Map of the Day: College Acceptance Rates

Source: Virginia Public Access Project

If you’re applying to one of Virginia’s four-year colleges, you stand the best chance of being admitted if you come from a non-metropolitan area, judging by this map compiled by the Virginia Public Access Project on the basis of recently published State Council of Higher Education for Virginia data. The odds are best of all if you come from one of Virginia’s coalfield counties.

Of the 74 students from Dickenson County who applied to a Virginia college in the 2019-20 and 2020-21 academic years, 97.4% were admitted somewhere. That compares to a 71.1% admittance rate for Fairfax County students. On the other hand, the number of Fairfax students applying to college was immeasurably larger — more than 22,000.

So, what’s going on? Are Virginia colleges predisposed to cut kids from poor rural areas more slack? Are kids from poor rural areas more qualified? Or do only the brightest kids from poor rural areas aspire to higher education and bother to apply?

Consider this comparison. Wise County, which adjoins Dickenson, has about 2.6 times the population. But 533 Wise County graduates applied to college — about 7.2 times the number (and were accepted at a 93.4% rate). That suggests there may be considerable variability in the aspirations of high school graduates. Perhaps socioeconomic status is a factor. The median household income in Wise is higher than in Dickenson — $38,000 compared to $30,000 per year — even though both counties are tied to the declining coal economy. Or maybe Wise County schools set higher expectations.

If you’re interested in these kinds of questions, check out the VPAP data display here. You’ll find not only the acceptance rate for all four-year colleges but for the state’s six most selective schools. For what it’s worth, Dickenson County sent a grand total of one student to the University of Virginia during the two years included in the database, compared to 2,606 from Fairfax County.

— JAB


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41 responses to “Map of the Day: College Acceptance Rates”

  1. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    “Are Virginia colleges predisposed to cut kids from poor rural areas more slack?”

    Yes, and it’s been going on for quite some time.

    Don’t believe me?

    Find the average SAT scores from admitted students to UVa by county.

    Some years ago I asked a General Assembly member about this. Apparently, UVa put great emphasis on class rank in high school. The less competitive the school the easier it is to be higher in class rank.

    1. FluxAmbassador Avatar
      FluxAmbassador

      Given that GPA is a better predictor of college success than standardized test scores, UVA is right to do so: https://news.uchicago.edu/story/test-scores-dont-stack-gpas-predicting-college-success

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Well that sounds like discrimination. I thought the idea was that it should be entirely by merit not where you lived or other demographic factors.

        I’m willing to bet that for every coalfield student admitted, a NoVa Asian is denied… right?

        1. FluxAmbassador Avatar
          FluxAmbassador

          GPA is…a…form…of…merit…?

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            yes.. but isn’t it supposed to be the best GPAs in Virginia – top down – by merit?

            If you don’t do that – you’re denying someone in NoVa with a higher GPA than someone in Wise, no?

            Totally by merit , not region, right?

            That’s what Conservative folks here in BR advocate I think.

          2. FluxAmbassador Avatar
            FluxAmbassador

            Forgive me, but I’m still a little confused as to what point you’re making in relationship to mine.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            There is no point, Larry just like to make blanket statements about Conservatives that have no basis.

          4. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Class rank <> GPA.

          5. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            GPA is … a…form…of…irrelevance since it was never mentioned in my comment.

          6. FluxAmbassador Avatar
            FluxAmbassador

            I was responding to Larry not you. Are you ever not in a foul mood?

          7. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            First of all, your original comment about the wisdom of using GPA was in reply to my comment. From there, you continue to make the same erroneous argument. I have every right to reply.

            Secondly, I have contributed to this blog for 15 years. I’ve written hundreds of articles and posted thousands of comments. As far as I’m concerned (keeping with our university theme) you’re on probation, pledge.

            My mood gets much more congenial when I’m dealing with people who can admit when they are wrong.

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Geographic diversity among in-state students is, and has been, a gold of UVa for quite some time.

      2. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Please find the term “GPA” in my comment. It’s not there. I said class rank.

        Even with GPA, your study defines college success as the graduation rate from college. That’s irrelevant at UVa. UVa has never had a problem with graduation rates.

        “The researchers found that each incremental increase in GPA is associated with an increase in the odds of graduating college. Across the high schools studied, students with high school GPAs under 1.5 had around a 20% chance of graduating from college. For students with GPAs of 3.75 or higher, those chances rose to around 80%.”

        UVa’s graduation rate is well over 90%.

        Beyond that, class rank (the actual metric I described) does not equal GPA. Given the extra credit on the GPA that a student gets from advanced classes it’s quite possible to be in the top 10% of a school by class rank with a lower GPA than than a student in a different school who is not in the top 10%.

        1. FluxAmbassador Avatar
          FluxAmbassador

          This is silliness. Of course it’s mathematically possible, but to say GPA and class rank are completely separate entities is foolish. And if anything, UVA’s 90-percent graduation rate buttresses my point that the university is correct to focus more on a GPA related measure than a standardized testing related measure.

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Class rank and GPA can vary widely. Schools with tough grading scales can have students with high class ranks and low GPAs relative to other schools. Schools where a lot of students take advanced classes where an A = 4.2 instead of 4.0 can have students with very high GPAs and lower relative class ranks than schools where few students take advanced classes.

            Most important however is the fact that the only person who contends that UVa uses GPAs as primary is you. Nobody else has made that contention.

            You are debating yourself.

      3. I assume you mean GPA is a better predictor when adjusted for the grading scales of the various school systems?

        At the time I attended Virginia Beach public schools, in the 8th through 12th grades the grading scale was as follows:

        95 – 100 = A
        88 – 94 = B
        81 – 87 = C
        75 – 80 = D
        <75 = F

        Directly comparing GPAs from students subject to that grading scale to students in a school system with a less rigorous grading scale would have done a disservice to students from Va. Beach.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Another good point.

        2. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          We had Honors courses where the grade was weighted, that however was only offered in Junior and Senior Year.

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Filling the reserved seats so they can get to that 1/3 maximum good “out-of-State” tuition money!

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Oh, you mean by bought “merit” if you agree to pay higher tuition? cool!

  3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Just compare the GPA and SAT average acceptance numbers for UVA to the average Loudoun or Fairfax County UVA acceptance numbers (any guidance counselor has these down to the HS level) and you will quickly see that kids from rural areas are indeed cut slack relatively speaking. Really though it is just a result of the supply and demand equation at play.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Don’t mention supply and demand. They only use that for justifying unfettered markets.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        hmm…. supply-side for Higher Ed… intersting….

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          DeVry?

    2. FluxAmbassador Avatar
      FluxAmbassador

      Is there anywhere to find these numbers online? My searching has turned up nothing.

        1. FluxAmbassador Avatar
          FluxAmbassador

          I will acknowledge that I could be the problem here, but I am not finding average GPA/SAT scores for UVA admission by locality on SCHEV.

          1. No, I don’t think SCHEV reports SAT scores. What a hornet’s nest!

          2. FluxAmbassador Avatar
            FluxAmbassador

            I assume there is some privacy concern there – if there’s like one student from Highland County at University of Richmond it would be trivially easy to figure out their SAT and GPA scores using the database.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            I only found the enrollment of individuals based upon local. Loudoun has remained steady and Fairfax has increased.

    3. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      “Just compare the GPA and SAT average acceptance numbers for UVA to the average Loudoun or Fairfax County UVA acceptance numbers (any guidance counselor has these down to the HS level) and you will quickly see that kids from rural areas are indeed cut slack relatively speaking.”

      A dose of reality. Thank you.

      But as for supply and demand? Do you really believe that UVa struggles to fill their in-state quota?

      It’s political. The university has a goal of in-state geographic diversity in admissions.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Which means they probably do turn down others with higher scores in regions already overly represented in favor of others with lower scores by in regions under-represented.

        right?

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Yes, it’s a form of discrimination based on geography. But not all discrimination is illegal or immoral. I think UVa discriminates in admissions in order to get geographical diversity. Is that illegal? No. Is it immoral? Maybe.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            If a NoVa Asian got turned down who had a higher score than a RoVa white kid, would that be “illegal”?

          2. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            I’m not a lawyer but probably not if the discrimination was based on geography rather than race.

            Look what’s going on at TJ. Better qualified Asian applicants will get turned down fundamentally because there were too many Asians. Whites, Blacks and Hispanics were under-represented vs the population so a lottery was instituted.

            Any way you slice it, TJ will no longer be accepting the best qualified applicants and a minority group called Asians will pay the price.

            I guess that’s not illegal.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            so you can do this by geography but not by demographics?

            How about geography for TJ?

      2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        No, I just mean that there are more kids competing for the NoVa slots so the demand for those slots is higher as are the successful scores as a result. So, yes, it is due to a situation UVa creates by seeking geographic diversity but I think that is understandable. If everyone was on an even footing then the top tier schools would be all NoVa kids. That doesn’t seem right. I had three kids that had to deal with that (two W&M and a UVa – Engineering) and it is definitely a real thing.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          “If everyone was on an even footing then the top tier schools would be all NoVa kids. That doesn’t seem right.”

          I would change “all” to “disproportionately” but I agree.

          I’m less in agreement that it “doesn’t seem right”.

          There are plenty of public colleges and universities in Virginia. Some are more selective than others. Why shouldn’t the most selective take the best qualified applicants?

          The reverse of it being unfair to have disproportionately fewer kids from certain geographies is it being unfair to have kids who have studied and worked hard denied admission to top schools because of where they grew up.

          One thing for sure – nobody is going to care where you grew up after you graduate.

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          OK, I get your supply and demand point. But wouldn’t expanding UVa, VT and W&M so more in-state students could attend be an idea worth considering?

  4. Paul Sweet Avatar
    Paul Sweet

    I wonder whether UVa Wise was included as part of Uva, or as a separate college.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    CRT — Critical Ruralism Theory.

    Hmmm, so to “level the playing field” you have to go beyond just region-blind, you must become anti-regionalist?

    We should teach that in the K-12. Maybe we can put an end to the city kids calling them rednecks.

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