More TJ Students Students Are Dropping Out

by Asra Nomani

For months now, parents and community members have been hearing distressing stories about how educrats failed students in their rush to fill the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology Class of 2025 through lower academic admissions standards hastily implemented in December 2020.

The school started a new remedial Algebra 1 after-school program and the school is seeing Class of 2025 students dropping out at an alarming rate, by most accounts because they weren’t prepared academically for the rigorous coursework.

My data analysis: Record numbers of freshmen students fleeing TJ

For example, in data that I pulled from the school district’s official website, the school district reported that of the 550 students admitted in the Class of 2025, the school started off — first of all — with only 541 students in September 2021.

One student from the Class of 2025 left the school in October. Two students left in November. Another four students left in December. One more departed in January, with two more leaving in February and then another two more saying goodbye to TJ in March, bringing the Class of 2025 to 529 students.

That’s 12 students who dropped out of the school to return to their base school, most likely. The number may not seem large but consider that only one student dropped out the entire year before from the Class of 2024.

Now, courtesy of the Fairfax County Association for the Gifted, a nonprofit advocating for advanced academic students, the evidence is in about how the Fairfax County School Board set kids up to fail.

The parents were right. Not only did the school district discriminate against Asian students — as concluded by federal judge Claude Hilton in late February — but the evidence is in that it discriminated against the most advanced of students, kids who are vulnerable to dropping out of school, depression and marginalization and bullying, much like special education students, when they don’t receive educational services aligned with their learning level.

Instead of smears like “retard” and “idiot” flung at children with traditionally understood special education needs, advanced students are often bullied as “geeks,” “nerds” and “weirdos.” Unfortunately, in a rush to virtue signal, activists and educrats have further marginalized these students and their families (very often, Asian) as “resource hoarders” and even, laughably, “segregationists.”

Below is the full report. You can download it at this link.

Here are some of the most alarming findings.

Report: “TJHSST Class of 2025 … almost halved the proportion of students with the highest math level.”

  • Admissions officers admitted students in the Class of 2025 with less advanced math than the year before. Compared to TJ Class of 2024, the proportion of students admitted in the Class of 2025 with Algebra 2 or higher completed in 8th grade decreased by almost a whopping 50%, from 35% to 18%.

It’s often difficult for educrats schooled in the liberal arts to understand but advanced math — including subjects like multivariable calculus — is key to advanced learning in the science fields, from artificial intelligence and machine learning to physics.

The Class of 2025 had 161 students, or about one of three students, of the 550 students admitted with only Algebra 1 under their belt. That number was way more than the 22 students admitted in the Class of 2024 with only Algebra 1 or 31 students admitted in the Class of 2023 with a similar math level, or about only 5% of the both classes. Fairfax County Public Schools didn’t release math data on 37 students admitted in the Class of 2025.

Report: “Almost 40% of FCPS students admitted to TJ Class of 2025 were not participating in the most rigorous coursework available in 8th grade, constituting over 20% of all admitted students.”

  • Admissions officers chose a lower percentage of advanced learners in the Class of 2025 than the Class of 2024. About 117 students of the 500 students, or about one of three, or 38%, of Fairfax County Public School students admitted to the TJ Class of 2025 were not participating in Level IV Advanced Academic Program coursework in 8th grade. Those students made up over 20% of admitted students to TJ Class of 2025.

Report: “Admission rate for academically advanced students in FCPS is the same as the admission rate for all students.”

  • Advanced learning didn’t make a difference for admission into the Class of 2025. Level IV Advanced Academic Program students take the most academically challenging courses in English, social studies and science offered by the county to eighth graders, considered more difficult than honors classes, for example. However, students receiving Advanced Academic Program Level IV services were “equally likely” to be admitted to TJ as students overall, at a percentage of about 18%.

The Fairfax County Association of the Gifted said about these students: “These would generally be the most academically motivated, advanced, gifted, and capable students, as the coursework for AAP Level IV services is more demanding than the Honors coursework, which in turn is considered more demanding than the regular courses. In middle school, Level IV courses include only social studies, science and English.”

The Fairfax County Association for the Gifted concluded, “This outcome is all but ensured by design,” because the new admissions process gave “bonus points” to students from “underrepresented schools,” most without advanced students. In fact, it noted that 93 seats of the 550 seats in the Class of 2025 were reserved for students from schools without advanced programs.

It noted that over 20% of the TJ class was “selected from the 80% of students who were not participating in the most advanced academic program offered in middle school.”

Report: “Fairfax County had the lowest reported admissions rates, and much lower admissions rates than Arlington and Prince William County.”

  • About 16% of Fairfax County applicants were admitted, while over 27% of Arlington County applicants and over 30% of Prince William County applicants were admitted. Former Virginia Education Secretary Atif Qarni worked closely with Prince William County School Board Chair Babur Lateef, both close friends as part of the Pakistani American diaspora community, to push through the admissions changes in 2020. Loudoun County, which has a high percentage of students from the families of immigrants from India, settling in the county for technology jobs, had only 17% acceptance.

This column has been republished with permission from Asra Investigates.


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33 responses to “More TJ Students Students Are Dropping Out”

  1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    The proponents of change will simply look at the new US News Report on Best Schools. Some important data points from Ms. Nomani that should not go overlooked.
    https://www.usnews.com/education/best-high-schools/national-rankings https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6be238729213008ae819c09e5ae8f79a9f8524d478c87e5d30d385d401151a72.jpg

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    The purpose is to learn…

  3. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Sad. This goes not only for the kids who were forced into this situation by administrators, but for the kids who didn’t get in and lose out because again, of administrators who play with students and parents lives.

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “That’s 12 students who dropped out of the school to return to their base school, most likely.”

    Because, most likely, that suits your beliefs best.

    “but the evidence is in that it discriminated against the most advanced of students, kids who are vulnerable to dropping out of school, depression and marginalization and bullying, much like special education students, when they don’t receive educational services aligned with their learning level.”

    Okay, let’s see the evidence!

    The story goes on to unsubstantiated crap on up-bullying.

  5. So. Who at TJ needs remedial algebra?
    You already know.

  6. You left out “brainiac”, “professor”, “Einstein” and “Mr. Peabody” (if one wears glasses).

  7. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Several observations:

    1. The headline of this article and the dropout data itself are seriously misleading. Ms. Nomani headlines “record” dropout numbers for the Class of 2025, the first admitted under the new admissions policy. First of all, the fact that some students are dropping out is indicative that the T.J. curriculum is still rigorous and challenging. But, more importantly, she compares the 12 of the Class of 2025 that left T.J. to the 1 of the Class of 2024 that left. (The reference is wrong. 5 students in the Class of 2024 left this year.) Whether her base is the Class of 2024 or the Class of 2023 is immaterial. How many students of those Classes left in their first year, which is the measure she is using for the Class of 2025? She does not tell us. Judging by the total enrollments of each class, it would appear that a lot of students of those previous classes dropped out in their first year. For example, the Class of 2025 (freshmen) started in September with a total enrollment of 541. The Class of 2024 (sophomores) started in September with a total enrollment of 450. Unless the school has expanded the size of the incoming class this year, there was a lot of dropoff in the size of the Class of 2024 from its freshman year to this year.

    2. The report she cites laments that 117 students admitted to T.J. this year “were not participating in Level IV Advanced Academic Program coursework in 8th grade.” However, it also notes that 93 slots were for students “from schools without advanced programs.” It is hard to take those advanced courses if one’s school does not offer them. But, apparently that does not matter to Ms. Nomani.

    1. From the article: The number may not seem large but consider that only one student dropped out the entire year before from the Class of 2024.

      If the information presented is correct, one student dropped out of the class of 2024 in their first year.

      RE: Class size: I found data here regarding admissions to TJHSST:

      http://www.fcag.org/tjstatistics.shtml

      Just in case my link does not work, TJHSST accepted 550 students for the class of 2025, 486 students for the class of 2024, and 494 for class of 2023.

      So, it looks like the class of 2025 is larger than previous classes.

      And, of course, these numbers are admissions only. I have not yet found any data on how many students decided not to attend after being accepted, or on drop-out rates per-class per-year.

      Your Point #2 is excellent. Academically advanced students should not be penalized because they failed to take advanced classes that were not offered to them.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Plus, given the record numbers of home sales and job changes for 2021, the fact that 12 sudents left the school should not be surprising. My IEEE and LinkedIn relevent job listings are hitting the maximums I’ve seen in 10 years. My resumes at those sites are being viewed more than ever. Companies are hungry for professionals, no doubt the source of many TJ students.

      The author attributed all 12 to a failure to maintain because this suits their purpose.

      I classify this article as “mostly BS” with some “Cow thrown in”.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        yep, you got int. And this is not the first time for this kind of stuff from this person but it gets ‘play’ in BR as if it is credible.

      2. Don’t discriminate against the equine…

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Okay, you’ll like this. So, I’m replacing a part that’s 15 years old and the model numbers have changed over the years. I determined that the part I need was model XXX-20B, but they listed two variants, XXX-20B(U) and XXX-20B(F). I poured over the spec sheets and owner’s manuals. I googled, and duck-ducked. I watched youtube vids. But nowhere was to be found the difference between (U) and (F).

          Finally, I wrote he manufacterer. A week later, I get the reply.
          (U) and (F) are UPS and FedEx.

          Who da f^#}# adds the shipping method to the model#?

          1. Who da f^#}# adds the shipping method to the model#?

            Someone who is not an engineer, technician or mechanic.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            I.e., a web designer.

          3. Yep.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Ah, road apples. Okay, include them and some dead Mehadden.

        3. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          BTW, read an article that has national foreclosures going to 700% of last year(200% prepandemic), but that the vast majority will sell at big profits, thus come out in the black. I suspect this will not continue and things will get red by year end.

      3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        That’s a good point that I should have thought of. There is no evidence presented that any of the 12 who have left included any of those who would not have been admitted under the old admissions policy.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          and really not the goal of the author……..
          the goal was to present a view that had little to do with actual data IMHO.

          This is the way folks like her tend to “communicate”. It’s really not about a conscientious discussion of issues but rather portrayal of someone’s “belief” .

          There is such a difference between what Dick posts and some of these other posts from folks like Nomani IMHO.
          Nomani posts are really not about an honest discussion of the issue – it’s just plain propaganda from someone who has no interest in the merits of the issue, IMHO , again.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Our author is extremely biased, does little to no real research, and wherever possible makes assumptions that support their theories.

          It’s a garden party. Ya can’t please everyone, so ya gotta please yourself.

          1. Yeah, well, don’t go pleasing yourself too much around here or people will start talking…

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            We do. We do. That’s our job. Talking, that is.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Wait, what? Almost every day some BR blather-butt will complain about how “biased” WaPo and other media are.

            Meanwhile, BR puts the “bias” claim to shame with it’s own uber-bias, and actually downright false claims then gets it’s nose out of joint when VPAP won’t let them be designated as a legitimate ‘news’ organization.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Well, BR knows what people are thinking…

            they know when you’re asleep, they know if you’ve been bad or good, and that our history isn’t written in books but in statues….

            You do know they’re crazy, right? They are secure in a leadership and representatives that tried to OVERTHROW democracy and impose Marshal (Dillion?) Law.

    3. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Way back when I attended FCPS a student that wanted to take an advanced class not offered at his or her schools could attend those classes at the closest school that did offer those classes.

      Is that no longer the case?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        How practical is that for kids whose parents are not high income and/or have work options that allow them to do that?

        It would be the same problem with Charter schools if they did not offer transportation to all kids regardless of where they lived in the county.

        Why is the burden put on the child to do this in the first place?

        1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
          f/k/a_tmtfairfax

          How practical is it? Very. The kids go to their neighborhood HS. Then FCPS transports the student to the school offering the classes. This is done for both students who take one or two classes at the other HS and the rest at the neighborhood school or who take all courses at the other school. This is not a burden on working people.

          A kid whose local HS has IB but wants to take AP gets transported to and from the school with AP. Similarly, a student who wants to take a foreign language or vocational ed class not offered by the local school gets bused to and from the second school, with other classes assigned to accommodate the student’s special needs.

          You are creating false barriers that simply don’t exist.

          1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            Does this policy apply to seventh and eighth graders? Those are the years that students need to be taking the advanced courses needed to gain admission to TJ.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            So Fairfax will transport every kid that needs to go to another school to get a course his/her school does not offer?

            If this is true, for every kid, every grade so they can get the course they need, then I’d concede the issue – if this is true.

            Does not happen down where I live.

    4. From the article: The number may not seem large but consider that only one student dropped out the entire year before from the Class of 2024.

      If the information presented is correct, one student dropped out of the class of 2024 in their first year.

      RE: Class size: I found data here regarding admissions to TJHSST:

      http://www.fcag.org/tjstatistics.shtml

      Just in case my link does not work, TJHSST accepted 550 students for the class of 2025, 486 students for the class of 2024, and 494 for class of 2023.

      So, it looks like the class of 2025 is larger than previous classes.

      And, of course, these numbers are admissions only. I have not yet found any data on how many students decided not to attend after being accepted, or on drop-out rates per-class per-year. We also do not know how students who leave after completing a full academic year are counted. Did they “drop out”? What if they leave the school because mom or dad got transferred to San Diego?

      There is not enough data presented to draw any hard conclusions about the performance of the TJHSST Class of 2025 as it compares to previous classes.

      Your Point #2 is excellent. Academically advanced students should not be penalized because they failed to take advanced classes that were not offered to them.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        You are probably right about point #1. It looks like Nomani was making one point and then presented a chart with data that illustrated something entirely different. (Not a good example for a T.J. proponent.) Going further with your argument, we do not know why the 12 students who have left T.J. did so. Maybe, as you say, parents got transferred. Maybe some of them found out they did not like being around a bunch of snobs all day long. In any event, we came to the same conclusion: “There is not enough data presented to draw any hard conclusions about the performance of the TJHSST Class of 2025 as it compares to previous
        classes.”

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        You are probably right about point #1. It looks like Nomani was making one point and then presented a chart with data that illustrated something entirely different. (Not a good example for a T.J. proponent.) Going further with your argument, we do not know why the 12 students who have left T.J. did so. Maybe, as you say, parents got transferred. Maybe some of them found out they did not like being around a bunch of snobs all day long. In any event, we came to the same conclusion: “There is not enough data presented to draw any hard conclusions about the performance of the TJHSST Class of 2025 as it compares to previous
        classes.”

  8. James McCarthy Avatar
    James McCarthy

    Polemics are practiced by this author, but her statistical narrative and prose are awful as one commenter has noted. Stats without per cents or context serve no purpose.

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