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List of Wrongly Purged Voter Registrations Gets Larger

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Dick Hall-Sizemore
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Susan Beals, Commissioner,
Va. Dept. of Elections

by Dick Hall-Sizemore

Remember my earlier report on the Youngkin administration cancelling the registrations of voters eligible to vote? These were felons whose voting rights had been restored who had committed a parole violation, which shows up as a felony in the State Police’s official crime database.

In mid-October, the state Department of Elections reported that there are only about 275 individuals affected. Now, it is up to 3,400.

When VPM, Richmond’s public radio station, first reported the errors, the administration was dismissive of the reports. Later, it minimized the extent of the problem. Now, it is trying to shift the blame. Jeff Goettman, the Governor’s chief of staff, says the administration suspects the errors “are the result of antiquated data systems and insufficient processes maintained over the last 20 plus years.” Anyone who has worked with data knows that, when one grabs a bunch of data that was compiled for one purpose and uses it for an entirely different purpose, one needs to be especially careful and needs to be thoroughly familiar with the dataset that is being relied upon. Anyone except, apparently, the folks at the Department of Elections.

To cover himself, the Governor has ordered the Office of the Inspector General to investigate the “circumstances, data systems, and practices” surrounding this event and, as a counter measure, to prepare a separate report examining whether thousands of residents had been left on the registration rolls despite having been convicted of a new felony.

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76 responses to “List of Wrongly Purged Voter Registrations Gets Larger”

  1. LesGabriel Avatar
    LesGabriel

    The link to the “3400” number is behind a paywall, so it it is not possible to see the methodology used to come up with the 3400. In any case, the implication of the article seems to be that someone, purposefully or not, made decisions that resulted in the temporary loss of voting rights for a number of people. Who those someones are and what they did is not at all clear.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      3,400 is the number of residents reported by the Dept. of Elections that were wrongly purged from the registration rolls.
      These were people who had committed felonies and had their voting rights restored by a previous governor. After having their rights restored and being registered, they violated the terms of their probation. It could have been a “technical” violation, such as missing treatment sessions, testing positive for alcohol or marijuana. Probation violations are not felonies. However, for its own reasons, the Dept. of State Police records these violations as felonies in the criminal record for each individual. Last year, the Dept. of Elections developed a program to search the State Police data to determine if any of the registered individuals whose voting rights had been restored had committed any new felonies. That program recorded these probation violations as new felonies, thereby resulting in the Dept. of Elections cancelling their registration.

      No one seems to have accused the Dept. of Elections with nefarious intentions, just incompetence or insensitivity to the rights of a category of registered voters.

      1. LesGabriel Avatar
        LesGabriel

        “incompetence or insensitivity”? More likely the sort of overreach that overblown bureaucracies are prone to. I assume that there is a procedure in place that identifies to the Dept of Elections when people are convicted of felonies so that they can be removed from the voter rolls. I also assume that the procedure works whether it is the first felony or one of many, and whether or not the person is someone who has previously been pardoned and/or had their voting rights restored. If that is the case, then the program developed last year would have been worthless, redundant, a total waste of taxpayer resources, and frankly stupid.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          I think you are giving state agencies too much credit in your assumption. If there had been a link between the State Police crime records system (CCRE) and the Dept. of Elections registration database, there would have been no need last fall to build the new program.

          I suspect this event will be the catalyst for such a link to be built or modified, if one exists. Linking two different state agency databases that were constructed separately for entirely different purposes is not a simple task,

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Sounds like the mistake was the Dept of Elections accepting the State Police recording of “felonies”. If I were at Elections I might well figure the State Police know more about felonies than I do and take them at their word. It certainly would be reasonable to expect that the State cops know the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony.

            That gets to your comment on combining separate data bases that were constructed and used for different purposes. Seems someone at Elections failed to look closely enough at the State Police data policies and procedures to establish that their categorization was consistent with Elections requirements.

            It is a good money bet that there is a specific, detailed, written State Police procedure on how to record parole violations in their data base. For sure it was not a secret.

            I try to be skeptical of ascribing mal intent when simple stupidity is handy.

            Where else could Elections get new felony data? Why did they choose to use a secondary State Police data set when primary (court?) data is available.

      2. James Kiser Avatar
        James Kiser

        Mass return of voting rights to convicted felons is not the way to do it. There was a procedure in place and baby killer Northam ignored it. BTW when they restore voting rights their 2nd Amendment rights should be automatically restored to.

  2. walter smith Avatar
    walter smith

    So are you implying this is nefarious? Or are you thinking it could be a mistake?
    Notice they are fixing it, without requiring lawsuits?
    If the mistake benefitted Dems, would you complain? Would you insist on it being corrected?
    Can we agree that any errors in an election is bad? Whether intentional or unintentional? And transparency is good? How come there has been no cooperation about strange happenings in 2020? Does that build or hurt trust? Wouldn’t transparency be better? If you did it right, wouldn’t you want to cooperate and prove it?
    Asking for a friend…

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      See reply above regarding intent.

      As a matter of fact, there was a lawsuit in which the state contended it was just doing what the law intended. The judge wasted no time in ruling against the state. See my earlier article.

      Maybe the mistake would have benefited Democrats. No one can say for sure. Yes, I would insist it be corrected.

      I am not biting on the 2020 gambit and going down that rabbit hole.

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        I am glad you agree that mistakes/wrongs be corrected. So why then is 2020 a rabbit hole? Did you question 2016? How can one know when it is a real rabbit hole? If you could drop your manufactured hatred of Orange Man, would it be possible to conclude 2016 was the fake rabbit hole?
        As to moral exemplars, give me a break. “Slick Willie” came from his friends. JFK had Fiddle and Faddle and a fawning press covered it up. Trump shower with Ivanka like Biden showered with daughter Ashley? Besides all the obvious bribery stuff. Did Trump call out the apparat to go after his enemies? No problem with all the efforts going on currently?
        Jew hatred unleashed. WW3 on the way. National bankruptcy. But no mean tweets! We must destroy our democracy to save our democracy!

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Trump lost, Smith. In Virginia he lost baaaaad. He would again.

      1. walter smith Avatar
        walter smith

        I believe he lost in Virginia. How come we can spend $40 million on fake Russia stealing the election, even put people in jail on process crimes, but it is verboten to question known, apparent irregularities along with statistical anomalies? But no mean tweets!
        I don’t let irrational hatred cloud reason. But no mean tweets!

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          I don’t care about the tweets. He inspired and cheered on a violent riot intended to overturn a lawful election. He’s a traitor to the Constitution he swore to uphold.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            right. “questioning the process” is lying to the point of getting sued successfully and people pleading guilty to conspiracy and a Trump-incited mob busting into Congress and looking for folks to hang.

            Walter sees this in a different light!

          2. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            When lawfare comes for you, you will be crying “I want mercy,” but no one will be left…
            Just amazing. Your side is evil. Tyrannical. And you think you are virtuous…

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            When FOX gets sued and settles, admits it lied and people are pleading guilty to conspiracy…and former aides and employees saying he is a psychopath, I think you might need to re-think your narrative.. it’s getting pretty tattered…

          4. CJBova Avatar
            CJBova

            Larry, you cannot say Solomon doctored the document without some proof–that would be libel. Likewise, offering links that say Trump didn’t “order” National Guard is meaningless when the claim was he “offered” them.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            The document has a justnews.com location. It shows no other sources. It purports to be a timeline but it contains information that is not consistent with an actual govt-provided timeline.

            I will amend to say that it “appears to be a doctored timeline that differs from official govt-provided timelines”.

            The claim is that he offered them. There is no evidence to back that up and, in fact, there is evidence that the Army turned down a request.

            This walks and talks like misinformation.

            There is zero credible evidence from authentic sources that Trump did offer the National Guard and Pelosi did turn him down.

          6. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Larry – Kash Patel testified yesterday in the LAWFARE case in Colorado. Like the LAWFARE in Ga, and the coming LAWFARE in MI and MN, and the existing LAWFARE in NY and the Fed LAWFARE in DC and FL, while Biden skates on real crimes.
            The President would cause a crisis if he unilaterally put the National Guard anywhere. And certainly with you crazy Leftists – he couldn’t even go across the street to the church after the “mostly peaceful” real riots without you crazies going crazy. He offered up to 20,000 through the chain of command. It was rejected by Pelosi and Bowser.
            Meanwhile, have you ever been charged with crimes and millions of dollars of fines by an unethical prosecutor with unlimited funds? If you would pay millions to defend yourself, and still likely get screwed over by the jury with jail time and fines, would you cop to a misdemeanor?
            One day, when LAWFARE happens to your side, you’ll be whining. It’s wrong. But yours would be like Hamas calling for a ceasefire after its barbarism. To “save Democracy” (which because Marxists are saying it means “save our oligarchic grip on power and protect us from what we have done because we project like an IMax)” your guys are destroying all norms. It is very dangerous. It shouldn’t be done. But that would require having morals to begin with, so…

          7. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            sounds like whining from criminals to me… He no more offered up national guard than the man in the moon.. it’s just another lie from the dozens he spouts and you guys carry water for. Criminals one and all.

          8. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Hey, Larry – was the Hunter Biden laptop real? Are the checks to Joe real? Is Ashley Biden’s diary (where she talks about showering with her Dad) real? Was RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA entirely made up? Did the government censor conservative news during 2020 and Covid? IS the Covid “vaccine” (not a vaccine – changed definition) really “safe and effective?” Kash Patel testified yesterday. Do you know the J6 Committee was illegally established? It was merely a propaganda organ for the false insurrection narrative…and you just slurp it all up, like a good little Party lemming. That is what is so frustrating about you. You will never admit the truth of something. Did Schiff lie repeatedly about RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA? Remember, silence is violence. So when lawfare comes for you, and your authoritarian thugs, it will be too late. It is civilization destroying.

          9. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            the only folks who care about Hunter Bidens laptops are far right conspiracy types and what-about-ism ijiots … like the anti-vax conspiracy ijiots. The real question is who caused J6 in the first place?
            Listen to the folks who actually used to work with the “stable genius”, they know the truth! No question!

          10. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            As usual. not answering the questions, and projecting like the IMax all Leftists are.
            Is the Hunter Biden laptop real? Yes. FBI knew it back in December of 2019. If it doesn’t matter, why was it necessary to lie about it? To suppress it? Hmmm, Larry?
            Are treason and bribery written in the Constitution as causes for impeachment? Now that chains of checks have been produced going into the Automaton Pres, who denied wrongdoing, knowledge, any participation, any money, then why did he lie about it? Why are you deflecting right now?
            One day, all the truth about Covid will come out and I will be proved correct because I have the capacity to reason. Excess deaths, strangely timed around the non-vaccine, mandated against the Nuremberg Code. Oh, and it didn’t even work!
            So, the Larry “ijiot” scale seems skewed. You hang onto pretty obvious lies until they become undeniable, then you pronounce the people who were asking the oppositional questions “ijiots.” And I won’t even go whine to the moderator – Larry called me a mean name! (waah, waah). Everything people like you and a certain fairy tale monikered poster say in opposition to me proves I am correct. And I am and know it.
            One day we’ll find out how many government agent provocateurs were involved in “the insurrection.” And one day, when it is finally acknowledged that Trump offered the Guard and Grey Goose Pelosi and BLM Bowser denied the Guard, and you will say only “ijiots” say it. Hey, want your head to blow up, if McAwful and the Charlottesville mayor and Antifa were not involved in the “white supremacist” rally in Cville, nobody would have died. Your side is full of dangerous, deceitful people. Dangerous, authoritarian, willing to abuse power people. Who condone violence when their team does it. Who promote it in fact. You can pretend all you want. I see you.
            Hey, how are you with beheading babies and the plight of “the Palestinians?” I assume you slurp all those lies up too – from the River to the Sea, Palestine will be free! Do you live on former Indian land? What have you done to correct that? Any slave-connected historical towns, cities, counties, roads where you live? You supporting the crazy D candidates where the only thing that matters is the right to kill a baby? And you wish to judge the morality of others? Not having it.

          11. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            conspiracy theories, lies, what-about-ism, and just plain paranoia, hate and ignorance.

          12. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Hunter Biden laptop. Real or not?

          13. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            fodder for conspiracy theory?
            yep

          14. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            So, Larry, who is spreading “misinformation” here? In fact, given what is know and even acknowledged by your so-called “respectable sources” (like the Slimes, ComPost and Wikipedia and the entire media universe other than the few places like BR), it can only be called “lying.”
            In your previous post of nonsense, you said “conspiracy theories, lies, what-about-ism, and just plain paranoia, hate and ignorance.” Wow. Projection much?
            How was this a conspiracy theory?
            How was it a lie?
            What about it was a “whataboutism?”
            What about it was paranoia?
            What about it was hate and ignorance?
            You know, Larry – this is where you are a real detriment to reasoned discourse – besides being wrong nearly 100% of the time (one time, recently!, you said something not false and one time you made a real funny – extreme exceptions to the rule – when you are pinned you won’t say “oh, gee, sorry, I was wrong.”
            Don’t make me go Chong Li in Bloodsport in the Kumite – say “ma te.” JCVD made Chong Li say “ma te”. Chong Li liked to kill his opponents. He was evil. It is a stupid movie and I can’t help watching it. Helps that Leah Ayres was really pretty .
            All you have done here is prove you are incapable of honesty and a pure D flak. I might have to ask you how many sexes there are soon. Or when did you cease to be a clump of cells and become a baby.

          15. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            incoherent babble from conspiracy theorists is not a virtue!

          16. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            have you seen this Walter? ” Antisocial personality disorder, sometimes called sociopathy, is a mental health condition in which a person consistently shows no regard for right and wrong and ignores the rights and feelings of others and often engages in criminal behavior.” They have a leader now!

          17. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Larry – you really seem to be going out of your way to call me bad names (ooooh – Moderator pwease censuw the mean Lawwy) and not answer pretty simple questions.
            Now I’m a sociopath? Interesting. Please tell how I “show no regard for right and wrong.” Please show how I ignore the rights of others. I wouldn’t say I ignore the feelings of others, but I do ignore the feelings of people who are wrong. Generally, I try to speak the truth in love. There is some book unknown to Lefties (mostly, a lot of Righties don’t know it either!) that prescribes speaking in that manner. And the truly offensive part, please explain how I engage in criminal behavior, unless it is a crime to have you embarrass yourself in refusing to acknowledge truth, which is a “crime” I will “confess” to.

          18. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            oh no.. I was just returning the favor guy…if you can…. then let’s be fair , right? “speaking the truth in love”. 😉 sociopath? I read that definition and it seems to fit the stable genius guy and apparently his followers are okay with it and carry it forward. Conspiracy theories. Lies. Misinformation. Disinformation. whatever it takes to prevail, right? Send the crazies to the Capitol then claim an offer to help that was refused? yep. Bidens laptop as if it has anything to do with anything at all except more conspiracy theories from you know who. Yep! on and on… yep. Elmer fud looney tunes, yup.

          19. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            So, wait a second. Hunter Biden laptop. Real or not. Not a trick question. Known to be real. Why can’t you admit that?
            Then since there was concerted lying about it in 2020 from 51 experts and organized suppression of the story by FBI with Big Tech, why did it need to be suppressed? How is that disinformation to remark on it? Seems like going after the stable genius is a diversion…a whataboutism. Actually, compared to the current occupant of the White House, Orange Man is a stable genius – he can walk and talk and answer questions and if he was reading off of a TelePromTer would not shlur hish wordsh and could manage more than a squint. So, other than crazed allegations, name the conspiracy theories that I am promoting. Do you ever get tired of being wrong? Do you get paid to be wrong so often? I would hate to think you are doing this for free…

          20. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            disinformation = ” here was concerted lying about it in 2020 from 51 experts and organized suppression of the story by FBI with Big Tech, ”

            talk to the folk who worked for Orange Man for character references… or talk to the folks he has
            verbally attacked… or mocked or convinced to go lie and break laws , etc… and then look at the
            folk who seem to like that kind of behavior… looney tunes…

          21. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            That’s a big ole whataboutism, ain’t it Larry?
            Hunter Biden laptop – real or fake? Who lied about it? Why is it a conspiracy theory to point out the truth that you will not acknowledge?
            You have a really bad case of TDS. Usually it is RINOs who are pretty bad. But even among crazed Leftist cases, yours seems very extreme.

          22. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Larry – any of Trump’s issues that have no bearing to anything other than your demented hatred of him since his policies had the country in a better place are totally irrelevant. A whataboutism of epic proportions.
            Are you capable of telling the truth?
            Hunter Biden laptop – Real or fake?

          23. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            When they come for you Larry…oh, never mind, you already love Big Brother…
            Guess you haven’t heard of overcharging…
            Maybe Fox settled for a purpose other than settling… It would have won based on the First Amendment and what we used to have known as free speech until the illegal, unlawful Biden regime started putting people in jail for not agreeing with them, but letting BLM rioters walk… Love the shoplifting and poop filled streets, and violation of border laws, but Trump is a criminal and must be in jail for 700 years, and now we have to get him off the ballot, and cheating never occurs, except for in a Ct Mayor’s race the other day. Hey Larry, did you know the January 6 Committee was illegal, without a “ranking” member, no cross examination, sealed transcripts (you know, the ones where people told the truth that was not helpful to the fake insurrection narrative)? Remember Schiff every day going on TV and telling about the RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA goods? Or how about Harry Reid and the No tax Romney lies? Even Mark Warner was on the R-R-R lies for a while, but must have finally decided not to go full-Schiff. Your team lies. And is covered by the press. Then manufactures the covering lies to be slurped up and regurgitated by the ignorant or true believers. Yeah, good to be a True Believer, isn’t it, Lar?

          24. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            ” Rupert Murdoch says Fox stars ‘endorsed’ lies about 2020. He chose not to stop them”

            ” Fox ‘News’ Admits Lying, Settles With Dominion For Nearly $800 Million”

            ” 110 people have been found guilty at trial and about 366 have been sentenced to incarceration in connection to the attack, according to figures from the U.S. Attorney’s Office for D.C. ”

            “Trump ally Sidney Powell pleads guilty to conspiracy charges in Georgia 2020 election case”

            “Kenneth Chesebro: Second Trump lawyer pleads guilty to conspiracy”

            more coming… evil and stupid on parade.

          25. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            That’s just silly. How many Feds were involved? How come Nancy Pelosi refused the National Guard? I have never planned an insurrection, but I’m pretty sure I’d be armed. How come those people who attended and technically trespassed are locked up for years, without bail and a speedy trial, while BLM rioters, over a bogus “murder” are scot free? No problem with lawfare? Or all good so long as it is Trump?
            I’m not good with it. The FBI and DOJ are weaponized, and it should be abhorred by all. So…just be a good loser? Let people who cheat win? If there really was no cheating, why not actually have a real investigation and prove it and restore trust in the system? Seems sensible to me. Particularly after RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA… How come prior Dem electoral challenges of the same type planned was OK? Or are we back to being good losers?
            Does any cheating occur in elections? DHS hints at it in his Va BOE story. Just Pubbies cheat? Give me a break. The Ds have been expert for a long time, and have perfected their methods. 40,000 well-placed votes out of 156 million. Now all the lawfare and everything is pure as the driven snow… Sorry. I don’t hate anybody, much less anybody that much, to believe in the purity of the 2020 election.
            LBJ won for real in 1948 Senate, right? JFK in 1960, right? Cheating occurs. It is wrong wherever and whenever. Even if you like for Trump to lose…and America get destroyed…but no mean tweets!

          26. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            and you talk about lying and evil…. geeze….

          27. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            OK Larry. Tell me what lie I told. Go ahead. Name ONE.

          28. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            the Pelosi thing?

          29. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Seriously? Do you get news from anywhere besides MSDNC? President Trump offered calling out the National Guard 2 or 3 days before. Nancy Pelosi and Muriel Bowser refused it. Fact. Try again.

          30. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            can’t find a credible source to confirm it… just a bunch of FOX and far right sites:

            https://www.nationalguard.mil/News/Article/2466077/dod-details-national-guard-response-to-capitol-attack/

          31. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            you’re spouting false things guy, misinformation: wrong and evil:

            “A viral Instagram post from Donald Trump Jr. claims that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi refused Donald Trump’s “request for a national guard presence” during the January 6 Capitol insurrection. This isn’t the first time this particular claim has gone viral. In February 2021, as reported by the Washington Post, during a Fox news interview with Steve Hilton, President Donald Trump claimed that he “requested” 10,000 National Guard troops to be deployed to the Capitol, but that his request was rejected by Pelosi.

            In Trump’s words: “I requested … I definitely gave the number of 10,000 National Guardsmen, and [said] I think you should have 10,000 of the National Guard ready. They took that number. From what I understand, they gave it to the people at the Capitol, which is controlled by Pelosi. And I heard they rejected it because they didn’t think it would look good. So, you know, that was a big mistake.”

            The claim that Pelosi rejected Trump’s request for a National Guard presence on January 6 is false.

            “The speaker of the House does not have the power to block an order from the commander in chief,” Drew Hammil, deputy chief of staff for Pelosi, told The Dispatch Fact Check via email. “This is fiction.”

            Josh Huder, a senior fellow at Georgetown University’s Government Affairs Institute, similarly told The Dispatch Fact Check that “the speaker does not have control of any branch of the armed services.”

            “The National Guard can only be activated by the president or a governor,” Huder added. “In the case of D.C., it can only be mobilized by the president of the United States.”

            A statement from Ryan McCarthy, secretary of the Army under Donald Trump, on the “National Guard response to timing and coordination with other States,” does not mention Trump’s request for a National Guard presence, nor does it mention anything about Pelosi rejecting the alleged request. A section of the statement reads:

            During a rapidly evolving situation Wednesday Jan. 6, the Department Defense was fielding uncoordinated calls from hundreds of elected officials requesting and offering assistance to respond to the unprecedented breach of the U.S. Capitol Building. The Army and the D.C. National Guard were coordinating with the federal Capitol Police and the local D.C. Metropolitan Police Department to assist with an immediate response. Secretary McCarthy first spoke with Governor Hogan at 4:40 p.m. on Jan. 6, where he thanked Governor Hogan’s offer to provide support. Secretary McCarthy thanked Gov. Hogan for his support and ensured him his service members will be taken care of and provided a point-to-point contact.

            Also, it’s with noting that during the first day of hearings by the January 6 committee, Rep. Liz Cheney said: “Trump gave no order to deploy the National Guard that day, and made no effort to work with the Department of Justice to coordinate and deploy law enforcement assets. But Mike Pence did each of those things.”

          32. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            No Larry. You are reciting the propaganda you are fed by all the controlled media. The offer was made and declined. The ex head of the Capitol Police has talked about it. Funny the J6 committee, illegally formed, won’t release the info that shows the screw ups. But here is one little glimpse of truth… which you will not read or acknowledge…
            https://www.gop.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=102
            Yeah…that J6 committee really wanted to get to truth…with the Pubbies being Trump haters and the Hollywood producer and the doctored tapes and Nancy Pelosi just “happening” to have her filmmaker daughter there…

          33. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            “Just The News’ John Solomon exclusively obtained documents showing that President Trump offered National Guard protection to the United States Capitol four days before the events of January 6, 2021.”

            Where is this document?

          34. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            It was linked from the Capitol police in the article.
            Larry – you need to learn how to read when people are deceiving you.
            All of the stuff you sent asserting as truth that Pelosi did not turn down the National Guard hung on little teeny half truths/ deceptions from the masters of “disinformation”. They set up a false premise and then show the false assertion that they created to say the whole thing wasn’t true.
            Like it is false that Trump signed an order for the Nat Guard… He never signed an order. And while he was the President and had a lot of authority, the normal custom is not that the President just sends the Guard wherever he wants.
            The truth is Trump offered to send in the Nat Guard. Respecting lines of authority, Pelosi had control over Capitol and Bowser over DC. Neither accepted the offer. If he just sent the troops in, you Lefties would say he was invading to stage a coup! But the dutiful lapdog propaganda machine publishes “fact checks” where they create false claims or requirements to throw out the whole thing. You should be more discerning than that. One day if you really do want to break out of the brainwashing, I’ll tell you when I knew Fauci was a hack. It was about two weeks in, but it was a “tell” on live TV for all to see, except the terrified, the TDS and the lapdog media servants of the Dems.
            If you read the articles from the official mouthpieces, there is always wiggle room. And our “vigilant” 4th estate never tries to pin down the guys on the team they root for. It is a real failure. Rush Limbaugh suggested that the press should treat all politicians like they treat Republicans. That would be an improvement, but how they treat Republicans shouldn’t be the model because they are rude and dishonest – it would just be better than the current system. They should treat all politicians similarly with extreme skepticism, doing the Missouri “Show me” thing, and asking for substantive proof of the politicians’ assertions. If they meant “save our Democracy” that would actually be helpful.

          35. CJBova Avatar
            CJBova

            https://www.gop.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=102

          36. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            This is a GOP organization that supports Trump and his lies and it references a document that does not seem to be authentic. it’s source is on Justnews.com. Look at the one from GAO which IS authentic.

          37. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Something that surprised me about Jan 6th at the time it was happening was the lack of preparedness by the Feds. If there is anything D.C. is familiar with it is handling crowds of demonstrators. They have been doing it well and roughly forever. Why with all the intel they had on the crowd and its size were the preparations so profoundly inadequate? Is it really as simple as self proclaimed legislative genius Nancy Pelosi deciding that calling in the National Guard would be “bad optics”?

            For some reason it made me think of C’ville and Gov McAuliffe publicly advising to “Let them fight so I can declare it an illegal assembly.”

            Back in the day with the Church Committee hearings we learned that the loudest most violent war protesters were often FBI stooges paid to try to make us all look bad. Sound familiar? The more things change the more they stay the same.

            The ongoing refusal to disclose how many of the Jan 6th crowd were on the Federal payroll is a pretty good indicator there were a lot of them.

            We do know that the head of the Proud Boys, Enrique Tarrio, had been a paid FBI informant since 2012. He got 20+ years. There’s loyalty to your stooges.

          38. walter smith Avatar
            walter smith

            Right. Can we just have an honest investigation? Release the tapes. And tell us how many government assets were involved.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    I would be curious how this was discovered. Was it in place prior to Youngkins term or did it become an issue after changes were made by his team?

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      State Police coding probation violations as additional felonies has been in place for some time. The Dept. of Elections last year developed a program to detect new felonies committed by individuals with a prior felony record whose voting rights had been restored. That is a legitimate, and worthy, goal. However, the agency’s program was not able to distinguish between actual new felonies and probation violations.

      The problem came to light when someone whose voting rights had been suspended although he had committed only a probation violation and not a felony took the state to court and won. Radio station VPM picked up on the story and ran with it.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “The Dept. of Elections last year developed a program to detect new felonies committed by individuals with a prior felony record whose voting rights had been restored.”

        As alluded to above by LG, why not develop a program to detect all new felonies? This program of targeting disenfranchisement to a specific class of citizens seems very wrong.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          the lack of transparency about how it works is a problem. Not a good look for Youngkin IMO.

  4. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    We are in an era where mistakes cannot be accepted as mistakes. It must have been nefarious. Both processes need to be more formalized and transparent, restoring rights to felons who have qualified for restoration, and removals. We need the bureaucratic equivalent of that screen panel that appears asking, do you really want to delete? Are you sure?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      so… why does it seem it’s always the GOP that does this sort of thing and when it is questioned, they dismiss it and wait for the other side to go to the courts?

      Or am I not seeing this objectively?

      1. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        Why would you start now? They admitted a mistake and fixed it. No court forced them.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          “RICHMOND, Va. — The Virginia NAACP filed a lawsuit Friday alleging Gov. Glenn Youngkin’s administration failed to turn over public records to explain how it decides whether to restore the voting rights of convicted felons who have completed their sentences.”

    2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      They devised a program that targeted a specific class of citizens for disenfranchisement. You don’t think that is nefarious?

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        The original basis for disenfranchisement started as a Jim Crow era thing.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    In the end, it will be the same old song and dance, “Mistakes were made, but it is the responsibility of the individual to correct the errors of the institution”… if they can, and the institution will redouble efforts to make more mistakes.

  6. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    Since 2020, many — too many — Republicans are obsessed with the idea they only lose because the other side is cheating. The effort to review and purge the voter lists was aimed at appeasing those people, trying to satisfy their demands, giving the administration a success to brag about. It blew up in their faces. Dick explains well how the mistake was made, but the effort in the first place had that motivation.

    A huge amount of money and energy on the GOP side is still being expended on continuing this wishful thinking, and seeking an army of poll watchers. It is, as Dick said, a rabbit hole.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Yes. And the REAL problem is that many do not actually want to represent enough/majority of voters in the first place … they want to hew to their own beliefs and get there by misleading voters on key issues (like abortion) and voter suppression, for instance, being opposed to easier voting and being way more open to figuring out how to cut voters than the other way around. That might be an opinion… 😉

  7. how_it_works Avatar
    how_it_works

    the errors “are the result of antiquated data systems and insufficient processes maintained over the last 20 plus years.”

    He knows Virginia well.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      that’s why I asked if this was a problem in prior administrations also and Youngkin “fixed it” or if it’s something different that Youngkin did that broke?

  8. vicnicholls Avatar
    vicnicholls

    Youngkin knew there were other issues on the VDoE that warranted attention, more than what Susan Beale and crew would admit.

  9. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    The state police inaccurately recorded misdemeanors as felonies in an official state system.

    That’s the core problem.

    The Department of Elections should be able to rely on the accuracy of criminal information in the state police database.

    Of course, getting all this right would require a state-wide data strategy / plan across agencies. You know, the kind of thing well run private enterprises have been doing for at least the last 10 years. That, in turn, would require an IT leader in the state government with some clout.

    Once upon a time, Virginia had such a position. The Secretary of Technology on the cabinet. But Northam eliminated that position as a cabinet – level job. Why? Apparently because Governor Moondance doesn’t know a computer chip from a potato chip.

    And if anybody thinks that 3,400 missing voters is the biggest issue of inept state government IT, I have news for them …. there are undoubtedly billions of dollars in potential savings from simplifying, integrating, and automating the state government’s systems.

    But that was of no interest to Northam and, sadly, is apparently of no interest to Youngkin either.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      You say that and I agree somewhat but I think there are some bright spots. DMV has a tough job and they have gotten better at it with their computer network.

      Medicaid is another… still not perfect but
      way better than before.

      Medicare, people take for granted but it works well and so does Social Security.

      Virginia Employment Commission still a work in progress.

      Govt tends to run behind…

      but on the statewide network.. it has to be one system with a defined administrative and technical hierarchy or else it will be a mess and subject to ransomware, and worse. I assume even with the cabinet level office it is.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        True, but there are lots of big, distributed companies in the world with more employees and revenue than the Commonwealth of Virginia who make it all work.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          because they have a Chief Data Officer.. that basically configures the infrastructure and environment for the whole business as opposed to “silos”. It’s a battle. individual pods like to do things a certain way
          and they don’t like top-down edicts when it comes to computers, software and networks.

          It almost has to be draconian to succeed.

  10. James A. Bacon Avatar
    James A. Bacon

    It is important to clean up voter rolls. It’s even more important to do so without disenfranchising anyone. This is rightly an embarrassment. The Youngkin administration needs to get this right.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Getting it right means full transparency and working WITH the interest groups IMO.

      The history of felony disenfranchisement with Jim Crow and voter suppression is real.

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