Medicaid Expansion a Dangerous Choice for Virginia

The Hindenburg — what happens to unsustainable bloat

by James A. Bacon

Thanks to the Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare, Virginia now faces the choice of whether or not to expand its Medicaid program. We are sure to hear many arguments along the line of Judy Solomon with the Center for Budget Priorities that Medicaid expansion is a “good deal for states.” She makes three key points:

  • The Congressional Budget Office estimates (assuming all states implement the expansion) that the federal government will bear nearly 93 percent of the costs of the Medicaid expansion over its first nine years.
  • The additional cost to the states represents only a 2.8 percent increase in what states would have spent on Medicaid from 2014 to 2022 in the absence of health reform.
  • Moreover, this 2.8 percent figure overstates the net impact on state budgets because it does not reflect the savings that state and local governments will realize in health-care costs for the uninsured.

The state cost share of extending Medicaid to the near-poor will escalate to 10% by 2020, with the result that the increase in state spending will be considerably higher than 2.8% after that date, but it still will be a bargain compared to the nearly 50% share Virginia pays for the existing Medicaid population. The program will pump billions of dollars into Virginia’s economy and, by providing coverage for people whose treatment was often written off as uncompensated care, it will reduce pressure on hospitals and other providers to shift costs to privately insured patients.

Thus, from a pragmatic, short-term perspective, the argument for participating in the Medicaid expansion is a powerful one. We can expect people to assert that only people who are consumed with hatred for President Obama could possibly oppose it.

But the choice is not a simple one at all. Virginians must ask: How long will the federal government be able to maintain its commitment? Given the current fiscal trajectory of the federal government — $15.9 trillion in debt, a tepid economic recovery made even more wobbly by a weakening global economy, and trillion-dollar deficits as far as the eye can see — federal entitlements are unsustainable. If Congress doesn’t move first to pare back entitlements, federal spending will collapse when capital markets stop funding deficit spending.

When federal spending is curtailed, either voluntarily or involuntarily, how likely is it that the government can sustain its promised Medicaid payments? What are the odds that Uncle Sam will stick the states with a bigger share of the bill? And once the new entitlement has been created, how willing will the General Assembly be to cut off hundreds of thousands of Virginians from the program? It is far easier to say, “No,” before the program is ramped up than after the near-poor, some of whom have private insurance, has become dependent upon government largesse.

As the nation hurtles toward Boomergeddon, it is folly to increase the size and scope of the entitlement state. President Obama and his philosophical allies may have won the Medicaid-expansion battle at the national level, but that is no reason to replicate the fiscal lunacy at the state level. The only sustainable way to expand health care coverage is to drive down the cost of delivery, and the only sustainable way to drive down the cost of delivery is to aggressively pursue gains in provider productivity and patient outcomes.

We need a thorough vetting of all the issues. I can see the short-term advantages of expanding Medicaid but I fear the long-term consequences.


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  1. larryg Avatar

    re: hate of Obama.

    Nope. It’s when the opposition ignores the facts and realities and chooses to believe what the right wing propaganda machine spouts about the “govt takeover of health care”:

    PolitiFact’s Lie of the Year: ‘A government takeover of health care’
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2010/dec/16/lie-year-government-takeover-health-care/

    once this premise becomes your preamble – and it’s associated with Obama – where can you go after that in terms of alternative proposals to what Obama is proposing?

    This mindset basically opposes any/all proposals and offers nothing as a real alternative.

    an except is an example of what is a non-response to the problem because of it’s breathtaking generic and not specific ideas:

    “The only sustainable way to expand health care coverage is to drive down the cost of delivery, and the only sustainable way to drive down the cost of delivery is to aggressively pursue gains in provider productivity and patient outcomes.”

    Jesus H Keeeerist – what the heck does THIS mean? It could mean anything. WHAT is a SPECIFIC approach to accomplish this generic goal?

    the bigger point here about MedicAid expansion.

    Do you believe that these people currently not covered by MedicAid do not get health care? If you do believe that you’re living in a dream world.

    These folks go to the ER to get their care – at 3, 4, 5 times what it would cost if they were on MedicAid.

    Will you pay? Yes you will. What do you what to pay – ER rates or non-ER rates.

    the only alternative to you paying is to get the GOP to REPEAL EMTALA at the same time they repeal ObamaCare.

    Name a GOP politician who has seriously proposed to kill EMTALA.

    NADA. ZIP.

    How can you support EMTALA and then pretend that denying MedicAid saves money?

    the whole concept is rooted is a refusal to deal with the actual realities as they currently exist.

    You want to “drive down the cost of delivery”. How about starting with the ERs?

    how would you reduce the use of the ERs for non-emergency care?

    answer please.

  2. larryg Avatar

    the basic problem with health care in this country is that those who oppose changes – don’t have any real alternatives.

    They realize that they can’t really say “leave it alone” so they try to act like they support changes but the the truth is in their “suggestions” which are so generic and non-specific as to be laughable.

    The one specific one is tort reform but none of the advocates will agree to have it “scored” because if it is “scored”, a gaping hole for the rest of the problem will remain and we’ll be right back at the ” we could do this or do that” and little more.

    The reality is that those who oppose – have no alternative proposals that involve the govt because they are opposed to the govt being involved in health care to start with.

    Look around the world. How many countries have the kind of non-govt health care that these folks say should be our goal?

    the only countries that have non-govt health care are 3rd world countries.

    there is not a single country in the entire world that has a comparable health care system to the countries who do it with govt. None.

    Yet this is pretty much the oppositions proposal.

    so they won’t really give any alternative that involves the govt – and instead talking about concepts like “driving down the cost of delivering health care” (but not with govt rules, Gawd forbid).

    this is why I call these folks posers and hypocrites.

    If they actually fessed up to the American public as to what their actual philosophical beliefs are – they’d be rejected out of hand and rightly so.

    So instead, they play the propaganda game to conjure up as many boogeymen as they can for any health care than involves the govt.

    then they refuse to move on any of it.

    this describes the current anti-Obama folks to a “T”. They have no real alternative proposals just meaningless, pointless blather liberally mixed with boogeymen against doing anything that involves govt.

    these are folks who would govern the country.

  3. Given the massive debt load carried by Uncle Sam, it makes no sense to make a state policy decision based on the assumption the federal government will continue funding at proposed levels. It also doesn’t make any sense to take on a new and costly program at the state level. If I were in the General Assembly, I’d vote NO.
    A couple of broader comments. When a program, say universal health care, affects most eveyone in society, there aren’t enough rich people to fund it. That means funding requires taxes/fees from virtually everyone. Presumably, people at the bottom don’t have enough money to fund their own way. If they did, they’d have health insurance already and we wouldn’t have health care reform. So with not enough rich people and a large number of low-income people, there’s no one left to hit but the middle class. Most people in the middle class probably don’t feel “rich enough” to fund their own health insurance, plus make a considerable payment to help those with lower incomes. Add to this the fact that a sizable portion of the middle class probably have insurance, and most people are generally satisfied with their own insurance. This creates a huge resentment factor that will cloud the ACA as it is phased in. Everyone likes things until the bills start arriving.
    This is very different from Social Security or Medicare. There the average person did not have retirement income or retirement health care benefits. So FDR & LBJ were able to form a new social contract — everyone pays during their working career and everyone gets on retirement.
    BHO, on the other hand, has created a situation where many have and are now asked to pay more so that many who don’t have, get. The payers don’t get anything but a higher bill. The political calculus is very different.

  4. larryg Avatar

    but TMT, you pay for those folks health care already and you do it at a rate that is twice what other countries pay.

    it don’t matter who is President – the basic health care problem is the same and that is we have a system that pretends that people without insurance don’t get health care – instead of recognizing the reality that they do get health care but it costs twice, three times as much than if they received that care in a non-ER setting.

    you can blame this on BHO but the problem was there before he came along and if we don’t deal with it, it will be here long after he is gone.

    What kind of philosophy do we have when we have a decades-long unresolved problem that we blame on one President who is trying to do something about it and the opposition has no answers other than stop this guy and play games about a real alternative approach?

    what I’d get out of this is that we’d rather blame someone than actually do something about it.

  5. Larry, I agree on payment for emergency room care, which, as you note, is high priced. But without insurance, a lot of people don’t seek care. I’m not trying to say “let them eat cake.” But the costs for covering these people without insurance and their soon-to-be higher usage will largely hit people in the middle class who aren’t getting anything for their higher taxes.
    Obama’s plan has very little about cutting costs and adding efficiencies. It’s all about expanding coverage — on the backs of the middle class. I don’t see how putting 1/5 of the country’s economy under the influence of the federal government helps much of anything.
    From what I’ve seen, there doesn’t seem to be any incentives for individuals to manage their own care, which might result in cost savings. I had eye surgery this winter. It was unexpected, but I still went to a plan-approved surgeon – saving me and the insurance company money. Look at Lasik surgery. Generally no insurance coverage, so there’s price competition.
    The argument you are making is much like DJR on transportation. Just do something.

  6. Larry, I agree on payment for emergency room care, which, as you note, is high priced. But without insurance, a lot of people don’t seek care. I’m not trying to say “let them eat cake.” But the costs for covering these people without insurance and their soon-to-be higher usage will largely hit people in the middle class who aren’t getting anything for their higher taxes.
    Obama’s plan has very little about cutting costs and adding efficiencies. It’s all about expanding coverage — on the backs of the middle class. I don’t see how putting 1/5 of the country’s economy under the influence of the federal government helps much of anything.
    From what I’ve seen, there doesn’t seem to be any incentives for individuals to manage their own care, which might result in cost savings. I had eye surgery this winter. It was unexpected, but I still went to a plan-approved surgeon – saving me and the insurance company money. Look at Lasik surgery. Generally no insurance coverage, so there’s price competition.
    The argument you are making is much like DJR on transportation. Just do something.

  7. larryg Avatar

    TMT – do you think not treating things that need to be treated and then deferring them until they are much worse and more advanced and THEN going to the ER where you WILL PAY for them is a better path?

    You seem to think that the middle class right now is avoiding the costs of treating these folks.

    Do you really believe that?

    non-govt, privatized health care does not “work” unless you deny access to ERs.

    No industrialized country in the world does what we keep saying we should do – because there is no feasible way to do it unless we go back to a 3rd world mentality for health care where the folks who can’t afford it – simply cannot get it – there is no EMTALA.

    So we as Americans lack the cojones to actually have a system that works the way we pretend it does now but does not.

    the reason health care is 1/5 of our economy but only 1/10 of all other industrialized countries is because we insist on believing the myth that the middle class in this country does not pay for the care of those who don’t have insurance.

    We live in denial. Our choice is do we pay for care for the uninsured – at ERs after they have refused sooner more cost-effective treatment or do we pay for earlier intervention and less costly outcomes by putting off medical care until it advances to much more costly stages and then gets treated at the most expensive option – the ER?

    this is what I do not understand about folks who are opposed. They apparently believe that we do not already pay for the uninsured care.

  8. Even if you reduce ER costs (which I think Obamacare might well do), you will increase costs as more people are covered at subsidized rates. So long as there is third-party coverage and political protection against co-pays and deductibles, there will be more and more usage. And the bill goes to the Middle Class.

  9. larryg Avatar

    How about if ER – USE is reduced so that less ER doctors are needed and the cost of care goes down as those who relied on ER now get more cost-effective access to health care?

    the amount of usage will still be controlled. MedicAid will not pay for any/all costs no more than Medicare does.

    Isn’t this how other industrialized countries pay 1/2 of what we do?

    I swear.. it seems to me that we are found and determined to not be “confused” with the facts.

    we are bound and determined to believe that paying for MedicAid won’t affect the use of the ERs and the attendant cost-shifting to people who do have insurance. We believe this even as every other industrialized country’s experience contradicts that view.

    Most important here – what is the alternative to this if we do not do this?

    Isn’t it true – that there is no real alternative at all? That we just want to keep the current system?

    I’m seeing this not as a moral issue but purely as an economic one in which we have a choice to go to a more cost-effective system – or not.

    If I heard a competitive proposal for a more cost-effective system, I’d be more than willing to entertain it as a choice but right now our choice seems to be ObamaCare and nothing.

  10. Why not repeal the law that requires hospitals to treat everyone; extend the ability of parents to keep children on their policies until age 26, while collecting premiums; allow individuals to purchase insurance across state lines; allow states to set up purchasing pools? Also permit everyone to deduct the amount of any premium paid by or on behalf of an individual, while phasing in a cap. I suspect these reforms would make some changes.

    1. That sounds suspiciously like a market-driven approach. As LarryG repeatedly reminds us, no other country with an advanced economy has ever tried that. If it hasn’t been tried before, it can’t possibly work!

  11. larryg Avatar

    yes.. my over 200 countries HAVE DONE THAT – and all of those countries are called 3rd world. So yes, it has been tried A LOT and the results of true free-market health care are abundant – 200+ countries worth.

    Don’t you think out of 200 experiments that some would be promising?

    TMT sez – kids til 26, purchase across state lines, etc – are those not govt regs and not free-market?

    I’m ALL FOR – ANY legitimate competitive alternative that is scored in a similar way that ObamaCare has been scored. I’d even sign on to a non-govt entity scoring as long as the method could be shown and validated as reasonable.

    For instance, we hear about tort reform –

    here’s one scoring:

    ” According to the actuarial consulting firm Towers Perrin, medical malpractice tort costs were $30.4 billion in 2007, the last year for which data are available. We have a more than a $2 trillion health care system. That puts litigation costs and malpractice insurance at 1 to 1.5 percent of total medical costs. ”

    http://prescriptions.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/31/would-tort-reform-lower-health-care-costs/

    the biggest failure of the opponents of ObamaCare .. AND our current system is they have put nothing of a concrete nature on the table as a viable alternative.

    They are basically AWOL from the game so their strategy is essentially to throw as many rocks as they can to what IS on the table.

    That’s not only not productive. It’s destructive.

    Don’t blame ObamaCare. Give me an alternative. If you are unwilling to actually perform due diligence why would you tear down and obstruct as your only response?

    You have 200+ truly free-market health care systems in the world and yet you say it’s never been tried.

    Pick one or more but put something specific on the table if you are serious.

  12. LarryG wrote, “You have 200+ truly free-market health care systems in the world and yet you say it’s never been tried.”

    Sorry, but that’s a ridiculous statement. First of all, most Third World countries can by no means be described as having free economies. Second, we are not going to model our health care system upon that of even a free country with 1/5th our per capita income. The fact is, no affluent country has tried a market-driven health care system.

    It will be interesting to see what happens as medical tourism takes hold and increasing numbers of Americans see quality health care in countries like India that have been free to evolve next-generation health care delivery systems.

  13. larryg Avatar

    Jim – you have 200 countries, each one a laboratory for free-market, market-driven health care.

    Why do they have to be affluent ? Why not a system that is free market but tailored to the country’s ability to afford it?

    Are you saying that NONE of the 3rd world countries have free economies?

    so you exclude any/all countries that are not already affluent?

    Okay – why do ALL the affluent countries have govt healthcare and NONE of them true market-driven care? Is that a giant coincidence?

    So you have no real world analog for what your support ? Not a single country in the world has anything like what you support?

    And you want to “try” this as an experiment?

    Would you at least agree that the proposal should be specific and scoreable or is it a total “trust us” argument ?

    Medical Tourism won’t save a 6yr old with appendicitis and his parents are broke and without insurance.

    Medical tourism won’t turn around a 55 year old with a chronic illness like diabetes.

    Medical Tourism won’t come with FDA-certified stents and shunts. Oh they might say “FDA-certified” but the package will say “Made in Burma” or some such.

    Ya’ll are evading the fundamental issue – you’re trying to drive around it rather than confronting it and that’s why there is no specific proposal on the table that can be scored.

    You’re a principled guy. I admire your character but on this issue – you’re as loose as a goose – even as you AGREE with me that the GOP is feckless on this.

  14. The high-productivity, high-quality “focused factories” that arise in medical tourism environments (most notably India so far) so how much inefficiency there is in the system. You keep asking, where has it done better? Well, health care is being delivered extraordinarily efficiently in focused factories that currently appeal to medical tourism. But their techniques and methods, were they not blocked out of the U.S. market, could be transplanted here. Trouble is, too many vested interests are arrayed against them… and Dems are hell bent on government-run health care.

  15. larryg Avatar

    Yup. Now tell me if the free market will fix this or the gov has to.

    this is a serious question.

    this is the dividing point between gov and the free market.

    what’s your choice?

  16. larryg Avatar

    I have a question for Jim/others.

    From your POV, is “market-driven” health care the same as “free market” health care?

    Bonus: Can health care be “market-driven” but with govt “help” or should it best be with no govt involvement?

    1. Government should have a role (1) to ensure that all Americans receive a basic standard of health care, (2) to protect the public against fraud and negligence, (3) to establish the regulatory framework for health insurance, and (4) collecting the data needed to provide price and quality transparency. The first can be done by giving poor people vouchers to buy health insurance. The second can be done through law enforcement and the courts. The third addresses questions like pre-existing conditions. The fourth is relatively simple. All the rest — the Medicare/Medicaid bureaucracy, certificates of public need, mandated benefits, the multiple layers of restrictive laws and regulations — should be repealed.

  17. larryg Avatar

    from Forbes: ” Your doctor tells you to get an MRI but fails to mention, usually because she doesn’t know, that it’ll cost you hundreds of dollars more to get it at the hospital next door than if you go to the clinic 2 miles away.

    So to make my question clear.

    In a free-market system – does the free-market willingly start to provide cost data and options (can you name some places that do?).

    And question two. If the free-market does not willingly provide this info right now – what would you advocate doing to require it?

    Would say that Govt should require it? How would you get it to happen without govt requiring it?

    If I saw this as one of the major points that the GOP proposed as an alternative to ObamaCare and they had it scored even if done so by some entity besides CBO (but credentialed and credible, verifiable) – then I would start to re-think whether or not ObamaCare was a good approach or not rather than the alternative proposal.

    I would take MORE than just that but that one key point would influence me.

    I put no stock at all in Tort reform bringing costs down but I’d certainly agree to it as long as it was scored and acknowledged as to what percent of reduction of health care it would provide – as opposed to the current open-ended claims that it would reduce costs “a lot” (which is just plain dumb and undermines my faith in the rest of their “suggestions”).

    What frustrates the hell out of me is the rock-throwing, tear-down, destructive approach to ObamaCare without putting forth a serious counter proposal that would convince MORE than just the current opponents – people like me who are looking for a better system and would expect a most cost-effective approach from people who promote themselves as fiscal conservatives.

    but I find no real positions from the GOP and in blog after blog – the typical narrative is bad ObamaCare bad and non-specific free-market, market-driven blather.

    From this, I deduce that the opponents of ObamaCare are not really serious about doing something different.

    They actually for the pre-ObamaCare status quo – which is nutty given the unsustainability of that system that even the fiscal conservatives say (rightly so) will destroy our economy and govt budget.

    how can we actually move forward?

  18. larryg Avatar

    re: ” Government should….”

    I agree with much – not sure that killing Medicare/MedicAid would not result in an even larger group of people without access to affordable medical care – this seems almost contradictory to your other points.

    but a bigger question on your belief of what govt should do.

    Is that view consistent with the GOP’s view – like Paul Ryan, Cantor, other Va GOP?

    are you espousing a typical GOP view on the role of govt or would you be classified as a RINO?

    1. I doubt I espouse a typical GOP point of view. Some conservatives share my thinking but not all that many. But so what? Since when did I get saddled with ownership of the GOP national platform on health care? I’m frequently critical of the GOP… indeed, I recently blogged that I found GOP health care-reform proposals to be deficient.

      You are the one with the Republican/Democrat fixation!

  19. larryg Avatar

    Well I think your view epitomizes the GOP view which is disjointed, disconnected and not a GOP view such that the GOP would agree as an entity to put forth an alternative, competitive proposal to ObamaCare.

    What we have is the GOP and folks like you hammering on ObamaCare without any of you taking any responsibility for putting forth a competitive alternative.

    How can we govern this way?

    Even if the GOP took control – what would actually happen?

    What we have is a “trust us”…when we take control we will do what is “right” as determined by the winners of an intra-GOP knock-down, drag-out.

    what kind of governance is this?

    kill ObamaCare and replace it with the Secret GOP plan?

    1. You said, “What we have is the GOP and folks like you hammering on ObamaCare without any of you taking any responsibility for putting forth a competitive alternative.”

      I have detailed my alternative in “Boomergeddon.” Do I have to repeat it every time in full when posting on the blog?

  20. larryg Avatar

    It would help if you gave a point by point and compared and contrasted with the GOP “Replace” proposal.

    If you proposal has no chance of being implemented / adopt even in pieces by the GOP and you continue to hammer on ObamaCare for it’s shortcomings, how does that move the debate forward?

    the problem here as I see it is that we have significant opposition to ObamaCare and no shortage of a bill of particulars of it’s shortcomings to include quite a bit of outright wrong information – and we have no opposition supported alternative – just dozens, hundreds of Ad Hoc “ideas”.

    So we advocate repeal of ObamaCare even though we have no alternative that we are supporting instead.

    that’s not governing.

    It’s one thing to have opposition. It’s another to have no serious alternative.

    1. I hammer on Obamacare because it is very destructive. The status quo, as bad as it is, is less bad than Obamacare. Furthermore, advancing Obamacare will foreclose any chance of advancing a market-based health care system. That makes it doubly pernicious.

  21. larryg Avatar

    “destructive”

    can you illustrate how ?

    ” Obamacare will foreclose any chance of advancing a market-based health care system.”

    It’s not like it’s permanent for all history guy. ANYTHING can be changed.
    If you can REPEAL it why can’t it actually be REPLACED with something better?

    Singapore has one of the better systems – but it does have an individual mandate but it also has a market-based system.

    the “exchanges” are similar to what Singapore has as well as Germany.

    but let me see the “destructive” and please if you use Heritage/Cato things, please fact check them to make sure they are not unsubstantiated propaganda.

  22. Government has a role in regulation to protect against fraud, misrepresentation and anti-competitive conduct. Where there is insufficient competition to restrain monopoly or oligopoly pricing, some form of price or profit regulation is appropriate. Sometimes this is an enforcement process, but, as appropriate, it could require affirmative steps.

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