NoVa Segregation — or Self Separation?

Guess whose schools are getting more segregated? Nearly four out of five Latino students in Northern Virginia are enrolled in predominantly minority schools, according to the Los Angeles-based Civil Rights Project. “About 7 percent of those students went to ‘intensely segregated minority schools’ — ones where less than 10 percent of students were white and a large majority of students lived in poverty,” summarizes the Washington Post.

The Post quotes Virginia Commonwealth University education professor Genevieve Siegel-Hawley: ““When we look at school enrollment today, it’s no longer a black-and-white story. It’s a very multiracial one. But alongside that growing diversity, there are also persistent patterns of segregation.”

Two decades ago, summarizes the Post, very few black or Latino students attended racially isolated public schools in Northern Virginia. But by 2010, as immigration surged, 7 percent of Latino students and 5 percent of African Americans were in schools where less than 10 percent of students were white and where poverty rates were high.

(The Post doesn’t name the study or link to it, and I cannot find it on the Internet. However, I did locate a study, “Southern Slippage,” published by the Civil Rights Project and co-authored by Siegel-Hawley in September 2012.)

Bacon’s bottom line: Siegel-Hawley, who advocates “continued or new court oversight of Southern school districts,” uses the emotionally loaded phrase, “persistent patterns of segregation.” “Segregation” is an especially charged term to use in Virginia, with its history of slavery, Jim Crow and white flight. But this is 2013, not 1953, and while clearly there are schools where the student body consists overwhelmingly of minorities, I have a problem with assuming, without further evidence, that separation equals segregation, which smacks of widespread discrimination and even government-enforced “separate but equal” laws. And I especially have a problem talking about a “persistent” pattern of segregation for Latinos, who barely had a presence in Virginia 30 years ago.

As much as I like to tweak Northern Virginians (who tend to be holier-than-thou in their views toward down-state Virginians) for their “segregated” schools, I do not draw the conclusion that something malign is occurring. “Segregated”  schools are a consequence of “segregated” neighborhoods. The question becomes, why are neighborhoods segregated? Do minorities still suffer from rampant discrimination in housing choices? In particular, I would ask, do Latinos suffer from rampant housing discrimination in Northern Virginia?

Or do Latinos, when immigrating in large numbers, as they have done in the Washington region, gravitate to neighborhoods that (a) are affordable and (b) are populated by other Latinos who share the same language similar culture, where churches conduct services in Spanish, and where they can readily access grocers and other merchants who cater to Latino tastes? Really, should we be surprised that first-generation, working-class Latinos want to cluster together, even if it means attending schools where they aren’t blessed by the presence of middle-class white students?

My prediction is that as Latinos are assimilated into American society — especially second-generation Latinos — self-separation will diminish. Northern Virginia’s residential separation, I would suggest, is a very different phenomenon than the segregation of the past and is not something to be regarded as a pretext for government intrusion.

— JAB


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8 responses to “NoVa Segregation — or Self Separation?”

  1. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    The Washington Post article discusses Prince William County, Manassas and Manassas Park.

    Prince William County is over 20% latino. By comparison, Henrico County is 2.3% latino.

    Bacon has it right in assuming that many latinos moved into the same neighborhoods. This has nothing to do with housing discrimination. It has much more to do with housing stock, illegal status and language. Fairfax County is a good example. The county has a latino population of 15.58%. My old high school (now called West Potomac High School) has a latino population of 21.73%. When I attended that school I only recall a single Hispanic student. A fine fellow named Jose he married one of my friend’s sisters. I still see him from time to time. I guess things have changed. The Asian population of West Potomac (8%) seems lower than when I attended.

    Speaking of Asians, why doesn’t this study examine the situation faced by the Asian Americans in Northern Virginia? Thomas Jefferson’s class of 2015 does have 6 African Americans and 13 Latinos. That’s dwarfed by 161 whites. That, in turn, is dwarfed by 273 Asians.

    Perhaps Ms.Siegel-Hawley ought to spend her time wondering what horrific anti-latino policies must be in place in Henrico County to hold the percentage of latinos at 1/10th the number in Prince William County.

  2. If you look at the SOLs pretty much across Virginia but especially so in the more populous areas – the achievement results for Latinos and Blacks – is not good. I think Jim is on to something … and I wonder if you would throw out the counties with small numbers of blacks/Latinos/Asians and focused on the populous counties – how the make-up of the schools would look.

    Asians in NoVa are like no other Asians in Va – I’m betting. I’m betting that the numbers of Asians in the vast majority of non NoVa counties in Va is small.

    The only other demographic that shows up in SOL deficits is low-income – regardless of race. They also sit in the same hole that Hispanics and Blacks sit in.

  3. Dr Carl Florenco Avatar
    Dr Carl Florenco

    This is not” Self-Separation” what you described is the definition of segregation.

  4. Dr Carl Florenco Avatar
    Dr Carl Florenco

    your comments, statement are on the verge of racism this has nothing to do with Self-Separation

  5. Dr. Florenco, Now that you’ve gotten things off your chest, I hope you feel better. Now, let’s engage in a dialogue in which you explain with facts and logic — not ad hominem attacks — why immigrant Latinos live in Latino-dominated communities as opposed to scattering themselves randomly and evenly across the landscape. Are they discriminated against in housing markets? If so, please present the evidence.

    I would present the following evidence in support of my case: In the history of U.S. immigration, Irish settled with other Irish, Germans with other Germans, Italians with other Italians, Jews with other Jews, Poles with other Poles, etc. As these groups assimilated over generations, their ethnic communities lost their function and slowly dissolved. Go to other countries, and you’ll find the same phenomenon of immigrants settling among others like themselves. Go to Africa, and you’ll find ethnic groups in strange lands clustering with others like themselves. This is a fact of human nature.

    To deny the obvious, and to posit the existence of discrimination without any evidence to back it up, and then to insinuate something to be “on the verge of racism” on top of it, is not acceptable discourse.

  6. got any thoughts on the phenomena of white flight and the tendency of white folks economically mobile enough to gravitate towards neighborhoods that have “good” schools and away from neighborhoods with “bad” schools?

    I’m not on Florenco’s bandwagon here but clearly there are schools in low in come neighborhoods and the SOL scores in those neighborhoods are nothing to write home about – and they did to have higher concentrations of minorities. Your better veteran teachers tend to gravitate towards “better” duty-stations.. and the lower schools tend to get the newbie teachers.

    That’s why I said it might be interesting to look at schools that have higher concentrations of minorities and their respective SOL scores.

    The easiest kids to educate are those with college-educated parents who tend to spend time with the kids on reading. Those parents are not going to live in a low income neighborhood and send their kids to that neighborhood school.

    the harder kids to educate are those whose parents are not as well educated and/or don’t spend as much time with the kids, often because they work longer hours at lower income jobs. Then on top of that throw in parents where English is a second language.

    there are disparities – it’s not overt, systemic racism.. it’s as Bacon has intimated, a “self-sorting” process that results in de-facto separation.

    I do not think in this day and time that Hispanics and Blacks “clump” together in ethic neighborhoods and any/all would surely not live in low income housing with neighborhood schools – if they had economic ability to not live there.

  7. you know… I think about this.. and the fact that we have children that are not succeeding in learning – and the downstream impacts of that on all of us – to include the other kids who will grow up sharing a world with those kids that did not learn – perhaps did not have a truly equal opportunity to learn as a result of “self-separation” – and we discuss in terms of why it is that way and whether anyone or anything is to blame for it – rather than what we might do to …. not have kids grow up without decent educations that enable them to be taxpayers instead of entitlement recipients or drawn into the criminal justice system.

    and it seems these days we seem almost entirely consumed about whether something is the fault of someone rather than how to fix it or worse..that since it is broke -then just abandon it …

    but these kids do grow up and they do become adults – and we are making decisions right now about the “next generation”…

    it’s almost if our “excuse” for this is that: ” it’s no-one’s fault that people self-separate” and ignore the central issue -which is kids growing up to be adults that cannot find work that will pay enough for their needs.

    I guess I’m sort of playing my own version of the blame game here – which is.. why can’t we focus on the problems and solutions instead of justifying the problems?

    in the case of the minorities and education – the awful truth is that low income neighborhoods end up with the least capable schools in part because parents who can, will abandon those places and teachers who are good – demand to be at schools they want to be at.

    so in the end – our goal of equal opportunity – for kids – just flat fails for those kids trapped in those circumstances.

    we have to fix that. We can blame all we want but in the end – we – and our kids all will pay for that failure.

    the only other alternative, I’m afraid is to revert back to some kind of a 3rd world – world where we spend gobs of money to produce – functional illiterates.

    we’ve got to do better.

  8. Dr Carl Florenco Avatar
    Dr Carl Florenco

    Bacon is completely wrong — using his owns words Irish settled with other Irish, Germans with other Germans, Italians with other Italians, Jews with other Jews, Poles with other Poles, etc. As these groups assimilated over generations, their ethnic communities lost their function and slowly dissolved. You missed the point — What was the function of the communities? answer that and you will describe” Self Separation”. When we self separate our decision is based on our comfort level where we feel safe, we find this safety in school, church, communities, etc. As we get stronger we have less need for the protection of others, we can stand on our own feet. Now we can engage the full power of Self Separation

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