Judge Uses Crude Statistics to Find Racial Profiling by Richmond Police

by Hans Bader

A judge recently found that the City of Richmond racially profiles black motorists, dismissing the indictment of a black convicted felon accused of illegally possessing a gun. The judge did not find that defendant Keith Moore had been treated differently than a similarly situated white motorist. Instead, he ruled that Richmond police stops are racially discriminatory, based on statistics showing blacks are stopped and arrested at much higher rates than whites; and based on Richmond’s past “history of discrimination,” such as racialized zoning and redlining, and the “Confederate foundations” of the Richmond Police Department. “The Court will not require Moore to provide evidence of similarly situated individuals to prove his selective enforcement claim,” wrote the judge.

This is likely to create big problems for the City of Richmond, potentially leading to many criminals being released from jail. If a judge claims racial discrimination happened, he should identify what policies are racially discriminatory, or give concrete examples of discrimination, so that the problem can be fixed.  But Judge Gibney failed to do that in his February 12 ruling in United States v. Keith Rodney Moore. So now the City is deemed guilty of discrimination, based on things no individual police officer can change (such as city-wide statistics), and things that literally no one can change (such as  the confederate origins of the police department and Richmond’s segregated past). If other judges follow this flawed ruling, other criminals can also have their indictments dismissed based on city-wide statistics, even if it is undisputed that they committed the crime for which they were arrested.

Although the judge cited statistical disparities, he did not cite any specific police practices that led to blacks being stopped at higher rates, as he should have done if police were actually at fault. In Smith v. City of Jackson (2005), the Supreme Court ruled that even unintentional discrimination (disparate-impact) cannot be proved through statistics unless “specific” practices are identified that caused the “statistical disparities.” The disparities themselves are not enough.

The fact that blacks are stopped by police at a higher rate than whites does not itself prove discrimination. In United States v. Armstrong (1996), the Supreme Court emphasized that there is no legal “presumption that people of all races commit all types of crimes” at the same rate, since such a presumption is “contradicted by” real world data showing big differences in crime rates. Thus, racial disparities in arrest rates or police-stop rates don’t violate the Constitution’s ban on racial discrimination, unless they are caused by racism. As the federal appeals court in Richmond once explained, a “disparity” in school suspension rates between blacks and whites did not “constitute discrimination.” (See Belk v. Charlotte Mecklenburg Board of Education (2001)).

Requiring Richmond to have the same police-stop rate and arrest rate for all races and genders, regardless of underlying traffic infraction rates, would be illegally discriminatory under federal court decisions like People Who Care v. Rockford Board of Education (1997). That ruling struck down as a racial quota a rule that forbade a “school district to refer a higher percentage of minority students than of white students for discipline.”

Richmond’s “history of racism” and “confederate foundations” don’t magically turn its racial disparities into discrimination. The Supreme Court struck down a Richmond affirmative-action program that was based on even bigger statistical disparities — blacks were getting only 1% of city contracts, despite being 50% of Richmond’s population — in Richmond v. J.A. Croson Co. (1989). It did not consider this huge disparity to be proof of discrimination, even though it recognized there was a “sorry history of both private and public discrimination in this country,” and the dissenting justices pointed out that Richmond was the “former capital of the Confederacy ,” which they said was trying “to confront the effects of racial discrimination in its midst.”

The judge’s ruling also complains that “once stopped, Black drivers were 12.67 times more likely than White Drivers to be arrested as a result of the stop.”            But this seems like the opposite of racial profiling. If the Richmond police were really stopping black motorists for little or no reason, out of racism, they would be less likely to find contraband or illegal guns on stopped black motorists than stopped white motorists, and be less likely to arrest blacks after stopping them. But here, police stops were more likely to turn up evidence of criminal behavior on the part of blacks than whites, suggesting that police stops of blacks were more justified than police stops of whites. As a leading study finding racial profiling in police stops observed, a lower “likelihood that searches turned up contraband” when drivers were black is “evidence that the bar for searching black and Hispanic drivers was lower than that for searching white drivers.”

There are non-racist reasons why a police stop might be more likely to lead to an arrest when the motorist is black than when the motorist is white. One is the fact that laws ban felons from possessing guns, and a higher percentage of blacks than whites are felons. For example, rates of committing homicide “for blacks were more than 7 times higher than the rates for whites” between 1976 and 2005, according to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics in its publication, Homicide Trends in the United States. People who were convicted of homicide are felons who cannot legally possess a gun. In 2019, 6,425 black people committed homicide, compared to only 4,728 white people, according to the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reports. Because more blacks are forbidden to own guns than whites, a black motorist is more likely to be illegally carrying a gun than a white motorist, and more likely to be arrested for that when stopped by police.

Moreover, the fact that black people are younger on average than white people can result in a higher rate of traffic infractions by black people. As the New York Times once explained, “Demographic research has shown that the black population is younger than the white population, and younger drivers are more likely to speed.”

There are statistically valid ways to show racism in police stops — like comparing police stops after dark, when police cannot tell a motorist’s race, to police stops during the day, when police can tell the race of many motorists before stopping them. A well-known study did find a degree of racism in police stops based on that day-night difference, concluding that black motorists were stopped at something like a 10% higher rate than similarly-situated whites. That did show a degree of systemic racism against black motorists, even though it did not suggest that most police stops were due to racism.

Even if racial profiling exists, an indictment of an individual black motorist should not be dismissed if that motorist’s crimes or traffic infractions were so flagrant or clear-cut that even a white motorist would have been arrested for them, too. (See Teamsters v. United States, 431 U.S. 324, 362 (1977)).

In finding racism by the Richmond Police Department, Judge Gibney relied on testimony by Dr. Coston, an assistant professor at Virginia Commonwealth University. But as the judge noted, “In analyzing the statistics in this case, Dr. Coston never asserted that race caused a particular stop.”

Nothing Judge Gibney cited actually showed discrimination in any Richmond police stops. He cited a statistical disparity, but as the federal appeals court has explained, a “disparity” does not “constitute discrimination.”  Instead, what is needed is a statistical analysis that takes into account all major variables, not just race. In Smith v. Virginia Commonwealth University (1996), the federal appeals court in Richmond ruled that a study finding gender discrimination in pay based on a significant gender-based pay disparity was flawed because it did not take into account major variables like productivity and prior administrative experience that might have provided a nondiscriminatory explanation for the disparity.

Similarly, there are many studies that find that racial disparities in the criminal justice system are largely explained by nondiscriminatory factors such as differences in crime rates. For example, a 2021 study by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics found that although blacks are arrested for serious nonfatal violent crimes at much higher rate than whites, this mostly reflected underlying crime rates, not racism: “white and black people were arrested proportionate to their involvement in serious nonfatal violent crime overall and proportionate to their involvement in serious nonfatal violent crime reported to police.” (See Allen J. Beck, Race and Ethnicity of Violent Crime Offenders and Arrestees, 2018).  The fact that the black percentage of people arrested was similar to the black percentage of perpetrators of “crime reported to police” is telling, because the people who report violent crimes to police — mainly crime victims — are disproportionately black people themselves. Since victims are overwhelmingly the same race as their attacker, there is no reason to think that they are reporting those crimes out of racism. Most crimes against black people are black-on-black, according to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics. According to FBI data, 89 percent of blacks who were murdered in 2018 were killed by black offenders.

Victims of homicide, such as those killed by felons with guns, are disproportionately black, with about half of all U.S. homicide victims being black, even though black people are only 14% of the U.S. population.

Federal appeals courts have sometimes found that bigger racial disparities than those in Richmond don’t show racial discrimination in law-enforcement — not even racially discriminatory effect. Like in Alston v. City of Madison (2017), where a black man whose probation was revoked in a program where blacks were represented at 20 times their representation in the general population (86% versus 4.5%). An appeals court rejected his challenge to his incarceration, even though it noted that

Blacks accounted for 4.5 percent of the Madison population, 37.6 percent of arrests, and 86 percent of the program — statistics that Alston repeats time and again in his brief as evidence of discriminatory effect. Even the defendants admit that these statistics are regrettable….But that does not mean that the statistics prove discriminatory effect. Statistics are relevant only if they address the pertinent question, that is, whether Alston was treated differently from a similarly situated member of the unprotected class….Alston’s statistics do not address whether black, repeat violent offenders were treated differently from white, repeat violent offenders and thus are not evidence of discriminatory effect.

Similarly, Judge Gibney’s statistics do not address whether black motorists who violate traffic laws or criminal laws are treated differently than white motorists who violate traffic laws or criminal laws. Instead, he compares the percentage of blacks stopped to the black percentage of the general population. That doesn’t even show discriminatory effect or “disparate impact.”

Disparate-impact analysis doesn’t require close similarity in comparison, unlike intentional-discrimination analysis (people who performed differently on standardized tests can be compared together). But even under disparate-impact analysis, completely dissimilar cases aren’t supposed to be lumped together, according to the Supreme Court’s decision in Wards Cove Packing Co. v. Atonio (1989). For example, the demographics of an employer’s skilled workforce shouldn’t be compared to the demographics of its unskilled workforce or the general population, according to the Supreme Court.

Thus, the Alston decision did not find discriminatory effect, despite a large statistical disparity, where the statistical comparison did not “address the pertinent question, that is, whether Alston was treated differently from a similarly situated member of the unprotected class.”

Logically, it’s not the size of the racial disparity that matters, but what causes it. The criminal justice system is full of racial disparities, but most of them are not due to racism. A peer-reviewed meta-analysis of the criminal-justice system in 2024 concludes that most criminal-justice interactions are non-racist, despite the statistical racial disparities that exist throughout the criminal justice system.

Hans Bader practices law in Washington, D.C.

 


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34 responses to “Judge Uses Crude Statistics to Find Racial Profiling by Richmond Police”

  1. Gibboney Huske Avatar
    Gibboney Huske

    Obama appointee

  2. The city gets all it deserves. I thought the destruction of Monument Avenue was going to solve this?

  3. Ronnie Chappell Avatar
    Ronnie Chappell

    Statistics like these can also be the result of focusing law enforcement in high crime areas. And sadly most of the high crime areas in Richmond are low income and predominantly Black. Imagine the outrage if Richmond PD shifted officers to high income, low crime predominantly white areas. A truly stupid decision by the judge.

    1. Yes. The police are most effective when they spend most of their time patrolling where the majority of crimes are being committed.

      It would be interesting to see what would happen if Richmond PD spent a couple of weeks shifting their focus to high income, low crime areas. Interesting, but not worth the human cost of the mayhem that would occur in the areas they shifted away from.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “It would be interesting to see what would happen if Richmond PD spent a couple of weeks shifting their focus to high income, low crime areas”

        That data was indeed presented and examined in this case. Blacks are still stopped at the same ridiculously disproportionate rate in low crime rate white neighborhoods…

    2. Dudley Sharp Avatar
      Dudley Sharp

      Ronnie:

      It very well could be that.

      This is national

      Race, ethnicity and crime statistics.

      For the White–Black comparisons, the Black level is 12.7 times greater than the White level for homicide, 15.6 times greater for robbery, 6.7 times greater for rape, and 4.5 times greater for aggravated assault.

      For the Hispanic- White comparison, the Hispanic level is 4.0 times greater than the White level for homicide, 3.8 times greater for robbery, 2.8 times greater for rape, and 2.3 times greater for aggravated assault.

      For the Hispanic–Black comparison, the Black level is 3.1 times greater than the Hispanic level for homicide, 4.1 times greater for robbery, 2.4 times greater for rape, and 1.9 times greater for aggravated assault.

      REASSESSING TRENDS IN BLACK VIOLENT CRIME, 1980.2008: SORTING OUT THE “HISPANIC EFFECT” IN UNIFORM CRIME REPORTS ARRESTS, NATIONAL CRIME VICTIMIZATION SURVEY OFFENDER ESTIMATES, AND U.S. PRISONER COUNTS, See pages 208-209, FN 5, Criminology, Volume 49, Issue 1, Article first published online: 24 FEB 2011

    3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      As cited by the judge in the case many times, the same statistical correlation between black and white traffic stops exists in predominantly white and low crime areas. This fact was central to his decision.

  4. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Same thing Scalia did determining probability of wrongful conviction. If a Justice calculates it, it is thus the law.

    Wait’ll they overturn Chevron v. (Some expert agency). Judges Rule!

    1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
      f/k/a_tmtfairfax

      I have practiced before several federal agencies, most especially the FCC, for decades. I have great respect for both agencies and their employees.

      However, I often struggle with the concept of “expert agencies.” Very, very often, staff does not know the facts or understand the technology or, most especially, its application, instead, relying on outsiders to provide that information. And, with limited exceptions, courts are the same.

      There are good reasons to preserve Chevron deference or to limit it. I’ve had clients helped and clients hurt by Chevron deference and have argued to construe it broadly and narrowly.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        OTOH, having legislators write explicit regulations in the law when they themselves understand issues even less….??? Would you want Congress to be responsible for writing in law, the existing and future FCC regulations?

        1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
          f/k/a_tmtfairfax

          Larry, the issue argued to SCOTUS with respect to reconsidering the Chevron doctrine is whether a so-called “expert agency’s’” interpretation of a statute when the statute is not explicit as to an issue should be given deference. I’m simply taking issue with the concept that an agency with jurisdiction over a particular subject is truly expert on that subject.

          I’m certainly not arguing that Congress or the courts are more expert. But, even under the Chevron doctrine, it would be useful for Congress to provide more specifics and direction to the agency.

          A good example is so-called “Network Neutrality,” which would treat Internet Service Providers as regulated common carriers. Irrespective of my beliefs on the subject, this issue should be decided specifically by Congress. Internet access was only loosely regulated after the 96 Telecom Act passed, only to see the Obama administration impose more regulation. Then, most of those regulations were repealed under Trump’s FCC. Biden’s FCC is trying to reimpose the heavier regulations. If successful, the next GOP administration would surely repeal them again. Etc. Congress should enact specifics. What those specifics are is a subject for another discussion.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            If one is going to presume the Agency is not expert and therefore should not write the regulations – doesn’t that
            imply that Congress makes the decision when it makes law – that whenever something is not explicitly in the
            written law, the courts will decide – and the courts themselves have even less expertise. So, the courts do what
            at that point? Send it back to Congress to re-write the legislation?

            So I ask you, is this a practical approach that won’t tie up the courts and Congress with an avalanche of unresolved
            issues?

            You say what the specifics are – is a subject for another discussion. If the Agency cannot regulation – in general – across the board, ie, the concept of the agency and it’s expertise is invalid and only what Congress explicitly writes (or not) is
            what guides – then unresolved issues would take weeks, years, or longer to resolve and in the meantime, what happens?

            Isn’t this a recipe for governance disaster?

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Same thing Scalia did determining probability of wrongful conviction. If a Justice calculates it, it is thus the law.

    Wait’ll they overturn Chevron v. (Some expert agency). Judges Rule!

  6. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I have to commend Mr. Bader on his legal research. His citation of cases and studies is impressive. However, he does not engage directly with the court’s opinion enough. The judge in the case did not make his decision in a legal vacuum.

    In Whren v. United States (1996), the Supreme Court ruled that the 14th Amendment’s equal protection clause “prohibits selective enforcement of the law based on considertion of race.”

    Mr. Bader refers to United States v. Armstrong, 517 U.S. 456 (1966). It is too bad that he did not more fully engage with how the district court dealt with Armstrong because it forms the major part of the opinion. In Armstrong, the Supreme Court ruled that, to successfully assert a selective prosecution claim, a defendant had to present “clear evidence” of “different treatment of similarly situated persons.”

    Apparently, the lower courts have been struggling to find a way to implement this directive. In its opinion, the district court pointed out that “the Fourth Circuit has discussed Armstrong in selective enforcement cases, but it has not squarely held that a Black driver pulled over due to his race must specifically identify similarly situated white driver who were not stopped.” Indeed, the opinion goes on, that would be an impossible standard to meet. “No one could show drivers who committed traffic violations but were not stopped.”

    In light of absence of clear guidance from the Circuit Court of Appeals and the impossibility of naming individual white drivers in similar circumstances whom police officers did not stop, the court opted to base its decision on the statistical studies submitted by the defendant.

    Mr. Bader complains that the court’s opinion does not compare the treatment of white drives with the treatment of Black drivers, but rather compares the number of Blacks stopped with the size of the Black population. The government raised this objection with the court. The opinion quotes a conclusion of a report by the Department of Criminal Justice Services: “No one has yet found an accurate way to determine the number of drivers in each racial…group who are actually driving on the road and subject to being stopped.” Therefore, despites its flaws, the court found that “researchers in the racial profiling field rely on census data as a benchmark.”

    The expert statistician used by the defense analyzed more than 2,000 traffic stops since 2020. Using correlation analysis that accounted for interrelationships among variables, the study concluded that Black drivers were five times more likely to be stopped than white drivers.

    Coupling this evidence of discrimination with Richmond’s past history, the judge concluded that the defendant had met the burden of showing discimination and intention to discriminate.

    Regardless of how one feels about the case’s outcome, the opinion was not an arbitrary one. The general position set out by the Supreme Court, that selective enforcement based on race is unconsitutional, formed the basis for the opinion. The opinion examined the problems inherent in establishing discrimination and the uncertainty in the lower courts on how to implement another Supreme Court decision on this issue. Finally, the statistics were not “crude”, as claimed in the article’s headline. The defendant’s expert used a broadly-agreed upon methodology.

    I have some concerns about the decision. Under the relevant precedents, to establish that there was a violation of the equal protection clause, the defendant had to show the challenged actions had (a) discriminatory effect and (b) were motivated by discriminatory intent.

    I don’t challenge that the defendant established disciminatory effect. However, I think it could have been shown that the discriminatory actions were motivated by factors other than discriminatory intent. For example, the police could have been concentrating on areas that had a high incidence of violent crime, which happened to be Black neighborhoods. The argument could have been made that the intent was not to make traffic stops because the drivers were Black, but because the stops were somehow related to mitigating the violence in the area.

    The opinion did note that the government (prosecution) did produce evidence that “serious crimes occur in predominately Black neighborhoods.” The court then noted, however, “No one from RPD [Richmond Police Dept.] testified that it had a strategy to quell major crime by stopping Black motorists.” This was a incredible blunder by the government. The new Richmond police chief has devised a data-driven plan in which the department identifies “hot spots” of violent crime and also identifies “shooters” in the neighborhood. It then concentrates its patrols and traffic stops in those areas in an effort to tamp down violence in those areas. https://richmond.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/richmond-police-real-time-crime-center-rick-edwards/article_4541b748-cd7b-11ed-9e5d-f3690ba3e36f.html

    Certainly, testimony about that strategy might have offset the charges that the department’s disproportionately stopping Black motorists was motivated by racism.

    In the end, there was one finding that seemed to especially resonate with the judge. As expressed in the opinion, “And, most significantly, no one explained why Black motorists are disproportionately stopped in white areas of Richmond, where the crime rate is lower.”

    Update (2/17/2024): I just learned that the arrest was made during the period before the current police chief became the acting chief and began using data-driven methods. Also, the statistical analysis covered about six months in 2020. Therefore, the conclusions reflected the conditions in the department at the time of the arrest. Obviously, the department did not have an answer to the question of whether it had a strategy to quell violent crime. Nevertheless, the court’s opinion purports to reflect the current stance of the department and that is probably a disservice. The decision does have the potential to hamper the Richmond police department’s current efforts to diminish violent crime.

    1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
      Eric the half a troll

      “…why Black motorists are disproportionately stopped in white areas of Richmond…”

      They are probably just ridding the area of tinted windows is all… nothing untoward at all…

    2. William Chambliss Avatar
      William Chambliss

      “The expert statistician used by the defense analyzed more than 2,000 traffic stops since 2020. Using correlation analysis that accounted for interrelationships among variables, the study concluded that Black drivers were five times more likely to be stopped than white drivers.”

      The opinion goes on from there. “….once stopped, ‘Black drivers were 12.67 times more likely to be arrested that White drivers.’” Combining those two facts made the finding of disparate treatment an easy call.

      If Judge Gibney was wrong, the 4th Circuit will let him know, assuming RPD appeals. Maybe Mr. Bader can keep track for all of us.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Mr. Bader keep track? Au Contraire!

  7. Bubba1855 Avatar

    if a policeman/policewoman is black and stops a black motorist is it racism?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      I wondered that also.

      A better question: ” Can a policeman be black but required to carry out racist policies to keep his job” ?

      1. Marty Chapman Avatar
        Marty Chapman

        What is the source of this supposed racism in Richmond. The mayor, a majority of the city council, and the Commonwealth’s Attorney are black.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          Do you think that racism cannot be at issue because the leadership itself is black?

          1. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Larry, I will ask again. Given the facts I mentioned, what is the source of this alleged racism? Are you saying the mayor, city council, and the CA are racist along with the US DOJ that prosecuted this case?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            And I’ll answer again – just because leadership is black does not mean there is no racism in the police dept. You could call it black on black racism.

          3. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Larry, I think you just made my point !

  8. Marty Chapman Avatar
    Marty Chapman

    Key take away.
    “….because the people who report violent crimes to police — mainly crime victims — are disproportionately black people themselves. Since victims are overwhelmingly the same race as their attacker, there is no reason to think that they are reporting those crimes out of racism. Most crimes against black people are black-on-black, according to the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics. According to FBI data, 89 percent of blacks who were murdered in 2018 were killed by black offenders.”

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      A huge part of it is poverty and what people do who cannot make a living with legal means. They go into illegal activities like drugs and the killing is often between warring criminals.

      Not at all unlike what we saw when the various Mafia families were killing each other over “territories” and some folk equated it to “Italians” as opposed to what it really was.

      If you take the illegal and criminal data out of the stats, is there still a black-on-black problem?

      1. Marty Chapman Avatar
        Marty Chapman

        Larry, they are crime stats. Why black men under 50 are so massively over represented among both the victims and identified perpetrators of violent crime is clearly one of the great unanswered questions of our time.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          If you took the stats of those who are in poverty – would it show higher crime rates?

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          Would you think that crime from organized crime, Mafia , indicates a problem with massively overrepresented Italians?

          1. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Larry, I really am having a hard time understanding your argument. I am not sure how you define “poverty” but I assume you are saying there is a correlation between poverty and violent crime. I think there is, but poor whites, Asians, etc are no where near as violent as blacks. The question is why?

            As to your Mafia question, the mob was broken in the 70’s and 80’s by … wait for it … ” incarceration” of mob bosses. Violent crime in Richmond was reduced in the 90s by targeted prosecution of violent offenders via project exile.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            I don’t have stats but the drug trade today is not unlike the alcohol/drug/prostitution/numbers rackets of years ago in some respects. People who do not have a decent education and poor prospects for a regular job end up drifting into illegal things to make money. Organized crime as once constituted has been targeted and dismembered but street gangs who deal primarily in drugs are rampant and a big part of black crime and black-on-black crime, i.e. gang and turf battles. We just have large numbers of blacks who have poor educations, live in poverty and get drawn into illegal activities in order to “make a living”.

            What is the point of pointing out the higher crime stats other than to point it out if one does not really want to recognize what is going on and deal with it?

            You can “target” it but unless you deal with the root causes of it, it just becomes a conveyor belt to prison for whoever gets caught up in it. More taxpayer money for incarceration , police, guards , etc and it just goes on and on as a continuing cost to all of us.

            Pointing out the higher percentages of blacks does nothing except impugn a race where race
            itself is really not the root cause of it.

          3. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Larry, Why do children in Richmond not get a decent education in public schools? They are well funded on a per pupil basis. Is the school board racist?

          4. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Larry, so despite 60 years of massive social welfare spending how is it that we have so many people who are drawn into lives of violent crime? Could the problem be cultural rather than racial?

  9. Marty Chapman Avatar
    Marty Chapman

    Having read Judge Gibney’s ruling I am left with two questions. 1.
    was there a defect in the traffic stop, the arrest, or the search that led to the firearm ie were all three Constitutional?
    2. Would the indictment have been dismissed if an Asian Female had been arrested by the State Police under the same circumstances?

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