No, Parents Should Not Tell Schools What to Teach

Terry McAuliffe was right

by Joe Fitzgerald

“I don’t think parents should be telling schools what they should teach.”

The statement is actually one of the bedrocks of our public K-12 system. Teachers will go to college for four years to learn what to teach. Literature, history, civics, arithmetic, mathematics. They learn how these things link together, and can perhaps teach how the literature of the 1850s and the economics of slave labor influenced the road to Civil War.

They spend time as student teachers, finding out what it’s like to interact with a classroom full of students, and finding out whether the profession is what they want to pursue.

They know whether “The Fountainhead” or “A Tale of Two Cities” is a better way to teach about narrative, principle, and sacrifice. They know whether James M. McPherson understands the Civil War era better than the United Daughters of the Confederacy. They know different ways to add three-digit numbers, and different approaches to showing students how addition works.
They behave in ways decided by norms, standards, rules, and restrictions. They obey requirements from local and statewide boards and from statewide legislation.

Parents don’t tell schools what they should teach. They’re not allowed to. This fact was recently used to win an election because it supposedly took away parents’ rights.

Parents have the right to teach their children whatever they want to. They can pull their children out of public schools and teach them at home. Some parents are not able to teach their children at home because they are not educated enough themselves. Are these the parents who are losing rights by not being able to tell schools what to teach?

Vaccines have nearly eradicated many awful diseases, including several that people of my generation and older contracted, and suffered from, as a matter of course. Parents have the right to deny these vaccines to their children. Are these the parents who are losing rights by not being able to tell schools what to teach?

Parents can and do physically abuse their children, and are often not prosecuted for it. Many children in this country get their best meals at school. Many children don’t have decent clothes or a warm enough place to live. Are their parents the ones who are losing rights by not being able to tell schools what to teach?

Many parents are not well informed about public issues. Asked to pick Terry McAuliffe or Glenn Youngkin out of a lineup, they would be just as likely to pick Ralph Northam. Political operatives call them low information voters because it’s rude to call them ignorant. They are the ones most likely to make election choices based on slogans and vague impressions. They are the ones who, when promised a parental Bill of Rights to return their rights to them, are not well informed enough to know what rights were taken away. But they want them back anyway.

Should they be the ones telling schools what they should teach?

In a deeply polarized world where more than 9 out of 10 voters can be predicted before the nominees are chosen, the voters in the middle are the ones picking our decision-makers. Those voters are not thoughtful non-partisan Norman Rockwell figures listening intently at a public forum. They’re the ones voting based on the last sound bite they heard before heading to the polls. Of course they don’t want their rights taken away from them. And of course they can’t tell you what those rights are.

But they want to tell schools what they should teach. It’s a right they didn’t even know they didn’t have until a 20-second ad promised not to take it away from.

This column has been republished with permission from Joe Fitzgerald’s Still Not Sleeping column on Substack.


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39 responses to “No, Parents Should Not Tell Schools What to Teach”

  1. tmtfairfax Avatar

    Fitzgerald is both right and wrong. Parents are not in a position to design a curriculum. But they have a right to comment on it, as well as have a right to consent to certain parts of it being taught to their children. For example, parents, including me, have pushed to have phonics taught to those children needing it (my son) and, as Fairfax County Public Schools have routinely done for decades, permit their children to opt out of Family Life Education.

    As mentioned, my wife and I had to battle to get my son phonics training, after which his reading skills jumped to be equal to or better than his class average. My daughter has never sounded out a word in her life.

    I know many other parents that have needed to push for curriculum changes for their kids.

    1. Fitzgerald is presenting a narrative which is at best marginally connected to facts. Since John Dewey became the “patron saint” of teacher training (empowered by John D Rockefeller’s money) teacher training began a long slow march toward marxist slanted ideologically rich, but competency light training for teachers and they are expected to push students in that same direction. With my sons in the 1980’s my wife and I fought battles with teachers and school administrators (public and private) over poor teaching, substandard curricula and their attempts to assert that indoctrination was the heart of good pedagogy. Finally, we decided to homeschool our sons with more than satisfactory results. One son is an an international economic consultant with a PhD in financial economics. The other holds multiple masters degrees and is a very successful business executive.

      When I was a doctoral candidate in the 1970’s, I asked my committee chair for permission to take courses in the university’s School of Education (I wanted to specialize in teaching rather than research). He refused to sign the documents to allow that course of action. His reasons: 1) the School of Education would destroy my ability to teach, 2) The school was ideological and had no scholarly credibility outside its education school peer bubble and 3) the professors in the schools were miserable scholars and teachers.

      At the risk of offending public school teachers in this audience, my 40 year experience is that with the exception of a small group of “outliers” (who are treasures and often abused by school systems), public school teachers under the age of about 50 are hardly the “best and brightest” of our society.

      In summary, well motivated and moderately well educated parents are indeed the best judges of how their children should be educated.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        As opposed to your unsubstantiated red baiting opining, yes.
        “teacher training began a long slow march toward marxist slanted ideologically rich, but competency light training”. Cites?
        Congratulations. You were involved, but not necessarily anything other than a gadfly.

        1. Look at SOL & SAT trends.

        2. I also plead “lived experience”. If you have sympathies with critical theory, you know that lived experience is much more powerful than citations. BTW, you, Larry and Peter are the preeminent gadflies here. I don’t think I could challenge either of you three.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Yeah, well that makes you an expert in The Differential Calculus then since you weren’t run over by a car the first time you crossed the street by yourself.

          2. I am actually an expert in calculus. I do not subscribe to Critical Theory and don’t subscribe to “lived experience” logic. Simply thought you might, since you have ridiculed people here who disagree with incorporating Critical Theory into K-12 curricula or who object to weaving it into clearly nonpolitical courses

    2. Matt Adams Avatar

      My spelling is awful, some of it my own fault but the “whole word concept” that was instituted and used has not helped me one bit.

  2. Deborah Hommer Avatar
    Deborah Hommer

    You make a good point that theoretically teachers go to school to learn how to teach and they should have the background information to decide which books are better to read in English and what book is better for history, and math, et al. You’re assuming teachers are fulfilling that responsibility and staying in their lane.

    And you bring up a really good point how ignorant society is – many don’t know the issues, don’t know the candidates, and don’t have the knowledge to make sound decisions about candidates. Well, now go read Plato’s Republic, which is why he wanted a limited citizenship. Then read his last book The Laws where he includes so many more citizens and hones in on the virtues and principles versus the broad principles in The Republic. Then think about James Madison and why he proposed The Virginia Plan at the Constitutional Convention of 1787 and don’t forget de Tocqueville.

    This entire situation is not about parents wanting to create a curriculum in the schools. It was during the pandemic – and prior – that all over the U.S. parents were looking over their children’s shoulders and listening to teachers and what they were saying and teaching their students. And what these teachers were saying was shocking to parents. This is about the failure of schools to be teaching the three Rs, et cetera. Instead parents are angered that certain teachers are teaching their kids to look at others on the basis of their race, instead of their character; teaching them historically inaccurate information (my child was given a gimmicky, inaccurate, and poorly written book on the Holocaust as a reading assignment); teaching them that there is no objective truth; and both books in the library and assigned readings for English classes contain explicit sex, graphic violence, offensive and vulgar language.

    Yes, it was John Dewey who brought Hegelian idealism and socialist materialism in public education to create citizens who are collectivist socialists instead of individualists and capitalists. He wanted to create empirical classrooms instead of intellectual thinking individuals – which reading books from our founding and the classics provided, and thus rejecting the Founding Fathers and what this country is based on. The result: we were dumbed down and not as smart as those who were educated prior to the Turn of the Century for those that were educated. Yes, he is responsible in part for the decline in literacy in the U.S. Then there are those who bought into his ill-advised agenda.

    Back to parents – both the Supreme Court and VA § 1-240.1. state that a parent has a fundamental right to make decisions concerning the upbringing, education, and care of the parent’s child.

    Parents understand their responsibilities with regard to their children and are exercising their fundamental rights. Homeschooling has reached an all-time high of 45,000 and the numbers are still growing due to the failures of our public schools. Youngkin winning is a clear statement that parents want teachers to get back to the three Rs and stop indoctrinating our children. If the schools are not going to do their job, we will do what it takes to do it for them – and certainly homeschoolers are excelling all over the U.S. We want our children to be able to think critically and learn facts. It’s mutually exclusive: You can’t buy into this “social justice” agenda propaganda that they’re injecting into every part of the curriculum they can and think critically. It’s one or the other.

    1. YellowstoneBound1948 Avatar
      YellowstoneBound1948

      Deborah, you’ve posted a very fine comment, but you’ve apparently misread Fitzgerald’s opening statement . He says that college prepares the nation’s future teachers to know WHAT to teach. You seem to agree, but I don’t believe that was your intent. No, college prepares the nation’s future teachers to know HOW to teach. Fitzgerald knows that and, if I may be so bold, I find Fitzgerald’s statement one of the most intellectually dishonest statements I have read here.

      I read the rest of Fitzgerald’s article, but it was all downhill.

      1. Joseph Fitzgerald Avatar
        Joseph Fitzgerald

        If I may be so bold, accusation isn’t argument.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar

          Nor is entertaining the idea that teachers are taught what to teach college. They are taught how to instruct, how to generate lesson plans, so on and so forth.

          The VDOE sets proficiencies and standards, local school boards set curriculum and they are voted into their positions by the parents. So the parents do get a say, as they have elected SB members to represent them (core principles of our Nation).

          In VA as well as places like PA, teacher teach to a test (SOL and PSSA respectively). The standardized tests pass rate is how they are viewed within the system. Not that they actually taught their students to do anything but regurgitate that specific information.

          Also, the broad brush statements that people weren’t aware they were part of the process, is just entirely pointless. Also, the notion that people wouldn’t know who our former Governor was vs a new guy is just a deflection along partisan lines making and excuse for a loss.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Admittedly somewhat true. But tell that to a math, physics, or chemistry teacher. Tell them they were only taught to teach, lesson plans, etc., and they are not subject masters if not experts.

            Yeah, sometimes Coach teaches Algebra. But, tell Mr. Whitehead that he’s not an historian.

            No, Matt, they learn their subjects, they learn how to study, AND they learn how to teach. Maybe they don’t get those 54 semester hours in undergraduate math like I did, but teaching majors will get 24 to 30 hours in subject, and som 300/400 level.

            4th papagraph. Bang on! But not their fault, and not the definition of their teaching skill set.

            Sorry for edits, DONE

          2. Matt Adams Avatar

            “Admittedly somewhat true. But tell that to a math, physics, or chemistry teacher. Tell them they were only taught to teach, lesson plans, etc., and they are not subject masters if not experts.”

            Math is a specific class, however it becomes even more specific when you discuss what math. Algebra, Algebra II, Geometry, Pre-Calc, Clac I. Physics at a high school setting is either going to be an intro class or basic broad physics (mechanical and or electrical). Chemistry is again the same, intro or standard chem classes. You seldom see an organic chem class at a high school level, it’s not a competency required. All of that said, it has nothing to do with my statement and to believe they that they aren’t teaching to a syllabus that is pre-approved and based upon a test is just utter idiocy. College doesn’t teach you what to teach, it teaches you how to teach, which is why in most states math teachers if they were math focused have to get additional classes to become a teacher.

            “Yeah, sometimes Coach teaches Algebra. But, tell Mr. Whitehead that he’s not an historian.”

            Coaching sports teams is secondary, it’s additional pay to supplement the horrible pay they get. Also, the quip about Mr. Whitehead is your standard strawman.

            “No, Matt, they learn their subjects, they learn how to study”

            The knowledge of how to study has nothing to do with teaching students or developing a curriculum and as such that statement is a non sequitur.

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            “College doesn’t teach you what to teach, it teaches you how to teach, which is why in most states math teachers if they were math focused have to get additional classes to become a teacher.”

            https://catalog.jmu.edu/preview_program.php?catoid=44&poid=18154

            Mid page…

            Additional Requirements for Students Seeking Secondary Teaching Licensure

            Students seeking secondary teaching licensure must (in addition to the required core courses):

            Complete the 22-24 credit hours that comprise the pre-professional education program in secondary education.
            Complete 12 credit hours of mathematics courses:
            One of MATH 310 or MATH 315
            MATH 415
            MATH 470
            MATH 475
            Students seeking secondary teaching licensure earn the Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Sciences degree and then complete the Master of Arts in Teaching degree.

            It is necessary to be admitted to the teacher education program prior to enrolling in pre-professional education courses. For a full description of the program in secondary education, refer to the College of Education, Department of Middle, Secondary and Mathematics Education.

            DONE

          4. Matt Adams Avatar

            What was the point of that? It says exactly what I stated. That they are required to complete additional course work in education (as in education major track work).

            “Students seeking secondary teaching licensure must (in addition to the required core courses):

            Complete the 22-24 credit hours that comprise the pre-professional education program in secondary education.
            Complete 12 credit hours of mathematics courses:
            One of MATH 310 or MATH 315
            MATH 415
            MATH 470
            MATH 475

            Students seeking secondary teaching licensure earn the Bachelor of Arts or Bachelor of Sciences degree and then complete the Master of Arts in Teaching degree.

            It is necessary to be admitted to the teacher education program prior to enrolling in pre-professional education courses. For a full description of the program in secondary education, refer to the College of Education, Department of Middle, Secondary and Mathematics Education.”

            So what exactly where you trying to illustrate? That I was correct in my statement? I mean, I already knew I was considering I know teachers, they are members of my family and college friends.

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            The degree, Matt, a B.S. in Mathematics with secondary teaching.

          6. Matt Adams Avatar

            Which is what I said pseudonym. The only place you’re going to teach with a pure math degree is college, in high schools that ain’t gonna work. Which is why I said what I said and you seem to have a hard time admitting I was right. Which is just par for the course with you, always assume you’re the smartest in the room. Welp, news flash pops, you ain’t.

          7. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            College teaching with a BS? TA.

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Please tell Mr. James Whitehead, recently of these comments, that he was only taught HOW to teach history, and thus is not also an historian.

      3. Deborah Hommer Avatar
        Deborah Hommer

        Good point. thank you for the clarification!

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    I love the Right. They are incessantly bemoaning the Marxist teachers and the “indoctrination” of public school students and the collapse of democracy and free markets.

    Then they point out how China is kicking our asses. Uh, guys. China’s school system is indoctrination.

  4. tmtfairfax Avatar

    The Party of Choice opposes choice in schools because of the opposition of its biggest campaign contributors — teachers unions. And the opposition also supports religious and ethnic bigotry (anti-Irish and Italian) in the form of the failed Blaine Amendment (federal) and successful state “Blaine Amendments.”

    Virginia has one. E.g,, Virginia Const. Art. VIII, § 10. “No appropriation of public funds shall be made to any school or institution of learning not owned or exclusively controlled by the State or some political subdivision thereof; provided, first, that the General Assembly may, and the governing bodies of the several counties, cities and towns may, subject to such limitations as may be imposed by the General Assembly, appropriate funds for educational purposes which may be expended in furtherance of elementary, secondary, collegiate or graduate education of Virginia students in public and nonsectarian private schools and institutions of learning, in addition to those owned or exclusively controlled by the State or any such county, city or town; second, that the General Assembly may appropriate funds to an agency, or to a school or institution of learning owned or controlled by an agency, created and established by two or more States under a joint agreement to which this State is a party for the purpose of providing educational facilities for the citizens of the several States joining in such agreement; third, that counties, cities, towns and districts may make appropriations to nonsectarian schools of manual, industrial or technical training and also to any school or institution of learning owned or exclusively controlled by such county, city, town or school district.”

    Some bigotry is OK. Just ask the editorial board of the Post.

  5. Fred Costello Avatar
    Fred Costello

    Here is a good reference on this issue: Samuel Blumenfeld and Alex Newman: Crimes of the Educators: How Utopians Are Using Government Schools to Destroy America’s Children. Today’s parents want to be the check and balance on what is being taught. The current system has no check on what is being taught, so the teachers (from pre-K to grad school), administrators, and the book publishers have free rein. For example, Fairfax County has re-instated pornographic books in the elementary-school libraries — so pornographic that they were not allowed on TV. The County dictates over the parents’ objections. Radical teachers go unchecked.

  6. James Kiser Avatar
    James Kiser

    Another idiot speaks the inside the beltway blah,blah.

  7. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Learn only what your parents want you learn, and you’ll know less than they.

    Sadly, Joe, your article makes a terrible 30-second sound bite.

    BTW, how this get published here? It’s reasoned.

    1. Joseph Fitzgerald Avatar
      Joseph Fitzgerald

      Wild-ass guess, Bacon’s trying to draw progressives here so his writers can brainwash them. Or maybe he’s just trying to present opposing views because he’s confident enough of his own that he doesn’t feel threatened. Could go either way.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Hmmm, ….. nah. Unless, by confident, you mean he’ll believe on Wednesday that which he believed on Monday no matter what the Hell happens on Tuesday.

        BTW, What the Hell is that thing in your photo?

        1. Joseph Fitzgerald Avatar
          Joseph Fitzgerald

          Lens flare. My wife likes it. I’m confident of that.

  8. Citizen X Avatar

    The discussion and debate should refocus on school choice more broadly rather than whether parents should have the ‘right’ to design their child’s curriculum unilaterally.

    Parents ought to have the right to choose which public school their child attends with government funding. That is not much different from college students choosing which university they attend with government funding (Stafford Loan, Pell Grant, GI Bill, etc.). The ability to select the school, and possibly even the instructor and courses, indirectly influence how the instructors teach the curriculum due to market pressures of supply and demand for a particular curriculum.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Unless, of course, such broad choice of school creates a segregated system.

      BTW, it’s amazing the number of parents do pick teachers, or try. K-5.

      1. Citizen X Avatar

        It would not become any more ‘segregated’ than college universities where students choose where they go.

        It would not become any more ‘segregated’ than neighborhoods where people get to choose where they live, impacting how ‘segregated’ the local public school they attend is under the current system where the housing address determines which school they attend.

        It would not become any more ‘segregated’ than the health care system, where most people can choose where they receive medical care.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Uh, yeah, it would. College bound is a pretty select group. They consider a much broader set of criteria than K12 that includes, for one, living elsewhere from home.

          Yeah, that whole thing — remember busing?

          1. Citizen X Avatar

            If parents and children could choose their school in primary and secondary education, more schools would emerge within a given radius to attract students. Busing would most likely unify across multiple school systems as a shared service. All the standard objections against school choice are from teacher unions that feel threatened by choice. Their collective bargaining is most effective within a state-managed monopoly that restricts choice.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Yeah, like grocery stores.

          3. how_it_works Avatar
            how_it_works

            The difference being, of course, that you can’t shoplift from a school.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            What school did you go to?

  9. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Mr. Fitzgerald is going to need a box of tissues in November 2023. That is when most school boards statewide will be swept out like ashes at the ballot box. Parents are far more informed than you think and you underestimate what is coming. I welcome it. You are also woefully wrong about James McPherson. The ultimate poser in Civil War scholarship.

  10. Donald Smith Avatar
    Donald Smith

    “They know whether James M. McPherson understands the Civil War era better than the United Daughters of the Confederacy.”

    It’s been decades since the UDC and Lost Cause advocates were the driving forces behind history curricula in Virginia schools. For decades, during Black History Month, we’ve taught students about slavery, whose evils are self-apparent. Mr. Fitzgerald might want to visit the 21st century.

    In recent times—-i.e., now—-too many of these professional teachers, to whose judgements we’re supposed to defer, have been way too open to radical ideas like the 1619 Project and CRT. That’s caused us to lose trust in them.

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