It’s a Different House Courts

Del. Vivian Watts (D-Fairfax), chair, Subcommittee on Criminal Laws

by Dick Hall-Sizemore

Long-time observers can attest to the significant changes that have occurred in the legislature over the decades. Perhaps nowhere are these changes more evident than with the House Courts of Justice Committee and its Subcommittee on Criminal Law.

This committee and its criminal law subcommittee had a reputation as being tough, and many legislators, especially non-lawyers, dreaded appearing before them. Its members were some of the most senior members of the House and most were experienced trial lawyers. It was a rowdy and colorful group. The committee handled more legislation than any other committee.

For many years, the legendary A.L. Philpott (D-Henry), widely acknowledged as having the deepest knowledge of criminal law of any legislator, reigned over the committee and subcommittee. During most of the current century, Rob Bell (R-Albemarle), another delegate with extensive experience with criminal law, chaired the subcommittee and then the full committee.

The committee and subcommittee had the reputation of being hard-nosed about criminal law. However, being experienced trial lawyers, most members were cognizant of the possibility of proposed legislation having unintended consequences if not worded precisely. Therefore, they would often go over bills line by line to ensure that the meaning of the proposed language was clear.

The recent series of elections, redistricting, and retirements have wrought significant change. Of the eight members of the Subcommittee on Criminal Law in the 2024 Session, four are non-lawyers. Among the four lawyers, one is a local assistant city attorney; one administers large personal injury cases; one has a small “boutique” practice centered on estates and other civil matters; and one works for a non-profit organization but has practiced some civil rights law. In summary, they have very little, if any, experience as criminal trial lawyers.

They are also mostly new to the legislature. The chair of the subcommittee is Vivian Watts. She is one of the most senior members of the legislature and has been a member of the Courts of Justice Committee and this subcommittee for many years. Although she is not an attorney, she probably has more knowledge and “feel” for bills dealing with criminal law than any non-attorney in the legislature, as well as some attorneys. The next most senior member of the subcommittee was first elected in 2018; this will be her fourth term. After those two, there is little experience. One member will be in her third term; two in their second terms; and three in their first year in the legislature.

It will be intriguing to watch this subcommittee and full committee.


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16 responses to “It’s a Different House Courts”

  1. LarrytheG Avatar

    This is why there should be provisions to hear from the public, including lobbyists for all sides.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      If you have ever been down there you’d know they routinely do. Up to the chair how long it goes on, often, but routinely anybody in the room has a crack at the podium. I’ve even seen a total stranger go to the podium, bring up a point nobody had considered, and spike a bill.
      Now, there are also times when the chair suppresses discussion and the worst trick of all is the last-minute substitute draft nobody has even seen.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      If you have ever been down there you’d know they routinely do. Up to the chair how long it goes on, often, but routinely anybody in the room has a crack at the podium. I’ve even seen a total stranger go to the podium, bring up a point nobody had considered, and spike a bill.
      Now, there are also times when the chair suppresses discussion and the worst trick of all is the last-minute substitute draft nobody has even seen.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I’ve been there. Was scheduled to speak when the Chair said “enough” unless someone had a
        point that had not already been brought up – and that was it. We were “done”!

        Clearly, the public speak stuff is more theater that the non-public discussions that occur as
        well as the actions that take place out of view of the public and other GA members sometimes!

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Larry, if a lobbyist is watching the committee unaware of how most of the votes will fall, that is a bad lobbyist. By the meeting itself most of the work is done.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            I know. I know. Was in a local transportation meeting the other day and folks were talking about getting involved
            in the GA session on some bills… as if they just started working on them instead of at the end
            of summer and into fall. How the GA “works” is as much a mystery to many as is how transportation
            “works” or health care or K-12 ….criminal justice, etc… I AM curious about the ongoing SCOTUS thing with respect to laws that get interpreted by agencies to become regulations. I can only imagine how much longer legislation will be if it has to lay out the intended regulations also.

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Well, this will work well with the SCOTUS bouts of over-turnings..

    We’ll have laypeople determining the effects of legalize, and the JDs determining the effects of scientific discovery.

    Chicken bones and tea leaves.

    Everyone has a belief system, B.S., the trick is to learn not to take anyone’s B.S. too seriously, especially your own. -Robert Anton Wilson, novelist (18 Jan 1932-2007)

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      As a reporter, I loved the House Courts committee, especially when Hardaway Marks of Hopewell reigned over it and it included the finest minds in the Assembly on both sides of the aisle. As a lobbyist, I tried to never take a bill there. 🙂

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Surely, this committee has host of paid consultants?

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Legislative staff, agency staff, a gaggle from the AG’s office, and usually quite a few practicing attorneys — as lobbyists or just as observers. Each meeting was a graduate seminar. And with Marks, Cranwell, Woodrum, Clint Miller, Steve Agee et. al., a comedy show. Forty sessions ago (sigh).

        2. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Legislative staff, agency staff, a gaggle from the AG’s office, and usually quite a few practicing attorneys — as lobbyists or just as observers. Each meeting was a graduate seminar. And with Marks, Cranwell, Woodrum, Clint Miller, Steve Agee et. al., a comedy show. Forty sessions ago (sigh).

          1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
            Dick Hall-Sizemore

            Later on, there was Dave Albo, who often was outrageous, but did show a serious, knowledgeable side sometimes. I also learned a lot from sitting in when Rob Bell was chair of the subcommittee and even from Morgan Griffith. But the years you are talking about will probably not be replicated.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            Memories… misty watercolor memories…

      2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Hardaway could put up quite a cloud of smoke with his cigar.

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Some poor sap freshman, and it could be from either party, would present a bill and Hardaway would look over his glasses and say, thanks, we’ll be sending that to Subcommittee one. When does that meet, the newbie would ask? We’ll let you know, he’d reply and smile.

          Everybody else in the room knew there was no subcommittee one at that time. 🙂

          No, Dick, it may never be that much fun again.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead

            I would have liked to have been in the GA during the 1820s. Revolutionary War hero Peter Francisco was the Sgt. at Arms. At six feet and eight inches and weighing in at 260 pounds, I bet everyone behaved during those sessions. His feats of strength and courage merit the nickname “The Virginia Hercules”.
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