New York Times “DEI” Article Prompts Questions About Ryan’s Views

Bert Ellis. Photo credit: New York Times

by James A. Bacon

Kudos to Stephanie Saul for her front-page article in The New York Times this morning. She quotes Bert Ellis and me accurately and in context in an impressively even-handed account of the brewing controversy over Diversity, Equity & Inclusion at the University of Virginia.

Followers of Bacon’s Rebellion will find that the article, which explores DEI issues at UVa through the prism of Ellis’ appointment to the Board of Visitors, covers familiar ground. However, it does contain nuggets of news, mainly by putting UVa President Jim Ryan and other university officials on the record on issues about which they have been largely silent so far.

Most astonishing are the quotes from Ryan, who comes across as totally clueless about the aims of his critics.

James E. Ryan, the university’s president, said he believes the majority of alumni feel the way he does — that diversity is desirable and needed.

“I haven’t heard anyone say we should have a community that is monolithic, unfair and unwelcoming,” he said in an interview.

Mr. Ryan said he wonders about the motives of the critics.

“Whether this is an effort to focus on the aspects of D.E.I. that seem to threaten academic freedom and push toward ideological conformity, or whether it’s an effort to turn back the clock to 1965 — it’s hard to know,” he said in an interview.

It is breathtaking that UVa’s president should have such a skewed conception of what his critics are saying. It suggests that he is not dealing in the realm of reality.

First point: he states that a majority of alumni feel the way he does — that diversity is desirable and needed. The insinuation is that his critics do not believe that diversity is desirable. He has zero justification for such a belief. When he speaks of “diversity,” of course, he is referring to demographic diversity. Ellis and The Jefferson Council support demographic diversity as long as it is consistent with the principle of “equality of opportunity” rather than “equality of outcomes.” The possibility that we have different visions of “diversity” eludes him.

Second point: he states, “I haven’t heard anyone say we should have a community that is monolithic, unfair and unwelcoming.”

That’s true. No one says that. To the contrary, The Jefferson Council’s critique of Ryan’s DEI regime is that it has accelerated UVa’s drift toward intellectual conformity, creating a leftist monolith. By harping on the themes of racial, sexual and gender injustice, the administration has fashioned an environment in which moderate, libertarian and conservative students and faculty members engage extensively in self-censorship and, to borrow a phrase, feel “marginalized,” powerless, and unrepresented within the university community.

Third point: Ryan doesn’t come right out and say explicitly that his critics want to “turn back the clock to 1965,” but he clearly suggests that they might — he finds it “hard to know.”

Our goal at The Jefferson Council is to make the University of Virginia the most exciting place in the 21st-century United States to learn, teach and pursue the creation of knowledge. We believe that creating a suffocating cultural and intellectual climate thoroughly dominated by leftist views about “social justice” is inconsistent with that aim.

Another interesting revelation is a statement by Kevin G. McDonald, the University of Virginia’s vice president for diversity, that UVa’s DEI apparatus numbers only 40 employees — half the number cited in studies by The Heritage Foundation and the Virginia Association of Scholars. This is the first time a university official has publicly uttered such a number, as far as I know. The difference, I suspect, is in how one defines “DEI employee.” We look forward to hearing MacDonald’s presentation to the Board of Visitors on how he came up with that particular number.

Finally, Saul quotes university spokesman Brian Coy as saying that diversity statements are not required. Saul herself notes that several job postings she reviewed do, in fact, ask applicants to submit diversity statements. Likewise, The Jefferson Council has provided documentation that diversity statements are required in job-performance reviews and in student admission applications.

The Jefferson Council would welcome a formal statement from President Ryan that diversity statements are not required in job applications and performance reviews — and to see that policy reflected in actual job postings and performance evaluations.

James A. Bacon is executive director of The Jefferson Council.


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119 responses to “New York Times “DEI” Article Prompts Questions About Ryan’s Views”

  1. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
    Virginia Gentleman

    Perhaps Ryan views the Jefferson Council as irrelevant and a very small subset of the alumni base.

    1. M. Purdy Avatar

      I would venture to say that that’s very likely. I would also venture to say that he’s more focused on running an extraordinarily successful university then spending his time appeasing a group of hard-right alums dangling culture wars as a goal (Yay! Culture wars!). One other point, I wish that Bacon and others would quit playing semantic games with the word “diversity.” As Ryan and most people understand it, especially in higher education, it’s a broad concept that includes racial, gender and socioeconomic diversity. This article says “we’re in favor of diversity,” as long as it means more conservatives and only that. Give it up. Just say, we’re not in favor of diversity as an societal goal.

    2. VaNavVet Avatar

      He seems to have nailed the impression that subset gives to the larger whole.

    3. M. Purdy Avatar

      I would venture to say that that’s very likely. I would also venture to say that he’s more focused on running an extraordinarily successful university than spending his time appeasing a group of hard-right alums dangling culture wars as a goal (Yay! Culture wars!). One other point, I wish that Bacon and others would quit playing semantic games with the word “diversity.” As Ryan and most people understand it, especially in higher education, it’s a broad concept that includes racial, gender and socioeconomic diversity. This article says “we’re in favor of diversity,” as long as it means more conservatives and only that. Give it up. Just say, we’re not in favor of diversity as an societal goal.

      1. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
        Virginia Gentleman

        It is shocking that the JC doesn’t realize their irrelevance in the grand scheme of things from Ryan’s perspective.

        1. M. Purdy Avatar

          Well, they do have a board member! Something tells me that the Virginia Senate won’t make that mistake again, though.

          1. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
            Virginia Gentleman

            So – a post about Bert Ellis donating money to the Spirit of a Virginia gets deleted? What rule did that break?

          2. What you implied after saying he made a contribution made it a personal attack. “That” rule.

          3. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
            Virginia Gentleman

            Thanks but there was no intent to attack Ellis for his political donation. Most BOV appointments donate money before the Governor appoints them. But to suggest that a $10k donation to the Spirit of Va did not have any bearing on his nomination is disingenuous.

          4. VaNavVet Avatar

            It seems that anything critical of the JC is deleted by JAB or the sheriff. Appears that the JC is not at all interested in hearing how they are being perceived outside of their little bubble.

    4. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Or not at all. He says he’s never heard of them.
      “I haven’t heard anyone say we should have a community that is monolithic, unfair and unwelcoming,” he said in an interview.

    5. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      If so, Ryan is myopic. The percentage of UVa alumni who support the thinking of the Jefferson Council is approximately the same as the percentage of Virginians who voted for Glenn Youngkin. At the risk of triggering leftists with remembrances of Nixon / Agnew, there is a silent majority of Virginians who rejected Terry McAuliffe and supported Glenn Youngkin. Whether the members of this majority are participants in the Jefferson Council is irrelevant.

  2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “…with the principle of “equality of opportunity” rather than “equality of outcomes.””

    If the opportunities were indeed “equal”, the outcomes would also be “equal”, statically speaking…

    1. Lefty665 Avatar

      That assumes that abilities are equal. We have had equality of opportunity as the law of the land for almost 60 years. That outcomes have not been equal is evidence that abilities are not equal, statistically (not statically, unless your intent is noise, which seems possible) speaking.

      Justice is continuing to help less able people improve their abilities, not to declare ability immaterial and make all outcomes equal.

      1. M. Purdy Avatar

        I don’t think anyone is actually declaring outcomes should be the same. That’s a strawman.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          Wrong again, your assertions are false. “Equity” of outcomes forces outcomes to be the same. The VDoE policy on equity, now revoked, was that differences in outcome based on several conditions, explicitly including ability, should be eliminated.

          1. M. Purdy Avatar

            So in a article about UVa, which rejects ~85% of students because they’re not qualified, you claim that they adhere to the idea that there must be the same outcome. Hmmm, yeah. Who’s more likely to be right, me or you?

          2. Lefty665 Avatar

            That’s easy, me. The question is what are the standards for graduation. You’re looking in the wrong end of the telescope.

          3. M. Purdy Avatar

            https://college.as.virginia.edu/awardsandhonors Here are some standards for the various graduation awards available. It makes it very clear that only a small number get the awards. Amazing, every time the strawman of DEI means equal outcomes is raised, a simple google search refutes it…

          4. Lefty665 Avatar

            Ha ha, or it does not. VDoEs own policy on equity, web link removed, defined equity as equal outcomes regardless of ability. You can try to dodge that as much as you want, but it is what it is.

            I personally want professionals I deal with to have received their credentials based on their ability rather than zip code, sex, race, national origin or other non ability based “award”.

          5. Lefty665 Avatar

            Here is the report of the President’s “Racial Equity Task Force”. It is more relevant than the general link you provided.

            https://dei.virginia.edu/sites/g/files/jsddwu511/files/2023-01/RETFFinalSigned.pdf

            Please note point 4 that says: “…our student population should strive to reflect the racial and economic demographics of the Commonwealth of Virginia, which will require bold commitments to recruitment and
            retention”

            Nothing in there about ability, it advocates retention based on race, not ability.

            Please also note point 8:
            “Students, faculty, and staff are eager to be courageous and clear in their work to dismantle racist policies and practices in the systems around them but need more anti-racist education…”

            The context for that is Kendi’s racist screed “How to be an Anti-racist” that espouses racial discrimination both present and future, and CRT based assertions of systemic racism.

            So there you have it. UVa “Equity” not based on ability or character but instead focused of the color of peoples skins. Racism pure and simple. The Klan would approve.

          6. M. Purdy Avatar

            And yet, nothing about the same outcomes. Amazing.

          7. Lefty665 Avatar

            Now we’ve come full circle back to the VDoE policy on inclusion whose goal was eliminating differences in outcome based on ability.

            We’re right back where we started with outcomes based on skin color, not ability. Simply racism. Congrats.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “That assumes that abilities are equal.”

        They are… but you know you are saying the quiet part out loud, don’t you…?

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          I’m saying the truth, if that is the “quiet part” it needs to be louder.

          Our schools are not educating kids to be equally able. Hell, many schools are not even teaching kids to read and write.

          There is no hope of making America a better place unless we recognize what is not better. The whole concept of rehabilitation starts with recognizing there is a problem.

          Denial, as you advocate, guarantees people will never get any more able.

    2. Try taking a class. Everyone hears the same lectures, is assigned the same textbook, given the same assignments, etc.

      Do they all spend as much time studying and working on assignments? Do they all absorb and retain equally? Do they all perform as well on tests?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Statistics account for variations in individual performances.

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Statistics account for variations in individual performances.

        1. I don’t need anyone to explain statistics to me. I’ve studied it at the graduate level and understand the concepts quite well.

          Your statement about outcomes being equal is truly absurd.

          Ever been to where that philosophy has been taken to the extreme? I have, and it still didn’t work. I’ve seen it firsthand and could relate examples.

          Below is a link to good article. I recommend reading the entire article, but here are some highlights.

          The Israeli kibbutz movement, born of an exuberant meshing of Marxist and Zionist passions in early 20th-century Europe, …

          From the beginning, however, the pioneers’ attempts to translate their revolutionary ideals of social equality and shared ownership into the language of daily life resulted in some outlandish adaptations. Most notoriously, children in many kibbutzim were raised from six months in communal “children’s houses”

          There was no particular motivation for schooling because the kibbutz guaranteed each member a job, housing, food. In the early days, the kibbutz school system shunned tests and grades altogether. There was suspicion in the kibbutz about intellectuals, and about separating people by degrees of excellence.

          By the 1990s, virtually all kibbutzim had moved toward full-fledged capitalism, establishing individual wages, transferring ownership of the community’s property to individual members, and renting kibbutz facilities to outsiders. In my former kibbutz, a wealthy American recently leased the old children’s house where I grew up, turning it into a luxury apartment, complete with home theatre and a huge Jacuzzi.

          https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/feb/19/kibbutz-child-noam-shpancer

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            DEI is not a financial theory, you know.

          2. My comments are a rebuttal of your statement below.

            “If the opportunities were indeed “equal”, the outcomes would also be “equal”, statically speaking…”

            You are wrong. The example of the kibbutz movement demonstrates the extreme effort to get opportunities to be equal, up to and including child rearing. But the outcomes were not equal.

            Here’s another example from the kibbutz movement. Every member was paid the same and given the exact same housing. Over time, some had nice furnishings, and others did not. They made choices that impacted the outcome.

            People are not machines or computers. People have free will, and make choices. Those choices impact the outcome.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “You are wrong. The example of the kibbutz movement demonstrates the extreme effort to get opportunities to be equal, up to and including child rearing. But the outcomes were not equal.”

            Do you have data to demonstrate that outcomes showed disparate results for different populations?

          4. How about practically every standardized test there is?

            I do not believe any major population is less inherently capable, but tests show that some groups do better.

            It’s not race. It’s culture and dysfunctional families. Those problems are found among all groups, but some in larger proportions than others.

            Culture matters. Some people are brought up to value education more than others. Currently, Asians are disproportionately high achievers as a group.

            Ever visit Booker T. Washington National Monument? His life shows what is possible when education is valued.

            https://www.nps.gov/bowa/index.htm

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Nope, in the Israeli kibbutz movement where you claim they eliminated inequity (or at least tried to). How do the racial disparities we experience in our country compare to theirs? Data showing what you claim (that in the Israeli kibbutz movement “the outcomes were not equal” statistically speaking) would be useful… if you have any.

          6. The statement I originally responded to did not mention race. You made a comment which implied that people are like corks bobbing on the ocean, with no control over where they end up.

            “If the opportunities were indeed “equal”, the outcomes would also be “equal”, statically speaking…”

            The Guardian article has more information if you are interested, but I do not have data.

            I saw and experienced the struggle for equity within the Israeli kibbutz movement myself many years ago when I was there and stayed in one.

            As a follow-up to the furnishing example, here’s what happened when the kibbutz experienced growing inequity of living space within the kibbutz community. The group decided to mandate how much money must be spent on furnishings.

            Well, humans being humans, that didn’t work completely either. Some couples were better at buying and maintaining their furnishings. The result – inequity resurfaced.

            The goal of equity is a lofty idea, but even among groups of voluntary true believers, it doesn’t work. The effort to achieve and maintain it requires increasing amounts of heavy handed rules, and less and less freedom. In the end, it fails anyway.

            Much of the inequity in this country is due to differences in parenting and family culture. Nothing government does will completely overcome that. That is, unless you want your children raised like the Borg. I do not!

            Read for yourself:

            Child of the collective

            Noam Shpancer grew up on a kibbutz in Israel where he was raised by night guards and ‘care-givers’ as part of an effort to demolish the nuclear family. Did it work?

            https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/feb/19/kibbutz-child-noam-shpancer

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            “Much of the inequity in this country is due to differences in parenting and family culture. Nothing government does will completely overcome that.”

            Much of the situation black families find themselves in here in the US was brought about by explicit racial discrimination in the law by the government designed to perpetuate the damage done through slavery and then Jim Crow… the so-called War on Drugs…

            I don’t believe anyone one is actually looking for perfect equity but a few steps in that direction is called for.

            I read your article, and it was very interesting. Not unlike some of the communes that cropped up in the US in the 60s and 70s. Again, no one seems to actually be seeking that sort of extreme equity nor does it show what you claim in terms of inequity in outcome… they seem to be uniformly poor. But a fascinating read nonetheless.

          8. “Much of the situation black families find themselves in here in the US was brought about by explicit racial discrimination in the law by the government designed to perpetuate the damage done through slavery and then Jim Crow… the so-called War on Drugs…”

            A fan of wacky conspiracy theories I see.

            “…they seem to be uniformly poor.”

            Yes, universal poverty was the inevitable end result for the Marxist kibbutz movement. The inequity along the way was something I witnessed myself about 40 years ago.

            BTW – poverty is also the end result for countries that go down that path.

            Look at a timeline of Venequela GDP and take a wild guess when Nicolás Maduro came to power.

            Venezuela: Gross domestic product (GDP) in current prices from 1986 to 2023

            https://www.statista.com/statistics/370937/gross-domestic-product-gdp-in-venezuela/

          9. DEI is not a financial theory, you know.

            Really? Then what’s the point of it?

          10. Its roots go back to Marxism.

            “The Equity Delusion and Its Marxist Roots”

            https://www.realcleareducation.com/articles/2023/02/10/the_equity_delusionand_its_marxist_roots_110821.html

          11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Fairness and justice…

          12. Fairness and justice…

            What kind of fairness and justice?

          13. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Fair and just kind.

          14. Lefty665 Avatar

            It is a financial theory for Kendi, Hannah-Jones and for $10M a year at UVa.

    3. Eric the half a troll said:
      If the opportunities were indeed “equal”, the outcomes would also be “equal”, statically speaking…

      So every athlete who hasn’t done as well as Lebron James or Tom Brady has been discriminated against?

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        The point of statistics is that individuals cases are not relevant.

        1. Any way you cut it, people have varying degrees of ability and motivation. Hard work is a choice not factored into your model.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Unless you would like to contend that “hard work” has a racial component to it, it is indeed factored into my model.

          2. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            The NBA is 73+% Black. I don’t see that as anti-White prejudice. Do you?

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Perhaps, given that the NHL is 98% white…

          4. It is DEI proponents themselves who are contending that “hard work” has a racial component, not Nathan or me.

            I have a copy of a poster from them which specifically makes the claim that the idea that “hard work is the key to success” is an “Aspect & Assumption of Whiteness & White Culture in America”.

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Not sure what is so hard about this concept. If you wish to claim that the racial disparities we see in income and employment are not due to long term policies and institutional barriers that perpetuate those disparities but are instead are explained by “hard work” then you are, by definition, saying “hard work” is racially centered.

          6. Lefty665 Avatar

            A lot of Korean small business owners would argue that “hard work” is the basis of their success. Many latinos would too, as does white culture. However, there is one cultural group that seems to have adopted looting as a vehicle to get to the great American dream.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Well looks like, based on these two charts, that blacks are “working harder” by closing the HS graduation gap but still trailing well (with hispanics) in income. Seems like maybe these data are pointing to other forces at play than simply “hard work”… https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e0e06a4be8d59f766a1951cda08bc881250ad8aeb3b69b4c881c2a5da4cf371f.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6aca3fc5ebb0b92ef0b34047c300686adfe7b1788ea6ae707cceb445b05e8d75.jpg

          8. Lefty665 Avatar

            Maybe those graphs say more about the effects of “equity” on graduation rates and that income is a better measure of “ability”.

            Your comparison is apples to oranges too, a staple of trolling. There is no indication that the income graph is adjusted to account for higher incomes due to college education. It may well be that there is little to no income gap comparing all people with high school educations or comparing all people with college.

            Also note that the income data is a decade old and the graduation graph is only a little newer. Wonder what the numbers have shown more recently?

            Buggy whip manufacturers would have reigned supreme in 1905 but car horns would have largely caught up by 1915. As the world changes graphs follow.

          9. Its not a hard concept at all. The leaders of the DEI movement claim that hard work is a characteristic of “whiteness”.

            I heartily and thoroughly disagree with them.

          10. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            So you are then agreeing that “hard work” does not explain the disparities we see between the races in income and employment.

          11. It’s shouldn’t be racial, but that’s the kind of poison being taught to people these days.

            Look for yourself.

            In Smithsonian Race Guidelines, Rational Thinking and Hard Work Are White Values

            A graphic displayed in the guidelines, entitled “Aspects and Assumptions of Whiteness in the United States,” declares that rational thinking and hard work, among others, are white values.

            In the section, Smithsonian declares that “objective, rational, linear thinking,” “quantitative emphasis,” “hard work before play,” and various other values are aspects and assumptions of whiteness.

            https://www.newsweek.com/smithsonian-race-guidelines-rational-thinking-hard-work-are-white-values-1518333

          12. That’s the poster I have.

  3. David Wojick Avatar
    David Wojick

    Unfortunately it is normal practice to misstate the opponent’s views as simple minded errors. This common fallacy is called a strawman argument. Ryan’s is extreme.

    1. M. Purdy Avatar

      Let’s apply that both ways, then. The anti-DEI crusade is filled with strawman arguments. It may be its defining characteristic, in fact.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        You can assert any darn foolish thing you want, that does not make it so.

        1. M. Purdy Avatar

          But please, keep referring to people who support DEI as racists.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            I will, because they are. They are no better then the Klan in days of yore.

            I encourage you to reject racism and get on the side of the angels by denouncing Kendi and his illegal advocacy of discrimination.

      2. David Wojick Avatar
        David Wojick

        Yes it is normal practice on all sides of political debates. A fascinating feature of political issues is that people have very strong opinions about things they know very little about. I think it was Mencken who said something like Democracy is the collective wisdom of individual ignorance. Works for me.

        1. M. Purdy Avatar

          Ha, I love Mencken.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      That’s why I read BR, for the fantasy.

      1. David Wojick Avatar
        David Wojick

        And it is why I read WashPo and the NYT.

    3. There’s another name for it when done to this extreme. It’s called lying.

      Public university presidents shouldn’t be overtly partisan. They should try to respect the diversity of views amoung the citizenry who pay his salary.

      1. David Wojick Avatar
        David Wojick

        I doubt it is lying in most cases. In complex issues people have great difficulty understanding views that are very different from their own. Misconstruing one’s opponent is exceedingly common. Lying not so much.

        1. I find it hard to believe someone in his position is so sheltered from criticism so as to not even comprehend the issues.

          1. David Wojick Avatar
            David Wojick

            I have worked with a lot of top executives and they are typically dealing with so many different issues that their understanding of any is very limited. In fact I coined the phrase “simple enough that an Admiral can get it” not because Admirals are stupid rather because they only have a few minutes per issue.

          2. I worked in Higher Education and have experienced something similar. On occasion a decision would be made that was so irrational, only someone with a PhD could have made it.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar

            Since Rickover and Inman Admirals seem to make flag more by being members of the club than by being particularly bright.

          4. Lefty665 Avatar

            Since Rickover and Inman Admirals seem to make flag more by being members of the club than by being particularly bright.

            I’d wager you’re considerably brighter than the run of the mill Admiral.

  4. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    Jim, keep up the good work. Maybe when Ryan feels enough heat, he will see the light. The DEI bureaucracy will undermine the principles that Jefferson held and the benefits of a society that welcomes and promotes competition.

    1. M. Purdy Avatar

      Yeah, sure. He’s the most popular president in ages, but I’m sure this blog will force him to resign.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        We can always hope for good outcomes.

        1. M. Purdy Avatar

          Indeed, he’s gotten plenty of good outcomes.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            But not the best one, resignation and take his woke racist CRT/DIE entourage with him.

      2. William O'Keefe Avatar
        William O’Keefe

        Kind of snarky! If enough people hold similar views, they become a self fulfilling prophecy. At least Jim is doing something.

  5. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    “The possibility that we have different visions of “diversity” eludes him.”

    This thought from Mr. Bacon captures the essence of the debate. I suspect it will be a long debate too. I keep thinking back to these two men who had competing ideologies for equality. Over the course of decades there were times when Booker T. was right and there were times that WEB was right. Don’t forget the third alternative presented by a fellow named Marcus. Maybe it’s time to separate.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/e94bc3a09fa3475a8337afff86e9fede8c3e95c9f86214dc21b9d46ce97115c1.jpg

    1. Booker T has fallen out of favor of late. He doesn’t hate and blame white people enough. I seriously doubt he would agree with the portrayal of what is said to constitute “whiteness” these days.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Washington’s industrial schools educated the hand with job skills, which led to lifting thousands out of poverty, and created a black middle class amidst the Jim Crow south. The trade off was accommodation. It was a good trade for the time.

        1. Not Today Avatar
          Not Today

          The operative words being for the time. People want more today, as they should, I agree.

  6. James C. Sherlock Avatar
    James C. Sherlock

    Excellent interview and article, Jim. I too found the NYT article balanced.

    You know you have done well when the progressive cabal in this comments section builds a Terracotta Army, but out of straw, and burns them all down.

    1. M. Purdy Avatar

      “Balanced” in that it didn’t bring up any of the bad stuff you don’t want brought up.

  7. Lefty665 Avatar

    “an effort to turn back the clock to 1965”

    Perhaps it would not be all bad to return to those halcyon days when joy in the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were shiny and new, evidence of our national commitment to equality of opportunity and full participation by all in our nations governance and life. It was a time when the country was embracing Dr. King’s dream that his daughters would be judged on the content of their characters and not the color of their skins. It was a time of hope, joy and a vision of a better America.

    What a change that would be from today’s woke racist DIE environment at UVa and many other places that view everything through the lens of race. Ryan and others need to reject Kendi’s unlawful assertion that “the remedy for past discrimination is current discrimination, and the remedy for current discrimination is future discrimination.” They could also embrace Thurgood Marshall’s and John Robert’s advice that the way to eliminate discrimination is to stop discriminating.

    It would also be a time before Ryan was even a gleam in his daddy’s eye and he had not had the opportunity to enshrine woke racist DIE at UVa.

    1. M. Purdy Avatar

      So yeah, Ryan was right is what your’e saying.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        Not quite, I encourage you to work on your reading comprehension.

        The woke racist DIE policies Ryan is pursuing today are absolutely wrong. 1965 was a time of hope and the blossoming of a vision for a better America, and before he was born.

  8. Wahoo'74 Avatar
    Wahoo’74

    Excellent article, Jim. President Ryan’s reference to 1965 is of course not a coincidence. That was the year the Civil Rights Act was passed, ending the Jim Crow era and state mandated institutional segregation. His insinuation is The Jefferson Council and alumni who dissent from his DEI orthodoxy want a return to a whites only UVA. That is not only factually incorrect, but typical of the Left who label any who disagree with them as racist white supremacists.

    1. M. Purdy Avatar

      Yeah, racism magically disappeared after the law was passed. It was a wonderful time.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        Yet after nearly 60 years of progress the Dems have re-embraced racism with woke racist CRT/DIE and now resemble the pre Civil Rights Act Klan. Whod’a guessed the party would become so perverted?

        The Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act have both been in effect for Ryan’s entire lifetime. His embrace of woke racism, CRT/DIE is a perfect example of the failure of laws to bring change throughout society. I wonder if Ryan and Northam keep their sheets and hoods in the same closet.

        1. M. Purdy Avatar

          Keep saying it and eventually it becomes true.

          1. Lefty665 Avatar

            Haha, copying my response to your confabulation. Only there’s a difference, what I am saying is true, and yours is still made up. Nice try but no cigar.

            Racists are as racists do.

    2. You mean the Democratic Party created, supported, and promoted ‘Jim Crow’ era……
      Let’s be accurate.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Actually White Southerners from both parties created, supported, and promoted “Jim Crow” and then after the passage of Civil Right legislation to stop it, migrated to friendlier territory on the Right.

        1. Lefty665 Avatar

          There were damn few Repubs in the south until the Civil Rights laws. You cannot diffuse the fact that segregation and discrimination were solid, longstanding Southern Democratic Party values. They got better after 1964 and the Repubs embraced the detritus, but the history before that is clear.

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Let us not forget the Wormley Compromise of 1877…. then there is of course the Lily White Movement… so while, yes, the Democrats of the day enacted Jim Crow, White men in both parties share in the blame…

          2. Lefty665 Avatar

            Indeed they do.

            While citing history, it is good also to remember that unpleasantness in the 1860s when the Republicans freed the slaves and abolished slavery while the Democrats resisted.

          3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Indeed, I am sure many BR posters will not let us forget their forefathers’ roles in that process.

          4. Lefty665 Avatar

            Again you’re still just trying to distract attention away from the history of the party you prefer. That’s really pretty foolish.

          5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Sorry, but I don’t prefer that version of the Democratic Party. That is why I support removing memorials that attempt to honor it. That position is far from foolish, imo.

          6. Lefty665 Avatar

            Be that as it may, and I’m not a fan of those Dems either, although I don’t give much of a D about memorials. Your comments have all been to deflect from unambiguous history.

            Own up to the fact that Southern Dems were in the drivers seat. If you don’t like what they did, reject it. Don’t get all mealy mouthed (current vernacular is whataboutism) with “the other guys did it too”.

          7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Already have rejected it. I am happy that Southern Democratic Party is no more. Pointing out that Jim Crow was supported by Southern Whites regardless of party is not whataboutism, however. It is an accurate statement. As is citing the fact that the these same Southern White Democrats found a new home in the Republican Party.

          8. Pointing out that Jim Crow was supported by all Southern Whites regardless of party is not whataboutism, however.

            It’s also not true.

          9. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Of course it’s not true. The “carpetbaggers”, so maligned by Virginia’s Plantation Elite, tried to push Virginia in the right direction. The Readjusters wrote the state constitution of 1870, a remarkably fair document for its time. Then, the Democrats regained power after the “carpetbaggers” left. The result was the absolutely atrocious 1902 state constitution, written by native-born Virginians of the racist Democratic Party. That abomination of a state constitution would last until 1971 when pressure from the federal government forced a new state constitution to be written.

          10. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            Ok, I removed the word “all”….

    3. Lefty665 Avatar

      Actually, the Civil Rights Act was passed in 1964. The Voting Rights Act was passed in 1965. The Fair Housing Act was passed in 1967.

    4. VaNavVet Avatar

      “Racist white supremacists” is going a bit too far as they are most likely just misguided activists trying to recapture their past glories. Now if they marched on the grounds during the “unite the right” rally that is another thing.

    5. With a little research, the actual voting record for both Houses of Congress shows that the Civil Rights Act of 1964 passed the Senate on a 73-to-27 vote. The Democratic supermajority in the Senate split their vote 46 (69%) for and 21 (31%) against. The Republicans, on the other hand, split their vote 27 for (82%) and 6 against (18%). Thus, the no vote consisted of 78% Democrats. Further, the infamous 74-day filibuster was led by the Southern Democrats, who overwhelmingly voted against the act.

      An examination of the House vote shows a similar pattern. The House voted 290 to 130 in favor. Democrats split their vote 152 (61%) to 96 (39%) while Republicans split theirs 138 (80%) to 34 (20%). The no vote consisted of 74% Democrats. Clearly, the 1964 Civil Rights Act could not have been passed without the leadership of Republicans such as Everett Dirksen and the votes of Republicans.

      https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB1041302509432817073

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    I found this quote from an interview done some years back. I’m trying to trace it to the guy who said it. I think he’s some big mucky-muck in Virginia politics.

    “So, we felt that one of the big steps we needed to take was to make diversity and inclusion not a program at Carlyle but to embed it in the way we think about how to grow Carlyle. We were really fortunate, gosh a year and a half ago now to be able to bring in just a rock star Chief Diversity Inclusion Officer, a woman named Kara Helander, and she joined us and really we’ve just systematically gone through our whole firm and spent time thinking about how to do a much better job at this.“

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Gosh.

    2. Virginia Gentleman Avatar
      Virginia Gentleman

      What happened to that guy? He would make a great Governor – oh wait.

  10. We still do not know what role (if any) DEI administrators had in UVA’s failure to take effective action to prevent a shooting that was clearly preventable. Some saw something and said something. UVA did essentially nothing.

    We need to know why. Where’s the report we were promised? How long should this take?

  11. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “A fan of wacky conspiracy theories I see…”

    Not at all:

    “You want to know what this [war on drugs] was really all about? The Nixon campaign in 1968, and the Nixon White House after that, had two enemies: the antiwar left and black people. You understand what I’m saying?

    We knew we couldn’t make it illegal to be either against the war or black, but by getting the public to associate the hippies with marijuana and blacks with heroin, and then criminalizing both heavily, we could disrupt those communities. We could arrest their leaders, raid their homes, break up their meetings, and vilify them night after night on the evening news.

    Did we know we were lying about the drugs? Of course we did.”

    ~ John Ehrlichman, Assistant to the President for Domestic Affairs under President Richard Nixon

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