Jeanine’s Memes

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50 responses to “Jeanine’s Memes”

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      a picture is worth… lordy…

      1. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        No pics of demented Joe and his daughter? Or maybe one of her and her therapist helping her get over it? Guess we’ll have to make do with Jill’s reaction.

        1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Yeah! Remember when Joe said “I’ll go backstage before a show, and everyone’s getting dressed and ready and everything else… You know, no men are anywhere. And I’m allowed to go in because I’m the owner of the pageant. And therefore I’m inspecting it… Is everyone OK? You know, they’re standing there with no clothes. And you see these incredible-looking women. And so I sort of get away with things like that…” wait a second… oh yeah… never mind…

          1. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            I have never argued that Trump is virtuous, nor will I. Lecherous is probably a good description of Trump.

            The meme I posted in reaction to yours was Jill’s response to Joe showering with their daughter, and the daughter’s subsequent need for therapy related to Joe’s behavior. Pervert is probably a good description of demented old Joe.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Those stills are taken from videos. Watch one. Then you’ll know.

  1. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    1000 kg bombs are not an urban weapon.

    They are designed to destroy large hardened targets or against soft body targets spread over a large area. When the US went to war in Iraq, these were pretty much all the high precision weapons we had, i.e., JDAM. Within weeks the military was ordering smaller variants.

    You need to kill the terrorist not half the village thus creating 10 more terrorists.

    Were it my choice, I would cease all bombs, not jut 1000kg. Make ‘em use bullets so there will be no doubt that women and children are indeed the targets.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Correct. You do NOT use such large weapons in urban areas with civilians.. at least civilized countries don’t.

    2. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Let’s look at some facts, for a change.

      What is the modern urban warfare ration of civilians to combatants killed?

      The Center for Civilians in Conflict says it’s 9 civilians for every one combatant.

      https://civiliansinconflict.org/our-work/conflict-trends/urban-warfare/

      In the 2016–2017 Battle of Mosul, for example, about 10,000 civilians were killed compared to roughly 4,000 ISIS terrorists.

      That’s a ratio of 1:2.5

      As of April 18, the Hamas-run Health Ministry in Gaza reported a death toll Thursday of 33,970, which would mean roughly 20,000 civilians have been killed in the war. Israel says it has killed about 13,000 Hamas terrorists in Gaza.

      That’s a ratio of 1:1.56

      Facts are stubborn things.

      1. DJRippert Avatar
        DJRippert

        Uh oh … looks like Hamas has been lying. Who could have guessed?

        Well, anyone except a liberal, I guess.

        On May 6, the UN published data showing that 34,735 people had reportedly been killed in Gaza, including over 9,500 women and over 14,500 children. On May 8, the UN published data showing 34,844 people had reportedly been killed, including 4,959 women and 7,797 children.

        1. Marty Chapman Avatar
          Marty Chapman

          and the numbers will continue to be revised.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          You need to look closer. I don’t trust Hamas for a NY minute but at the same time, verified deaths have to have a persons name and that’s a harder thing to do in a place in chaos like Gaza.

          Using the same standard, deaths in places like Rwanda would be difficult also or for that matter genocides… in general.

          The question is do you really want to know and how many thousands of deaths of mom and kids is “ok”?

      2. Lefty665 Avatar
        Lefty665

        They are indeed, and Israel’s claim of 13k Hamas killed is sheer fantasy.

        1. DJRippert Avatar
          DJRippert

          Intelligence put the strength of the Qassam Brigades there at the start of the war at 30,000 fighters, organised by area in five brigades, consisting in total of 24 battalions and c. 140 companies.

          Israel claims they have killed 13,000 out of 30,000, or 43% of the total.

          What number of Hamas combatants do you think have been killed by Israel?

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Whose intelligence?

          2. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Well clearly not Lefty’s “intelligence”.

          3. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7af25ea238a265baf394a26717a4dcc527f74b7078bd5b207948bd5e48e0756a.jpg

            Israel’s Willing Executioners
            Chris Hedges

            Hundreds of thousands of people are being forced to flee, once again, after more
            than half of Gaza’s population took sanctuary in the border town of Rafah. This is part of Israel’s sadistic playbook.

            Run, the Israelis demand, run for your lives. Run from Rafah the way you ran from Gaza City, the way you ran from Jabalia, the way you ran from Deir al-Balah, the way you ran from Beit Hanoun, the way you ran from Bani Suheila, the way you ran from Khan Yunis. Run or we will kill you. We
            will drop 2,000-pound bunker buster bombs on your tent encampments. We
            will spray you with bullets from our machine-gun-equipped drones. We will pound you with artillery and tank shells. We will shoot you down with snipers. We will decimate your tents, your refugee camps, your
            cities and towns, your homes, your schools, your hospitals and your
            water purification plants. We will rain death from the sky.

            Run for your lives. Again and again and again. Pack up the pathetic few
            belongings you have left. Blankets. A couple of pots. Some clothes. We don’t care how exhausted you are, how hungry you are, how terrified you are, how sick you are, how old, or how young you are. Run. Run. Run. And when you run in terror to one part of Gaza we will make you turn around
            and run to another. Trapped in a labyrinth of death. Back and forth. Up and down. Side to side. Six. Seven. Eight times. We toy with you like mice in a trap. Then we deport you so you can never return. Or we kill
            you.

          4. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Lefty, is it fair to assume that you align with Chris Hedges?

          5. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Certainly not DJ’s either.

          6. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            You can’t deal with the truth. Dream on in your propaganda haze, it’s likely much nicer there than in the cold clear light of reality.

          7. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            I have read that the statement “I do not know” is the beginning of wisdom. I urge you to ponder that concept.

          8. Marty Chapman Avatar
            Marty Chapman

            Lefty, I will henceforth refer to you as the self appointed arbiter of truth.

          9. Lefty665 Avatar
            Lefty665

            Using your estimates, in more than 7 months the stumblebum, ill trained, ill led, undisciplined IDF has only managed to kill 43% of a gaggle of troglodytes armed with AKs and RPGs while killing 10s of thousands of women and children.

            How many 10s of thousands of women and children will the IDF murder to get the other 57% of Hamas?

            That is Israeli war crimes, and incompetence, pure and simple.

            We need to stop giving Israel the offensive weapons they use to kill women and children. Give them defensive stuff only and they may decide to live in peace with Palestinians. Continue giving them 1 ton bombs that flatten entire blocks and they will continue to murder civilians, women and children, with them.

        2. CJBova Avatar

          Too low? https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/gaza-fatality-data-has-become-completely-unreliable MOH (Hamas Ministry of Health) “…according to the media reports methodology, only 1,192 men had been killed in northern and central Gaza as of March 18, despite four and a half months of heavy ground fighting (see the author’s condensed database). Five days later, that number inexplicably decreased to 1,170—a feat that would have required 22 men to somehow come back to life by March 23 in order to reconcile the central collection system data with the overall claim. In contrast, Israeli authorities estimate that 13,000 militants have been killed—a figure that may incorporate many combatant deaths not recorded by either MOH methodology.”

        3. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          They are counting all males of “fighting age” to come up with that figure. Absurd and horrific.

      3. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        A 1000kg bomb says “we don’t care what you think.” Well, it’s our bomb, and we care when you don’t.

        And it’s a GOP perversion of Blackstone that executes 9 innocent men rather than let a guilty man go free,

      4. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        Israel counts all male adults as non-civilians. Do you believe that is true…?

        1. CJBova Avatar

          Source?

          1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
            Eric the half a troll

            https://abuaardvark.substack.com/p/counting-casualties-in-israels-war

            “Midway through our conversation, Parkinson points out one of the most glaring problems with the way “civilian” is defined: the studies assume that all men between 18-59 are potential combatants. That’s horrifying and absurd, to put it mildly. Parkinson doesn’t talk about this in our conversation, but if it’s true (as the IDF claims) that Hamas has 30,000 fighters in Gaza, then this method would almost certainly lump many hundreds of thousands of civilian men into the number of “Hamas militants” reportedly killed.”

          2. WayneS Avatar

            What does it mean when the IDF claims a 2:1 ratio of civilian deaths to Hamas militant deaths in its war on Gaza? How should we make sense of studies reported in the media about 61% of the deaths being civilians?

            It means the media is claiming a lower civilian-deaths to Hamas-deaths ratio than is the IDF.

            61% is 1.56:1

      5. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        “Facts are stubborn things”

        Not when reported as statistics, then they are very malleable…

      6. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I looked at your reference and could not find the quotes like ” The Center for Civilians in Conflict says it’s 9 civilians for every one combatant.

        In the 2016–2017 Battle of Mosul, for example, about 10,000 civilians were killed compared to roughly 4,000 ISIS terrorists.

        Are you sure they came from that source?

    3. CJBova Avatar

      NN, and how would you deal with the Hamas use of water pipes to construct rockets fired from civilian areas (like hospital parking lots and school yards)into Israel, or the hardened targets of 300 miles of bobby-trapped tunnels? Bullets aren’t going to take care of that.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I wouldn’t obliterate an entire city, or a “protectorate”. That, you see, is a crime against humanity. Even you must see that children are innocent.

        It’s the old, “Would you torture the 10-year old daughter of the terrorist to make him tell you where the nuclear bomb is hidden?”

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          Some folks have trouble with issues like this so they just bail.

          1. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Hence the T-shirt that reads “Kill ‘em all. Let God sort it out.”

          2. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            that seems to be essentially the mindset of some… Folks who can’t and won’t deal with realities and longer term outcomes.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            that seems to be essentially the mindset of some… Folks who can’t and won’t deal with realities and longer term outcomes.

          4. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Larry, I have struggled with reality for most of my life, and I am happy to report that with aid of the conservative posts and comments on this site, I have finally vanquished it.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            GAWD! Puckish, aren’t we?

          6. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            GAWD! Puckish, aren’t we?

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    The only Americans who unconditionally support Israel are those in whatever political party is out of power when Israel has to be reined in. Every president since 1947 has had to curb Israeli aggression/Zionism by withholding weapons.

    If I recall it was someone in the Nixon administration who made a comment to the effect of “he controls the Mideast who controls military spare parts.”

    1. Jackie T. Avatar
      Jackie T.

      You are right…

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