More Transparency for Police Shooting Incidents

Body cam image from the Marcus-David Peter incident, one of Virginia’s more notorious recent police shooting incidents.

by James A. Bacon

In the wake of the police killing of George Floyd in Minnesota, black politicians in Virginians are calling for changes to the criminal justice system. Maybe the problems that plague the Minneapolis police force bedevil police departments in the Old Dominion, maybe they don’t — I don’t know. Are police in Virginia allowed to use the same kind of knee-on-neck choke-hold that resulted in Floyd’s death?

I’d understand the calls for reform if they bore some resemblance to the action that triggered the outrage, protests and violence sweeping the nation.  But politicians aren’t demanding the abolition of choke-holds as a policing tactic. They’re advocating the same things they were demanding before the Floyd killing.

“We must commit to criminal justice reforms that center training in bias, crisis de-escalation and intervention practices for law enforcement and the criminal justice system,” said Sen. Jennifer McClellan, D-Richmond, according to Virginia Public Media. “We must create and enforce methods of review and transparency in investigations of misconduct at all levels.”

Despite my reservations, I do believe in openness and transparency, And, therefore, there is at least one idea in circulation that I think might have merit: creating more transparency into the official investigations of police killings.

In 2018, according to the latest Crime in Virginia report, there were 28 police “shooting” incidents in which people were killed or injured. One obvious point arises. As we have learned from the highly publicized incidents from Freddie Grey to George Floyd, not all deaths result from the discharge of firearms.

My first suggestion would be to expand the collection of data to encompass all deaths stemming from police actions.

My second suggestion would be to append data to the State Police Report listing the race/ethnicity of the victim, so the public can ascertain the extent to which blacks are disproportionately victims of police violence, as well as the ethnicity of the police officer. Not all cops who shoot people are white. A third suggestion would be to append, possibly in a separate report, a description of the circumstances in which the killing occurred.

Thus, in the highly publicized case of Marcus David L. Peters, an unarmed black man who was shot and killed by Richmond Police in 2018, it might be useful for people to know that Peters had lost control of his vehicle, crashed, fled naked, and charged a police officer; that a police officer tried to tase him but his weapon misfunctioned; and that only then did he fire his gun. My fourth suggestion would be to make public the findings of the internal investigations into the incident, along with any evidence considered so people can draw their own conclusions.

As it turns out, every police shooting incident in 2019 was judged to be “justified,” according to the Crime in Virginia report. One hundred percent justified. That’s a remarkable track record.  Perhaps Virginia police are superbly well trained, cool under pressure, and rarely make mistakes. Alternatively, perhaps police investigators look after their own.

Look, I appreciate that the police face pressures that the rest of us cannot understand. They’re human like anyone else. They make errors of judgment like anyone else. But unlike your standard bureaucratic state employee, they have the power of life and death, and their actions warrant closer scrutiny and transparency.

I acknowledge the risk of giving citizens some level of oversight. In our hyper-polarized era, we would run the risk of the investigations getting politicized. But in the long run, I think justice is best served by openness and transparency.


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34 responses to “More Transparency for Police Shooting Incidents”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    So I’d ask how come body cameras can be turned off and also why the footage is not released right away as an ironclad policy, no exceptions.

    There apparently was a struggle prior to the choke-hole and the media is saying that onlooker videos did not show it – but the officers bodycam almost surely did – and it actually may have shown some mitigating issues.

    The problems start when the incident occurs and the police more often than not delay release of the body-cams… UNLIKE what the Atlanta police did last night – they released the body cam within hours…

    The stated and implied premise is that the police have to handle all kinds of situations that do require force sometimes and that for some reason – showing what actually happened is not a good policy and if it is imposed on the police -that they will have trouble recruiting and retaining police… that speaks volumes…

    1. idiocracy Avatar
      idiocracy

      It’s 2020 and biggest, richest (or close to it) county in VA, Fairfax, still doesn’t have body cameras deployed dept-wide.

  2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Charging Chauvin under Minnesota’s 3rd Degree Murder statute makes sense to me. Third degree murder is found in only a few states. In Minnesota and in the Common Law, it is often referred to as “Depraved Heart Murder.” “Without intent to effect the death of any person, caus[ing] the death of another by perpetrating an act eminently dangerous to others and evincing a depraved mind, without regard for human life.” Clearly, to me, Chauvin acted with a depraved heart. (While I cannot remember who taught me criminal law, he obviously must have done a fairly decent job as I still remember the 3rd degree murder material.)

    I suspect the results of Mr. Floyd’s autopsy will complicate prosecution on the issue of causation. Preliminary autopsy reports found no indication that Floyd died of strangulation or traumatic asphyxia, but that the combined effects of being restrained, underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, and potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death. I don’t practice criminal law, but the fact of the restraint on Floyd would seem to be material.

    Floyd’s family is seeking a second autopsy by an independent doctor. I have no idea how that works in a criminal prosecution. Maybe it’s good that the District Attorney added manslaughter as a separate charge. Absent something compelling, Chauvin should be convicted of something based on his conduct.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      TMT – got a view as to whether the other police should be charged and with what?

      1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        I’ve been thinking about that for some time. Clearly, the three other officers should have intervened. This is not like the Seinfeld finale where the four friends go to jail for laughing at a person in trouble. The cops have a sworn duty to enforce the law even against another officer. Maybe even more in that instance.

        I’m not sure it’s a 3rd degree murder or manslaughter charge as accomplices, especially with the autopsy results.

    2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      “Preliminary autopsy reports found no indication that Floyd died of strangulation or traumatic asphyxia, but that the combined effects of being restrained, underlying health conditions, including coronary artery disease and hypertensive heart disease, and potential intoxicants in his system likely contributed to his death.”

      I thought he was far younger, but still:

      Sorry, very hard to believe there is no case for 1st. Look at the complete tape of what happened. All the chances to save this man, yet even apparent death did not free him from abuse. Why trust autopsy at this point, given all history of this crew and what transpired on scene. Do independent autopsy. Then let jury decide.

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        Now, autopsy people are backing off, it appears. This has all the signs to me of the first degree murder of Mr. Floyd.

  3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Congress passed, Clinton signed a law requiring PDs to report and make public records of all police shooting. It may have also had provisions to report tazing too.

    To date, no PD nor State has complied.

    1. idiocracy Avatar
      idiocracy

      Another law not worth the paper it’s written on. One way to make a law like this have some teeth is to tie it to Federal funding. No report? Funds are cut.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Exactly the situation. The law had no provision for enforcement, so no one bothered.

    2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      Didn’t know that. Either follow the law or repeal it.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Virginia has a law against adultery. The last time it was used was 2008(3?) on a lawyer who paid $250 fine and chose not to appeal. I think at one time he was a CA in Lurray. I think Lawrence v Texas pretty much obliterated all such laws but they keep them on the books… never know who you’ll need to embarrass.

        1. idiocracy Avatar
          idiocracy

          There are a number of laws on the books that I am fairly certain are only enforced against someone who gets on the wrong side of a bureaucrat.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Yeah, the entire chapter on the ABC. Want to control a nightclub? Have a clear ton of regulations on tables. Size, shape, number of legs, material, etc.

            Oh, and women’s reproductive rights? Unreasonable restrictions on clinics.

          2. idiocracy Avatar
            idiocracy

            You may or may not recall the case of Rack ‘n’ Roll Billiards in Manassas Park, whereupon the owner (who has since left Virginia–probably a wise decision) apparently did something to bring the wrath of ABC upon him. I suspect it had something to with getting on the wrong side of Mayor Boss Hogg.

  4. vaconsumeradvocate Avatar
    vaconsumeradvocate

    We need to really listen to our brown and black neighbors, colleagues, acquaintances. Several black males I know well and think highly of have made strong statements about their experiences throughout their lives. Racism still exists in Virginia today.

    We’ve got to truly hear what the foundational issues are and address them. To date, we’ve not done that. We’ve not found effective ways to get rid of racial housing discrimination, to give people the support they need to achieve their American Dreams, to really operate our society so that everyone has a fair chance to succeed based on their hard work.

    Too many folks look at this as win-lose and cannot find win-win. So afraid they will end up in the no-win position, trade positions with those who long have been disenfranchised, it seems impossible to give an inch, fearing that could lead to losing everything. As along as we think this way, things will not change.

    Granted there are some on all sides of this issue who are not sincere and are not willing to be responsible or to share; they want it all. That cannot keep us from seeking a genuine opportunity for all to achieve their American Dream, to supporting/empowering others seeking what we seek instead of holding back those we fear will take what we want.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      That is my view also. I am not black and I do not walk in their shoes but I certainly should listen to them and if the black community is not happy about something as a race.. we need to listen..

      Poll after Poll on racial issues when it breaks down to the race of the respondents shows a significant difference of views… We can either recognize it or just continue to deny it.

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      This morning I e-mailed a friend of mine who is black and asked him if he had ever been harassed by police on account of his race. With his permission, here is his reply (slightly edited to protect his identity):

      “Have I ever been bothered or harassed by police because of my race? YES..on multiple occasions, in multiple localities. I will give you the most recent example that occurred about 2 years ago here in the City of Richmond, I remember it very vividly….I was driving home from choir practice one night when I passed a police car that was traveling in the opposite direction. It’s sad to say but true, but when I pass a police car the first thing I do is look in the rear view mirror and sure enough, in this case, the police car did a u-turn and was now following me. At the time I was on the phone with [my wife] and I told her the police were following me and subsequently turned on their flashers. I told [her] I was going to put the phone down because the officers were approaching my car. Two officers came up to my car, one on the driver side and one on the passenger side. The officer that approached my driver side window said they noticed that my “rear brake light was out”. He asked for my drivers license and registration, then he asked me to get out of the car. I got out of the car, and one officer stood beside me and tried to engage in small talk, while the other searched the inside of my car, including a thorough search of my car ashtray. I was furious but I couldn’t show any emotion as I didn’t want to provoke them in any way. This is just one instance, it’s not the only one…”

  5. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Jennifer McClellan, in her comment that Jim seems to dismiss, touched on one issue that needs emphasizing–de-escalation. This is especially true when mental health issues are involved, as they were in Virginia’s Marcus Peters case. From what I read of the George case, he resisted getting into the police car, claiming he was claustrophobic. His resistance resulted with him being thrown to the sidewalk with a knee on his neck. There must be a way for law enforcement to deal with people suffering from mental illness without those people ending up dead.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      well.. it looks like in those situations – they often do end up dead…or savaged… police are not really trained to deal with these kinds of issues.. it’s above their pay grade.

      In fact, black folks say they have to train their kids how to properly react to police and not end up beaten up or dead.

      Having ‘The Talk’: Expert Guidance On Preparing Kids For Police Interactions

      https://www.npr.org/local/309/2019/08/27/754459083/having-the-talk-expert-guidance-on-preparing-kids-for-police-interactions

    2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      Yes, I heard same speculation as to Floyd resisting. But I see absolutely no way this Floyd case can be anything other than murder in the first degree. Why no charge at all for so long? Why now no first degree charge? This is egregious in the extreme.

  6. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I like Jim’s idea for transparency. There should be a state law requiring every local police department, including those sheriffs with law enforcement duties, to have a civilian review board.

    1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      Agree. And the deck should not be stacked with people’s agendas whatever they may be. Having a review board that has no credibility in the community or important subsections is no better than having no review board at all.

      It takes self discipline but playing it straight is a very valuable community service.

      And FDR was right when he said labor unions have no place in the public sector. What will candidates do get the endorsement of the local police union?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        most (all?) country sheriffs are elected… right?

        1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
          TooManyTaxes

          All, I believe.

          I have no problem with people joining unions of their free choice and unions acting to make sure their members get a fair hearing. But if unions are keeping bad cops on the payroll, isn’t that too much for society to have to accept.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            There are no real uniform standards for what is “bad”..it varies all over the place with different departments AND it’s almost never made public so that the public knows what is and what is not acceptable behavior and how such behaviors are adjudicated, etc..etc.

            This is with and without unions… Dem or GOP mayors or Governors as far as I know.

            For instance with the Minneapolis Police – we have no idea what their standards are – and clearly in this case, despite a dozen or more negative reports, he was still not only a full time cop but apparently a senior in a leadership position so that other cops did not feel they could order him to cease or pull him off.

            If someone can point to a GOP-led city or GOP-led state that has more and better transparency, stricter police policies AND less incidents where blacks are harmed.. let’s see it and let’s give credit for it and let’s let it be a model for the places that have not changed.

          2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
            TooManyTaxes

            The issue is not other cities. It’s the City of Minneapolis where the city ignored a cop who had what I thought was 14 complaints (but now alleged to be as many as 18) complaints in 19 years on the police force. It’s a city that pats itself on the back for being progressive and, indeed, woke that doesn’t walk its talk.

            Kneeling on a person’s neck violates human decency and any standard of civil behavior. This is not a case of self defense or defending another person. Floyd was resisting so there is reason to restrain him. But that did not require kneeling on his neck for 8 or 9 minutes. Irrespective of whether this caused his death from a medical standpoint, it’s still absolutely wrong.

            Any officer (or any person) can flip out and do something outrageous — even kill someone. Police chiefs and elected officials cannot be expected to predict freak incidents. But they sure as hell can predict a cop with somewhere between 14 and 18 complaints will likely do something wrong. The City of Minneapolis had enough information to have removed Chauvin from the police force. But they didn’t. And George Floyd is dead because of that failure to take action. In any decent world, the Mayor and the Police Chief should resign. And ditto for the next city or county that ignores evidence of a bad cop.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            TMT – what has happened in Minneapolis has also happened in most every other American cities before Minneapolis and it’s the same problem – policies that do not identify bad cops until after they have harmed or killed someone no matter who has been Mayor or Governor.

            This time it’s Minneapolis. Last year it was another city – the only common factor is that police departments across the country have this problem. This time it was Minneapolis.

          4. TooManyTaxes Avatar
            TooManyTaxes

            Larry, that’s the problem. Local governments are not doing their jobs of identifying and firing bad cops. I’m not talking a cop who gets a complaint or an officer with a stellar record suddenly goes oft the map. Chauvin had 18-19 complaints and two letters of reprimand in 19 years. Yet, the City did not get rid of him. I don’t care if it’s unions or campaign contributions or what. A person like Chauvin cannot be allowed to carry a badge and a gun.

            I grew up in St. Paul right across the Mississippi River from Minneapolis. This murder hits close to home.

            We can have all the frigging programs in the world but if cities, counties, towns and boroughs don’t do their job, there will be more and more of these despicable murders. This is not something that governor, senators or presidents can fix. It has to be fixed at the local level. And people who don’t fix these things need to resign from government. They need to be shamed. With the two autopsies now agreeing, there’s no doubt Chauvin caused Floyd’s death.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            I do not disagree with you but I don’t think it is any different in Minneapolis – it’s the same problem that the Mayor is not able rein in the Police Dept… it’s that way across the country… because the Police Dept is most places lasts beyond the term of the Mayor – no matter what their political stripes are.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    The standard advice from many police is this: ” if you want us to keep us safe, stay out of our knickers and let us do that job”.

    Police, an individuals, have an awesome amount of power and authority delegated to them – and for some of them – it’s too much for them to do right and the problem is, we really have no way to find them and weed them out other than some egregious incident that occurs in a public way.

    We DO NEED them to “keep us safe” but right now it comes at a terrible cost – when you ask black people if they fear the police – they do – make no mistake – ask them if you have friends and they’ll tell you.

    If you don’t have black friends.. read the polls.. not just one..several… they all say the same thing.

  8. I am working on getting the details of the 28 officer-involved shootings.

  9. Acbar Avatar

    Still waiting for the federal Park Police and the FBI to show some transparency in the shooting of an unarmed driver on the GW Parkway in 2017. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Bijan_Ghaisar

  10. Of the 28 officer-involved shootings in 2019 in Virginia, 14 of the people shot were white; 6, black; 1 Cambodian; and 7, those whose race could not be determined. Of those killed, 11 were white; 2, black; and 1 person whose race could not be determined. The others were injured but not killed.
    If the person did not the attack police, there would have been only two incidents. In neither case, was the person killed. Those killed by police would be much fewer in number if people learned not to attack the police. You can see the data at http://fcta.org/Pubs/Reports/2020-06b-fac.pdf.

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