Offshore Wind Turbines and Submarine Warfare

Courtesy U.S. Navy

by James C. Sherlock

Upon investigation of open source literature, I find that offshore wind turbines are less noisy than I imagined. But they present obstacles nonetheless, both physically and acoustically.

United States submarine and anti-submarine efforts, operationally, in Navy labs, and in industry are led by some of our best and brightest.

That is true also, unfortunately, of most navies, including those of China and Russia.

The primary vulnerability of submarines is the noise they make, however minuscule. Submarine and antisubmarine technical and operational efforts are a constant cat-and-mouse game to minimize noise on the one hand and exploit it on the other.

The frequencies of the noise in the water from sea life, from shipping, from submarines and now from enormous turbine blades and the vibrations they cause in their supports are relatively discrete. That can help, or hinder, both submarine and anti-submarine warfare.

Weapons use against submarines presents other challenges. Attacks require targeting quality solutions, often from brief active-sonar transmissions. Again, noise.

Offshore wind turbines have complicated both offensive and defensive submarine operations.

Turbines are typically grouped about 500 meters apart in wind farms and generate noise in the water from individual turbines and group effects. As a rule of thumb, the bigger the turbine blades, the higher the noise generated. Bad weather exacerbates noise conditions.

The waters off of Norfolk and the nation’s other major commercial and military ports are of primary concern here. We expect and hope that the Navy is at the table in the design and location of each turbine field.

Here is a story from Germany that illustrates the issue.

  • The Deutsche Marine requires locating devices be installed on German offshore turbines. The transponders are designed to be activated by a sonar transmission from a German submarine;
  • Those turbine blades are much smaller than those to be installed off of Norfolk;
  • The signal allows the submarine to locate the turbine where the transponder is mounted. The signal has to be strong enough to assure a sufficient signal-to-noise ratio and allow the submarine to avoid collision even under bad ambient undersea noise conditions;
  • The acoustic impact on marine mammals has to be taken into account both in the far and the near field;
  • But they do it.

If friendly submarines need active sonar and transponders to locate turbines to avoid collision with their mounts, it tells us that it would be difficult to detect enemy submarines near and amongst them. Though those fields would be as dangerous for enemy submarines as for friendlies.

Each blade on each turbine in the Norfolk field will be longer than a football field. Much bigger and thus likely noisier than those off the coast of Germany. And perhaps at different acoustic frequencies.

Now, understand that Germany has a far closer and thus much more immediate enemy submarine problem than we do. American antisubmarine efforts are concentrated in keeping enemy submarines from getting anywhere near Norfolk or Bremerton.

But nothing is perfect.

The American submarine fleet. Submarine Force Pacific Fleet (SUBPAC) writes:

With the number of foreign diesel-electric/air-independent propulsion submarines increasing yearly, the United States Submarine Force relies on its technological superiority and the speed, endurance, mobility, stealth and payload afforded by nuclear power to retain its preeminence in the undersea battlespace.

The Navy has three classes of SSNs in service. Los Angeles (SSN 688)-class submarines are the backbone of the submarine force with 40 now in commission. Thirty Los Angeles-class SSNs are equipped with 12 Vertical Launch System tubes for firing Tomahawk cruise missiles.

The Navy also has three Seawolf-class submarines. Commissioned on July 19, 1997, USS Seawolf (SSN 21) is exceptionally quiet, fast, well-armed, and equipped with advanced sensors. Though lacking Vertical Launch Systems, the Seawolf class has eight torpedo tubes and can hold up to 50 weapons in its torpedo room. The third ship of the class, USS Jimmy Carter (SSN 23), has a 100-foot hull extension called the multi-mission platform. This hull section provides for additional payloads to accommodate advanced technology used to carry out classified research and development and for enhanced warfighting capabilities.

The Navy continues to build the next-generation attack submarine, the Virginia (SSN 774) class. Twelve VIRGINIA’s have been commissioned to date and they will replace Los Angeles Class submarines as they retire.

So, if I count that right, we have fifty-five-three fast attack boats, some always undergoing repair and upgrades, for protection of two very long coasts, for ocean operations worldwide and for near shore operations overseas.

Many are built, repaired and upgraded in Newport News.

SUBPAC lists twenty-one fast attack boats currently assigned to the Pacific Fleet for support of operational commanders across their vast areas of operations spanning half the globe.

SUBLANT lists twenty eight. The PCUs are pre-commissioning units. The priority of assignment of attack submarines to the Atlantic Fleet reflects longstanding concerns about Russian submarines. The fast-expanding Chinese undersea fleet will change that calculation soon enough.

We have other antisubmarine forces, both air and surface, but they deal with the same acoustic issues and themselves would admit that the most lethal of our antisubmarine capabilities lies in our fast attack boats.

Bottom line. So, what will be the impact on submarine and anti-submarine warfare off of Norfolk when the largest-ever wind turbines are installed there?

Or anywhere off of America’s coasts?

The Navy is certainly not going to tell us.  And should not.

The costs of the military solutions to the antisubmarine problems caused by offshore turbines are buried in the Navy budget, not in cost estimates from Dominion Power and the like.

Americans have a right to insist the new turbines planned off of Norfolk and elsewhere not prove a major operational obstacle to our defense. And thus to insist the Navy have a seat at the table in the offshore wind turbine decision processes.

Virginia State Corporation Commission take note.

We are left to hope they already have.


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54 responses to “Offshore Wind Turbines and Submarine Warfare”

  1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Hunt for Red October Part Deux…??? You should pitch your idea to Hollywood, Sherlock…

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Unfortunately it is a real issue. Ask the German Navy.

    2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      I love submarine movies. I think it is a real concern. I wonder if the Navy has studied this issue.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgFQCi9pq1Q

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Or, you can ask Hubert Humphrey’s Michigan Navy.

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Fences and obstructions. They work both ways.

    Or, are you saying our sub drivers are more inept than theirs?

    1. When’s the last time the Russians ran a sub into to the bottom like we did the Connecticut?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Uh, about 12 years ago. That we know of. Then there’s the booty we tried to snag with the GloMar Explorer (I think that was the name). Got her all the way up to the surface when she broke in two and went back to the Codfish Ball.

  3. Bob Matthias Avatar
    Bob Matthias

    The Navy was involved from the start. That is why the field off Virgini Beach is south of the Norfolk Canyon and the channel the subs and other ships use. The water depth out to 40 or so miles is less than 100 feet. Enemy subs -and ours – avoid such depths.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      That’s what I would have thought.

    2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Avoid such depths in peacetime, Bob. But welcome comment.

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      The Navy is involved in EVERYTHING. Ask yourself why we sink tunnels at 10x the cost of cheaper and safer bridges. 9 tunnels. Or, is it 11?

      Now, if they could just follow the channel markers then they wouldn’t run into ships at anchor or the Hampton Bar.

    4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Good to hear from you, Bob! I haven’t seen you in a long time. Are your retired yet?

  4. The Dominion scale is a bit grander. Tower spacing is one mile so passes 1 and 2 together put about 350 towers in a 300 sq mile or so array. Lots to hide in. Or run into.

    The noise is unknown because no array anything like this exists. Most of the noise comes from the giant 15 MW turbines, at top of tower, very few of which have been built to date.

    It may also be unpredictable because shallow water acoustics are very complex. Upward trending sound reflects downward from the surface. Downward trending reflects from the bottom. So much of the sound zigzags outward from the source. Combining hundreds of zigzagging sources is highly unpredictable.

    We have no idea what the acoustics will bring.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Thanks, David. Good contribution. Bob Matthias below indicates the Navy has been involved in the location of the towers. That is not unexpected.

      The question is were they asked their opinion about whether those turbines should be built in Virginia waters at all, or told to make the best of it as a result of a dominant green influence on government.

      Someday there will be a book by an insider that will answer that question.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar

        I would surmise they were told to make the best of it and drive on. I can’t see the DOD and Navy intentionally impacting their own early warning abilities to generate non-efficient power.

  5. Deckplates Avatar

    The article’s title brings to our attention what, perhaps, the negative aspects offshore windmills may have on submarine warfare capabilities. The recordings of windmills creating noise in the water is most probably interesting, but not even close to a motorboat (engine & commercial sonar) used for fishing, albeit different frequencies. And then the windmills only make noise, some of the time, cuz they don’t move most all of the time.

    Am thinking that most of the (formidable) navies of the world know where in the ocean most all of built structures exist, such as, cables, oil rigs, light houses, and even windmills. I believe those are referred to as developed topography maps.

    Speaking of acoustics and what is emitted by everything in the ocean; most probably in the development of “acoustical noise signatures,” the Navies of the world are able to “filter” out frequencies which would be natural or of no relevance to the identification of what particular vessel, object built in the ocean, or animal creating those sound waves. Those “acoustical noise signatures” are then more useful in tracking vessels.

    Although “China” is mentioned in the article, the aspect of how the windmills could affect the PLA’s navy was not mentioned. The PRC has constructed windmills, few of which are in the water, and none are in international waters, where ships navigate. Might be interesting to pursue that too: Why are only a few windmills are installed in the shallow water, and many more are on land or close to land? Most probably the US Navy, Japanese Navy and some others have also found that data relevant in making doctrine.

    Still, the most significant reason why it is dumb to build expensive windmills offshore is unacceptable ROI – actually an investment loss with a continuous high cost of operations. THAT has yet to be fully calculated with creditable data.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yes. You can bet your booties:

      1. – the US has listening devices off our coasts.

      2.- they have a database of sub “signatures” so they know not only a sub is near but which one it actually is.

      3. They’ve been doing this for some time.

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Nice lot of hogwash Captain. Stick to airplanes. Our surface Navy cannot find our subs and our subs don’t go active. Period. Not even while surfacing. It would be prudent, but ah, no.

    If anything, we’ll use them to our advantage.

    1. You have greater expertise in the area of military submarines Nancy?

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Actually, yes.

    2. William O'Keefe Avatar
      William O’Keefe

      Nancy you are naive and I doubt have any experience in naval warfare. First, it’s not our subs that we have to worry about but the other guys”. Second, enemy subs don’t need to get 27 miles offshore to launch their weapons. And third, what kind of scenario are you envisioning.
      The Navy is involved one way or the other. What we need to know is whether it has had any communication with either Dominion, the GA, or the SCC.

      1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
        James C. Sherlock

        Thanks Bill. That is exactly what I wrote.

        See my response to him.

        We both wonder if Nancy’s comment felt slippery and smells bad on his shoe.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Okay Bill. What you say.

    3. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      “We’ll use them to our advantage”.

      Maybe.

      If we ever decide to attack our own shipping or launch Tomahawks from just off of the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay.

      But I’ll pass that to SUBLANT. They’ll be transfixed by your observations.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Do that. And then ask an ASW guy what will happen to an aircraft carrier if a US sub is anywhere around. Also, ask ’em how likely a picket ship is to find that sub first.

        There’s nothing funnier than playing the data from an ASW exercise in fast forward. Most ASW assets will discover that a sub was in the area when a wake follower flies past their tow.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          As Commander Carrier Air Wing Seven, I was an “ASW guy”. Had both a helicopter and a fixed wing ASW squadron among the ten squadrons under my command.

          And I was a “fighter guy”. And an “attack guy”. And an “airborne early warning guy”.

          At the same time I was also the Carrier Battle Group Strike Warfare Commander (STWC) and the Anti-Surface Unit Warfare Commander (ASUWC).

          As ASUWC, I worked with our submarines directly. In that role, they worked for me.

          Back to your comment, you apparently are unaware that you have made my case.

          Your assertion that submarines are hard to find is not only true, it is the key to my article that offers the observation that it is crazy to purposely make enemy submarines harder yet to find.

          Don’t you agree, Admiral?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            ” it is crazy to purposely make enemy submarines harder yet to find.”

            each tower could easily be a listening post for subs, no?

          2. James C. Sherlock Avatar
            James C. Sherlock

            The Navy will find ways, expensive ways, to minimize the new vulnerability. But they won’t eliminate it. And they should not have had to deal with it off the entrance to the Chesapeake Bay.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            they have to deal with it anyhow in waters they cannot control.

            I actually don’t see it as a vulnerability at all.

            They’re de-facto sensor/listening posts … and I’m betting the navy already has long had existing listening equipment and they know not only when a sub is near but which one it is AND we’re sending out a welcoming party to let them know!

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Conceptually, yes. But this windmill field is a nit in that endeavor. Better you should find a way to silence shrimp.

            Wow! Nice CV! And still didn’t get the star?

          5. A selection board with sense. Up or out. Out.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Of course, the biggest threat isn’t enemy submarines. It’s sea mines. Just ask Bob Hope.

  8. I haven’t bought a Toshiba product since they sold our submarine quiet prop technology to the Russians several decades ago.

    Frequency probably varies with the length of turbine blades too.

    The Seawolf class is down 1/3 since they ran the Connecticut into the bottom and tore off the nose.

    1. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      A few years ago I had a Toshiba hard drive fail. It was supposedly still under warranty but I could find no way to actually send it back to them for replacement.

      Their competition has a website where you enter the drive S/N and it’ll check the warranty status and give you an RMA number as well as the address to send it back.

      Not Toshiba.

      1. I’ve had really good service out of a lot of Seagate and Western Digital drives over the years. That goes back to 5 1/4″ full height 10mb Seagates in the ’80s. The marginal price advantage of Toshibas and others never seemed like a good trade off. Same goes these days with Samsung SSDs. They work well and have been bulletproof.

        1. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          Worst drives I ever dealt with were Maxtor drives. In the mid 90s, you would warranty them and the replacement you got whined like the bearings were already shot, if it even worked.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar

      Toshiba bought Westinghouse awhile back. That means they were in control of reactor construction and design.

      1. What could go wrong?

        I worked with the Westinghouse folks in Lynchburg long ago. They were a bright bunch, and many were ex submariners, Rickover’s progeny.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar

          Yeah right, I had an employee who was an radar tech in a sub and moved to the SEAL’s. Said submariners were a different breed.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          I believe they call themselves “Group W” now, which should amuse the Hell out of those of a given age with a penchant for Arlo’s music.

          In 1983, they were Babcock-Wilcox. They offered me a job, and while the money was okay, there wasn’t much reason to move there. The idea of driving 4 hours to go sailing was off putting.

          1. Do they have their own bench?

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            That’s not the worst accidental branding. Honeywell was bought by Bull (a French company). They had an employee contest to name their services division. I suggest to a friend that he submit “Bull — Software, Hardware & Integrated Technologies”.

            He received a $100 gift certificate for his top 5 entry.

            The winner? Bull — Worldwide Information Systems. Bullwis.

          3. Back in the 80s Bull made a nice removable hard drive, it was called a whizzy for the noise it made. It used about a foot square disk pack at 20mb. It was spectacular compared to the 14″ 5mb packs we had been using.

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    At the very least, the windmills will be some of the best sport fishing on the East Coast.

  10. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “Dear Valued Customer,
    As the evening hours approach and temperatures drop to record lows, Dominion Energy encourages customers in Virginia and North Carolina to help reduce strain on the electric grid by conserving energy.
    Dominion Energy and other utility companies are experiencing high demand on the electric system that will continue for the next few days. Customers are asked to reduce their energy usage over these next few days to help protect the stability of the electric system.
    Customers can do several things to reduce their energy use:
    Set thermostats to 68 degrees or lower.
    (Freeze)

    Turn off non-essential internal and external lights.
    (in the dark)

    Unplug non-essential appliances and devices.
    (without entertainment or conveniences)

    Limit the use of major power-consuming equipment such as dishwashers, washers and dryers.
    (in your own filth)

    Ensure HVAC vents are open and unobstructed.
    (Why? It’s not running, remember?)

    Dominion Energy also continues to respond to other weather-related outages across the system. The best way to report an outage and track restoration time is through the Dominion Energy mobile app or our website. It’s free to download on the Apple App Store and Google Play.”

    Or, we could build solar and wind farms.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        One of my first jobs out of college was developing a vibration analysis code for Kaman Aerospace. They performed the analysis on one of the first windmill blades. It was 3 flat cars long and was shipped from California to Connecticut. When they were done, the final test was to break it. They mounted vertically with blocks and tackle attached to the tip. The company threw a picnic, and the highlight was a massive game of tug-o-war. It bent damned near 90 degrees before it snapped. Wish I had been there.

    1. Wind would have worked well for the last couple of days.

      Wonder why no one is pursuing tidal generation? It works on incoming and outgoing tides with pauses only at high and low turns, and the moon is dependable. It does not turn off with the rotation of the earth like solar and it’s not variable like wind. It just keeps going around, a perpetual motion generator.

      We’re in an old VEPCO all electric house with resistance heat. Not many reductions available, but we’re not far from a nuclear plant that the REC owns part of. Maybe that will help keep the KWs coming.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Some have tried. I forget the drawbacks unless it’s the corrosive nature of saltwater.

  11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Thank god there are no other noisy structures in our offshore waters… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/8a7179dc262416151999aa26956d2f4ade7684d017111d05a8e0dd3409230a42.jpg

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      yeah, but they’re not “noisy”…. 😉

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Just smelly and oily

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