“Let the Sunshine In”

Dominion solar energy farm in Powhatan County.  Photo credit: Dominion Energy and Cardinal News

by Dick Hall-Sizemore

Dwight Yancey, editor of Cardinal News, has a fascinating piece today dealing with solar energy in Southwest Virginia and Southside Virginia.  In a piece replete with information and rumination, he sets out 13 takeaways from the recently-released Virginia Solar Survey “and other solar energy news, as viewed through the lens of the Southwest and Southside parts of the state.”

I am not going to go through all of them here, mainly because I could not do Yancey’s descriptions justice.  In addition to being an advocate for solar, he does acknowledge some of the problems and objections that have been raised. Here are some of the points that stood out to me:

  1. “Virginia’s solar boom is concentrated in the Piedmont, from the North Carolina line to the outskirts of Northern Virginia, with emphasis on Southside.”
  2. Virginia now generates more power from solar energy than it does from coal.
  3. Some jurisdictions are beginning to resist solar. After sifting through the objections, Yancey’s conclusion is that “…some counties see solar farms as industrial facilities that are simply incompatible with the community’s rural character.”  He warns, “Solar advocates may want to be mindful of this lest they trigger some backlash that has nothing to do with climate change denial and everything to do with land use.”
  4. One of the objections raised has to do with solar taking up prime farmland. Along these lines, the General Assembly enacted HB 206 (R-Webert, Fauquier).  The legislation requires anyone applying for a permit for a small renewable energy project to submit a mitigation plan if the project would “disturb more than 10 acres of prime agricultural soils or 50 acres of contiguous forest lands, or if it would disturb forest lands enrolled in a program for forestry preservation.”  (It is worth noting that such a requirement is not in place for any plan to build a subdivision or shopping mall.)
  5. Every school, especially a new school, should have solar panels on its roof. Schools in Middlesex County that have solar panels are now generating 100 percent of the energy they need.  Some schools in North Carolina generate more energy from their solar panels than they need enabling them to sell the excess to the grid.  In short, localities can save money with solar panels.
  6. Solar farms offer opportunities for small, but important, benefits. Three Virginia localities require that beehives be installed on solar farms.  The decrease of beehives in this country is well-documented.  All that open land on solar farms would be ideal for beehives.  Pollinators in general are in trouble due to loss of habitat.  Requiring solar farm operators to put in plants such as milkweed, which are the sole food source for monarch caterpillars, and other pollinators would be greatly beneficial to the localities, including farmers.

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51 responses to ““Let the Sunshine In””

  1. Lefty665 Avatar
    Lefty665

    Amazing that Virginia has more generation from solar than coal. That’s a big step in the right direction. Generating the bulk of our power from renewables while using fossil fuel to bridge darkness and lulls in wind while we figure out electrical storage and load management would get us well on the way to zero emissions without disruptions. Dominion’s sketchy financials on offshore wind remain a significant issue.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “Generating the bulk of our power from renewables while using fossil fuel to bridge darkness and lulls in wind while we figure out electrical storage and load management would get us well on the way to zero emissions without disruptions.” If only that approach was laid out in… say… a de-carbonization plan somewhere…

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        Load management is an interesting approach that could have a significant impact on carbonization. https://spectrum.ieee.org/packetized-power-grid
        Thanks to Nancy Naive for providing the original link.

    2. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Well, assuming Haner is correct on GCC (guffaw), the advantage is we’ve bought a few more generations of hydrocarbon use before they have to burn their furniture for heat.

  2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “The legislation requires anyone applying for a permit for a small renewable energy to submit a mitigation plan if the project would “disturb more than 10 acres of prime agricultural soils”

    By “disturb” do they mean things like plowing, tilling, or discing…?? Just curious…

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Or new malls, shopping centers and causes of runoff into the Chesapeake Bay.

      It’s okay though because polluting runoff in Va doesn’t equal the $#!^ coming out of the Susquehanna (tgfsc).

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      It should. Look at any farm that is plowed, has fertilizer and pesticides put on it, and it runs off during rainfall into local streams.

      Part of the whole Chesapeake Bay issue has to do with farm runoff in fact – something that does not happen with solar unless the site is not constructed properly.

  3. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Good find, Dick. Instead of “happy talk,” it addresses concerns of people and bona fide issues. I remember a few years ago driving around Oahu and seeing many signs in rural areas opposed to windmills. And this is deep Blue Hawaii. When issues are raised and addressed, it’s possible to find fair and reasonable solutions.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    the loss of farmland is a canard IMHO. The 5000 acre farm in Spotsylvania was put on land that was recently clear-cut and the property owner decided to sell the land after it was cut.

    Solar is no more “industrial” than say, a farm that raises several thousand chickens and has to do something with their poop or farm land that is fertilized with biosolids from wastewater treatment plants.

    people who own property have to pay taxes on that property and should be entitled to use that property for any legal purpose that is no more or less equal to other potential uses.

    We convert thousands and thousands of acres of farmland every year to residential subdivisions, data centers, shopping malls, etc.. that often generate the need for more roads, schools, and other facilities.

  5. Ronnie Chappell Avatar
    Ronnie Chappell

    Interesting. How do solar powered schools light their gyms at night for assemblies, sporting events, etc.?

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      Same way they always did. Most plans stay grid centric.

      Sometimes you push power into the grid, sometimes you draw from it. Pushing surplus into the grid fills storage and reduces need for supplemental generation. Always on generation like nuclear and hydro, and load management reduce the need for standby generation.

      Eventually storage technology will catch up with green generation capability and reduce the need for standby generation capability. But, we are a lot lower on the learning curve there these days.

  6. David Wojick Avatar
    David Wojick

    That a school generates all its energy from solar (and batteries) does not mean it is saving money, far from it. Of course if somebody else paid for the solar facility then the school definately saves money, but that somebody loses money, which may well be more than the school saved.

    Let’s see the numbers.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      They are doing it through power purchase agreements, with no cost to the schools. Here is how Middlesex County did it:

      https://www.prweb.com/releases/2017/11/prweb14912871.htm

      And here is a description of the arrangement in North Carolina:

      https://roanoke.com/opinion/editorial/editorial-how-roanoke-county-can-save-money-on-school-construction-go-solar/article_c62c1242-8816-11eb-9cf9-ffbcacf1c352.html

  7. David Wojick Avatar
    David Wojick

    Most of the coal fired power plants that supply Virginia are in West Virginia.

  8. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    I am curious what Va. public schools pay for electricity, but I am guessing they qualify for the much cheaper discount rates given to business. Although I tend to agree with solar on school roofs, the idea is basically charge taxpayers for the panels, which are probably way more expensive than the electricity (roof top solar is more expensive). Then the school may get net-metering rebates from the utility. Free money. I think I would like that idea if I was Treasurer for the school system, but it is a possibly fancy way to charge tax payers extra.

    1. Lefty665 Avatar
      Lefty665

      It would trade increased capitalization for construction for decreased operating expenses over decades. That might not be a bad deal. If the increase in monthly amortization of the construction bonds is less than the decrease in monthly electricity bills then it is money in the bank for tax payers.

      I’ve found that to be a good trade with hybrid cars, especially these days at the gas station.

  9. David Wojick Avatar
    David Wojick

    I doubt the schools mentioned in #5 are actually generating all the power they need. The batteries required to do that are huge because you can get almost no power for 5 or more cloudy days. Of course if they are heating with gas then their juice needs are relatively small.

    There is a prevalent deception where what statements like this mean is that they generate in total as much power as they use, which is very different, because they suck off the grid when the sun is not shining. No storage needed.

  10. David Wojick Avatar
    David Wojick

    The lineup of proposed solar slabs in Virginia, waiting for PJM approval, runs about 800 square miles and that is just the start of VCEA compliance. Happily PJM looks to have declared a two year moritorium on approvals while they figure out what do do with this erratically generating mess.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      That’s about 1/16 of all of Virginia’s farm land and about 1/50 of the total state (47,000 sq mi). Do you really believe that?

      BTW, all 800 acres would produce about 1/10 the energy consumed in the WHOLE country. Little Virginia carrying the needs of 5 states all by it’s widdle self.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      just to be clear:

      “The Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow (CFACT) is a US-based 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization founded in 1985 that advocates for free-market solutions to environmental issues. According to its mission statement, CFACT also seeks to protect private property rights, promote economic policies that reduce pollution and protect wildlife, and provide an “alternative voice on issues of environment and development”.[2][3]

      The organization rejects the scientific consensus on climate change.”

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_for_a_Constructive_Tomorrow

      CFACT says they support private property rights and the free market. So if a property owner wants to install a for-profit solar farm on their own private land? No can do apparently.

  11. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    the cost of natural gas is going up fast….. and prices for electricity are following. More and more solar will be used when it is available so that less gas will be used when it has to be when solar is not available.
    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ab6a28937bd7ed6bf64f96417ae2ae70cba4b5ba418d52e34da1091aa98915e0.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6f6fc873094eefac563ca05b9079786d8e34580c5faa116e8856f8c094c495d8.jpg

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/486f32c2a7f4de60307441c4ce5ad45fffdc27de0962e0f24ff4b31a9266fb79.jpg

  12. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    PS- I am not buying without proof that the solar is making more than coal. suspect what we are saying is the installed capacity (not watts made) is more, which is not saying too much. What we are saying is it is financial bonanza for the monopoly utilities to make solar and charge us for it, and shut down the current plants, with a profit (from captive ratepayers) on the construction and the generation, and a profit on the shut down of the old plants. Somehow this proves solar is the correct way to go. For stockholders, yes.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      Actually, the numbers reported are in (giga-) watt hours generated not capacity. Watt is a rate not a unit – watt hour the unit and gigawatt hours are a direct measure of the units generated.

  13. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    When people find themselves living in places where people can no longer live, they leave…

    https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/02/asia/india-pakistan-heatwave-climate-intl-hnk/index.html

    and move to, uh I dunno, where will they come to?

    1. WayneS Avatar

      Florida?

      https://fordauthority.com/2022/05/florida-man-wrecks-2006-ford-gt-heritage-edition-after-auction-purchase/

      This is, of course, completely unrelated to solar energy but due to the sheer stupidity of the situation I felt like I had to post it somewhere.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Arrrgh! Why did you show that to me! Sadist!

      2. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        At least it was a “replica”. For one brief moment…

        1. WayneS Avatar

          While it is not an original GT40, it is not exactly a replica either.

          In 2004-06, Ford designed a new GT ‘supercar’ which they sold in 2005 and 2006. This particular one is a “Heritage” model which was built in 2006 to pay homage to the original GT40. The 2006 Heritage is very sought after in its own right.

          By the way, they re-redesigned the GT for +/-2017 and they are still building them today. You can own a 2022 model if you’d like. They start at a mere $500,000 or so.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Yes, I saw. It’s almost, but not quite, a REAL GT. Official replica. Like a Shelby GT Mustang. Fortunately, a few of the originals do exist.

            I was always more an AC Cobra fan, and for those, kits are available at reasonable prices. They range from fiberglass bodies on a classic VW chassis all the way to one so exact that only the vins give them away.

            I also liked Austin Healey 3000s, and TR-250s. Can you imagine an AH3K with a 3.6 Ford turbo Eco-Boost generating 650HP? Blue Ridge Pkwy, here I come!

          2. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            I had a friend with a Sunbeam Tiger when I was a kid. That was a kickass little car, even though I recollect it was only a 260, not a 289.

            There were a couple of other hot sporty cars around too. One was a 327 powered Healy and another a small Olds/Buick (215 cuin) V8 Bug Eye Sprite. The rest of us were driving bigger cars with big motors. We figured they started to get fast when the hp/weight ratio got below about 10:1. NOVA had a lot of hot cars long ago, and may still.

            My 3.6L Eco-Boost has about 360Hp, Can I really close to double that? That would make my F150 almost fast!

          3. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Yep. Some small production British car was using a wildly modified 3.6L and boasted 650hp. They were doing a rebuild on one of the car shows. The car was literally built around the engine (mid engine) and to remove it, they had to cut the frame x-member. The manufacturer developed a kit to “officially” modify the chassis.

          4. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Amazing, the 3.6 Eco Boost is already OHC, injected and supercharged to get to 360+ hp. They could get maybe 20% more out of tweaking the software, but 650 hp would require almost infinite boost. More than 100hp per .6 litre cylinder is awesome.

            Funny, if 60 years ago you’d have told me I’d be driving an OHC, fuel injected, supercharged automatic overdrive pickup truck and that it would be a 6 banger, I’d have thought you were crazy. A 750 cfm Holly center pivot 4 barrel and a noisy solid lifter cam with a nice lope were sorta what we were going for.

            When Chevrolet broke the 1 hp per cu in barrier we thought that was hot. That eco-boost is around 3 hp per cube. Cosmic!

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Noble Salica GTR, and I misheard. 550 hp from a 3.5L ford engine. Did Ford even make a 3.5L?

            The car that was rebuilt in the show was an M-12 with a 300+ hp 2.5L.

          6. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            That makes more sense, thanks. The Eco-Boost 6 banger displacements are 2.7L and 3.6L with the 2.7L currently at 325hp and the 3.6L at 375hp. In themselves those are remarkable numbers.

            However, Ford does also make a H.O. 3.5L Eco Boost V6 with 450hp. It has 4 valves per cylinder, DOHC and 6, count ’em 6, bolt main bearing caps to take the pounding from the superchargers. That’s a stout engine.

            All the Eco-Boost 6s are aluminum blocks, a lot of horsepower and torque and light! Them boys in Dearborn are having a good time.

          7. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Dearborn? Is that in Mexico? Or Canada?

            Of course, if you want HP, a 5.0L at 1,300&change for the “One:1”. One horse to pull 1kg.

          8. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            The Ford River Rouge plant in Dearborn Michigan is where labor took on management goons and cops in the ’30s to establish the right to organize. It’s holy ground.

          9. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Apparently, the goons just moved to Staten Island.

          10. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            …where they became the neo-liberal elites who are running things today still much to the detriment of the country.

          11. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            BTW, if you buy a $500,000 car, you damned well better park it in a $750,000 garage. So, as the lawyers are fond of saying, “govern yourself accordingly”.

  14. WayneS Avatar

    Essex County knows about the potential environmental downside of constructing large-scale solar factories.

  15. DJRippert Avatar
    DJRippert

    “…some counties see solar farms as industrial facilities that are simply incompatible with the community’s rural character.”

    Of course, those same rural areas want the rest of the state to pay for their broadband service, they want money for their schools from urban and suburban areas of the state, they want economic development funds for brewpubs, etc.

    But solar panels?

    Oh no! That would be incompatible with the community’s rural character.

  16. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Just as there needs to be a cost-benefit study for Dominion’s wind projects, there should be cost-benefit studies for school solar projects. And both should be available for public scrutiny and comments.

      1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        Given the rampant dishonesty we’ve seen in public schools, why would anyone believe they would automatically look at the cost-benefit ratio of a “politically correct” decision? I’m not arguing that putting solar panels on any school is wrong, but what is the payback period versus other energy-related investments?

        Keep in mind that Fairfax County Public Schools operated a middle school without hot water in the boys’ restrooms for several years. And this year, asked for well more than $100 M in new funds despite having 10,000 plus fewer students.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          I don’t think that public schools are inherently dishonest – any more so or less so than other organizations, govt or private.

          We had several discussions about cost effectiveness in the schools for things like roofs and LED lighting, astro turf, etc between the School Board and the BOS. The SB dutifully presents their analysis and the BOS, typically disputes it and want another one done…. so what’s new?

          that’s not dishonestly, that’s a disagreement about role… and authority in my view.

  17. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Where would a solar farm serve the public best? Farmland like this 1937 photo of Tyson’s Corner or 2017 photo of Tysons Corner? I don’t understand why the roof of Tyson’s mall is not covered in solar panels? The parking lot could become a parking lot with an elevated solar panel roof. The energy is needed where the consumers live. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/93e0c05a1743b2d4c586350a8e1898203d90e507a505673cd6f937fc625bd343.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/6ca68fbd2df8ebca739c15a140372ed8be7736a1088efe3c249903cd35d7619c.jpg

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I agree. Why not on the data centers themselves? I suspect it’s the up-front cost with a 7 year plus downstream payback. That’s too long a timeframe corporations and for many private folks.

      A ground-earth HVAC uses about half the energy of
      an air-based HVAC but it takes 7-10 years to break even. Most homeowners don’t have and/or won’t speed the money up-front. It’s a hard enough sell on LEDs which are more expensive than incandescent initially but no contest on downstream costs.

    2. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      The farmland thing is a bit of a canard. In Spotsylvania county, we have fewer than 6 working farms left. There is a ton of “farmland” that sits fallow and unused except for
      the occasional small rural subdivision. Otherwise, there are miles and miles of open land all over the county.

      As it turns out, Spotsylvania’s conservative-majority BOS approved a 3000 acre solar farm after a barrage of “anti” folks. The only way anyone can actually “see” it is if someone flies a drone over it. It’s completely surrounded by trees, vegetation and earth-berms.

      Some day, perhaps when we get a breakthrough in other energy , these solar farms will gradually shut down when they get too old or obsolete – and that land will revert back to “farmland” which likely be vacant and no longer used as it is now.

      But in the meantime, if natural gas increase in price to the equivalent of $4-5 a gallon (for gas), solar will be 4-5 times less costly to “burn” and who in their right mind would still insist on burning gas when solar at 1/4 the cost is available ?

  18. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    Let’s hope neither Virginia nor North Carolina follows California’s energy policies. https://www.yahoo.com/news/california-says-needs-more-power-194133420.html

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