Kick Out the Punks Before They Kill Someone

by Kerry Dougherty

School officials are wringing their hands in Newport News right now, wondering what they could have done to prevent a shooting at Heritage High School that left a 17-year-old boy and girl with bullet wounds.

On Monday morning, outside of the school cafeteria, the boy was shot in the head and leg, the girl was also shot in her leg and several other students were injured in the chaos that followed the incident.

Frightened kids were herded out of the school to Heritage’s tennis courts, where they waited for their parents.

News reports initially said the suspect and the victims knew each other, but the injured boy told detectives he didn’t know the shooter. The Daily Press reports that much of the crime was caught on school surveillance cameras. After a brief fight in the hallway, which was broken up by a teacher, the suspect reached into his backpack, removed an item and minutes later pulled a gun out of his waistband and began shooting.

The alleged shooter, a 15-year-old student, has been arrested and charged with an array of felonies, including two counts of aggravated malicious wounding, two counts of using of a firearm in the commission of a felony and other weapons charges.

If convicted — and not cut loose by a soft-headed governor — this kid will be in prison for a very long time.

He was transported to juvenile detention once he was apprehended.

It wasn’t hard to find him. According to court records the suspect was wearing a tracking device, placed on his ankle by juvenile authorities.

That’s alarming.

Juvenile records are not public, so we are left to speculate on why the alleged shooter was wearing electronic tracking. Sources in law enforcement tell me that he was likely out on bond from juvenile court or he was on juvenile probation.

Who knew there was such a thing? I assumed that when most teens commit crimes they live in juvenile detention until they turn 18.

I was wrong.

Even more shocking, The Daily Press reports that another student in the suspect’s fifth period class also wears an electronic monitoring device.

I wonder how many others in that school are outfitted with similar fashion accessories?

The Newport News School Board will be meeting next month to decide what — if any — measures should be taken to prevent shootings in schools.

The district owns metal detectors but has been loathe to place them at the entrances to Heritage High because of the optics. School officials worry that detectors by the doors create an ambiance of penal institution.

Depending on how many other students are wearing ankle bracelets, maybe THAT shouldn’t be a concern.

But here’s a better idea: If a kid has committed a crime that warrants a court-ordered tracking device, perhaps they shouldn’t be allowed back in school. Let the parents who reared these punks figure out how to educate them.

At some point the safety of the good kids in public schools should trump second — or third — chances for the bad ones.

This column is republished with permission from Kerry: Unemployed & Unedited.


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49 responses to “Kick Out the Punks Before They Kill Someone”

  1. Steve Gillispie Avatar
    Steve Gillispie

    My goodness, what incriminating revelations of racism, inchoate white privilege, refusal to acknowledge Virginia’s sordid past, and right-wing, Trumpian misinformation campains against Virginia’s wonderful undergraduate education system these recommendations expose.

  2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    “Who knew there was such a thing? I assumed that when most teens commit crimes they live in juvenile detention until they turn 18.”

    Really?! That is quite the assumption. In your mind all juvenile crimes land you in juvenile detention until you are 18… smh…

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Without what serves for a “fair” trial, too. I guess if a teen is arrested, he’s guilty.

      1. John Harvie Avatar
        John Harvie

        Probably true in about 90% of cases…

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          That they don’t get a fair trial? Yeah, and not just with juveniles, btw.

          1. John Harvie Avatar
            John Harvie

            You have statistics, of course.

  3. On a side note, I think “Kick Out the Punks” is a pretty good name for a punk band.

  4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Despite covering local government for a long time, Kerry certainly as a sketchy knowledge of courts and the justice system.

    First of all, there certainly is a system of probation for juvenile offenders. In fact, most juvenile offenders are placed on probation. Some are confined in a local detention center for a limited period of time. Only a very small percentage of juvenile offenders are committed to state juvenile correctional centers. And, of those, many, if not most, are released before they turn 18.

    Then there is the statement: “If convicted — and not cut loose by a soft-headed governor — this kid will be in prison for a very long time.” I will release the irrelevant comment about a “soft-headed governor” and discuss the remainder of that sentence. It ain’t that simple. First of all, the kid is 15 years old, a juvenile, and subject to the jurisdiction of the juvenile and domestic relations district court. He can’t be sentenced by that court to “prison for a very long time.” The most he could be sentenced to would be to the state until he was 18 years old.

    There is the option to try him as an adult in circuit court if the juvenile is charged with an offense that would be a felony if committed by an adult. In this case, that seems to be the case.The J&DR court may hold a transfer hearing or, at the request of the Commonwealth’s attorney, must hold a transfer hearing. After considering the criteria set out in law, the J&DR judge may order the juvenile transferred to circuit court. If the J&DR judge declines to transfer the juvenile to circuit court, the CA may appeal that decision to the circuit court.

    If juveniles are tried as adults in circuit court and found guilty, the circuit court has a variety of options, which I will not attempt to go into at this point.

    1. Thank you for the brief but excellent primer on the juvenile justice system in Virginia.

    2. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      Maybe age definition of juvenile needs to be lowered.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Throw toddlers in jail!! The new Conservative mantra!!

        1. John Harvie Avatar
          John Harvie

          Inane.

    3. LarrytheG Avatar

      Yes. We DO have an existing legal system so I dunno if tinkering with it at the citizen level is productive.

      Not opposed to it. We change things all the time through the legislatures, but in this case is the motivating factor an increase in gun crimes among teens?

      If so, is that a legal issue? Will it be fixed by tougher sanctions, or just streamline the school to prison thing?

      Remember. You’re NOT putting them away for life. You’re putting them in prison with more hardened/career criminals and then after they have “learned”, releasing them to even bigger and better things…

      1. Packer Fan Avatar

        If you’re seventeen and already shooting your classmates while school is in session, I’m not sure their is much more “hardening” to be obtained in prison. You’ve already crossed the “disregard for human life” threshhold.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Perhaps. But then after they serve their sentence, you release them again?

          Or life sentences for those already sufficiently “hardened” ?

          Do we reach a point where the law and judges and juries are no longer needed?

    4. Dick, You missed the possibility that his case would be certified to Circuit Court for him to be tried as an adult. In which case, he could be sent to “prison for a very long time” , the sole caveat being that he wouldn’t be in “prison”, but rather juvenile lockup until he was 18 or 21, I forget which, before he was then sent to prison. Otherwise, I agree that Kerry has a rather light knowledge of the juvenile justice system.

  5. tmtfairfax Avatar

    If we don’t want guns to be used in crimes, we need to prosecute gun crimes. Authorities should consider prosecuting a 15-year-old who brings a gun into a school and fires it as an adult. Felons caught with guns should be prosecuted or else, give them their gun rights when their voting rights are restored.

    Ask the parents whether they want metal detectors to be used at school entrances. Their views should count a lot more than those of the woke school administration.

    And if a person with a monitoring device commits another crime, this person should be put into a penal institution.

    1. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      “Authorities should consider prosecuting a 15-year-old who brings a gun into a school and fires it as an adult. ”

      I’d recommend shortening the above a bit as: “Authorities should prosecute anyone who brings a gun into a school as an adult. “

        1. tmtfairfax Avatar

          Keep him on the streets; keep him on the streets!

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            correct. “The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun,”

          2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            In this case, it is more “keep him on the playground! keep him on the playground!”

    2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      It is unlawful for a felon to possess a firearm. The penalty is a mandatory minimum sentence of two years in prison.

      Possession of a firearm on school property is a Class 6 felony, punishable by a sentence of 1-5 years in prison.
      Possession of a firearm within a school building is a Class 6 felony also, but carries a mandatory minimum sentence of 5 years in prison.

      1. how_it_works Avatar
        how_it_works

        Mere possession of a firearm within a school building does not have a mandatory minimum sentence.

        There has to be an intent to use it.

        § 18.2-308.1. Possession of firearm, stun weapon, or other weapon on school property prohibited; penalty.

        B. If any person knowingly possesses any firearm designed or intended to expel a projectile by action of an explosion of a combustible material while such person is upon (i) the property of any child day center or public, private, or religious preschool, elementary, middle, or high school, including buildings and grounds; (ii) that portion of any property open to the public and then exclusively used for school-sponsored functions or extracurricular activities while such functions or activities are taking place; or (iii) any school bus owned or operated by any such school, he is guilty of a Class 6 felony.

        C. If any person knowingly possesses any firearm designed or intended to expel a projectile by action of an explosion of a combustible material within the building of a child day center or public, private, or religious preschool, elementary, middle, or high school and intends to use, or attempts to use, such firearm, or displays such weapon in a threatening manner, such person is guilty of a Class 6 felony and sentenced to a mandatory minimum term of imprisonment of five years to be served consecutively with any other sentence.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          You are correct. I stand corrected. I did not read the statute carefully enough.

      2. Exactly. And I strongly support the vigorous prosecution of those who violate our current gun laws, especially when those violations are perpetrated in pursuit of other crimes.

        I would like to point out, though, that there are several exceptions to the prohibition of guns on school property, including one for a person who has a valid concealed handgun permit and possesses a concealed handgun or a stun weapon while in a motor vehicle in a parking lot, traffic circle, or other means of vehicular ingress or egress to the school.

        This was included in the law so lawful concealed handgun permit holders can drop off and pick-up their kids at school without automatically becoming felons.

        1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
          Dick Hall-Sizemore

          You are correct. For almost any statute, there are exceptions. I was just trying to convey the primary thrust that was applicable to this discussion, without going into all the details.

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    “Sources in law enforcement tell me that he was likely out on bond from juvenile court or he was on juvenile probation.”

    Wow! Now there’s a “fact” on which you can rely. 1400 students with a large minority representation, so I cannot imagine why that’s “likely”. Angry white woman jumps to conclusion?

    The most missed fact, reported on CBS, was a number of students who refused to evacuate the school because of the presence of armed police. Given the comments of Kerry’s sources… These kids have learned.

    1. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      I must have missed her mention of race.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Punk is the new thug.

        1. Where does that leave the hoodlums, hooligans, gangsters, ruffians and larrikins?

          By the way, if you’ve never checked out the etymology of the word “thug” it’s quite interesting and, I think, worth taking a look.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Thugees. The Brits wiped ’em out. Kinda Indiana Jonesy, eh?

            Every knows hooligans are Irish. The use of the word for British football fans is just wrong.

    2. There is some reason juvenal authorities had him wearing an ankle monitor and I doubt it was so his parents could keep track how many times he opened the refrigerator or visited the bathroom…

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        The NN Sheriff will put one on your mom if you ask them to. Habitual truancy? Runaway?

        Didn’t you ever see “Disturbia”?

        Or, maybe Kerry would prefer “Minority Report”, and I do mean “MINORITY”.

  7. LarrytheG Avatar

    Only thing “shocking” is not recognizing that guns are becoming so widely available that they’re easily finding their way into the hands of teens these days.

    It’s who we are and we’re gonna see more and more of it so wringing the hands about it seems silly. We vote for this, right?

    2 teens shot outside after Brooke Point–Freedom football game in Woodbridge Aug 28, 2021

    https://fredericksburg.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/2-teens-shot-outside-after-brooke-point-freedom-football-game-in-woodbridge/article_d7e72fba-8e0f-5d4c-a017-02ea312752fb.html

    Even more so, we’re seeing weekly cases of road-rage and gun pointing..

    A Spotsylvania County man was accused of firing multiple shots into a car Monday afternoon after apparently becoming upset because the other motorist cut him off, police said.

    No one was seriously injured, Spotsylvania Sheriff’s Maj. Troy Skebo said, though the other driver was grazed on the leg by one of the shots.

    Skebo said the incident started about 3:35 p.m. on State Route 3 near Single Oak Road. After being cut off a short distance earlier, Skebo said, the alleged shooter got out of his car at the next light and approached the other vehicle.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Now, Larry, whom do the Dems really want to disarm and whom to they not want to disarm….I guess no guns in the hands of teens until just the past few years? Did ‘ya see West Side Story? Just like no hurricanes or droughts until the past few years….

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        West Side Story? That was REAL. GAWD!

        So I see this:

        Gun sales surged 80 percent in January, data shows

        More than 2 million guns were sold in January, an 80% jump and the third-highest monthly total on record.

        is that just sort of the “last few years” stuff?

        Yep, always knew not to go to certain parts of town but now – it’s on the road to the store and at the local high school football game – in suburbia. Don’t have to go to SE DC or parts of Richmond to get whacked.

        1. And 0% of those guns were [legally] sold to juveniles.

  8. Bob X from Texas Avatar
    Bob X from Texas

    It’s RACIST to put the well being of regular high school student above the well being of young criminal punks.
    We should all sacrifice our kids to the policy of EQUITY .

    1. Steve Gillispie Avatar
      Steve Gillispie

      Perhaps, but if you follow current academic padagogia, an increasing number of concepts reflect white privilege and must be expunged for a new “fair” system, to name a few…
      productivity,
      excellence,
      personal accountability,
      course grading,
      academic standards,
      discipline,……………………..

      1. Bob X from Texas Avatar
        Bob X from Texas

        We need to eliminate the following to make students more WOKE ( and unemployable) :
        Initiative and self-direction. …
        Problem-solving
        Time management
        positive attitude

  9. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Wow! What a dilemma! ICUs filled with unvaccinated Covid patients and no place to take mass shooting victims.

  10. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Looking back on a 27 year career…I saw a lot of more ankle bracelets than I thought. I don’t remember having problems with those students either.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Lee and Jackson to lose their National Cathedral stain glass windows.

      No doubt they will pay 10s of $1,000s to dismantle and preserve what could be done with a $2 brick.

      BR should praise Stoney.

  11. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Maybe it can be done on a grander scale, Kerry… kicking the punks out before they kill someone.
    https://slate.com/technology/2021/09/hermancainaward-subreddit-antivaxxer-deaths-cataloged.html

  12. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    It is curious that this blog
    post and the debate leave out gun control. I covered cops in Tidewater back in
    the 1970s and it wasn’t that uncommon for students to bring guns or knives to
    school. They sure had them after class. Plus, the post does not mention some
    major mass shootings at schools such as Columbine and Sandy Hook. Instead, the
    argument seems to focus on tut-tutting the lack of parental supervision and the
    lack of personal responsibility.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Hey Peter, do you remember when it was “zip” guns?

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