More Disinformation from the Times-Dispatch

It’s bad enough when the Mainstream Media imposes a simplistic meta-narrative on the transportation debate (See my column, “Transportation Abomination“), but it’s impossible for the reading public to understand the issues when a daily newspaper as important as the Richmond Times-Dispatch provides misleading coverage like the article that Michael Hardy and Jeff Schapiro wrote today.

The thrust of the story is that support is building among the 12 Senate and House conferees for a transportation plan that looks a lot more like the House version than the Senate version. Here’s how the story starts:

Road plan support builds
Committee leaning toward the anti-tax House version of bill

by Michael Hardy and Jeff E. Schapiro

The compromise on new money for transportation might not be much of one after all.

With most of the 12 negotiators siding with the anti-tax House on roads and rail, legislators are anticipating an up-or-down vote on a plan that relies on $2 billion in borrowing and diverts substantial tax dollars from education, law enforcement and human services.

The anti-tax House? The supposedly anti-tax House approved a transportation funding plan that called for the following statewide fines, fees and taxes: (1) abusive driver penalties, $61 million; (2) diesel fuel tax, $20 million; overweight trucks penalties, $30 million; vehicle registration fee, $71 million. Additionally, the House approved packages of taxes that would allow Northern Virginians to increase regional taxes, levies and fees by $383 million a year and Hampton Roadsters by $209 million. My calculator says that adds up to $774 million in new fees, fines and levies. (Important caveat: Those numbers come from the bill as submitted. It may have been modified along the way. Regardless, those are numbers that the “anti-tax” House approved at least at one point.)

Admittedly, the imposition of new taxes is smaller than what the Senate is calling for, but it’s not what any honest person would call “anti-tax.” Interestingly, Hardy and Schapiro never apply the moniker “pro-tax” to factions in the General Assembly that want to raise taxes even more, even though such a descriptor would be more in concert with the facts.

As for the snarky comment that the compromise for transportation “might not be much of one after all,” it omits the fact that House/Senate GOP package already represents a compromise of factions that hardly see eye-to-eye.

Hardy and Schapiro compound their “anti-tax” label with their trope that the GOP compromise plan would “divert substantial tax dollars from education, law enforcement and human services” — a characterization right out of the Democratic Party talking points. In fact, the GOP would take money from the General Fund surplus, not monies allocated to existing programs, which have been lavished with increases in the 15 to 20 percent range this biennial budget — context that also goes AWOL in their articles. Only in the sense that the surplus funds could have been spent on schools and human services programs, launching their funding into hyper-drive, instead of, oh, say, returning money to taxpayers, could it be said that the GOP tax plan would “divert” anything.

The GOP tax plan is awful — I’ve characterized it as the Transportation Abomination — and I think it deserves to be defeated. But at least I characterize the contents of it accurately. I don’t portray the package as something that it isn’t. I also make my biases plain for all to see. The T-D newsroom still pretends to be objective.


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22 responses to “More Disinformation from the Times-Dispatch”

  1. Anonymous Avatar

    Hardy and Shapiro reported yesterday that the “gambling for transportation” bill had once again been defeated in committee on Monday…yet none of the members of the committee are aware a vote took place.

    These two just write what they want with absolutely no concern for facts. Keep exposing them!

  2. James Atticus Bowden Avatar
    James Atticus Bowden

    I characterize the House Plan as a compromise of principles for a transportation abortion.

    Subtle, huh?

    No one in the MSM touches the unelected, unaccountable, unseparated powers, no taxation without representation Regional Government that was rejected by the voters twice – (3 times in some votes against Jerry Kilgore).

    No one in the MSM mentions that the Plan for Hampton Roads actually INCREASES the congested miles after 20 years.

    They are stuck in their narrative – shilling for the Virginia Democrats.

  3. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    I still cannot understand the intentions of the folks from TW/HR in this blog.

    You say you are opposed to Regional Authorities and you are opposed to more Regional taxes to pay for transportation infrastructure…

    .. but then you seem to blink on the idea of RoVa paying for your Regional Infrastructure.

    Are you guys against taxes for transportation – period no matter whether they be Regional or Statewide?

    Fess up Guys…. stand firm and say what you stand for… no running for the bushes….

  4. James Atticus Bowden Avatar
    James Atticus Bowden

    Larry, I’ve answered this several times.

    I understand the bogie for Hampton Roads is about $300m a year – depends upon what you build.

    1. Don’t build the plan they have now. It increases congested miles.

    Build what Reid Greenmun has explained several times – and add tubes and bridges at the Hampton Roads crossing when the money is available. That means you set a vertical priority of 460 corridor, Port of Norfolk to corridor, Hampton Roads crossing, all others…when the money is available.

    2. Pay for it with money from the Transportation Trust fund + General Fund + bonds + tolls on bridges for new bridges (possibly tolls on 460 and I-64 to pay for 460 improvements).

    You don’t need a Regional Government to do any of this.

    Got it?

    The present revenue flow to the Commonwealth means no new taxes are needed now.

    If and when you needed more taxes – huge IF – then apply tolls to folks using the facilities and, if absolutely necessary, increase the gas tax. But, you don’t need either now.

  5. Jim Hoeft Avatar

    Jim Bowden,
    Keep fighting the good fight, but I’m afraid that the trains have already left for the front and cannot be recalled.

    As for the original post, man, they’re just getting more and more blatant. Was this a column or a news article?

    If it was a news article, what shoddy editing and even worse journalism.

    Your last point sums it up very nicely, Mr. Bacon. At least (most) bloggers don’t disguise their biases.

  6. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    JAB –

    Okay… we’re getting closer.

    Right now.. virtually the entire state gas tax is going for maintenance. This is the TTF

    This is no new money for new infrastructure … unless

    you take money from the General Fund – which you favor… correct?

    and this mean you are in favor of taking general revenue taxes for roads – correct?

  7. James Atticus Bowden Avatar
    James Atticus Bowden

    LG: Yes and yes.

  8. Anonymous Avatar

    Saying the TD is a bad newspaper is like saying Hitler was a bad man. All you folks out there in the blogosphere actually benefit that the state’s capital city newspaper is so awful that it gives you many, many opportunities to fill a void, despite your political biases.

    The TD has always been lousy and is much worse under the Silvestri/Proctor regime. Take advantage of it!

  9. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    JAB – Thank you.

    my views on transportation funding:

    1. – general revenue

    2. – TTF revenue, gas tax, TOLLs

    1. and 2. are very different sources….

    I see targetted/dedicated taxes as more akin to user fees and general revenue taxes as not.

    ONLY the revenue streams that are relatively stable and predictable are good for Capital Projects such as roads – in my view.

    Right now – schools get what they get. In good years they get a bunch, in lean years .. they have to trim operational expenditures.

    You cannot do this with a road because the longer you don’t have enough funds for it – the more it costs – both in inflation and higher right-of-way costs.

    So if you plan a road to be built in 6 years and we run into several years with no surplus – the road not only does not get built – it gets more expensive.

    Multiply that times all the roads in a 6 year plan and you get a recipe for big problems.

    We’ve already seen these problems when VDOT was keeping 6yr plans that had more projects than their actual funding could support.

    Roads projected in 6 year timeframes got pushed out to 12, 15 and even 20 year time lines at 3, 4, 5 times their intial estimates.

    They had to fix it by removing projects.

    now.. on the revenue-side – we are essentially going to do the same thing all over again.

    We’re going to make the revenues themselves unpredictable from year to year.

    Locking in a set amount on the General Revenue side is even worse, in my view because now you’re charging EVERONE in Virginia for VDOT roads – no matter how much they drive or don’t drive – it’s a pure capita fee with no incentives for folks to drive less, use less gasoline, not drive during rush hour, etc.

    I would posit that this is NOT a conservative principle at all.

    The original intent of the TTF was to have users pay – not general taxpayers to protect taxpayers.

    I would claim that in abandoning this concept – that we are abandoning a conservative principle – and that ironically it is Chichester and the RINOs who are opposed to abandoning this principle.

  10. “So if you plan a road to be built in 6 years and we run into several years with no surplus – the road not only does not get built – it gets more expensive……….

    Locking in a set amount on the General Revenue side is even worse, in my view because now you’re charging EVERONE in Virginia for VDOT roads – no matter how much they drive or don’t drive – it’s a pure capita fee with no incentives for folks to drive less, use less gasoline, not drive during rush hour, etc.”

    With regard to the first part, yes. At least part of the reason road construction gets delayed is because the cost is much higher than it would be absent the persisitent and effective efforts of those who oppose roads for any and all reasons. In turn that mekes the cost higher again, as you have noted.

    There is virtually no cost to those who use the system against itself. So, if you want to put a price on user pays, then you should plan to put a price on obstructionism as much as you do on development. I have previously described a reverse auction system. Under that system each area that is opposed to some project places a bid for the right not to get it. The low bidder gets stuck with the project (jail, dump, road, halfway house, etc.) and that jurisdiction also gets all the money bid by the other areas for the right not to have it.

    This puts a price on the cost of saying no, and a premium on saying yes. It is simply wrong (and deceptive) to put all the bill for roads on those that use them the most or those that use the roads in the most congested areas precisely because everyone does benefit from the situation: a disproportionate amount of state money comes from HR and NOVA, which does not come back.

    ——————

    With regard to the second part, I’m not sure I understand. All the money comes from those that pay the money. Virtually everyone uses or benefits from the roads to some degree. The TTF is a subset of the general fund, so I don;t see how locking in a set amount on the general revenue side is all that different from locking in a set amount of TTF funds.

    However, the TTF funds have never been locked in, they have been raided in the past for general revenue purposes. Maybe the general fund should have been required to take out bonds fromn the TTF to ensure the raided funds were repaid. I also don’t see any difference between now raiding the general fund in order to help make up for all the problems caused by the issues you noted in part 1.

    Except.

    The TTF fund can be funded largely, but not entirely, by user oriented fees, fuel charges, and tolls. So far, that hasn’t happened, again, because of obstructionists who are afraid that roads might actually have adequate funding.

    This is a case where I actually think EMR is right: if you had user fees that fit, then downstate road users would have to pay far more than they do now. If the port is causing heavy road use in HR, then port users would pay much more under such a scheme. Those fees would immediately appear in the prices at your local rural walmart in the weeds.

    If you are going to propose a user pays program, then you should be prepared for the results, and they may very well be not what you expect.

    In particular, I don’t see how this can work in the most congested areas. Congestion fees will raise a lot of money, that cannot realistically be expected to be spent to reduce road congestion in those areas.

    Instead, it will be spent on transit, and there goes the user pays argument. Or, you could spend the money to induce employers to move elsewhere and reduce congestion that way.

    Or, we could just admit that congestion fees are not paying for things the user uses, but instead are paying to exclude others and provide exclusive use to those who can afford to pay for the highest and best use.

    I would posit this is not a conservative principle at all.

  11. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    “than it would be absent the persisitent and effective efforts of those who oppose roads for any and all reasons. In turn that mekes the cost higher again, as you have noted.”

    It’s the lack of money – period.

    There are so many proposed roads that stopping any one of them or even several would only result in the money being allocated to others that are not challenged.

    So – where is the money?

    The reality is there is no money.

    When you have more projects that you have money for and you insist on funding a “little” for each one rather than build the priorty roads – then each road in that list gets more expensive as time goes by.

    And the result is that at some point – the amount of money being allocated to each project can’t even keep up with inflation so you have this huge list that essentially gobbles up all the money to pay for inflation just to pretend that the list itself is real.

  12. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    “So, if you want to put a price on user pays, then you should plan to put a price on obstructionism as much as you do on development.”

    the most polite thing I can say is that this is truly a bizarre concept.

    What you advocating is a system to reward land speculators and to punish those who would opposed sweetheart deals like those in Loudoun.

    Did you say you were in favor of ethical government in the past?

  13. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    “Virtually everyone uses or benefits from the roads to some degree. The TTF is a subset of the general fund, so I don;t see how locking in a set amount on the general revenue side is all that different from locking in a set amount of TTF funds.”

    This is simply not true.

    What you’re advocating is that – everyone should pay for everything.. and then each try to figure out how to successfully “game” the system to get more than their share.

    “However, the TTF funds have never been locked in, they have been raided in the past for general revenue purposes.”

    What was the idea of the TTF to start with?

    The fact that it has been raided (which you don’t provide real examples) does not mean the concept should be done away with but rather more measures to ensure that it functions as originally intended.

    The TTF was designed so that the folks who used “more” paid more – and that folks who did not use did not have to pay.

    You say everyone “benefits” from roads but you fail to point out that when someone receives a Fed Ex package – that incoporated into the delivery charge is the transportation costs – so people DO pay for their share. It’s almost always incorporated into the price. Companies do not “absorb” the transportation costs – they pass them on to buyers.

    Roads paid for by all is a Socialist/Marx idea.

    In fact most ideas along the lines of what you are advocating where “everyone” pays because it ends up “benefiting everyone” is not only NOT a conservative idea – it is a Socialist idea.

    Conservatism means that each one of us should accept responsibility for the costs of what we consume.

    Socialism means that we all agree to pay for whatever has been deemed in the best interests of everyone.

    Explain again why it’s not in the public intertest to determine the best use of your property for society at large?

    Hmmm.. Cafeteria Conservative comes to mind here… just pick the principles you like and benefit you then head over to the Socialist Buffet to get what you like over there..

    tsk tsk.

  14. “What you are advocating is that everyone should pay for everything and then try to figure out how to game the system.”

    You really don’t listen, do you?

    Let me try again. In the end, one way or another everyone will pay for everything that we get.

    I have suggested that we put a short version of the budget on the back of your tax form and each person would allocate their money to the part of the budget they think needs it most, or that is most aligned with their own interests.

    Then, there would be no argument over what the public wants, or where they want their money to go. The legislature would be constrained to the referendum budget, plus or minus 15% or something.

    There would be no gaming the system.

    I posit that in the end, after all the tax forms were tallied, the budget wouldn’t be much different than it is today. It would all come out in the wash, averaged over 7 million people.

    I posit more or less the same thing will result from the pay as you go plan, except it will be much more expensive. If you send every user a bill, (electronic or not) for every government service, (and if the bill is a real bill, related to the real cost of service, not a hidden tax like the $350 registration fee I pay to keep my land in land use, year after year), then, in the end everyone will still pay for everything we get.

    Plus, we will pay for all that billing. Some will pay more for some things and less for others. But averaged ut over 7 million people, it won’t change very much.

    Then of course there are certain problems. If a burglar gets areested in the act, who gets the bill? The burglar, the homeowner who was burgled, or all the subsequent homeowners who were NOT burgled?

    By the time you get done with all the billing, and the arguing over how the billing should be done, you might very well find out you were better off if you just let everyone pay for everything.

    You have 40 people at a company outing; some have a drink and some don’t, some have dessert and some don’t. Some have coffee and some don’t. Everyone enjoyed the outing. Do you spend a half hour of forty people’s time dividing up the bill exactly, or do you just divide by forty?

  15. “…the most polite thing I can say is that it is a truly bizarre concept.”

    I’ll take that as a compliment. People thought that Copernicus was bizarre, too. How could the earth circle the sun? Ridiculous.

    So what you are saying is that the naysayers should get what they want without ever paying the costs, or even sharing the costs.

    I like the negative auction idea. You bid for the right not to get what you don’t want, and if you don’t get it, then you pay the amount you bid to the poor slob that did get it.

    It is only a fair extension of the idea that the user should pay. In this case the users are those that use the public hearing system to gang up on an individual.

  16. Social ism is based on the idea of “From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.”

    It is an extreme idea because it includes everything, including your personal living space, and the bread and butter on your table. In the case of Venezuela, it includes the capital provided by foreign investors, who will get nothing for their needs from the deal. So, it is an extreme idea that also has a history of being twisted and usurped.

    But it is no more extreme than the opposite view, that we should totally commercialize and turn over to contractors to operate for profit the Government Of the People, by the People and for the People. We haven’t yet seen the history of how that idea might be twisted and usurped.

    Even the most crass capitalist recognizes that there are those that cannot care for themselves, and that we as a society are better off if they are cared for at our expense than we are if we have to step over their rag clothed bodies on our way to church.

    Somewhere between giving everything to everybody, and billing everybody for everything there is probably a middle ground we can live with, but we will never find it if we only look for it through our dogma lenses.

  17. I don’t think the FedEx example is a good one. FedEx charges by the zone. The closer you live to their distribution center near Dulles, the more you subsidize the guy on a farm lane at the end of nowhere, provided he is still in the same zone.

    If you start billing Fedex for miles traveled, their rates will go up, but their billing system might not change: they have figured out what is worth doing and what is not.

    As a result, your toll scheme might have your subsidizing me more than now.

    I’m not suggesting that you are wrong, only that we don’t know enough to know if you are or not. I think it is worth the effort to find out before we make a Fundamental Change that turns out to be a Fundamental Mistake.

  18. “No one mentions that the plan increases congested miles after 20 years.”

    Is this even the right question?

    Yep, if you build more roads to the same congested places you will probably wind up with more miles of congested roads.

    You will also have more throughput to those congested (and as EMR points out, valuable) places.

    So the question is whether the additional throughput justifies the cost.

    If you don’t build the roads, you won’t have the additional throughput and the additional revenue. Suppose the plan was to build twice ans many roads. If you don’t build them, will the backup be twice as long, with the result that you have just as many congested miles, but without the benefit?

    Probably not. What is more likely is that the congestion tax will cause some of the demand will be shifted to less favorable locations, where the costs are higher.

    So, the people using the services provided are going to pay more one way or another. Are we going to have one giant slaughterhouse where everyone goes, or tries to go to get there meat, and where they are appalled by the stench and repelled by the crush of animals and people, or are we going to have dozens of individual butchers (which will have to be inspected individually)?

    In one case you get the “benefits” of mass production at the cost of providing massive services. In the other case you get the benefit of, maybe, eating your own cow, that you know has been fed and treated well, at the expense of distributed services.

    Which one is cheaper? Which one is better? Which one is more sustainable? I submit that we just don’t know, and that posing questions like whether the plan will produce more congested miles is just silly.

  19. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    “You really don’t listen, do you?

    Let me try again. In the end, one way or another everyone will pay for everything that we get.”

    Indeed I do listen.

    and your statement is not only biazare but plain wrong – and further – it lays the groundwork for even more bizarre reasoning that virtually no one would agree with.

    If that is your starting premise – it is your ending premise for further discussion.

  20. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    “I have suggested that we put a short version of the budget on the back of your tax form and each person would allocate their money to the part of the budget they think needs it most, or that is most aligned with their own interests.”

    Now.. you’re the guy who questions:

    1. – the limits of technology in processing transactions

    2. – Big Government… which is what it would take to operate your plan.

    Who do you think would administer such a system – not only the revenues but the agencies that got funded?

  21. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    “I posit that in the end, after all the tax forms were tallied, the budget wouldn’t be much different than it is today. It would all come out in the wash, averaged over 7 million people.”

    Can I politely posit that this view is NUTS!

    The guy who got the ticket from the State Police will not give them another penny.

    The Family that does not have a family member that needs special mental services would never consider paying .. until their child needed services.

    Folks would stop paying for roads because they will say that their taxes have already been used to pay for them and no more money is needed.

    What you are advocating is letting everyone decide how much tax to pay.

    this is hardly worth the binary bits to respond to Ray.

  22. Larry Gross Avatar
    Larry Gross

    “Do you spend a half hour of forty people’s time dividing up the bill exactly, or do you just divide by forty?”

    Ray, have you ever had the pleasure of splitting a bill with others?

    Do you know why many folks won’t do this?

    It’s because you almost always pay MORE than you would for your own bill.

    This is because this kind of arrangement virtually gauranteeds that the guy who normally would not buy 5 drinks and a steak – will.

    This is what people do Ray.

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