The Louise Lucas Recall Attempt

Louise Lucas

by Kerry Dougherty

This may come as a shock, but I don’t like what’s happening to State Sen. Louise Lucas, D-Portsmouth.

No, this isn’t a coded message to signal that I’m being held somewhere against my will. I honestly believe that attempts to get the courts to remove her from office are misguided.

Make that court.

With the proper number of signatures, citizens in Virginia may ask a circuit court judge to decide if a public official should get the boot.

The threshold number of signatures is relatively small, too. Just 10% of the number of voters in the last election, which in this case comes to 4,651. The Virginian-Pilot reports that the petitioners claim to have thousands more names than needed.

Look, the attempt by conservative citizens disgusted by Lucas’ behavior over the destruction of the Portsmouth Confederate Monument in June 2020 is well intentioned. But, the thought of a Chesapeake Circuit Court judge overturning the will of more than 40,000 voters is frankly chilling.

Especially in a case where the elected official has not been convicted of a crime. (Felony charges against Lucas were dropped last year.)

As best anyone can remember, the last time this statue was used was in 2016 when Norfolk City Treasurer Anthony Burfoot was headed for his day in recall court. A felony conviction and prison sentence beat the judge to it.

This recall exercise is simply a grand gesture, likely to go nowhere. I hesitate to point this out, but the 77-year-old Lucas, who’s been in the General Assembly for 29 years and been on the wrong side of nearly every issue, ran unopposed in at least the last three elections. Shoot, she hasn’t had a serious opponent since 1991, when she edged out Republican Frank M. Ruff by 1,366 votes.

In 2019, she garnered 43,021 votes with no one else on the ballot. Face it, Lucas is wildly popular in her district.

The people have spoken. That should matter.

Oh, and there’s another reason that Lucas’ removal by a judge is unlikely: She helps PICK the judges.

Does anyone really believe they’re going to turn around and sack her?

It’s safe to assume that the Chesapeake judges will recuse themselves from the Lucas case and an out-of-town judge will hear the matter.

According to The Virginian-Pilot, this rarely used law offers several reasons an elected official can be removed:

State law outlines numerous reasons why an elected official can be recalled from the job, including for certain criminal convictions. Other reasons include “neglect of duty, misuse of office, or incompetence in the performance of duties,” according to the law.

These petitioners are charging Lucas with “misuse of office,” a vague accusation.

Hard to imagine a judge agreeing with them and tossing the president pro tempore of the Senate out on her ear.

Tidewater — and all of Virginia — is likely stuck with Louise Lucas for as long as she wants to remain in Richmond.

Quixotic attempts by her political opponents to remove her via the courts are unlikely to succeed. Beyond that, asking one person to overturn the will of the voters seems profoundly undemocratic.

This column has been republished with permission from Kerry: Unemployed & Unedited.


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44 responses to “The Louise Lucas Recall Attempt”

  1. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Kerry is showing the TOTAL LACK of any idea of what goes on the district by this. Totally. Jim, have her stick to something she knows and isn’t clueless about before allowing her to post.

    1. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      She’s right on target, Vic.

      1. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        Not by folks living in Lucasville she aint. For those of us from there, lived there, and still have folks there, not by a long shot.

        1. John Harvie Avatar
          John Harvie

          I lived in an Old Towne apartment on Dinwiddie several years, and also on my boat which was docked in Tidewater Yacht marina for about 25 years. When not living in Gosport we visited often.

          1. vicnicholls Avatar
            vicnicholls

            Well the folks living there now – including the People’s Pastor, how many do you know living there now and when did you live there “several years”. Visiting and living there when every couple of nights guns go off in the area, big difference than “visiting”.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      That would drop her back to her favorite subject — her.

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      The point is not whether one approves of Lucas or even likes her. The point is that a judge should not be able to overturn an election because some constituents are upset with the office holder.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Exactly right. It’s a bad approach to elective government. Imagine then the battle over appointed judges…they’d become de-facto political arms of whatever party appointed them.

        Talk about 3rd world thinking!

        1. Bryan Burgess Avatar
          Bryan Burgess

          They already are …Stop being naive..

  2. Publius Avatar
    Publius

    Ok…it’s not going to succeed. We know that. Why wasn’t she prosecuted?
    To ask that question is to answer it.
    Do you know the AG’s office says it has no documents concerning her non-prosecution?
    I find that hard to believe, but it is possible that the corrupt non-prosecution decision was entirely local. So, even though it will lose, make them defend the indefensible. Eventually, standing up for truth will win. People will see how corrupt their legislators are, their judges, their prosecutors, their school boards, etc. Put the spotlight on the illegal, the immoral, the wrong. Alinsky them back.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      We have something called elections to “put the spotlight on the illegal, the immoral, the wrong.”

      1. Publius Avatar
        Publius

        Like Hunter Biden’s laptop?
        If we had a real media that applied the same standards to all of our elected and bureaucratic losers, we’d have better government (and less of it). As it is, with the media apparati being the home team umpire…

        DJR on the washing of campaign funds above would be a good story. Expose it wherever it is, not just for one side. The corruption in our federal and state governments is astounding.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Whose laptop?! What is all THAT about?! First I’ve heard anything…!!

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            You obviously are not a connoisseur of right wing media!

  3. Scott A. Surovell Avatar
    Scott A. Surovell

    There’s a reason this has never been used to remove a member of the General Assembly.

    The Constitution of Virginia provides that the exclusive means of removing members of the General Assembly lies with their respective Chambers and a 2/3rd’s vote. There is nearly identical language in the United States Constitution and most other state constitutions.

    The only way to remove the Governor, LG, AG, or any officer elected by the General Assembly (judges) is impeachment.

    The statute they have filed under only applies to local government officials like City Council, supervisors, school board, and constitutional officers.

    This is one reason there is no venue provision in the statute – it is to be filed in the locality involved. If a legislator has one precinct in a County is that proper venue? Is every Circuit Court in Virginia a proper venue to remove a Governor?

    This legal action isn’t going to last long.

    1. WayneS Avatar

      “The Constitution of Virginia provides that the exclusive means of removing members of the General Assembly lies with their respective Chambers and a 2/3rd’s vote. ”

      If you have the time will you please elaborate on this? It does not appear to me that the Virginia Constitution states that impeachment is the only means by which a member of the GA, a Governor, LG, AG, or other officers elected by the General Assembly may be removed from office.

      Is/are there courts case(s) regarding this issue?

      1. Scott A. Surovell Avatar
        Scott A. Surovell

        There are no decisions interpreting it that I’m aware of, but there’s a little bit of commentary in A.E. Dick Howard’s Commentaries on the Constitution of Virginia which notes the parallel language in the U.S. Constitution and state constitutions which would be persuasive authority.

        Moreover, it creates a nonsensical interpretation.
        If you interpret “elected officials” to mean everyone, that would include the Governor, LG, AG, judges (who are constitutional officers elected by the General Assembly), and it creates chaos. How would a judge remove a judge? Which Circuit Court has venue to remove the Governor, LG or AG?

        1. WayneS Avatar

          I agree that the issue of jurisdiction may make the law unenforceable against a state-level official. Having such a petition reach a judge would certainly be interesting to watch.

          Regarding the U.S. Constitution, if the language in that document regarding impeachment applies to state-level elected officials then why are other states’ recall laws not unconstitutional? Or were you using the U.S. Constitution as an analog rather than an example?

          I will take a look at A.E. Dick Howard’s commentaries. Thank you for your kind response.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            A.E. Dick Howards views are worth knowing.

    2. tmtfairfax Avatar
      tmtfairfax

      I don’t like recall elections. Voters should wait until the next primary or general election. As the Senator suggests, impeachment is the way to get rid of someone in office who has committed acts of malfeasance.

      1. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        Not always.

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      With some hesitancy, I must disagree with you on the statute not being applicable to General Assembly members. The statute (Sec. 24.2-233 https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/24.2-233/) says “any elected official”. [emphasis added] It is located in the chapter of Title 24.2 entitled “Federal, Commonwealth, and Local Officers”.

      I do agree with you that the legal action will not last long.

      1. Scott A. Surovell Avatar
        Scott A. Surovell

        The Special Prosecutor doesn’t oppose the request for dismissal because the recall statute doesn’t apply to legislators
        https://www.pilotonline.com/government/virginia/vp-nw-lucas-recall-show-cause-hearing-20210701-gredqforjba4ngaq4c3t5ggujq-story.html

    4. emjak Avatar

      It is necessary to look at various provisions of the Virginia Constitution and the Virginia Code to get a sense of the legal landscape.

      Virginia Code, Article 7 “Removal of Public Officers from Office” contains Sections 24.2-230 through 24.2-238

      Section 24.2-230 (Applicability of article; certain exceptions) states: “This article shall apply to all elected or appointed Commonwealth, constitutional, and local officials, except officers for whose removal the Constitution of Virginia specifically applies.” None of the statutory exceptions pertain to members of the General Assembly.

      Virginia Constitution, Article IV, Section 7 (“Organization of General Assembly”) states: “Each house shall judge of the election, qualification, and returns of its members, may punish them for disorderly behavior, and, with the concurrence of two-thirds of its elected membership, may expel a member.”

      Virginia Constitution, Article IV, Section 17 (“Impeachment”) states: “The Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, judges, members of the State Corporation Commission, and all officers appointed by the Governor or elected by the General Assembly, offending against the Commonwealth by malfeasance in office, corruption, neglect of duty, or other high crime or misdemeanor may be impeached by the House of Delegates and prosecuted before the Senate, which shall have the sole power to try impeachments.”

      A member of the General Assembly is an elected official that falls under the scope of VA Code Section 24.2-230 UNLESS members of the General Assembly are “officers for whose removal the Constitution of Virginia specifically provides.”

      Virginia Code Section 24.2-230 does not apply to the officials listed in Virginia Constitution, Article IV, Section 17 (“Impeachment”), but members of the General Assembly are not listed in that provision.

      Virginia Constitution, Article IV, Section 7 covers expulsion of members of the General Assembly by a 2/3 votes of their respective legislative body, but the expulsion language seems linked to “disorderly conduct” (presumably disorder that disrupts the General Assembly).

      Virginia Constitution, Article I, Section 2 (People the source of power) — “That all power is vested in, and consequently derived from the people, that magistrates are their trustees and servants, and at all times amenable to them.”

      A Virginia Court could construe Virginia Code Section 24.2-230 in conjunction with Virginia Constitution, Article I, Section 2 and conclude that members of the General Assembly covered by Section 24.2-230 because expulsion for disorderly conduct in the General Assembly is not sufficient to satisfy the “amenable to [the people]” language of Article I, Section 2.

      After all, why should every elected or appointed official in Virginia be subject to removal by impeachment (Article IV, Section 17) or statutory removal under VA Code, Article 7 but only members of the Virginia Assembly are immune from removal?

      It would make for an interesting court case.

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        I agree with your conclusion, but not with how you got there. The Constitutional provision relating to “disorderly behavior” is pretty vague and subjective. It could refer to disorderly behavior on the floor (running nude down the center aisle, for example) or it could refer to actions outside the legislature, even if those actions were not illegal. But, there is no language that implies that the legislature has exclusive authority to expel a member on grounds of behavior. So, I fall back on the statutory language of “any elected official”.

        1. Scott A. Surovell Avatar
          Scott A. Surovell

          Well…. I wasn’t writing to legal brief standards, but if the legislature’s plenary legislative power encompassed the authority to pass a statute delegating the removal of members, then the language about disciplining/removing members would be completely unnecessary surplusage.

          Seems to me that the only way to construe the constitutional provisions in pari materia is to find that the constitutional pathway is the exclusive pathway and not a supplemental off-ramp.

          Otherwise, the legislature could create a means to remove members with extremely low bars to evade the 2/3rds vote requirement in Article IV, Sect. 7 which is clearly their to prevent partisan mischief and the General Assembly could legislate around virtually all of the other constitutional restrictions on its power.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            or… we could have elections… 😉

          2. emjak Avatar

            Any new statute that specifically authorized the General Assembly to expel any member by less than 2/3 vote of the member’s legislative body probably would be struck down as violative of Virginia Constitution, Article IV, Section 7.

            Since removal of elected officials pursuant to VA Code Section 24.2-233 has to be initiated by a petition signed by sufficient registered voters and adjudicated by a circuit court, neither house of the General Assembly can invoke that statute to justify its expulsion of a member.

            My tentative analysis focused on the right of Virginians (under VA Constitution, Article I, Section 2) to hold their elected officials accountable, which is separate from the authority of the General Assembly under VA Constitution, Article IV, Section 7.

            I was suggesting a path of reasoning by which a Virginia court could decide the two provisions of the VA Constitution were compatible and allow a citizen petition for removal of a General Assembly member under VA Code Section 24.2-233.

            As I noted in my original comment, it would be an interesting court case. It would clearly raise serious constitutional questions. But, although constitutional cases of first impression are not common, they do occur. See, e.g., Howell v. McAuliffe, 788 S.E.2d 706 (July 22, 2016) (VA Supreme Court on scope of Governor’s clemency power)

  4. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    My favorite shipbuilder in the General Assembly. The ONLY shipbuilder in the General Assembly, although her time as a fitter at Norfolk Naval Shipyard (not Newport News) was (ahem) a few years back. On that basis alone she and I always had a good working relationship, despite a host of policy differences. She has one of those arresting personalities, always the best dressed lady in the building, and I admit a weakness for the outsized characters down there.

    This effort will likely fail, and the energy would be better spent finding a qualified candidate to at least give her some competition and force her to discuss her record. Virginia’s recall law is pretty pathetic, by design.

    I may have a better grasp on Portsmouth politics than some, Vic, but the word Byzantine might not cover it….So I will not claim any insight.

    1. vicnicholls Avatar
      vicnicholls

      My grandmother was a supervisor in the shipyard when she was. My grandmother was never promoted because she had a young African American teen named Pete who she tried to get promoted, said he was the best worker she ever had, and no one would help her. She went to Lucas, who wouldn’t do anything. My grandmother despised Lucas, since she wouldn’t help her. So it started all the way back there and I have others who will also tell similiar stories. In Pistol City, she’s known for a bad reputation for doing similar garbage, and looking out for hers’ and her own at the expense of decent taxpayers.

      Btw, it would remove her seniority. At least one dent in her and that needs to be there.

  5. LesGabriel Avatar
    LesGabriel

    Two points– One reason that Republicans might want to be leary of efforts to recall Delegates and Senators is the likelihood that it would open the floodgates to Democrats returning the favor. Democrats have a knack for finding sympathetic judges and there are few Districts where they could not get 10% of voters to sign. Secondly, Perhaps 2023 will be the year when no Democrat Senator will go unchallenged, duplicating what is happening in the House this year. The GOP will undoubtedly notice that it is easier to win when you don’t give up races without a fight.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Neither GOP nor Dem do you want a judge removing an elected representative. That’s what elections are for.

      A recall that puts the official back up for election is the right way but even that is problematical if it only takes 10% of voters.

      And I agree with your first statement. What goes around WILL come around.

  6. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    An interesting glimpse into the utterly corrupt world of Virginia politics …

    “I hesitate to point this out, but the 77-year-old Lucas, who’s been in the General Assembly for 29 years and been on the wrong side of nearly every issue, ran unopposed in at least the last three elections. Shoot, she hasn’t had a serious opponent since 1991, when she edged out Republican Frank M. Ruff by 1,366 votes.”

    VPAP data only goes back to 1996. Since 1996 Lucas has run in an opposed election once, in 2003. The other six elections (including 2023 where I’ll assume she’ll once agin run unopposed) she ran without major party competition.

    From 1999 – 2023 (so far) she has raised $1,625,407 in so-called campaign contributions. She raised $425,552 in her unopposed bid in 2019.

    Now, put on your thinking caps. Why would donors make huge “campaign” contributions to a politician who runs unopposed? Lucas apparently somehow managed to spend or retain about $1m of those donations running against nobody (at least that’s what I get from VPAP). She then donated $602,438 to other politicians. Of that, her biggest donation was to the Virginia Senate Democratic Caucus in the amount of $425,450. That organization, in turn, made major donations to the political campaigns of other Democratic candidates such as $1,387,645 to “Bell for Senate – John” over the last two years.

    Meanwhile, John Bell (Bell for Senate) has raised the vast majority of his “campaign contributions” from washed campaign donations funneled through safe seats like the one held by Louise Lucas. You won’t read about Dominion or special interest health care groups contributing to John Bell. For example, you won’t see any of the $170,950 donated by Dominion to Louise Lucas under John Bell’s campaign donations. That might be bad for his public image.

    Now, when safe seat politicians like Louise Lucas or Dick Saslaw want another politician’s votes in favor of Dominion what do you think they say? Something like, “I can fund your primary opponent as easily as I can fund you”?

    All the while some Virginia politicians swear they have taken the “Dominion pledge” not to accept money from Dominion.

    What a croc. If they take any money from almost any political fund they are taking Dominion money.

    Louise Lucas is a walking advertisement for the need for term limits.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      I don’t know much about Lucas. But what you wrote about the campaign money and how unused portions of that money is sent to other like minded candidates is mind blowing. I guess I knew that but I had no idea about the serious piles of cash moving around in this manner. I guess it works both ways. Why do we allow politics to go on unchecked without any regard to integrity, ethics, and serving the people?

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        We allow politics to go on like this because the Supreme Court has shot down every attempt to restrain campaign financing

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I am sure that it was an oversight that you mentioned just Democrats, and not Republicans, in your discussion. Just look at Tommy Norment, for example. In each of his last two elections, he did have a nominal opponent. In those two elections, he raised a total of $4.0 million and his two opponents, combined, barely broke the $100,000 mark. And where did Norment’s money go? In 2015 alone, a little over $1 million went to other legislative candidates.

      I offer this example not in order to condone the practice, but, in effect, to strengthen your point–both sides do it.

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead

        Yes they do Mr. Dick. I don’t like it one bit. Most voters probably are unaware of this too.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          I am not sure how this could be prevented. Even with campaign finance limits, unopposed or lightly opposed members of the legislature in strategic leadership positions would get bushels of money and they are going to parcel it out among their fellow partisans.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            standard practice, yep.

          2. Bryan Burgess Avatar
            Bryan Burgess

            Term Limits…

      2. vicnicholls Avatar
        vicnicholls

        You missed my favorite of the last election, almost all the R Senators voting against a Democratic campaign reform (about one of 2 bills I could get behind). They all had their hands in the cookie jar.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    There’s a difference in how recalls work in Va and other states.

    You really don’t have a judge undo the results of an election unless there is a crime or extreme malfeasance involved.

    In other states, the recall is essentially a call for a new election but in neither case should a minority of voters prevail as a political effort – IMHO.

    In a representative Democracy – the elected are the result of the will of the voters. You don’t undo this except by another vote , not by judicial means unless a law has been broken.

  8. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “As best anyone can remember, the last time this statue was used was in 2016 when Norfolk City Treasurer Anthony Burfoot was headed for his day in recall court.”

    Which statue and how was it “used”… I sense another Kerry post here…

  9. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    Conservatives in Loudoun County are attempting to do the same thing to most of our duly elected school board. What is it with Conservatives and their desire to overturn the will of the voters…?

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