Miyares Seeks Dismissal of Suit to Save RGGI

The states currently in the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative tax compact.

By Steve Haner

Attorney General Jason Miyares (R) is defending the Virginia Air Pollution Control Board’s decision to exit a multi-state carbon cap and tax compact as within the regulatory agency’s authority. He has also claimed to the circuit court hearing an appeal of that decision that the plaintiffs were not affected by the action directly and thus have no standing to sue.

The four plaintiffs, all associations, filed a 138-page petition in the Circuit Court of Fairfax County in late August. Miyares’ office used just ten pages total for two responses dated September 13.

As is common practice, the Attorney General’s Office requested that the court dismiss the case right away for lack of merit or on the issue of standing or both. It also challenged the plaintiff’s choice of Fairfax County and sought a change of venue.

The issue involves the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative (RGGI), which Virginia joined in 2020. The key question facing the court is interpretation of 2020 legislation. Did that statute as written mandate Virginia’s membership in RGGI or did it merely authorize it? Did that statute, which contemplated the Air Board would join RGGI via a regulation, preclude a future Air Board from withdrawing that regulation?

Unless the court grants this motion to summarily dismiss the case, it will likely drag on past the November elections. The outcome there probably determines more about the future of any Virginia carbon tax, this one or another one.

Even under the pending withdrawal, Virginia is part of RGGI through 2023. Another auction for carbon emission allowances was held in early September, and the state has now collected $730.3 million in less than three years from electric power producers using coal, oil or natural gas. The total could exceed $800 million after Virginia’s final auction in December. Most if not all is passed on to customers one way or another.

The argument in the response raises no unexpected issues.

The Commonwealth is authorized by the Clean Energy and Community Flood Preparedness Act, Va. Code §§ 10.1-1329, et seq., (the “Act”) to participate in RGGI as an auction member—but it is not required to do so. In 2020, Virginia joined RGGI as an auction member via regulation, 9 VAC 5-140-6010, et seq. (the “2020 Regulation”) …. Recognizing the fundamental flaws in RGGI’s design that both kept its purported benefits from materializing and generated skyrocketing costs, the Air Board followed proper administrative procedures and exercised its discretion in 2023 to withdraw from the initiative.

That addresses with the claim from the appellants that the Air Board had no authority to withdraw without a change in law. The response then moves on to:

Claim II, which hinges on the remarkable assertion that Respondents exceeded their statutory authority by considering the cost of a regulation, fails legally and factually. As an initial matter, the Air Board is not just legally permitted to consider the costs imposed by its regulations, it is required to do so. Moreover, in a regulatory regime, like RGGI, that seeks to obtain benefits by imposing costs on certain conduct, the cost of the regulation is its defining feature.

Finally, the supporters of RGGI claimed the Air Board acted arbitrarily, without foundation.

Claim III presents a sufficiency of the evidence challenge. It fails because substantial evidence supports the Air Board’s decision to adopt the 2023 Regulation. Substantial evidence merely requires that there be evidence that a reasonable mind might accept as adequate to support a conclusion. And an agency’s decision must be upheld unless a reasonable mind would necessarily come to a different conclusion.

The challenge was filed by The Association for Energy Conservation Professionals, Virginia Interfaith Power and Light, Appalachian Voices and Faith Alliance for Climate Solutions.  The Southern Environmental Law Center in Charlottesville is their counsel.

The Floyd County-based association of individuals or companies providing energy conservation services probably have the strongest claim of direct harm from the Air Board’s decision, since some were probably being paid out of the RGGI proceeds. The others exist to oppose and eventually eliminate the use of fossil fuels, as they outline in their own petition. Defending their right to appeal this regulatory decision will probably dominate the next round of paperwork.


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70 responses to “Miyares Seeks Dismissal of Suit to Save RGGI”

  1. According to the article: “The key question facing the court is interpretation of 2020 legislation. Did that statute as written mandate Virginia’s membership in RGGI or did it merely authorize it? Did that statute, which contemplated the Air Board would join RGGI via a regulation, preclude a future Air Board from withdrawing that regulation?”

    It is axiomatic that no legislature can enact a law that bars a future legislature from modifying or repealing that law. Since a legislature cannot do so, an administrative agency cannot do the same with its regulations.

    The General Assembly has no authority to amend or nullify a provision of the Virginia Constitution through legislation. A law purporting to bar a future General Assembly from modifying or repealing that law in the future presumes to prevent a future General Assembly from exercising its constitutional authority to legislate.

    Imagine the audacity of a General Assembly repealing all existing Virginia statutes, enacting new versions of those statutes, and including in the new statutes’ language that explicitly states the new statutes cannot be amended, repealed, or superseded by future legislation. End of democracy. End of constitutional government. It is inconceivable that Virginia courts would issue a ruling that allows such a result.

    1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      Absolutely correct on multiple grounds. Arguing the opposite is tantamount to arguing that Trump won the 2020 election. Perhaps, plaintiffs’ lawyers should be sanctioned for making an openly frivolous argument.

      1. Without reading the 138 page complaint filed by the plaintiffs, I would withhold judgment as to whether they are guilty of making a totally frivolous claim. The article characterizes the case as raising two issues: (1) did the General Assembly enact a statute that requires adoption of a regulation compliant with the RGGI or did the statute merely make such a regulation permissible? (2) was the adoption of a such a regulation irreversible?

        If the relevant statute explicitly requires adoption of a regulation compliant with the RGGI, then the agency cannot unilaterally rescind a regulation that carried out the mandate of the statute. If the relevant statute merely authorizes the agency to decide whether to adopt a regulation compliant with the RGGI, then the agency has discretion to amend or rescind such a regulation.

        Much depends on how the Virginia Courts construe the language of the relevant statute — does it explicitly mandate an agency regulation comply with the RGGI or does it merely authorize an agency to make a decision to whether to adopt such a regulation?

        If the 138 page complaint avoids any claims or arguments that suggest or imply the General Assembly cannot (1) amend or repeal the relevant statute or (2) enact a new statute that withdraws Virginia from the RGGI, then the plaintiffs can avoid the legal irreversibility quagmire that I discussed in my earlier comment. If the plaintiffs thread the eye of a legal needle carefully, then they can avoid the quagmire. If they make broad sweeping claims concerning legal irreversibility, then they risk falling into the quagmire.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Is this particular case of law and regulation substantially different than other enacted laws that then also become regulation?

          Did the GA say join RGGI?

          1. The General Assembly has the discretion to (1) mandate an agency take a particular action or (2) authorize an agency to make a decision whether to take a particular action. In reference to the RGGI, Virginia Code § 10.1-1330 uses the words “authorize” and “shall.” They are not synonyms. The Virginia Courts will have to parse out whether the General Assembly was requiring a specific agency result or requiring an agency to make a discretionary decision. In law school many years ago, I was taught to be careful in legal drafting to avoid using inconsistent or apparently inconsistent terms. Seems the General Assembly may have been a bit careless in its choice of words in § 10.1-1330. Keeps the lawyers and judges busy in sorting things out in litigation.

          2. DJRippert Avatar

            Great. The clowns we elect to represent us in Richmond can’t even write consistent / clear laws.

            Meanwhile, $800M has been siphoned out of the pockets of Virginians over the last 3 years.

            The question of whether joining RGGI was legislated or a regulatory option had to be discussed during the debate ov this law, no?

          3. DJRippert Avatar

            That’s the question. But since the GA can’t write clear laws, that question will be answered by an appointed judge (or judges) rather than the numbskulls we elect to decide such matters on our behalf.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            Yep. But if he court case sets a precedent then other older laws and regs will be challenged on a similar basis, right?

            SCOTUS now decides on what THEY THINK the Congress intended!

          5. DJRippert Avatar

            This law was particularly sloppy from what I am reading. Instead of using “shall” or “may” to distinguish between mandatory / optional, this law opted for some squirrelly language about “authorizes”.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            yes. but we’ve been there and done that over and over… and it keeps the courts and SCOTUS busy.

            It’s not a rare thing at all.

            But there is danger is seeking to have the courts overturn…. if they set a precedent that fits other laws.

        2. DJRippert Avatar

          Why is this hard? Surely our legislators are sufficiently literate and competent at writing laws to clearly indicate whether joining the RGGI is mandatory or optional for the Air Pollution Control Board.

          Which is it?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Neither the GA nor Congress is.

            We have multiple court cases ongoing on a regular basis over what Congress “meant”.

      2. ThomasDixon Avatar
        ThomasDixon

        It doesn’t matter if Trump won. We are injected with biden and the country is experiencing the side effects.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      “Leaded gasoline in China has been banned since before the introduction of the China I (Euro 1) vehicle tailpipe emission standards in 2000. China’s Air Pollution Prevention and Control Law bans the production, import, and sale of leaded fuels.”

      yep, they are not leaders but they do follow.

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Your capacity for self-delusion is stunning. Your efforts at misdirection obvious. We talk about carbon dioxide and you talk about leaded gasoline….China builds enough new coal plants per year to cover a decade of CO2 reductions in the US and Europe. We eliminate it all, all, and the CO2 levels overall will continue to rise. So you better hope those of us not that worried about CO2 are correct.

        The statute drafted in 2020 on RGGI in my opinion is vague and poorly written, so a judge could go either way on its interpretation. Some future GA could certainly clarify it or just repeal it.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Your capacity for understanding is similarly “stunning”. The fact that China now outlaws leaded gasoline even though they did not lead on the issue demonstrates that if one or more countries lead on an issue, others will follow .

          Yes China builds coal plants and nukes but they also build more wind and solar than many if not most other countries.

          Not unlike this country and others still building more fossil fuel plants at this point in time. It’s 2 steps forward, one step back.

          These changes , like switching to unleaded gas, did not happen overnight. It’s a long and gradual thing that has to start somewhere, and usually does with leaders. Even today… there are countries that still use leaded gas…. Algeria, Iraq, Yemen, Myanmar, North Korea, and Afghanistan. That’s who the deniers should be pointing to as proof of “failure” to change.

          Most of the world, unlike the deniers and self-deluders like yourself, do believe we have a serious issue that needs to be addressed. Doing so will not happen overnight, just like moving to unleaded gas did not. It’s going to be a long and messy slog… but it’s going to happen despite the deniers.

          1. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            Yes, my capacity for understanding stuns even myself. 🙂 Your retreat to labels, calling me a “denier”, speaks mainly about you. That lead is an actual poison is scientifically proved. That CO2 causes catastrophic climate change is not proved, and the evidence over time is that the claim has no validity. CO2 rises but the weather stays the same, the temp rise is so tiny it is hard to measure.

          2. Matt Adams Avatar

            “CO2 rises but the weather stays the same, the temp rise is so tiny it is hard to measure.”

            Almost, as if cutting down trees to make way for solar farms is backwards.

            Oh wait, that would require a basic understanding of science, which clearly some people lack.

          3. DJRippert Avatar

            Moreover, the economic effects of switching to unleaded gas are a drop in the ocean compared to banning the use of fossil fuels in generating electricity.

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            That’s just ONE of the changes that have been made with respect to emissions over the years. It’s an example. You want a more detailed list?

            I don’t think we are going to ban fossil fuels anytime soon. A lot will depend on what alternatives come along and their affordability.

            But to NOT use wind/solar when you can if for no other reason when it costs less – is what kind of behavior?

            We can REDUCE the use of fossil fuels if we use wind/solar when we can.

            No?

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            I use “denier” like you use “alarmists”, “climate catastrophe”, etc . Fair?

            Not proven, I agree.

            Evidence is real and troubling and denying it is delusional IMO. Polls show most believe there is a problem and we need to act.

            It’s hard to see what has happened in many places around the world this year and not wonder about it.

            The deniers keep talking about where the weather was not extreme as if that’s “proof” there is no problem.

            classic delusional stuff IMO

      2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        I spent a week in Beijing. The pollution is staggering. They don’t care either. That is when I realized the greenie weenies are nutz.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          why would China ban leaded gas then?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            because China is a developing country a lot like the US was prior to it’s decisions to reduce emissions.

            The US has terrible air quality and grossly polluted rivers in your lifetime, right?

            China is like we were back then.

          2. DJRippert Avatar

            China is a modern country whose leaders understand that economic dominance is what underpins military dominance.

            China is an expansionist regime that pours rocks onto atolls and then claims that the resulting “islands” give it sovereignty over vast areas of the ocean.

            China is a belligerent country that threatens to invade Taiwan and will, in time, do just that.

            China is the enemy, Larry.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Oh I AGREE they ARE an adversary, no question.

            And yep, if we let the GOP decide, we’ll let Russia take Ukraine and China take Taiwan..

            but we have digressed from reducing pollution and going to a cleaner world which the GOP has always made cleaning up pollution the enemy of the economy… tooth and nail… fought against virtually every attempt to reduce pollution and clean up the skies and rivers.

          4. DJRippert Avatar

            Under which president was the EPA formed?

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            Nixon.

          6. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Nothing even remotely close Mr. Larry. 1.6 million croak in China every year just from their dirty air. So we give China and India a pass right? They can go on polluting endlessly until they achieve equal status to the US? Oh and we can trust the benovelent Xi and the Nationalist Modi to mend their ways in due time? Give me a break Mr. Larry. At least give me a break of that Kit Kat bar.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            We recognize both are where we were 50 or so years ago.

            I’m sure you were around in this country back when we had terrible air pollution issues, right?

          8. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Yeah I was. And I can tell you our pollution from the 70s and 80s is nothing close to what is happening in China. I was there man. How about you?

          9. LarrytheG Avatar

            I was not there but I do remember we had rivers catch fire and worse. 70s and 80’s, try earlier. What were our cities like in 1950 in terms of air quality and sewage? We STILL dump sewage in our
            rivers right now today! We STILL have people getting sick and dying from poor air quality.

            We’re way better than we used to be. Many other countries have followed and done similar
            clean ups. Why would China bad leaded gas if they did not care?

      3. DJRippert Avatar

        Leaded gasoline was banned for new cars in the US in 1975. So, you defend modern, developed China for being 25 years behind?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          I say that other countries will follow and yes it may take years.

          China is where we were 50 years ago when our cities had terrible air quality. Right?

          1. DJRippert Avatar

            In the decades that China and India, etc continue to produce cheap power, the US will fall further and further behind economically.

            You are allowing China to pursue the conservative belief that clean energy should be implemented when it is economically advantageous.

            We’re leading all right … with our chin.

    2. Most of what is in that picture is steam from cooling towers.

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        I count four smokestacks.

        1. Along with 8 cooling towers. And since the emissions from the stacks is going straight up, I would assume that they are boosting the temp to get a higher virtual stack height.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          so… count this:

          ” China is on track to double its solar and wind power capacity and achieve its ambitious 2030 target five years ahead of schedule. If all announced projects are successfully built and commissioned, the country will have a total of 1.2 TW by the end of 2025, according to a report by Global Energy Monitor (GEM). China has the highest wind and solar power capacities in the world.
          GEM found that China has nearly half the world’s capacity for utility-scale wind and solar power plants.”

          1. DJRippert Avatar

            I was commenting on the photo, that’s all. However, since you bring it up …

            Will China switch from fossil fuels to clean energy at the same rate as the US?

            This is the key question and can be answered “yes” or “no”.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Yep.. And I was agreeing that there are stil many smokestacks in China because they are at a place we were 50 years or so ago.

            That’s when the air quality in most of our cities was terrible.

            THe Potomac was an open sewer.

            We had PCBs, Kepone, Mercury, Acid Rain, and a ton of other toxics flowing into our rivers and into our skies in both our lifetimes.

            I’m sure you remember.

          3. DJRippert Avatar

            Take a long look at their aircraft carriers, bombers, and fighters.

            Then tell me how they are 50 years behind.

          4. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            China is so good at the truth. You still believe?

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            If you BELIEVE they are building more coal plants AND Nukes, why would you NOT BELIEVE other things they are building also?

            Don’t a lot of solar panels come from China to begin with?

          6. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            Don’t a lot of chocolate bars come from Hershey, Pennsylvania?

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            kit kat?

      2. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        This is not fog. This is not steam. It is pollution. I breathed some of this junk in Beijing. Burns your nose first, then your sinus, and next your throat. I coughed up orange and green phlegm for a week and had a dry hack after that.
        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/abe0940912421cfa1cf7e06158e08d036fb481bb742ca92d1f6e3c3d168a6ab6.jpg

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          This is how LA and several other US cities looked in the 1950’s.

          Remember California Emission laws that preceded the US?

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            So China get’s a 75 year pass. Virginia? We get clobbered with RGGI, no new gasoline vehicles, no gas stoves, high prices at the pump, high Dominion bills to support the wind farm, and on and on. This makes so much sense Mr. Larry. I see the light. Thank you blue team. Thank you Greta. This is so wunnerful!

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            Here’s the deal. If we say we’re not going to move until others also , then what happens?

            Did we get “clobbered” when we did pollution credits for acid rain or toughened standards for coal plants or required localities to clean up their sewage? Did we “hurt’ the economy when we went
            after the folks putting Kepone in the river? See the light James. Just recognize some simple
            realities about what we have done, that did cost money initially but paid dividends downstream.

            80% of the countries in the world (including this one) STILL dump RAW SEWAGE into rivers …
            but that’s not a reason to say we should not continue cleaning up. In the longer run, cleaner
            rivers are an economic benefit as is cleaner air and China will see this also. It costs a lot of
            money for medical care for people who are injured by dirty air and water…

          3. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            I see the light Mr. Larry. But when I flick the switch Dominion robs my wallet and RGGI takes the silver.
            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIklz5_o3QQ&t=2s

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            I bet you don’t pay more than 25 cents an hour for electricity… right?

          5. DJRippert Avatar

            So, now we’ve gone from China being 25 years behind to China being 75 years behind.

          6. LarrytheG Avatar

            They’re behind… how far…is debatable… and may well depend on the kind of pollution.

            We STILL have problematic air quality some days in some cities. It’ not at all like we have pristine air! We have less dirty air.

          7. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
            energyNOW_Fan

            California is a special issue of stagnant air due to mountains.

          8. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Do you not remember other cities in the East? Not as bad as LA but still bad enough to
            have air quality alerts many days. California vehicle emissions laws ended up being on
            all American cars… and that, in turn, led to way better air quality in the cities.

  2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    It is not a question of whether a legislature can bind a future legislature. It is a given that it cannot.

    The question revolves around the interpretation of the RGGI legislation passed in 2020. The General Assembly was, in a word, sloppy with this legislation. Whether this was due to a degree of hubris on the part of Democrats that they were in the right and would, therefore, remain in the majority or from carelessness, I don’t know.

    The key section is 10.1-1330.https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title10.1/chapter13/section10.1-1330/ Whereas the section is replete with “shalls”, paragraph B says, “The Director [of the Department of Environmental Quality] is hereby authorized to establish, implement, and manage an auction program to sell allowances into a market-based trading program consistent with the RGGI program and this article.” [emphasis added]

    I have not read the briefs of the plaintiffs nor that of the Attorney General. However, from what I have read of the arguments made by the proponents of RGGI, the argument boils down to the word “authorized” being the legislature’s polite way of telling an agency what to do and that, reading the section as a whole, it is clear that it was the legislature’s intent for the state to participate in RGGI. Unfortunately for these proponents, Virginia courts tend to look at the plain words of a statute and not the imputed intent. In plain words, “Authorized” means “you may do it” and not “you shall do it”.

    Another factor weighing against the plaintiffs is the language

    in Sec. 10.1-1331.https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title10.1/chapter13/section10.1-1331/ That section starts off with the following words, “If the Governor seeks to include the Commonwealth as a full participating in RGGI or another carbon trading program with an open auction of allowances, of if the Department implements the final carbon trading regulation as approved by the Board….” That wording obviously provides discretion to the Governor and DEQ to participate in RGGI.

    As for the regulations adopted and then repealed by the Air
    Pollution Control Board, the situation is somewhat muddled. I disagree with the administration that the Board has the authority to repeal those regulations. Paragraph A of Sec. 10.1-1330 clearly says, “The provisions of this article shall be incorporated by the Department into the final regulation adopted by the Board on April 19, 2019….” [emphasis added] The provisions of the article
    that are referred to set forth the terms of the auction of CO2 allowances and the disposition of the revenue from those auctions. It does not seem to me that the Department has the authority to repeal those regulations. However, if the Governor withdraws the Commonwealth from RGGI, as he seems to have the authority to do, there would be no allowances to auction and the regulations would be moot.

    1. Your comments show how the General Assembly used sloppy legal drafting in framing the legislation.

    2. DJRippert Avatar

      This wasn’t legislation over jaywalking or changing the official state song. It was legislation over the energy future of the state that raised prices by $800M in three years.

      Nobody, from either party, asked whether joining the RGGI was being mandated?

  3. DJRippert Avatar

    “Another auction for carbon emission allowances was held in early September, and the state has now collected $730.3 million in less than three years from electric power producers using coal, oil or natural gas. The total could exceed $800 million after Virginia’s final auction in December. Most if not all is passed on to customers one way or another.”

    Yet another hidden tax foisted on Virginians by the oracles of opaqueness in Richmond.

    Using taxes to change behavior could be acceptable if:

    1. The taxes are clearly identified as such. For example, this $800M would be communicated to ratepayers directly with a line item on the electricity bill stating, “Clean energy tax”.

    2. The state government lowered other taxes by the amount collected. In other words, shift taxes instead of just adding another tax.

    Unfortunately, our state government is continuing its deplorable habits of levying hidden taxes and continuing to grow at a rate well beyond the sum of inflation and population growth.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar

      Once Government establishes a tax it is nearly if not impossible to get it repealed. They just love that revenue, it allows them to grow.

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        Exactly. So, the gutless wonders we elect to write the laws should at least have the minimal honesty to clearly indicate the new taxes they are imposing.

        These are the same people who demand “truth in advertising”, “truth in labeling”, etc.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar

      You know, this same approach was used for acid rain and it was “invented” by Conservatives as I recall.

      “In recent years, the term “cap and trade” has become a dirty word for many Republicans. But Republicans used to be the big advocates of cap and trade. It was originally a conservative idea because it’s a market-based approach to environmental regulation.

      Robert Stavins is a Harvard economist who was on the EPA’s Environmental Economics Advisory Board under both Republican and Democratic presidents. And he watched Presidents Reagan, George H.W. Bush and George W. Bush push through cap-and-trade approaches to pollution controls.”

      https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/3995ce063a2bb514b4cf7793c82439e8d4571654e92590a60353f3582559291b.jpg

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        Please show me where I directly stated or even inferred that the bad behavior of the General Assembly was due to Democrats and not Republicans.

      2. The concept is always used for NESHAPS where if one wants to emit toxins, one has to purchase the write to pollute as a point source and then the pollution purchase is discounted. That is one of the reasons that closing coal fired plants and replacing them with gas fired plants works.

  4. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Virginia Dems strive to make their eco mandates as biting and permanent (hard to change). That’s the issue also with the Va Dem mandate to ban gasoline cars when crazy California does. It was designed by Va Dems to be a draconian mandate that cannot be reversed or changed.

  5. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Virginia Dems strive to make their eco mandates as biting and permanent (hard to change). That’s the issue also with the Va Dem mandate to ban gasoline cars when crazy California does. It was designed by Va Dems to be a draconian mandate that cannot be reversed or changed.

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