically disadvantaged and an increase (8%) in economically advantaged students.

White student membership down 6%; Asian students down 1%; Multiple races down 5%; Black down 3%; and Hispanic (10%) memberships were all up.

Military connected was up 651 students, 113%.

Chronic absenteeism in 2021-22:19.6%.

Southhampton County. Below average performing Southampton County Public Schools fall membership dropped 7% from 2019 to 2021.

White fall membership -8%. Black -8%. Once again, as elsewhere, the number of economically disadvantaged kids showed a large drop at -21%. Not economically disadvantaged up 5%. Students with disabilities down 13%.

Chronic absenteeism: 19.8%.

Roanoke County. High performing Roanoke County Public Schools lost 2% of its student membership over the two years. White student population dropped 5%. Black (+6%), Hispanic (+13%) and multiple races (+8%) all increased.

Economically disadvantaged increased 7%. Not economically disadvantaged decreased 6%.

Chronic absenteeism in 2021-22: 13.6%.

Teacher requirements. We know how many fewer students the public schools are teaching, but we don’t know if the school divisions have reduced their number of required teachers to match the losses in student populations. Probably not yet.

I do not expect the state public education budget to be adjusted to reflect this flight from the public schools until the data stabilize, but after this fall’s membership numbers are in hand, it will be time to take a hard look at that.

It is a very reasonable question whether Richmond, which reported a 25% drop in student population from the fall of 2020 to the fall of 2021, has decreased its teacher positions for this coming year by the same amount. Or any amount.

I sincerely doubt it, or all hell would have broken loose.

State education budget and public policy. But we already know why they left.

Virtually no one of any race or heritage reading this would leave their kids in some of Virginia’s divisions and schools. Who is kidding whom? Those who are not poor actively seek to rent or buy a home in locations that avoid them. Some of that has happened in addition to the overall state losses.

Poor-performing school divisions annually declare they are turning a corner to better performance. New teaching methods. New curricula. New programs. New money. New words for old concepts. New pronouns. Social justice. Restorative discipline. New concepts of (there is a long list).

Most don’t turn a corner into anything but oncoming traffic. And most of those divisions don’t have the system cultures to make successful changes. The kids are innocent bystanders until they get it. Then they and their parents turn hostile. They leave if they can. And if they can’t the kids cut school or disrupt it or both.

There is no one who can read who does not know that it is minority children who are getting screwed here.

The left can’t deal with insisting on effective changes and keep the teachers unions, so they go with the unions, forcing them to ignore the plights of the kids. Except to call for more money and to call schools, many run by minority leaders, systemically racist, and drive White and Asian teachers and kids away with their tactics.

The only way to reliably provide good public education in Virginia’s worst performing school divisions is with charter management organizations proven to educate poor minority children to the highest standards. Organizations of which Virginia has none.

Because Virginia actively drives them away with the Commonwealth’s charter law. At the insistence of the school divisions from which parents are fleeing with their kids.

BR readers can avoid the problem with our own kids and grandkids.

But we can’t avoid the stench of it.

Updated Oct 13 at 14:26 


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91 responses to “Parents Taking Their Children Out of Poor Performing Virginia Public Schools by the Tens of Thousands”

  1. DJRippert Avatar

    “Virginia public sch0ols lost 4% of their fall student memberships, a total of 46,165, between the fall of 2019 and the fall of 2021 while their budgets from the state went up.”

    Typical.

    46K+ fewer students to teach and budgets went up?!?

    Depending on your definition, the Biden Recession is either here or on the way soon. Private companies will see demand drop and people will be laid off. The stock market will continue to crash and people’s 401(k)’s will decline even further than they already have.

    Through it all, Gub’mint workers will have nothing to fear. They will not be laid off and their pensions will remain in full force.

    A day of reckoning needs to come for Virginia’s Gub’mint workers. When those workers are part of a failing operation, like the public schools, and demand drops … there needs to be layoffs. Not budget increases.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Reread the article. The two year loss is 46,165 offset by a 33,619 gain or a net loss of 12,546. The sky has not been absolutely defined to have fallen.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Nope, James, that 33,619 was an addition to the general population not the school population (which Sherlock is implying should have risen by 33K over the same period instead of dropped by 46K). Not sure I agree with his premise though.

        1. James McCarthy Avatar
          James McCarthy

          Thanx for the correction. The premise of a population increase of school age children seemed an offset. But you are correct in that not all 33,619 may have attended public school or been reflected in data collection.

    2. DJRippert Avatar

      It’s not a matter of the sky falling. It’s a matter of matching costs to benefits in public spending. The state of Virginia has consistently increased public spending faster than the sum of inflation + population increase. It’s past time that the spending by government goes under the microscope like it does in private enterprise. Bigger government does not equal better results for the people as our floundering school systems demonstrate.

  2. Free market in education… finally. Let the winners win and the losers lose….. now to make it so any family can take those education dollars with their child to the school of their choice — you know the saying, “My child, My choice.”

  3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Virginia public sch0ols lost 4% of their fall student memberships, a total of 46,165, between the fall of 2019 and the fall of 2021”

    45,344 of which were lost between 2019 and 2020… smh…

    1. Okay. Fine. The majority of the drop in public school enrollment occurred during the pandemic. But after the schools fully reopened, shouldn’t the overwhelming majority of the students who left public schools due to covid have returned?

      And, regardless of when the 4% drop in enrollment occurred, why should school budgets continue to increase following such a drop?

      EDITED: 11:10 am

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        As to your first question, no, not necessarily. Consider that the workforce re-alignment that occurred during Covid allowed kids to more easily shift to a home-based education model. For those who prefer that approach, there is little to no incentive to shift back to mainstream public schools until the workforce re-alignment reverts back and that certainly did not happen in September of 2021. So far that has really not happened. I suspect that this is why you see most of the shift happening in the non-economically disadvantaged group… they were the primary beneficiaries of the work from home policies of Covid. The economically disadvantaged never had that option… and still don’t.

        Noticed that Loudoun County is projecting that 2022 enrollment figure will approach (but still lag slightly) pre-Covid numbers. LC is hardly a failing district.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          “there is little to no incentive to shift back to mainstream public schools until the workforce re-alignment reverts back.”

          You can’t be serious.

          So parents will have “little to no incentive” to send their kids back to school while they themselves are working from home? Did this occur to you in a dream?

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Nice job cherry-picking my comment… you left out this important qualifier:

            “For those who prefer that approach…”

            Good god man, do you have even one honest bone in your body…?

  4. Sherlock and I have published masses upon masses of statistical data and anecdotal reports to show that Virginia schools are in meltdown mode. We saw the crisis coming, we explained what was happening as it happened, and then we provided the data to document that what we said was happening did in fact happen. Nothing but raspberries from the peanut gallery.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “Sherlock and I have cherry-picked masses upon masses of statistical data…”

      Fixed it for you…

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Very good example…. thanks very much…

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            so is Sherlock saying that public schools nationwide are terrible?

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Honestly, I am not sure what he is saying but to link to a NY Post article in the middle of a discussion on his tendency to cherry-pick data is certainly ironic…

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        I linked for you the entire state documentation of both performance and fall registrations in the pre-COVID year of 2019 and the post-COVID year starting in the fall of 2021.

        To call it cherry picking is an instantiation of a quasi-religious trance.

        Modern psychologists characterize trance as a form of sleep, or dreamlike awareness or a kind of altered state of consciousness.

        Trance has long been associated with hypnotic states, addictions, religions and work. And now progressivism.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          ” The main reason why Virginia’s public school enrollment was expected to begin shrinking this fall was that the number of births in Virginia had been declining since the late 2000s. School enrollment closely follows the birth rate: births peaked in Virginia in 2007 and began to decline, kindergarten enrollment peaked five years later in 2012 and then began to decline. In 2007, there were 108,416 births in Virginia, but by 2020 the number of annual births had steadily declined to 94,474, and the preliminary number of births in 2021 appears even lower.”

          https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/cc245cbaf7b9da60e538595a64ee2c47f3eb61ac037dbeb76d184f167a450afc.jpg

          https://statchatva.org/2022/01/26/school-enrollment-in-a-post-pandemic-virginia/#:~:text=By%20this%20fall%2C%20even%20without,50%2C000%20fewer%20students%20by%202030.

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Yet, as I showed by census data, the number of kids 5-19 increased in Virginia 2019 – 2021. It did not decline.

            Earth to Larry, that is the population that had access to public schools. Try to keep up.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Earth to Sherlock – I’ll believe StatChat ANYDAY over data you claim.

            Are you saying that StatChat is wrong on the data?

            Have you read the whole article ?

            ” The main reason why Virginia’s public school enrollment was expected to begin shrinking this fall was that the number of births in Virginia had been declining since the late 2000s.”

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Psst… his data is bad.

            According to this site, Virginia only grew in total population between 2019 and 2021 by 84,000:

            https://www.macrotrends.net/states/virginia/population

            According to this site only 16% of the population is between 5 and 18 years of age:

            https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/VA

            Those two figures mean that school age population only grew by about 13,000 students. The lion’s share of that growth was in 2020 (74,000 of the 84,000 or 11,000 of the 13,000 students). Now the real tricky thing is that the population data is by calendar year starting on January 1. The enrollment figures are logged circa September 1 and population growth (and hence student population growth) appears to be waning in Virginia over that time period. So between 9/1/2020 and 9/1/2021, the student population would pretty much be flat… which is exactly what the enrollment figures show.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            fewer births despite overall population trends and other as you say.

            One would also think “enrollment” first grade – not total school population.

            StatChat says:

            “Though the number of births has fallen across Virginia’s regions, the more rural areas of Virginia typically were the first to experience a decline in births during the late 2000s. The early fall-off in births in Virginia’s rural localities is the main reason why their student enrollment declined during the 2010s, even as enrollment in Northern Virginia continued to grow. In just the last few years though, Northern Virginia has experienced a remarkable decline in births, fueled in part by young adults and families leaving the region. Between 2016 and 2020, the number of births in Northern Virginia fell from an all-time high to its lowest level since 2000, when the region’s population was a third smaller than today.”

            https://statchatva.org/2022/01/26/school-enrollment-in-a-post-pandemic-virginia/#:~:text=By%20this%20fall%2C%20even%20without,50%2C000%20fewer%20students%20by%202030.

            There’s a lot more to this than what Sherlock is saying.

            Wouldn’t be the first time in BR that JAB and Sherlock have “spun” data to suit their narratives.

          5. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            The annual births in 2020, Larry, don’t affect school registrations in 2020.

            One additional small point. You are using birth rates, I am using population. People move in and out of the state, just so you know.

          6. DJRippert Avatar

            “The annual births in 2020, Larry, don’t affect school registrations in 2020.”

            Once again, reality intrudes on a liberal argument.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            No, but the decade-long decline in birth rates does.

            Are you seriously trying to understand or just blinding supporting something without regard to the actual data?

          8. LarrytheG Avatar

            did you read the statchat article?

            Birth rates are what feed public school enrollment not just population.

            The decline in enrollments has been ongoing more than a decade and has nothing to do with people pulling their kids out of public school at all.

          9. DJRippert Avatar

            Births mean little when 2 million immigrants pour over the border each year. Where is Vice President Giggles with her status as border czar?

          10. LarrytheG Avatar

            school enrollment is STILL declining even with immigrants.

            what is your real point?

            I’ve yet to hear anything from the “anti” folks as to what we should do about immigration other than build walls – that don’t work.

          11. DJRippert Avatar

            My point is that if public school enrollment is declining for any reason then funding for public schools should decline too.

          12. LarrytheG Avatar

            I don’t disagree but does that have anything to do with enrollment?

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          If you ignore the very data you are linking to you are cherry-picking…. not the first time for either of you.

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            One more time, Eric. The fall of 2020 was a COVID year. People signed their kids up in the fall and then were crushed when most of the public schools did not open.

            In that year, attendance was a mirage. Nobody knew who was watching the remote lessons. Kids figured out early on that they could log in, turn off the camera at their end, and then go play video games.

            The fall of 2019 was a pre-COVID year.

            The fall of 2021 was a post-COVID year. Not only did the attendance drop in 2021-22, but the chronic absentee rate jumped to over 20%. 20.2% to be exact. 20.2% of the total number of kids in Virginia public schools who missed at least 10% of their school days unexcused.

            Both the registration drops, the subject of this arcticle, and the massive chronic absenteeism numbers represented students voting with their feet.

            The ones who shifted from public schools to somewhere else were just more expensively shod.

            I don’t expect any glimmer of recognition, but I thought I would provide you that information.

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            One more time, the enrollment figures dropped by 800 between 2020 and 2021. The 46,000ish left in 2020 because of Covid and (as of 9/2021) haven’t returned yet. In 2021, enrollment was flat as was Va population growth. That is all your tea leaves say. I don’t expect a glimmer of recognition as you clearly can’t grasp this basic fact.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      If the progressive trolls here admitted that the schools have been declining precipitously while their people have been in charge, they would have no reason to get up in the morning. That is why they are out in force. Have to deny and deflect.

      Not a single reader here would send their kin to the school I opened the article with. Not one. But they don’t have to. Only “those” people do. So they deny from the comforts of their homes.

      They have to attack people who actually care about poor minority children instead of giving their schools a pass for screwing them. It’s doctrine. They are either heartless or aggressively ignorant. Some are both.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Maybe if we had a “school board in the sky”… eh…? … smh…

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Call that man a whambulance…

    3. LarrytheG Avatar

      Total BS and gaslighting as usual. The VAST MAJORITY of kids of school age in Virginia are back to school. A question might be if enrollment is down across all of Virginia, where are these kids ?

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        71,000 of them who would statistically have been in public schools in the fall of 2021 were not. The sum of 21,000 additional students who statistically would have been expected to enroll plus 46,000, the actual decline. That is the figure we are dealing with, Larry. 71,000 kids. A lot by any measure.

        I never intimated that “enrollment is down all across Virginia”. Just in public schools. We don’t know where the other kids are. We just know that they are not in public schools.

        As I showed, they are not in public schools for excellent reasons. I am trying to shame the left into giving a damn about the kids left behind because their parents had no options.

        I never thought I would be successful at that. You prove me correct.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          If they’re not down across Virginia, can you assume they are not in public schools at all if some places gained ?

          The “left”, yes, your true aim!

          I think the left cares a LOT more about public school than those that spend every opportunity impugning it.

          You’ve painted a picture of “kids left behind”. You’re implying that they left because of bad schools.

          None of it is anything more than really bad speculation at best.

          1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            “Can you assume they are not in public schools at all if some places gained?” Yes, Larry, I have provided you links to state data.

            “You are implying they left because of bad schools.”

            Why in God’s name would they not?

            Look who left – the kids whose parents had options. Look who did not. The kids whose parents did not have options.

            Grow to meet the moment, Larry. It is exactly what the data say it is.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            you’re gaslighting again guy.

            you have no clue at all that the folks who are not there left because of what you claim.

            it’s 100% speculation that you claim is “data” provided.

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          “As I showed, they are not in public schools for excellent reasons.”

          They all left (not the number you claim but some 46k statewide to be sure) in 2020 and not 2021. They left because of the impact of Covid on the public schools. As of 9/2021 they have not returned. That is all the numbers show.

        3. DJRippert Avatar

          71,000 students * $10,000 cost of education per student per year = $710,000,000. Sounds like it’s time for another taxpayer rebate.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Well you need to understand how much of that actually comes from the state and not the locality, right?

          2. DJRippert Avatar

            Either way, fewer public school students means less need for public school funding.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Agree.

          4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            So the Conservative answer to a failing school (where students are exiting) is to cut its funding…

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            … and give it to a charter that does not have to report it’s performance.

          6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Too bad those figures are not accurate….

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Too bad those figures are not accurate….

      2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Define “back in school”.

        The fall of 2019 was a pre-COVID year.

        As I told Eric above, The fall of 2020 was a COVID year. People signed their kids up in the fall and then their hopes were crushed when most of the public schools did not open for in-person learning.

        In 2020-21, attendance was a mirage. Nobody knew who was watching the remote lessons. Kids figured out early on that they could log in, turn off the camera at their end, and then go play video games.

        The fall of 2021 was a post-COVID year. Not only did the attendance drop in 2021-22, but the chronic absentee rate jumped to over 20%. 20.2% to be exact. https://schoolquality.virginia.gov/virginia-state-quality-profile#desktopTabs-6

        20.2% of the total number of kids in Virginia public schools missed at least 10% of their school days unexcused.

        Both the registration drops, the subject of this arcticle, and the massive chronic absenteeism numbers represented students voting with their feet.

        The ones who shifted from public schools to somewhere else were just more expensively shod.

        I don’t expect any glimmer of recognition, but I thought I would provide you that information

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          no information here, more gaslighting.

          You have NO DATA to show where these kids went even if they existed to start with!

          Much less WHY , if they actually do exist, they didn’t show up!

    4. DJRippert Avatar

      Our public schools are falling apart and the ass-clowns in Richmond are simply trying to hide that fact through reduced standards. This is classic big Gub’mint. Deceive, deflect and lie while always demanding mo’ money, mo’ money, mo’ money.

      Where is Youngkin in all this?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Youngkin has the perfect opportunity, some might say, the duty to take action.

        But the irony is that the angst with regard to our public schools academic performance is compared to what? Other countries who also have public education?

        And the answer is to convert American public schools to private so they would then do better than all those other countries “govmint” schools?

        hard to understand conservatives these days. They’re all over the map with their “thinking”.

        1. DJRippert Avatar

          The answer is to provide competition in public schooling. Something the Imperial Clown Show in Richmond has resisted for decades as their pockets swell from campaign contributions from the edutocracy

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            DO all those other countries that do better than us in public education – get that way from “competition”?

          2. DJRippert Avatar

            You don’t have to look abroad, plenty of charter schools in other states. It’s not even a partisan issue. There are a lot of charter schools in DC.

            Almost half the public school students in DC attend charter schools.

            California has a large charter school system. New York too. And Texas. Alabama has none.

            The problem in Virginia is not left vs right. It’s the corruption of the Imperial Clown Show in Richmond and the bulging pockets that come from unlimited campaign contributions.

            https://ballotpedia.org/Charter_school_statistics_for_all_50_states

            Wake up, Libtwits. Your state government is failing you and failing you badly.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            I just do see the reporting of data for charters that we see for public schools – and it’s that very data that opponents use to justify charters that don’t have such requirements.

            Also – How does Europe and Asia make public schools work so much better than us without charters?

            As I’ve said before, I have zero problems with Charters as long as they have to meet the same requirements of public schools in student demographics and equivalent performance reporting so we actually do know they are better.

            I would think ANY self-respecting Conservative would DEMAND that since public monies are at issue also.

  5. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    The data upon which this analysis is built is unreliable, at best. In the fall of 2021, we were still in pandemic mode. Some schools were open in the fall; some were open a few days a week; others were closed entirely, until later in the school year. As Matt Hurt has previously commented regarding state data for that period: it is probably not worth the paper it is written on.

    It would be much more enlightening and accurate to conduct this analysis after the September 2022 enrollment data is available.

    Note: A portion of an earlier version of this comment was based on incomplete U.S. Census data. Upon double checking, I discovered that I had overlooked the most recent Census estimates, which rendered my comments off-base. Therefore, I have deleted them. I apologize for any wrong impression I may have created.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      You have it wrong by a year. It was the fall of 2020 that many of the schools did not open, not the fall of 2021, Dick. All of the schools were open in the fall of 2021.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        And the needle moved a whole 800 students in the fall of 2021….

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          Fall of 2020 was a free shot. Parents registered their kids in the summer of 2020 hoping that things would work out that turned out far worse than they imagined. That is why I gave 2020 a pass and compared 2019 to 2021. And why I gave you the data to ponder. But nice attempted deflection.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            It is not deflection to say that the drop in registrations occurred in 2020 and was flat in 2021. That is what the data actually says. By skipping that critical year, you ignore the elephant in the room.

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            Go back to the start of the article. Answer the question. Would you want your kid in that school?

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You ask that question at the beginning of the article then launch into another one of your assaults on Virginia public schools statewide using 2 year old data impacted by Covid and ignoring recent trends. To answer your question, yes, I would indeed send my kids to Virginia public schools.

          4. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            No, Eric, you would not send your kid to that school.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            ” I would indeed send my kids to Virginia public schools.”

          6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            The man apparently has as much trouble with words as he does with figures…

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            You ask that question at the beginning of the article then launch into another one of your assaults on Virginia public schools statewide using 2 year old data impacted by Covid and ignoring recent trends. To answer your question, yes, I would indeed send my kids to Virginia public schools.

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Those with options took them. Now that schools have opened fully, we’ll see what happens. Those with options have money.

    Between October 2008 and March 2009 the S&P fell too.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      We will indeed see more. But in the fall of 2021, the public schools were open. We already have seen what happened. Thus the article.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Well, if we hadn’t elected Youngkin…

        Jobs are available. So, which cohorts went down and by what?

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    A new poll from Education Next, an education policy publication, found that enrollment in public schools has dropped by 4 percent over the last two years.Aug 16, 2022

    https://thehill.com/changing-america/enrichment/education/3604392-nearly-2-million-fewer-students-have-enrolled-in-public-school/

    Seems to be a national trend and it’s around 4%. So what’s the big deal?

    “And it comes as no surprise to me with another guy…”
    https://statchatva.org/2022/01/26/school-enrollment-in-a-post-pandemic-virginia/
    “The main reason why Virginia’s public school enrollment was expected to begin shrinking this fall was that the number of births in Virginia had been declining since the late 2000s. School enrollment closely follows the birth rate: births peaked in Virginia in 2007 and began to decline, kindergarten enrollment peaked five years later in 2012 and then began to decline. In 2007, there were 108,416 births in Virginia, but by 2020 the number of annual births had steadily declined to 94,474, and the preliminary number of births in 2021 appears even lower.”

    SCOTUS will fix this by outlawing contraception. Readin’, Ritin’ and Rhythm..

  8. LarrytheG Avatar

    ” Q. Why was Virginia’s public-school enrollment expected to begin shrinking after this fall?

    A. There were several factors, but easily the biggest was the steady decline in births which Virginia had experienced for over a decade. In 2007, 108,416 children were born in Virginia; by 2020, the number of births in Virginia has fallen to 94,474. The preliminary birth numbers for 2021 appear even lower.

    Five years after births peaked in Virginia in 2007, its kindergarten enrollment peaked in 2012 and has been shrinking since then. As these smaller classes progressed through elementary school into middle school, enrollment in Virginia’s lower grades began to decline. By this fall, Virginia’s total public-school enrollment was expected to begin declining.

    Q. What parts of the state are we talking about here?

    A. Some trends will remain the same; student enrollment will continue declining in much of Virginia, likely with the exception of the Richmond metro area and a handful of fast-growing suburban counties and college towns. Given how many people will continue working remotely, I would not be surprised if school enrollment rebounds in a few popular vacation counties as more families relocate to them.

    The biggest change, though, will be in Northern Virginia. Before the pandemic, a combination of declining births and more families leaving the region had put Northern Virginia’s school enrollment on course to begin declining next year. The fact that Northern Virginia’s school enrollment is expected to decline, at least for the rest of this decade, is remarkable given how much the region has driven Virginia’s population growth in recent decades.

    Q. When might Northern Virginia see the impact?

    A. Between thousands of students leaving public schools because of the pandemic and some returning over the next few years, the decline in Northern Virginia’s school-age population may not initially be noticeable. But the scale of the region’s decline in births has been too large to remain unnoticed in its schools for long.

    Northern Virginia has experienced the largest decline in births among Virginia’s regions over the last few years. In Fairfax County, where more than one in seven of Virginia’s public school students live, there were 15% fewer births in 2020 than in 2016.”

    https://news.virginia.edu/content/qa-what-will-school-enrollment-look-post-pandemic-virginia

    1. DJRippert Avatar

      The decline in births in NoVa is because too few people of child bearing age can afford to live here. Sky high tolls, sky high taxes, etc. The Imperial Clown Show in Richmond may have finally killed the goose that lays the golden eggs.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        no. the decline in births is statewide and nationwide.

        Why do you Conservatives have to “alter” facts? Why not deal with facts and let the cards fall where they fall?
        That would be a Conservative “value” no?

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        It is not the government that sets rental and real estate prices (which overshadow taxes and tolls in household budgets). Corporate greed and developers are where your frustrations come from.

        1. Developers do not build where there is not demand, and “corporate greed” has nothing to do with the resale value of existing houses.

          Demand, and the amounts people are willing to pay, control all real estate prices, for both new construction and existing houses.

          The omnipresent and ever-growing federal government, and all its hangers-on, cause northern Virginia real estate to be in high demand.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            ‘”corporate greed” has nothing to do with the resale value of existing houses’

            One of many, many pieces about corporate investment in real estate and how it is pricing younger buyers out of the market:

            https://www.wsoctv.com/news/local/corporations-that-buy-starter-homes-make-it-harder-first-time-buyers-analysts-say/6ZA4EZMVO5FMDFXWX73XGAVZPE/?outputType=amp

          2. The ‘greedy corporations’ cannot sell real estate investments for a profit if there is no demand.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Yeah, because speculation never happens during a financial bubble. I hope you are right and that young people end up going elsewhere and the corporate investors end up losing their shirt. Of course their lobbyists will then argue that they are too big to fail and need to be bailed out… again…

          4. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            The Law of Supply and Demand seems inane to some. I felt the same way about Geometry Proofs, none the less, I had to adhere to them.

      3. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        A vast amount of posters on this board don’t live in NOVA and have no idea about the prices or why they are that high.

        The prices are subsidized by the Federal Government which most are employed by along with scarcity. The more the Government grows the more people move in with less places to live.

        I recall when we tried to buy in Chantilly in 2016 the median house price was $525,000. That is now $627,000.

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    There is a shortage of teachers WORLDWIDE.
    There is a shortage of medical personnel WORLDWIDE.
    There is a 4% decrease in public school enrollment NATIONWIDE.

    BA’s Conclusion? It’s Northam’s fault.

  10. DJRippert Avatar

    Meanwhile, the Biden Recession is in full bore with CPI announced this morning at +0.4%. Higher interest rates = higher mortgage rates = less demand for housing = lower real estate rates = less money from real estate taxes = less money for schools. I guess the idiotic Inflation Reduction Act (i.e. fight inflation with more spending) isn’t working. You Libtwits see how this all works? In addition, the stock market is in free fall. No capital gains = lower taxes = either a need to cut spending or increase the deficit.

    But not to worry … the senile half-ass in the Oval Office says there is no recession, but if there is a recession, it will be minor. Just like he said that inflation is transitory.

    Virginia is facing even bigger problems than declining school standards and declining school enrollment. We’re facing an economic meltdown while our stumbling, bumbling, incompetent, senile president bounces from one bad idea to another.

    Mean tweets vs gross incompetence? I guess we decided.

    Biden comments …https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/12/biden-says-he-doesnt-think-there-will-be-an-economic-recession.html

    But that’s Ok – beyond senility the man is a pathological liar. Just yesterday the Imbecile-In-Chief claimed that his son “lost his life in Iraq”. Sorry Grandpa Simpson but your son died of brain cancer … in America. Sad and tragic but one would think that a father would remember the circumstances of his son’s death, Unless, of course, the father is either in mid-to-late stage dementia or a pathological liar.

    The best hope for Virginia is the 25th Amendment. Senile Joe is not fit for office.

  11. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    In Fauquier County 20% of students attend private school. The state average is 10%. The public schools are educating 8,684 students, private 2,117.

    The number is much higher than any district around Fauquier. You would think the school board would take note and attempt to offer a better product.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      James – where are you getting this data?

  12. Warmac9999 Avatar
    Warmac9999

    The pandemic pointed out the alternatives to public schools. Online homeschooling showed what could be done as did private schools. All this discussion of statistics is nice to know but it ignores the fact that a lot of parents found public schools seriously wanting and made changes to benefit their kids.

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