Gun rights rally in downtown Richmond. Photo credit; Virginia Public Media

by James A. Bacon

As conservative as I am, right-wing “militias” make me nervous. I’m sympathetic to some of what these citizen groups say they want to accomplish — keep neighborhoods safe, provide backup to local law enforcement in emergencies — but I don’t see why they need to parade around with guns to do that. I don’t hear sheriffs and police chiefs crying out for assistance from an armed citizenry.

A basic precept of any well-ordered society is that government maintains a monopoly on violence. Any other arrangement is an invitation to anarchy.

In an article describing the rise of self-described militias, Virginia Public Media highlighted the Virginia Kekoas, a militia group in Eastern Virginia that was formerly affiliated with the Bugaloo movement but broke away over disagreements with the Bugaloos’ white-supremacist ideology. Writes VPM:

Virginia-based militia members VPM News spoke with considered their activities legal and said they had organized primarily to protect themselves and their families from criminals, an overzealous federal government and natural disasters.

I distrust an “overzealous federal government,” too, but I’m not attending monthly meetings to conduct weapons training and learn how to patch up bullet wounds.

It’s a sad state of affairs.

Conservatives have been conditioned by decades of biased reporting to dismiss uncomfortable news stories emanating from VPM or other ruling-class media. That’s a dangerous instinct. One is certainly justified in applying a skeptical eye toward any reporting from regime media and asking how a particular story advances a left-wing narrative. But just because VPM reported something doesn’t necessarily make it wrong. Conservatives need to pay attention to the rise of armed militias.

The VPM bias is easily spotted, starting with the URL for the article: …/militia-paramilitary-election-violence-Virginia. That tips us off right away that someone at VPM equates self-described right-wing militias with paramilitary groups who potentially could engage in election violence, perhaps reminiscent of the Jan. 6 riot/insurrection. Such a message certainly aligns with the left/progressive trope that gun-bearing MAGA types are a threat to democracy.

Not surprisingly, VPM quotes several liberal/left “experts” who find the rise of right-wing militias to be alarming.

“When I hear a constitutional sheriff in a county of 20,000 is creating a posse of 150, I see that as ‘We’re here if you need us, Donald Trump,’” said Carolyn Gallaher, an American University professor who studies paramilitary movements in referring to a militia-friendly county not in Virginia. “The election is, in part, what they’re waiting for.”

The fears of Gallaher and others are entirely theoretical, not based on anything the Virginia “militia” groups have actually done. By contrast, none of these pundits evince the slightest concern with militant leftists, who may not parade around with AR-15s but have mastered the art of using low-level violence to intimidate others, especially in jurisdictions where they know sympathetic prosecutors will not charge them.

All that said, I still find it disconcerting to view photos of militia men posing in fatigues with semi-automatic weapons and spouting rhetoric that, though not advocating violence, hints that they would be willing to meet violence with violence if it came their way.

The VPM article opens with a description of Paul Voska, who was attending a gun show in Augusta County decked out in military fatigues. He has laid the groundwork, VPM says, to start a militia, which he sees as a liaison between city councils, police departments, and the people. In his vision, the militia would serve alongside the Virginia National Guard and law enforcement against “the evils of the world.”

“You have a police department that is corrupt and you have a local government that’s corrupt,” he says. “The militia being on the right side of the community, Constitution and established laws in this country would present a force or intimidation like, ‘Hey, listen, this ain’t right. Knock it off.”

Voska’s militia also would benefit the community through fundraisers and feeding the unhoused. “It’s just a bunch of guys who want to have their neighborhoods safe,” he said.

That doesn’t sound like a coherent mission. Portraying police departments and local governments as “corrupt” does not seem compatible with working with them against “the evils of the world.” Let me also suggest that a self-appointed and unaccountable militia is not a group I would want rendering judgment on constitutional and legal disputes and then telling people, “This ain’t right, knock it off.”

The article devotes additional space to the Virginia Kekoas group, which VPM says organized to protect themselves and their families from criminals, an overzealous federal government and natural disasters.

“You have to self-rescue. One of my mottos is that ‘nobody’s coming to save you,’ and you need to treat your life like that,” said Preacher, a member of Virginia Kekoas, identifying himself by his callsign.

Besides training once a month, the Virginia Kekoas travel to Richmond to participate in the annual gun-rights rally… bearing guns, of course.

“I just met you, and I would trust you more than any person who worked for the federal government — or state or local government, for that matter,” Preacher told VPM News. “And the reason I don’t trust the government is that I know what happens to populations who have been disarmed.”

Yes, it’s true, the Nazis and Communists disarmed their populations. It’s also true that armed militias brought total anarchy to places like Lebanon and Somalia.

VPM also quotes David Stanley, a former militia leader who trained members of the Hanover Patriots in his firearms school. During the George Floyd riots in 2020 the Hanover Patriots “set up a neighborhood watch on steroids.”

“What if the police department can’t show up? Or if they won’t show up? What if it’s just us — how do we keep some order?” Stanley asks.

“If a militia was called to, say, the starting of a riot, just the presence of armed men is a deterrent,” he said. “When they show up, you have local police, state police, sheriff’s department and 300 armed militia men standing on the streets. What’s gonna happen?”

I don’t know. Three hundred militia men could just as well prove to be an incitement to violence.

The right-wing militia men spend a lot of time fretting about worst-case scenarios. They’re the mirror image of their left-wing critics who live in dread of gun-toting right wingers installing Donald Trump as dictator for life.

What worries me is that sometimes worst-case scenarios can become self-fulfilling prophesies.


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105 responses to “Not a Healthy Development”

  1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    The two VPM authors, they don't even have a completed college degree in journalism yet. This is a B story fit for the college newspaper.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Like the Cadet?

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        I was thinking the WAPOO.

        1. Marty Chapman Avatar
          Marty Chapman

          Well played, Sir!

  2. We should be concerned, if not worried. Remember all that $2B in rioting, arson, looting damage and some 40 innocent people murdered during the "Summer of Love"!
    Oh wait.. that wasn't militias…. never mind..

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      What is the basis, or source, of your claim of $2 billion in damages and "40 innocent people murdered"?

      1. James Kiser Avatar
        James Kiser

        The source concerning the deaths would be the various and numerous news articles that mentioned the deaths and the damage.

        1. WayneS Avatar

          Yes. The sources I have seen seem to coalesce around the number 19 as far as verified deaths due to the rioting. Not 40, but certainly not insignificant.

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    It is disappointing that the reporters did not interview any Virginia sheriffs or chiefs of police. It is my impression that no sheriff or police chief would want a bunch of armed guys, who are not accountable to the sheriff or police, running around "helping" out.

    Despite what these guys say, they have no legal authority in Virginia. Chapter 1 of Title 45 of the Code of Virginia ( https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title44/chapter1/ ) lays out clearly the role of the militia. In summary, the law says that the militia of the Commonwealth is composed of "all able-bodied residents of the Commonwealth who are citizens of the United States and all other able-bodied persons resident in the Commonwealth who have declared their intention to become citizens of the United States, who are at least 16 years of age and, except as hereinafter provided, not more than 55 years of age." It goes on to designate three types of militia: National Guard, Virginia Defense Force, and the unorganized militia (everybody else). The Governor is commander-in-chief of the Commonwealth's armed forces. The unorganized militia operates only when the Governor calls it out and, when it has been called out, it is subject to the same laws and regulations that pertain to the National Guard.

    It is legal for these guys to walk around with all their guns, but they have no authority to arrest or detain anyone or to order anyone to do anything. If they engage in such activites, they will be subject to legal action.

    What is worrisome is that these people seem to assume that they are right and everyone else is wrong. "The militia being on the right side of the community, Constitution and established laws in this country would present a force or intimidation." Another telling comment was this one by Paul Voska, the man from Augusta County who is trying to start a militia: “If Biden wins, it’s automatically going to be assumed he cheated. And there are a lot of people who are on the fringe edge of this. It’s gonna get violent,” That comes close to sounding like a call to arms by the militia if Trump does not win.

    1. walter smith Avatar
      walter smith

      Wow. One guy says something about Biden's win being suspect (and it would be really suspect now!), and everybody needs to tremble in fear! I guess nobody on the Left ever said or did anything crazy over a potential Trump win…Oh…
      When you worry as much about the Antifa mobs, who are actually far more dangerous and violent and unhinged, let me know.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        I would be just as concerned if there were a bunch of Antifa folks walking around with guns saying that, if Trump wins, it means he cheated and there will be violence.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          and even some elected saying things like "national divorce" and "civil war".

          combine the rhetoric with the affinity for guns and what we get is pretty scary stuff.

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          So your comments about the riots following his inauguration in 2016 where?

          If you can't have a singular standard, you don't have any standards at all.

        3. walter smith Avatar
          walter smith

          And I think your concerns are quite misplaced. Remember all the riots after the intentional stochastic terrorism of the Trump assassination?
          Neither do I.
          Antifa is the violent intimidation arm of the Left, born out of the left wing power struggle in Germany between the left wing National Socialists and the communists.
          In the war gaming for the 2020 election, if the Dems weren’T able to pull off the cheat and Trump was declared the winner, the next step was to call out the goon squads – Antifa, BLM, envirowackos, anarchists, blue haired misfits.
          Projecting like an IMAX…

        4. WayneS Avatar

          That comes close to sounding like a call to arms by the militia if Trump does not win

          An alternate explanation is that the man was saying it might be necessary for armed citizens to protect themselves, their families, and their neighbors, from violence perpetrated by the fringe element he mentions in his statement.

          Also, do you remember this?

          https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/19/politics/trump-inauguration-protests-womens-march/index.html

        5. James Kiser Avatar
          James Kiser

          The last rally I was at in VA in Richmond concerning self defense rights was well attended by antifa.

          1. WayneS Avatar

            Yes. They were there in pretty large numbers in 2020.

            Ironically, one of them got arrested for wearing a mask in public – just a few days before the government started demanding that we all wear masks in public. Thankfully, the charges against the young lady were dropped.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            Yes. They were there in pretty large numbers in 2020.

            Ironically, one of them got arrested for wearing a mask in public – just a few days before the government started demanding that we all wear masks in public. Thankfully, the charges against the young lady were dropped.

    2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      It's even more disappointing that the reporters have not even graduated from college yet.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        If they are not college grads, I assume they are interns for VPM. I don't understand why that seems to bother you. I have seen worse reporting from college grads.

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead

          A degree and a bit of life experience under their belt would do wonders for the quality of the article.

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      “It is my impression that no sheriff or police chief would want a bunch of armed guys, who are not accountable to the sheriff or police, running around "helping" out.”

      I think some Va sheriffs referred to their jurisdiction as “2nd Amendment Sanctuaries” a few years back. See Dixie Diggs. Oh wait, no, that’s Del. Danny Diggs.

      I have had a few of my liberal friends expressing the need to acquire a firearm lately. I tell them don’t. When the time comes, you’ll be able to pick one of these militia type’s AR-15s up off the ground where he fell. It’s a tried and true method used by liberals for centuries.

      1. Marty Chapman Avatar
        Marty Chapman

        Since the 2nd Amendment is part of the Constitution and said Constitution is the law of the land, would it be wrong to conclude that the entire country is, or at least should be, a "2nd Amendment Sanctuary"?

    4. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      That's some nice hyperbole you wrote there. They are engaging in their rights, if they aren't crossing the line and breaking the law, you're opinions are moot.

    5. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      At Charlottesville a militia stood behind Virginia State Police to protect their rear from Antifa. Reporting at the time was that the State Police appreciated the support.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Here is a description from the official review of the incident of how police viewed the role of the militiar at the Unite the Right demonstration: "Lieutenant O’Donnell told us that
        Christian Yingling, the commander of the Pennsylvania Lightfoot Militia, was with the militia group that approached the CPD field force line. He told Yingling that the militia’s
        presence was a “lightning rod” and encouraged them to leave. The militia group complied and walked back toward the Downtown Mall. After their encounter with CPD, the militia group decided to leave the area."

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Here is a description from the official review of the incident of how police viewed the role of the militiar at the Unite the Right demonstration: "Lieutenant O’Donnell told us that
        Christian Yingling, the commander of the Pennsylvania Lightfoot Militia, was with the militia group that approached the CPD field force line. He told Yingling that the militia’s
        presence was a “lightning rod” and encouraged them to leave. The militia group complied and walked back toward the Downtown Mall. After their encounter with CPD, the militia group decided to leave the area."

  4. Chip Gibson Avatar
    Chip Gibson

    Each day a new discovery. Today finding that I might, for the first, not agree with the Honorable James A. Bacon. That is tolerable, as a difference of opinion with a proven gentleman is not a grave concern. Along with my sincere, long-standing compliments, I would suggest possibility of overaction due to a limited understanding of the nature of the subject of your article. Perhaps good men, outside the norms of urban lifestyles and social connections, approach problems and potentially catastrophic scenarios in a different, more pragmatic fashion. God Speed, Sir.

  5. Bob X from Texas Avatar
    Bob X from Texas

    Everyone is their own first responder.
    When faced with anarchy or tyranny it’s nice to have some armed friends watching your back.

    1. Chip Gibson Avatar
      Chip Gibson

      And, there you go. Well said, Sir.

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Whatcha y’all gonna call the new conservative party? The Republican brand has been too badly damaged by Trump. There’s no coming back. What are the moderate conservatives going to become?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Probably not unlike other far right parties like we see in France.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Well, France is a bit extreme, but yeah, Renaissance would be a good name and similar in philosophy.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          you don’t hear some similar rhetoric from the right in this country?

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The Republicans are like any other structure that has had Trump on the facade. When the Trump sign comes down, it’s found in disrepair, the last six months of rent from the tenants is missing and the mortgagee is standing there with a short sale as his only recourse.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The Republicans are like any other structure that has had Trump on the facade. When the Trump sign comes down, it’s found in disrepair, the last six months of rent from the tenants is missing and the mortgagee is standing there with a short sale as his only recourse.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I know you speak in riddles sometimes… translate to simple English for those of us who are dense?

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Trump has destroyed the Republican brand. People like James — assuming he’s not an AR-15 totin’ white supremacy advocate who deep in his soul believes Trump is a genius— are going to have to start a right-of-center Party just to get away from the smell of rot associated with the words “Republican Party”.

          5. WayneS Avatar

            How about the ROC Party?

            Their wisest and most eloquent statesmen would be known as ROC Stars…

          6. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            That’s a start…. 😉 … Where is James right now as a conservative? GOP? RINO? ??? in your view? Is the idea that the GOP that is never Trumpers will do something apart from the folks that deeply believe in Trump? I’m dense… sometimes you gotta lay it all out for me. We’re talking a GOP …after Trump, right?

          7. WayneS Avatar

            How about the ROC Party?

            Their wisest and most eloquent statesmen would be known as ROC Stars…

          8. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Or, box o’ ROCs…

          9. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            and if they allowed women they would be ROCettes.

          10. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            May not be quite that dire, although I share your dislike of Trump. He has profoundly changed the Repubs by embracing populism, the New Deal base the Dems dumped 50 years ago. Whether that will stick as the new Repub party or revert to the anti labor country club set is yet to be seen. The militias fall in populism, with a 'tude.

            Will the Dems be able to paste together enough minorities to form a majority through identity politics or will populism prevail? We are living in interesting times.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    it’s a hammer not a gun, but the attitude is readily available…
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5dYEgIpIrUk

    In 1995 Alfred P. Murrah Federal building didn’t give you pause?

    “Most militia organizations envisage themselves as legally legitimate organizations, despite the fact that all 50 states prohibit private paramilitary activity.”

    1. WayneS Avatar

      That situation should have been handled when the crazy woman broke into their house.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Well, when she took their mail… that’s Feds. You cannot put/take anything in/from a residential mailbox.

        1. WayneS Avatar

          That's not exactly what I meant by "handled"…

          But you make a good point. Why is she not facing federal charges?

        2. WayneS Avatar

          That's not exactly what I meant by "handled"… 😉

          But you make a good point. Why is she not facing federal charges?

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I would guess because the locals haven’t thought about taking the video to the local postmaster.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            Hmmm. Maybe someone should put a bug in their ear about it…

  8. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Not a new thing, we've seen behaviors like this before.

    I'm not saying these guys are this guy but read the wiki to see what motivated him and his affection for guns:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timothy_McVeigh

    It's hard to know who some of these folks are sometimes.

    1. WayneS Avatar

      Behaviors like what?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        did you read the wiki?

        1. WayneS Avatar

          And in what way have the militias covered in the main article behaved like Timothy McVeigh?

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “I'm not saying these guys are this guy…”. It’s right there, you know.

          2. WayneS Avatar

            Please do not ascribe to me things which I did not say/write.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I did not, I was answering this question you asked, Larry:

            “And in what way have the militias covered in the main article behaved like Timothy McVeigh?”

            Larry had already said: “I'm not saying these guys are this guy…”

          4. WayneS Avatar

            And before that he wrote: Not a new thing, we've seen behaviors like this before.

            And McVeigh was the only named person in his comment, so who else could have been comparing them to?

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            "Not a new thing, we've seen behaviors like this before"

            that's behaviors with an "s".

            as in e.g. , for example…

            do you want more names ?

          6. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I believe after I pointed this out to you, Larry picked up the thread and answered your questions. No need for me to repeat his answers. My point, I did not put words in your mouth.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            I believe after I pointed this out to you, Larry picked up the thread and answered your questions. No need for me to repeat his answers. My point, I did not put words in your mouth.

          8. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            described in the wiki and in contemporary accounts of militia’s and some folks carrying weapons in public places – want me to extract the phrases in the wiki that I think relate to now?

          9. WayneS Avatar

            …want me to extract the phrases in the wiki that I think relate to now?

            Sure, why not…

            Then, please link them to the people interviewed for the article.

          10. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            nope. I spoke of behaviors in the wiki that I think are similar to some behaviors we see today Not talking about "interviews" at all.. talking about behaviors exhibited by some folks and plenty of evidence of that.

          11. WayneS Avatar

            Okay, then please link them to the "behaviors" of current militia members in Virginia.

          12. WayneS Avatar

            Okay, then please link them to the "behaviors" of current militia members in Virginia.

          13. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            It’s pretty apparent to me – as described in the blog post and many other accounts of
            the folks with guns appearing with their guns in public places. What interviews do you
            want to see? who?

          14. WayneS Avatar

            I'm sorry. Since I'm not Pavlovian in my fear of people with guns, it did not occur to me that you might consider someone simply possessing a gun in public one the "behaviors"…

          15. WayneS Avatar

            I'm sorry. Since I'm not Pavlovian in my fear of people with guns, it did not occur to me that you might consider someone simply possessing a gun in public one the "behaviors"…

          16. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            It’s more than just appearing with guns. There is context, like appearing in groups dressed like militia, and talking about the things that JAB alluded to in this post.

          17. WayneS Avatar

            Oh, so it's their speech that bothers you. I think I understand.

          18. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I just said it’s a context – of behaviors and speech and similarities with militia groups over the years.

            and as state by JAB: ” Not a Healthy Development”.

          19. WayneS Avatar

            and as state by JAB: " Not a Healthy Development".

            It's not a "development" at all. These groups have been around for decades, if not centuries.

          20. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I agree. Way back to Ruby Ridge and Waco, etc…

          21. WayneS Avatar

            Way before that…

          22. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            got some names?

          23. WayneS Avatar

            You can look them up for yourself, but I'll get you started:

            The Minutemen 1963 through +/- 1969 (Leader: Robert Bolivar DePugh)

            Posse Comitatus has been around since at least the 1960s under various leaders.

          24. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            And on the FBI, BATF radar?

          25. WayneS Avatar

            Moving the goal posts once again, but yes, they were on the FBI's radar.

          26. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            goes back to whether they were just a bunch of “good” guys with guns or something more?

  9. Brian Haney Avatar
    Brian Haney

    I can't believe that in the midst of the truly newsworthy stuff happening right now, THIS made it to the top of your list.

    Wow.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Actually, some GOP, even elected, are coming in front of the camera and speaking of civil war.. https://youtu.be/9TUbvoL-dfU?si=F00wcnFb-3Hnwy57

  10. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Would they have protected Sonya Massey?

    1. WayneS Avatar

      She would have been hard for a militia to protect since she was in her own home. It's too bad some one couldn't have saved her, though.

      Yesterday I read that the [former] deputy who shot her has been charged with first degree murder. He is innocent until proven guilty, of course, but based on what I have seen and heard reported about the incident, the charge seems appropriate to me.

  11. WayneS Avatar

    I’m not attending monthly meetings to conduct weapons training and learn how to patch up bullet wounds.

    I'm certainly not advocating for militias, but proficiency in weapons handling and first aid can be valuable in many situations, almost none of them related to fighting an "overzealous federal government".

  12. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Meh. Not to worry, Mate. Michigan has had these militias for decades and aside from an occasional gubernatorial kidnapping, Statehouse invasion, and unannounced federal building demolition, nothing has come of these guys running around in the woods.

  13. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “…VPM or other ruling-class media…”

    “…any reporting from regime media…”

    What..?! Jeez, JAB, it’s PBS (and a local affiliate at that)… and you wonder where some of theses gun-toting “militants” (noticed you don’t use that particular pejorative with this group) get their ideas…

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      yep, saw the "regime media". Part of the issue seems to be that he and others do not seem to trust a lot of "media" these days and prefer certain media instead.

      And they essentially make that point when they choose phrases like"regime media".

      To his credit, he does form an opinion and shares it though as you say…. with a particular viewpoint.

  14. GeorgeWallaceandGromit Avatar
    GeorgeWallaceandGromit

    Refusing to address the real issues in favor of proxy issues, as well as implicitly giving credit to egalitarianism and multiculturalism, is not conservative.

    1. DiversityCelebrator Avatar
      DiversityCelebrator

      Baby Boomer Republicans would rather relinquish the country to the lowest common denominator than be called a racist lol

      1. VirginiaGroyper Avatar
        VirginiaGroyper

        All rests squarely on their shoulders – “In half a lifetime, many have seen their God dethroned, their heroes defiled, their culture polluted, their values assaulted, their country invaded, and themselves demonised as extremists and bigots for holding on to beliefs held for generations.”

        Pat Buchanan

  15. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Yes, it’s true, the Nazis and Communists disarmed their populations. It’s also true that armed militias brought total anarchy to places like Lebanon and Somalia.”

    You skipped over almost the entire developed world that lives peacefully and thrives without armed civilians on the streets.

    1. GeorgeWallaceandGromit Avatar
      GeorgeWallaceandGromit

      You must be omitting every city in the United States and areas filled with third world migrants in your classification of the developed world.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Of course I am omitting the US. That is exactly the point.

  16. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    How many here were alive when MLK was assassinated and riots occurred across the country, millions of dollars of damages… people hurt and killed, etc?

    Compare that to Antifa and George Floyd? Both were in response to the killing of a black man.

    To equivalence the attempted assassination of people like Trump… consider the actual assassination of Kennedy. Were there widespread riots when Kennedy was killed?

    Fair comparison?

    1. WayneS Avatar

      Fair comparison?

      I suppose so – if you're a racist.

  17. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    What would have happened in America if the assassination attempt on Donald Trump would have succeeded? Nothing? Protests? Riots? Civil War?

    If "Riots" or "Civil War" – would you feel safer with or without a gun (asuming sufficient knowledge and training to use it)?

    If "Riots" or "Civil War" – would these militias be a net positive or a net negative?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      is that a rhetorical question? why's your view?

      Did we have riots/civil war/unrest when Kennedy was assassinated and militia groups out and about after his killing?

  18. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Virginia has a long history of militia units. The Culpeper Minutemen organized in the summer of 1776. John Marshall was a member. His father and friend of Washington was the major. The grandfathers of George Pickett, Joesph E. Johnston, William Payne, and John Buford served. The minutemen were reactivated for the Civil War, Spanish American War, and World War One. As far as I can tell, in the past Virginia's militia units were authorized and controlled by the government of Virginia.
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    1. WayneS Avatar

      I fly that flag on one of the poles in front of my house (directly under my state flag). I like its design better than the Gadsden flag.

      If you decide to go shopping for one be careful of the supplier. Some of the flags being sold on-line have "Culpeper" misspelled. I've found the folks at http://www.carrot-top.com to be reliable suppliers of good quality historic flags that are made in the USA.

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        James Wyatt Whitehead

        There are dozens of notable Virginia militia units from the history books. The Jefferson Guards from Charlestown, Virginia (WV) were the first to respond to John Brown's 1859 Harpers Ferry raid. They corralled Brown into the Engine House and freed a number of hostages. They restrained their efforts until Colonel Robert E. Lee and the Marines arrived to conclude the event. From 1859 until 1861 Virginia maintained active militia units in nearly every county. It's easy to forget the impact of Brown on the landscape of this period.

        1. WayneS Avatar

          Ah, John Brown – his group was essentially a militia.

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    BasedCalvinCoolidge

    Writing about muh economy and GDP while ignoring demographic replacement of heritage Americans is not conservative

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