No Fed Return Required, Other Questions Answered

by Steve Haner

There were various factual debates over my post on tax payments yesterday, and these updates are worth special attention. A morning conversation with a certified public accounting familiar with Virginia taxes brought to light the following:

  • If you fail to file a state return by May 1, the six-month extension truly is automatic. Your return is not considered “late” until November. The state doesn’t care. You don’t need to request the extension.
  • If by June 1 the state has received tax payments either equal to what you paid for 2018, or 90% of your eventual 2019 liability, there is no penalty assessed once your return is settled.
  • The issue of interest on late payments will be addressed at the Reconvened General Assembly session on April 22, and it can take action to relieve taxpayers of that concern during this crisis. Our debate may have spurred an announcement on that before the day is done.
  • You do not need to have filed a federal tax return to file your state return, should you choose to. If owed a refund by the state, while owing an additional payment to the feds, file the state return now and the federal return in July. It creates no problem for the state.
  • Virginia is just weeks away from the end of its fiscal year June 30 and is constitutionally barred from deficit spending. Even the General Assembly could not have authorized a delay in the payment deadline beyond June 30 without risking a major financial default. As I’ve been saying with regard to businesses and government, cash flow is crucial.

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10 responses to “No Fed Return Required, Other Questions Answered”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Apparently, the excellent info provided above is already known by tax professionals but has not made it’s way to the general public?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Hell, some of it was news to me. I know you volunteer to help people with returns (good boy) and how have you found general knowledge in this arena?

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    How do we find out things? We have “guidance” from our sponsors, and we are registered to a variety of other entities that provide info and guidance, including the IRS and the Va tax folks… as well as some NGO folks…

    We actually have done Va-only returns – but it has depended on the availability of the Fed ADJ…

    My suspect WAS that one could give an estimated ADJ and go ahead and file and then the state would, at some point, get back and say they had not received your ADJ from the IRS… and… some procedure…

    This is actually one of those significant conformity issues. If Virginia were to de-conform, they’d literally have to reinvent the tax “wheel” for Virginia!

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      I’ve found the Virginia tax folks very reasonable, and I think the GA will be giving them even more leeway for flexibility this year….just kinda got a feeling.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Virginia is caught between – needing the revenues – but not putting additional hardships on folks.. a bit of a tightrope.

  4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Thanks for the original post and update. I had done a preliminary run at my tax returns and now you have inspired me to finish them up and file them.

  5. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    We filed both and the Fed refund was about 4 days later and the State about 7 days.

  6. It was always easy in Va. to get 6 month extension, all you had to do was file for Federal extension. Of course, you still want to pay approx. the amount owed by the due date of the money.

    So they are saying if you file after May 1, it is assumed you are extending. I was planing to do that, so that just means I do not have to file the form for Federal extension, which is nice. I have a little complexity this year so was probably going to extend 6-months in the base case. Still missing some 1099s.

  7. It was always easy in Va. to get 6 month extension, all you had to do was file for Federal extension. Of course, you still want to pay approx. the amount owed by the due date of the money.

    So they are saying if you file after May 1, it is assumed you are extending. I was planing to do that, so that just means I do not have to file the form for Federal extension, which is nice. I have a little complexity this year so was probably going to extend 6-months in the base case. Still missing some 1099Rs.

    On the federal side, I wonder when extension to file is required? Presumably before the new deadline.

  8. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Thanks, Steve. Very helpful to get everything on one page. Good reference when friends ask questions too.

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