Local Unions Are Recognized Before Workers Vote?

by F. Vincent VernuccioLocal government leaders are negotiating with union executives who have not been officially recognized by public employees they claim to represent.

Counties in northern Virginia are taking steps to allow public sector collective bargaining. But they are doing it with the support of union executives – not a groundswell of voter or public employee support.

On July 16 the Arlington County Board of Supervisors gave government unions the ability to have a monopoly on representing public employees by passing an ordinance allowing for collective bargaining. Similarly, Loudoun County on July 20 voted to have county staff draft an ordinance doing the same thing.

Staff and elected officials admitted they are working closely with unions. Arlington’s model ordinance discussion draft stated “the county manager, the county attorney and senior staff have continued to meet with representatives of employee associations to resolve as many issues as possible.”

Elected officials in both Arlington and Loudoun seem to assume unionization is a forgone conclusion, forgetting it is still up to the employees to decide if they want representation or not. The union leaders attending these closed-door negotiations have not been formally elected to speak for public employees.

Still, the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees bragged about how they helped take the City of Alexandria’s more focused ordinances to one which would give unions the ability to bargain over almost any subject not preempted by state law. And the union was even more blunt about their involvement with the Arlington ordinance:

AFSCME, the International Association of Fire Fighters and the Arlington Coalition of Police have been in discussions for many months with the county board since the board passed a resolution to adopt an ordinance. Like the City of Alexandria, Arlington County management initially sought a narrow ordinance only allowing public workers to negotiate for a specific set of issues.

Loudoun now seems to be going down the same road. Before the public hearing, Loudoun supervisors will hold a private closed session in September so attorneys can address their questions. While this is understandable, there is a general feeling that any issues would be worked out before a public hearing on the bill -– denying public employees and voters the chance to weigh in.

Phyllis J. Randall, chair of the Loudoun County Board of Supervisors, said the public hearing on Oct. 13 “is just a required thing as we go through this process. But what should be said is if the closed session is going to be on September 21 there will be an ordinance in its fullness before that closed session, before that package goes out the Thursday before.”

Unions have been spending more time working with politicians than actually telling public employees why they should represent them. As Randall acknowledged, unions are not doing a good job communicating to their potential members. While acknowledging a strong showing in the firefighters’ union and an online effort, she scolded the unions, saying despite a vote from the board indicating unions should hold membership information drives, “that hasn’t really happened.” She singled out The Service Employees International Union specifically for not doing more to communicate to employees.

Supporters of the ordinance have hurled insulting rhetoric at their opposition. Loudoun Supervisor Koran T. Saines dismissed opponents as “outside agitators bringing these comments to the board.” To her credit, Randall pushed back on some of these inflammatory remarks.

Still, politicians supporting these ordinances are jumping the gun – bypassing the employee trigger in the state law, which allows public employees to petition a locality to vote on collective bargaining. While the law does give the power to local politicians to allow bargaining on their own, it is telling that they are not waiting for a demand from employees themselves calling for unions to come in and represent them.

It should be noted that Arlington County and the City of Alexandria are the only local governments in Virginia that have passed laws allowing government unions to bargain since the state gave localities this power by enacting a state law that went into effect on May 1, 2021.

While Arlington County and the City of Alexandria have passed these laws, it does not mean unions will automatically gain a monopoly. All workers in Virginia, public and private, are protected by the commonwealth’s secret ballot protection law, which gives them the right to a private vote on whether they want a union to represent them.

Thankfully public employees in Virginia are protected by the secret ballot. And even though politicians and unions are enacting laws which allow for collective bargaining, public employees will get the final say. Still, it is clear who is really pushing the effort for bargaining in the commonwealth, and it is not the average public employee.

This commentary originally appeared July 31 on the VirginiaWorks blog.  F. Vincent Vernuccio is Visiting Fellow with the Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy.  


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42 responses to “Local Unions Are Recognized Before Workers Vote?”

  1. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    Public unions are a foregone conclusion in the minds of many local elected officials in Northern Virginia (and perhaps elsewhere like Charlottesville). The liberal Democrats who inhabit the boards of supervisors meetings in Northern Virginia can’t imagine an outcome where the employees reject the union. Meanwhile, those same politicians very much want the support of the future unions with regard to contributions and votes. So, why not jump the gun?

    Once upon a time I made the point that the Republicans who were in control of Virginia needed to see two things clearly. First, they needed to see the demographics / attitude change occurring – especially in Northern Virginia and recognize that Republican control of the state was going to end. Second, they needed to act while they still had control to enable much more local autonomy so that those conservative areas of Virginia would not be overwhelmed by the rise of the liberal Democrats. The Republicans accomplished neither goal.

    Now, there is another opportunity, albeit a more difficult opportunity. DC is going to become a state if Biden, et al have anything to do with it. The Republicans in Virginia need to not only accept DC statehood but they need to actively campaign to send Northern Virginia off to join DC as the 51st state.

    Fairfax County used to be, in many ways, the best county in the United States. Highest incomes, one of the best large school systems, forward looking projects like Metro. Then came the liberals with their asinine ideas around sanctuary county, endless unaffordable tolls, dismantling merit based educational tracks, etc. Fairfax County is now in free fall. Loudoun will be next. Closed schools, teacher’s unions, CRT, dividing the county between undeveloped areas and free-for-all development, etc.

    NoVa is a blazing dumpster fire. If the rest of Virginia has any sense it will cry crocodile tears as NoVa gets bundled up and shipped off to join DC.

    Like amputating a gangrenous organ, cutting NoVa loose is a dramatic move. However, the gangrene spreading in NoVa will infect the rest of the state all too soon. Time to amputate.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Since DC would be expected to produce nothing but D congressional members on its own, and it is Northern Virginia that has been producing the same result in Virginia, what could possibly motivate that party to agree with your proposal? There is a constitutional impediment to DC statehood not easy to bypass.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Liberals love bad ideas. From dumbing down the public education system to critical race theory to closed schools to hidden taxes. NoVa’s liberals would have to be convinced that “New Columbia” would be a shining example of modern Bernie Sanders like Democratic socialism. It would theoretically give them the chance to prove that socialism done right will work. In their small minds they would be blazing a new path for all to imitate once their success was obvious.

        In reality, it would be an epic fiasco. SanFrancisco on steroids without the scenery or great weather.

        Republicans in Virginia should be pushing to let Northern Virginians decide if they want to stay with the Old Dominion or join “New Columbia”. Put it to a vote, even if it’s non-binding.

        I agree on the constitutional issues around DC as a state. Unfortunately, I can’t find a logical way to ship Northern Virginia off to Puerto Rico so I’m stuck trying to get it into “New Columbia”.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          actually representing what voters want and support is not a bad thing except with Republicans! ๐Ÿ˜‰

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            I am a Republican and I want the residents of NoVa to vote on whether they would prefer to stay with the Commonwealth of Virginia or become part of “New Columbia”.

            In my mind the people of Virginia outside of NoVa as well as the people of Virginia inside of NoVa would both be happier if NoVa became part of “New Columbia”.

            As Steve Haner correctly points out – it’s the Democrats who don’t want this to be considered since it would push two liberal groups together.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            well, no… it’s just a totally unrealistic thing to advocate for , just not going to happen and I’d actually challenge that NoVa voters would do that anyhow.

            Much better for the Va GOP to underhand and accept their responsibility to respond to voters and truly represent them rather than sneaking around trying to avoid addressing the issues… that concern NoVa (and others).

            Neither party has a lock on chicanery and legislative mischief. – and neither party is likely to vote to make it illegal either.

            The one thing that could change Virginia is if citizens ever got the ability to initiate referenda like voters in California, Colorado:

            https://cdn.ballotpedia.org/images/8/8d/US_Map_I%26R.png

            surely we’d agree on that, right?

            And really if you think about it, the Dems have started the process by allowing referenda for unions, and we can see how the GOP is reacting…

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            well, no… it’s just a totally unrealistic thing to advocate for , just not going to happen and I’d actually challenge that NoVa voters would do that anyhow.

            Much better for the Va GOP to underhand and accept their responsibility to respond to voters and truly represent them rather than sneaking around trying to avoid addressing the issues… that concern NoVa (and others).

            Neither party has a lock on chicanery and legislative mischief. – and neither party is likely to vote to make it illegal either.

            The one thing that could change Virginia is if citizens ever got the ability to initiate referenda like voters in California, Colorado:

            https://cdn.ballotpedia.org/images/8/8d/US_Map_I%26R.png

            surely we’d agree on that, right?

            And really if you think about it, the Dems have started the process by allowing referenda for unions, and we can see how the GOP is reacting…

          4. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            My guess is that the measure to join DC as the 51st state would easily pass in Arlington. Alexandria and Falls Church too. Fairfax County might be a toss up and, after that, I think there would be resistance. eastern Loudoun would probably vote yes while western Loudoun would vote no.

            Prince William County? Who knows?

            Given the Democrats’ push to make DC a state I don’t think it’s unrealistic at all to ask whether parts of metropolitan DC outside of DC should become part of the new state.

            Trust me … Arlington County has a lot more in common with DC than it has in common with Roanoke.

            Let the people decide.

            Personally, I’d vote to join “New Columbia” and then move so I could watch the resulting dumpster fire from a safe distance.

            A shipwreck is a lighthouse to the sea.

            Let New Columbia implement Democratic socialism and we’ll all get to see how well that works.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            geeze……

        2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          Northern Virginians would not have the definitive say in whether that region would be split off to join with D.C. in a New Columbia. The U.S. Constitution has this to say about forming new states:

          “New States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new
          State shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other
          State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or
          Parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States
          concerned as well as of the Congress.”

          Therefore, Congress and the Virginia General Assembly would have to agree. If Rippert and others are right are about all their money disappearing downstate, one wonders why the GA would want to give up that golden egg.

          1. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            The US Constitution also, in my opinion, blocks DC from becoming a state so … a Constitutional amendment is probably necessary.

            That amendment could set new rules for the establishment of the “Capital State” just like the Constitution sets special rules for DC now.

            If Biden et al are serious about DC becoming a state then how can you justify a 68 sq mi speck of land as a state? How could you imagine a metropolitan areas like DC effectively run as three independent states?

            As for the General Assembly – did they vote to make West Virginia a separate state?

          2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            I agree with you that D.C. could not become a state under the current Constitution.

            As for West Virginia, the Virginia General Assembly had waived its right to weigh in when it declared that the U.S. Constitution was no longer binding on the state.

          3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            I agree with you that D.C. could not become a state under the current Constitution.

            As for West Virginia, the Virginia General Assembly had waived its right to weigh in when it declared that the U.S. Constitution was no longer binding on the state.

    2. “Time to Amputate” would make a great headline for a Rippert column elaborating these ideas.

    3. Brian Leeper Avatar
      Brian Leeper

      ” The Republicans accomplished neither goal.”

      That’s because they were more interested in culture wars and infighting.

    4. Brian Leeper Avatar
      Brian Leeper

      ” The Republicans accomplished neither goal.”

      That’s because they were more interested in culture wars and infighting.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Sadly true.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Of course my attitude about representative government is to represent voters and citizens and if they support and want collective bargaining for their workers then work with them to do it right instead of just giving up and running away. A party that does that is doomed in the longer run and some would say they ought to be if the part is more concerned about it’s own “principles” that those they purport to “represent”.

    This: ” Second, they needed to act while they still had control to enable much more local autonomy so that those conservative areas of Virginia would not be overwhelmed by the rise of the liberal Democrats.”

    “control” .. heard this before right here in BR… ” control the people” in fact!

    ๐Ÿ˜‰

    Then This: ” The Virginia Professional Fire Fighters (VPFF) is an association of local unions representing over 8,000 International Association of Fire Fighters (IAFF) members across the Commonwealth of Virginia. VPFF members provide fire protection and emergency medical services to 70% of Virginia’s population.”

    Do we really already have “unions” across Virginia that have already been “allowed” for years?

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      “control” .. heard this before right here in BR… ” control the people” in fact!

      When you allow people to make their own decisions at the local level you do not control the people. Just the opposite. You control people when you adopt a strict implementation of Dillon’s Rule and let the Richmond elite dictate what everybody in the state should do.

      Virginia’s Republican s were too dumb to see the writing on the wall. Now they are paying the price.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        and isn’t that’s EXACTLY what is happening… local control… not Dillon Rule and the critics are saying the GOP screwed up by not keeping “control”. right? Which is it DJ – local control or Richmond control?

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          The question of localities deciding on whether to have public unions is a step toward local control. No doubt about it.

          However, the granting of isolated aspects of local control can force a bigger question – is there enough commonality between two regions within a state to justify the continuance of the state as is.

          The fact that local officials are negotiating behind closed doors with union leaders before the employees decide what they want to do is typical of Democratic socialism. Neither the voters nor the employees need to be consulted. The government along with their special interests (in this case union leaders) will decide. Sadly, that seems just fine with a majority of Northern Virginians.

          So, we have two states – a Democratic socialist Northern Virginia and a centrist rest of the state.

          Why should these two groups remain in the same state?

          Northern Virginia has become a blazing dumpster fire. Sometimes the best thing you can do with a dumpster fire is to stay away and just let it eventually burn itself out. Hopefully, the charred and smoldering remains will serve as a beacon for what not to do.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            Oh come on, you don’t think other groups don’t have meetings in anticipation of some impending legislation, etc?

            But your “ideas” about the regions of the state – all states are like that… if we did what you are advocating – even Maryland would split up between Western, DC area and Eastern Shore, no?

            You’re wanting to “reinvent” the states!

            I have a hard time understand you. One day, you’re talking about the clown show and plantation elite, the next day, you want NoVa to have home rule but at the same time they’re a bunch of leftists…

            very confusing! ๐Ÿ˜‰

          2. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Not all states borer DC. In fact, only two states border DC. Those were the states that provided the land for the original DC.

            Joe Biden wants to “reinvent” the states. He wants DC and Puerto Rico to become states. I just want to reinvent DC in a practical way.

            I think people should be able to live how they want – whether I like the way they want to live or not. My fellow Northern Virginians want to be Democratic Socialists – just like Bernie Sanders espouses. I don’t want to be a Democratic Socialist but why should my preference supersede the desire of the majority of my fellow Northern Virginians?

            Kentucky left Virginia and the world didn’t fall apart.

            West Virginia left Virginia and the world didn’t fall apart.

            The world won’t fall apart if Northern Virginia (part of the DC Metropolitan Area) leaves Virginia and becomes part of New Columbia.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            If you let the liberals form their own states and control how voting is done, there will never be another GOP POTUS! ๐Ÿ˜‰

            And Conservatives would be free to ruin public education in the rural regions left to their own ….. Religion would be taught in the schools, no homosexuals or transgenders, Confederate states backup, voter suppression.. the whole nine yards!

            ๐Ÿ˜‰

          4. DJRippert Avatar
            DJRippert

            Moving Northern Virginia to New Columbia will not preclude another GOP president. In fact, it might make GOP governors of Virginia a common occurrence.

            DC is a special situation. It has been a special situation since the dawn of the United States. Now the Democrats want to change that special situation. Fine. If that is going to happen the change should be handled intelligently. Further fracturing and already fractured metropolitan area is a formula for disaster. If the federal preserve is to become the federal state it can at least become a real state.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            well if the idea would be to create a new DEM state and then let Va fall back to a RED state, it’s probably too late – the more Virginia’s urban areas grow – and they will because that’s where the jobs are – Virginia would go back to blue.

            But I still don’t understand you. Are you advocating that Virginia return to the clown show/plantation elite ?

        2. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          The question of localities deciding on whether to have public unions is a step toward local control. No doubt about it.

          However, the granting of isolated aspects of local control can force a bigger question – is there enough commonality between two regions within a state to justify the continuance of the state as is.

          The fact that local officials are negotiating behind closed doors with union leaders before the employees decide what they want to do is typical of Democratic socialism. Neither the voters nor the employees need to be consulted. The government along with their special interests (in this case union leaders) will decide. Sadly, that seems just fine with a majority of Northern Virginians.

          So, we have two states – a Democratic socialist Northern Virginia and a centrist rest of the state.

          Why should these two groups remain in the same state?

          Northern Virginia has become a blazing dumpster fire. Sometimes the best thing you can do with a dumpster fire is to stay away and just let it eventually burn itself out. Hopefully, the charred and smoldering remains will serve as a beacon for what not to do.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      So how long has Virginia had Fire Fighters Unions?

      Surely some of you Conservative types know , right?

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Is it a “union” if it does not have a contract? I mean, they can call themselves anything they want.
        But only now can they start having contracts. In the past, they denied being a “union” because of the political connotations.

        And Larry, what if two or three potential unions are competing to be the bargaining unit? You think it would be fair for the local government to talk to one in advance, set the ground rules, skew the outcome? Well, you’ll swallow alot, but it isn’t fair.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          much different that calling the VEA teacher unions that “bargain”?

  3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I am not sure I understand what all the fuss is about. Before entering into bargaining, in fact, before designating whom they will be bargaining with, local governments are required to enact an ordinance or resolution which shall “provide for procedures for the
    certification and decertification of exclusive bargaining
    representatives, including reasonable public notice and opportunity for
    labor organizations to intervene in the process for designating an
    exclusive representative of a bargaining unit.” Although the statute does not say so explicitly, presumably the ordinance or resolution could set out the parameters of what was subject to collective bargaining.

    That is what the local governments are doing, drafting their required ordinances or resolutions. And the unions are doing what any special interest group would do: lobbying to get the ordinance to best represent their interests. If TJI, the Republicans, or any other group want to get their views known at this, admittedly, critical stage, they need to be lobbying, too. Send Haner after them!

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Vinnie, please, not moi. But I think you are missing the point that more than one group might want to be the union and the workers have not spoken. And since we were bandying about corruption elsewhere, is this not an arena with massive history of real corruption around the U.S.?

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        You are right about unions and their history of corruption. Let me be clear: I am not a supporter of public collective bargaining.

        The ordinance is supposed to provide for the procedures of choosing who would represent the employees.

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        You are right about unions and their history of corruption. Let me be clear: I am not a supporter of public collective bargaining.

        The ordinance is supposed to provide for the procedures of choosing who would represent the employees.

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Given that the last election of the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors (2019) predated the state law … shouldn’t the board hold public hearings on the matter? The next election won’t be until 2023. Shouldn’t the BoS start with the voters before holding closed door negotiations with special interests (i.e. union leaders)?

      Given the appalling fall from grace public school teachers in Northern Virginia have suffered due to COVID closings, CRT, dumbing down TJ, etc I question whether a majority of voters would want them to have a union contract.

      What happens if a contract is signed and a majority of the board gets replaced in future elections? Do the ordinances get rewritten and the contract becomes null and void? Or is this another of these “local control” matters that effectively bypasses the local voters?

      1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Yes, the Board of Supervisors should hold a public hearing on the issue. In fact, I think there should have been at least two public hearings: one on the basic question of whether the board should even begin drafting an ordinance and one on the proposed ordinance itself, with a final vote on the ordinance coming in a meeting separate from the public hearing. The state law does not require all that, but that is the procedure I would have advocated.

        Your point about what happens if a majority of the board gets replaced and the new board does not support collective bargaining is an important one. I think the ordinance should address that issue. My preference would be to have all contracts have an expiration date and a new board would not be bound to recognize them beyond that date.

  4. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Jim has me skittish about pulling art off the internet, but the visual this story needs is a cart before the horse. Vinnie may be underplaying this story, which he asked me to post. I think it is a rather big deal that union execs who have not been chosen in a valid employee election are sitting down to work out deals in advance. I think even the current NLRB might raise an eyebrow at that, should anybody raise the question.

    UPDATE: Vinnie called and educated me: NLRB has little or no authority over these local employee unions. State law and judges control. Okay, we’re cooked….

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Hey, I thought we liked being free of the bureaucrats in Washington!

  5. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    So this means other unions also like fire & rescue and police?

  6. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I support unions, even public sector unions, but not the right to strike for public sector.

    And the reason has to do with the way work is done and how it is done.

    Unions protect good workers from bad bosses.

    Yes.. it can also protect a bad worker, but these days it’s that way even without unions – the employer has to document and follow the law and be ready to defend a legal suit.

    Unions help define the work and to ensure that it is defined and in position descriptions and not assigned ad hoc by bosses targeting vulnerable workers.

    Unions also help define the education and training requirements for work and in doing that provide a known path to follow for those wanting to advance.

    I note that pilots in the airlines are union, UPS delivery drivers are union and some of the best school systems in the country – have been union for years.

    There is corruption in some unions, I admit. But there is corruption in business also , and with developers and elected that approve development. Even VDOT has had corruption in it’s ranks. And several Virginia elected have come a cropper over illegal behavior.

    Corruption is endemic in most of our institutions – but not reflective of them except in the eyes of some who think unions are.

  7. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    I am for partitioning Virginia. Conservatives get the most land. Liberals get their urban/suburban enclaves. Hey it works in South Africa with Lesotho and Italy has the Vatican.
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/files/2017/11/farnsworth1.png

  8. John Martin Avatar
    John Martin

    Go unions!!! Pro-worker!!! Good for the economy!!

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