It Shouldn’t Take Suicides to Reopen Schools

by Kerry Dougherty

Amazing!

Five days into Joe Biden’s presidency crack New York Times reporters finally discovered what the rest of us with common sense knew almost a year ago: That closing public schools would lead to a mental health crisis among kids that would far outweigh the dangers posed by COVID-19.

Of course The Times reporters knew this months ago. But publishing such heresy might have helped Trump’s re-election, since the president was also calling for schools to reopen. Better to let a few more kids fall into clinical depression than risk THAT.

The Times focused on Clark County, Nevada, the fifth largest school system in the country. The tragic consequences of shuttered schools is not confined to Nevada.

“When we started to see the uptick in children taking their lives, we knew it wasn’t just the Covid numbers we need to look at anymore,” said Jesus Jara, the Clark County superintendent. “We have to find a way to put our hands on our kids, to see them, to look at them. They’ve got to start seeing some movement, some hope.”

Since schools shut their doors in March, an early-warning system that monitors students’ mental health episodes has sent more than 3,100 alerts to district officials, raising alarms about suicidal thoughts, possible self-harm or cries for care. By December, 18 students had taken their own lives…

One student left a note saying he had nothing to look forward to. The youngest student Dr. Jara has lost to suicide was 9.

“I feel responsible,” Dr. Jara (Clark county School Superintendent) said. “They’re all my kids.”

Virginia Beach School Board member Vicky Manning, who has been a vocal supporter of in-person classes, told me yesterday that two emergency room doctors warned the board that “they have seen a spike in suicidal ideations.”

Yet the schools remain closed, despite recent efforts by the superintendent to relax the COVID metrics that govern reopening.

I recently asked teachers to email me with what they were seeing in their virtual classrooms. I received so many poignant replies that I can’t possibly quote from all of them. Every single teacher who contacted me is eager to get back to class. They are frustrated with the limitations of remote teaching and they’re worried as their students fall hopelessly behind.

Several Virginia Beach middle and high school teachers told me that chronic absenteeism is a huge problem. Upon investigation, however, they say they learned that some of their students were taking care of younger siblings while their parents work all day. Teenagers can’t join their classmates in virtual classrooms when they’re helping their brothers and sisters keep up with their school work.

I hadn’t thought about the many ESL (English as a Second Language) students, but a local teacher of those children related her experience.

Some of my students are from NATO families. They have highly educated parents, have been to the best schools, and have access to the best WiFi. They are fine. They are making straight A’s and learning English at an astonishing rate.

The majority of my students, however, are from Central America. They have parents who work several jobs and are more than likely uneducated. They themselves have often had a spotty education in their home countries, and are not always entirely literate in their native language. Some had never touched a computer before the school issued Chromebooks were handed out in the summer!

As you can imagine, this first term has been rather rocky for them. I just recently, within the past few weeks, have gotten them all proficient with the programs and apps we use on a daily basis. (Can you imagine explaining things like how to download Kami PDF editing software to someone remotely, in a language that you speak only slightly?) Most of them have a terrible WiFi connection if any at all.  I had a girl miss 2 weeks because her Cox cable was cut off and it took a while for the school system to get her set up with a hotspot. …

These students are failing every single subject (except my class). I cannot help them with their work in other classes when I’m not there to see what their assignments are. I can’t make sure they do their assignments. My class is geared toward their needs, but in other content area classes they are just lost. Imagine taking biology or chemistry in a language you don’t speak! I am simultaneously working harder than ever before and not doing nearly enough.

I just want to be able to do my job. The way I see it, I have been in danger of catching diseases all of my career. I’ve had ‘em all from hoof and mouth to strep to pneumonia to every version of stomach and upper respiratory virus that’s out there. My immune system has become pretty darn good at this point. I am not scared to go back, I’m much more afraid of the consequences of not going back.

Another very candid teacher talked about mental health problems facing students, AND teachers.

I have personally had several students reach out to me since September about how sad they are. Some apologizing for not completing assignments because they are so sad that they can’t get out of bed. One student said she was trying to work but couldn’t stop crying. (I hope it goes without saying that I told them they should focus on their mental health without pressure from me or my class.)

Additionally, this first term of the year alone I’ve had over a dozen students miss class due to mental health issues. I’ve had meetings with parents where they are begging the teachers and administration for help. They are worried about their children’s mental health.

The fact of the matter is while our children are falling behind academically that is far from my biggest concern. Our children are suffering. What I think decision makers are missing is the impact that their decisions are having on people’s mental health.

My mental health has suffered so greatly that I’ve had so go on anxiety/depression medication and seek professional help. Teachers don’t enter the profession because they like isolation. Teachers like being around people! We love our students. We care for our students emotionally and mentally. (Yes, even in high school). The way I miss students I barely know is soul crushing.

My biggest question in all of this is when does it end?

Here’s an email that especially touched me:

Dear Kerry,

I became a teacher because at one point, I loved the content and the smell of a new novel and the way it felt to string words together and make a sentence.  I had a lofty goal that I could somehow make kids fall in love with reading and writing and that they would leave my class and love The Catcher in the Rye as much as I do.

I am not going to lie and tell you it ever really happened, although I did make a valiant attempt and it’s possible there are some students who got a book in their hand that they actually liked and enjoyed reading.  Somewhere along the way, in classrooms full of kids just like me and not like me at all, I fell in love with students.

I began to care less about content – that matters, sure – and I began to care about all of the building blocks that make each student unique.  As a high school teacher, a lot of the blocks had already been built, and most of the students hated reading or hated school or just hated life in general.  Some made my job very hard – I loved them anyway.

They were a rag-tag bunch, coming from some of the lowest income parts of the city.  They were overlooked, unappreciated, mouthy, and unloved – except by me and I’m sure a handful of other teachers.  In my classroom, they found a space where they could just be accepted and seen for the beautiful people they were.  I can’t share their stories, as they are theirs to tell, but I promise they would break your heart.  Homeless, nursing dying parents, raising siblings and their own babies, escaping abuse, and looking for a place to be loved when their parents didn’t want them anymore – it was all there in those four walls.  Someone asked me recently, if my students were to say one thing about me, what would it be?  I believe they would say that I loved them – and for me, that will always be enough.

I worry about them every day.  I try to make it the same – virtually – but it’s not.  I can’t see their faces, I can’t hear their voices, and I mostly feel like I am talking to myself – is my microphone even on?  Some days they show up, and some days they don’t, but they are never engaged.

Have you ever been on a Zoom meeting for an hour?  How about 6 hours?  How can we call this education?  Anyone who works in education knows that the most important part – the most essential part – is forming a relationship with your students and getting to know them as people.  All of education builds from there, so how are we building anything at all?

I am being kept from working and doing the job that I love.  Somewhere along the way, it was decided it is too dangerous and now we are all sinking online.  Please do not tell me that we will “catch them up later” – for these juniors and seniors, there is no later.  Please do not tell me “we are all in the same boat” because most of my students don’t even have a boat and they certainly lack oars to push themselves along.  When did education not become essential?

Schools are essential to students – students should be made the priority and instead they are being left with no choice except to stare at a screen all day.  Even the governor recognizes that this is not education because although we have enough hours to count as “seat-time” he is exploring year round school.  If virtual is the same quality, why do we need year round school? Make no mistake, virtual learning will leave lasting effects on the students of this city, and those who are most vulnerable will feel the effects for generations.

Anguish is everywhere.

A friend of mine was walking by “The Wishing Tree” on Redgate Avenue in Norfolk last week when he spied a paper wish on the ground.

“I wish I could go back to school & make new friends. Avery.”

Enough. It shouldn’t take a rash of suicides to realize that what’s happening all over the country is widespread child abuse.

Reopen the damn schools.

Do it for all of the Averys out there.

This column has been published with permission from Kerry: Unemployed & Unedited.


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106 responses to “It Shouldn’t Take Suicides to Reopen Schools”

  1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    I heard State Senator Chap Petersen on the radio this morning. He is pushing for a statewide option of in person instruction by March 1st. He blames the system for closed schools. Our governor claims there is no roadblock from him to reopen. School boards and superintendents are looking for state guidance and leadership to take the step forward. In Fairfax 10% of the student enrollment has left. That data is now 5 months old. Probably even higher now. Petersen wants the GA or the Governor to take a strong stance and provide the leadership to reopen schools as soon as possible. Interesting interview. Third one down.
    https://www.wmal.com/mornings-on-the-mall/

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Wasn’t that long ago when Kerry and other critics were all over Northam for his one-size-fits-all edict for schools… so then he changed and delegated that decision AND also did provide guidelines – based on CDC guidelines so then the critics went after teachers and teacher “unions” so now we’re coming full circle – it’s Northams fault because he let the schools make their own local decisions.

      damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

      It’s don’t matter… no matter what you do – you’re gonna get blamed.

      Conservatives seem to have turned into a bunch of grievance monsters… they are NOT happy campers and SOMEONE is going to PAY by gawd or else!

      They gotta get their way or there will be hell to pay!

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        It is a tough bind Mr. Larry. Doesn’t matter if you go this a way, that a way, or Nottoway. I little Southside Virginia humor a few might have heard of before. With just 350 days left in office Northam has nothing to lose. He could muscle the schools to reopen. But I don’t think he will. It will be left up to the individual school boards. But they cannot come to a consensus on what to do. The heat is not high enough yet to reopen. By the time it comes Memorial Day will be in sight. There is a complete vacuum of leadership on the direction that should be taken.

    2. djrippert Avatar

      Good for Chap. He’s the only Virginia politician I ever gave money.

      Meanwhile, in Chicago, the teachers’ union voted to refuse in-person work defying the reopening plan.

      And Virginia lib-twits like Ralph “The Grim Reaper of COVID” Northam thinks our teachers should be able to unionize.

      Richmond has been overrun by idiots.

      https://chicago.suntimes.com/education/2021/1/24/22247280/chicago-teachers-union-votes-in-person-work-defy-chicago-public-schools-reopening-plan-strike

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Oh suck it up, DJ. 18 in a spate. Happens every year.
        https://www.statista.com/statistics/666791/states-with-highest-number-of-adolescent-suicidal-deaths-in-us/

        Las Vegas is the suicide capital of America.

  2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    This reminds me. Gonna rain today. Think I’ll watch a movie and I have DVD of “Harold and Maude” — the ultimate growing up Republican movie.

    1. What a great movie. One of my all time favorites. I love the Jaguar hearse.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Would have given my eye teeth for that car… and the rest of them to have known Ruth Gordon when she was, oh, let’s say 28.

        1. Same here. On both counts.

  3. ksmith8953 Avatar
    ksmith8953

    Great read. Telling stories from teachers. I hear the same from parents of mostly middle schoolers. Only one statement, no way did the NYT confine their writing to help Trump get elected. Get these kids back to school.

  4. ksmith8953 Avatar
    ksmith8953

    Great read. Telling stories from teachers. I hear the same from parents of mostly middle schoolers. Only one statement, no way did the NYT confine their writing to help Trump get elected. Get these kids back to school.

  5. LarrytheG Avatar

    Looks like more than teachers wanted to stay home from work:

    ” Shutdowns by Democratic governors did not cause the pandemic jobs crisis

    People started staying at home before the shutdowns were ordered, data shows”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/25/lockdowns-job-losses/

    of course since this article goes against the orthodoxy, it must be (once again) trash from the liberal MSM… current love of NYT, accepted!

    I wonder if all these folks who stayed home from the pandemic also had higher suicide rates? Probably, right?

    So the dang pandemic caused people to kill themselves ?

    I wonder how many kids who are kicked out of school because they are discipline problems kill themselves over it,

    Hey, more people are dying from more severe car wrecks these days… hmm… I wonder if they are pandemic suicides also?

    Inquiring minds want to know and as sure as the sun sets in the west, more “studies” will appear!

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      The Eternal Apologist is heard from….a guy who has had his shot! (Starting to wonder what the real priority list looks like, hmmmmm?) Enough R’s didn’t die from refusing the masks? Get a second shot at them by denying them the vaccine!

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        thank gawd…I thought you were going to say infernal !

        Hey.. you think your worries are over when you get the first shot and there is talk of vaccines shortages everywhere and some are saying don’t hold back the 2nd shots?

        The reason why folks are not getting scheduled? Is it incompetence or is it a lack of vaccine they don’t want to admit?

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Oh jeez, give ‘im a break. He’s just reacting to a woman who never had use for a curling iron. Her hair combusts spontaneously.

        Creative Writing 101.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “I wonder if all these folks who stayed home from the pandemic also had higher suicide rates? Probably, right?

      So the dang pandemic caused people to kill themselves ?”

      No, those are called unintended consequences. They are the 2nd and 3rd order consequences that you didn’t care to discuss when the lockdowns were taking place.

      How about for a single post you stop moving goalposts and answer questions instead of just rambling on incoherently.

      There is no lack of vaccine.

      https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/more-than-450-000-total-vaccine-doses-have-been-distributed-in-va-but-barely-20/article_b629df98-dd76-5aee-8ecc-80a7042140c8.html

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Kind of an older article gobber.

        how about a later one:

        States report vaccine shortages and cancel appointments

        January 20, 2021

        NEW YORK (AP) — The push to inoculate Americans against the coronavirus is hitting a roadblock: A number of states are reporting they are running out of vaccine, and tens of thousands of people who managed to get appointments for a first dose are seeing them canceled.

        and this: ” Virginia officials learned Thursday that the state’s allotment of the federally supplied vaccines will be about 105,000 doses a week for the next month—about a third of what was requested. The state decided to divvy up the total across the 35 health districts based on population, said Dr. Danny Avula, who’s leading Virginia’s vaccine rollout.”

        is this like “moving goalposts” and babbling incoherently and all that or are you looking in a mirror this morning … ?

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Well lets break down your post:

          1) You attempt to belittle me but f’ up that, it’s “goober” not “gober”, it’s a chocolate covered peanut.

          2) The age of the article is and was irrelevant as it was from this month in this year. However, if you want to go down that road we can and prove you again to be nothing buy a party sycophant.

          https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html

          49 out of 50 992,375 distributed 362,092 administered, that’s 36.49%

          3) Mixing and matching article doesn’t work, and cite your work.

          “is this like “moving goalposts” and babbling incoherently and all that or are you looking in a mirror this morning … ?”

          Larry, you have zero idea what constitutes “moving goalposts and you’re attempt to use it is just amusing. Also, the babbling incoherently is all you and your 3 to 1 post ratios ever do.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            oh man Matt…is that all you got goober?

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            So you’ve managed to correct your insult but have no comment on the data enclosed? Shocked I tell you, shocked.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            I know. So VERY disappointing… ugh…

          4. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “LarrytheG | January 25, 2021 at 10:44 am |
            I know. So VERY disappointing… ugh…”

            That you continually ignore facts that are contrary to your opinion and call others “biased”. Not so much as disappointing, but more telling about you.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            oh that too.. even more disappointing… geeze.. Matt…

        2. “Kind of an older article gobber.”

          Says the guy who regularly posts 5-10 year old polls, data and graphs to support his arguments…

    3. Paul Sweet Avatar
      Paul Sweet

      I believe state workers were encouraged to work from home a couple weeks before the Governor issued his first lockdown. A lot of people believed the sky was falling, and only a few of us kept coming in to the office until we were told not to.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        well , SOMETHING is going on:

        ” Data collected by 512 vehicle counting stations across the state showed the deepest plummet in traffic happened in the months following the onset of the pandemic, falling 60 percent below 2019 figures, according to the Virginia Department of Transportation report.

        Traffic has bounced back in recent months, and is near normal in some areas, including the Fredericksburg corridor. The report noted that traffic volume on Interstate 95 in Stafford has “rebounded more than the statewide average,” VDOT’s Mena Lockwood told the Commonwealth Transportation Board.”

        https://fredericksburg.com/news/local/getting-there-traffic-bounces-back/article_243ff087-880b-53cb-ac15-3341b521e6a2.html#tracking-source=home-trending

        so much for permanent changes as a result of the pandemic……

        1. Steve Haner Avatar
          Steve Haner

          A useless chicken and egg debate. The real issue is that now that we’ve had ten months of this, the evidence is much clearer what is problematic and what is not. And without doubt, despite the surge over the past four or six weeks, most Americans are NOT behaving they way they did March-May. Traffic is 100% normal, it seems.

          Vaccines: Gottlieb described a common roadblock that CVS experienced. Before it would/will go into a nursing home it wanted all the permission slips signed and ready, and plenty of those needed somebody from the family to sign. Took a LONG time in some cases to get the big pile, and in the meantime, serum sat in freezers……That’s why only now some of the states are starting to release CVS to reach out to the public.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Head of the CDC:

            ” The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned Sunday that the federal government doesn’t know how much coronavirus vaccine the nation has.
            “I can’t tell you how much vaccine we have, and if I can’t tell it to you then I can’t tell it to the governors and I can’t tell it to the state health officials,” CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told “Fox News Sunday.”

            https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/24/cdc-director-government-does-not-know-how-much-covid-vaccine-the-us-has.html

            I’m quite sure coonman and VDH had something to do with this, right?

            😉

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Your post is a deflection, it’s a moving of the goalposts.

            We know how much Vaccine Virginia has and how much has been administered.

            What the Federal Government currently has doesn’t impact the ampules/vials sitting in deep freeze in the commonwealth waiting to be administered. What it does say is that the Administration doesn’t have a logistician in their bunch and should hire a competent person instead of killing more Virginians.

  6. LarrytheG Avatar

    Looks like more than teachers wanted to stay home from work:

    ” Shutdowns by Democratic governors did not cause the pandemic jobs crisis

    People started staying at home before the shutdowns were ordered, data shows”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2021/01/25/lockdowns-job-losses/

    of course since this article goes against the orthodoxy, it must be (once again) trash from the liberal MSM… current love of NYT, accepted!

    I wonder if all these folks who stayed home from the pandemic also had higher suicide rates? Probably, right?

    So the dang pandemic caused people to kill themselves ?

    I wonder how many kids who are kicked out of school because they are discipline problems kill themselves over it,

    Hey, more people are dying from more severe car wrecks these days… hmm… I wonder if they are pandemic suicides also?

    Inquiring minds want to know and as sure as the sun sets in the west, more “studies” will appear!

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      The Eternal Apologist is heard from….a guy who has had his shot! (Starting to wonder what the real priority list looks like, hmmmmm?) Enough R’s didn’t die from refusing the masks? Get a second shot at them by denying them the vaccine!

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        thank gawd…I thought you were going to say infernal !

        Hey.. you think your worries are over when you get the first shot and there is talk of vaccines shortages everywhere and some are saying don’t hold back the 2nd shots?

        The reason why folks are not getting scheduled? Is it incompetence or is it a lack of vaccine they don’t want to admit?

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Oh jeez, give ‘im a break. He’s just reacting to a woman who never had use for a curling iron. Her hair combusts spontaneously.

        Creative Writing 101.

    2. Matt Adams Avatar
      Matt Adams

      “I wonder if all these folks who stayed home from the pandemic also had higher suicide rates? Probably, right?

      So the dang pandemic caused people to kill themselves ?”

      No, those are called unintended consequences. They are the 2nd and 3rd order consequences that you didn’t care to discuss when the lockdowns were taking place.

      How about for a single post you stop moving goalposts and answer questions instead of just rambling on incoherently.

      There is no lack of vaccine.

      https://richmond.com/news/state-and-regional/more-than-450-000-total-vaccine-doses-have-been-distributed-in-va-but-barely-20/article_b629df98-dd76-5aee-8ecc-80a7042140c8.html

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Kind of an older article gobber.

        how about a later one:

        States report vaccine shortages and cancel appointments

        January 20, 2021

        NEW YORK (AP) — The push to inoculate Americans against the coronavirus is hitting a roadblock: A number of states are reporting they are running out of vaccine, and tens of thousands of people who managed to get appointments for a first dose are seeing them canceled.

        and this: ” Virginia officials learned Thursday that the state’s allotment of the federally supplied vaccines will be about 105,000 doses a week for the next month—about a third of what was requested. The state decided to divvy up the total across the 35 health districts based on population, said Dr. Danny Avula, who’s leading Virginia’s vaccine rollout.”

        is this like “moving goalposts” and babbling incoherently and all that or are you looking in a mirror this morning … ?

        1. Matt Adams Avatar
          Matt Adams

          Well lets break down your post:

          1) You attempt to belittle me but f’ up that, it’s “goober” not “gober”, it’s a chocolate covered peanut.

          2) The age of the article is and was irrelevant as it was from this month in this year. However, if you want to go down that road we can and prove you again to be nothing buy a party sycophant.

          https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/public-health/states-ranked-by-percentage-of-covid-19-vaccines-administered.html

          49 out of 50 992,375 distributed 362,092 administered, that’s 36.49%

          3) Mixing and matching article doesn’t work, and cite your work.

          “is this like “moving goalposts” and babbling incoherently and all that or are you looking in a mirror this morning … ?”

          Larry, you have zero idea what constitutes “moving goalposts and you’re attempt to use it is just amusing. Also, the babbling incoherently is all you and your 3 to 1 post ratios ever do.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            oh man Matt…is that all you got goober?

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            So you’ve managed to correct your insult but have no comment on the data enclosed? Shocked I tell you, shocked.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            I know. So VERY disappointing… ugh…

          4. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            “LarrytheG | January 25, 2021 at 10:44 am |
            I know. So VERY disappointing… ugh…”

            That you continually ignore facts that are contrary to your opinion and call others “biased”. Not so much as disappointing, but more telling about you.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            oh that too.. even more disappointing… geeze.. Matt…

        2. “Kind of an older article gobber.”

          Says the guy who regularly posts 5-10 year old polls, data and graphs to support his arguments…

    3. Paul Sweet Avatar
      Paul Sweet

      I believe state workers were encouraged to work from home a couple weeks before the Governor issued his first lockdown. A lot of people believed the sky was falling, and only a few of us kept coming in to the office until we were told not to.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        well , SOMETHING is going on:

        ” Data collected by 512 vehicle counting stations across the state showed the deepest plummet in traffic happened in the months following the onset of the pandemic, falling 60 percent below 2019 figures, according to the Virginia Department of Transportation report.

        Traffic has bounced back in recent months, and is near normal in some areas, including the Fredericksburg corridor. The report noted that traffic volume on Interstate 95 in Stafford has “rebounded more than the statewide average,” VDOT’s Mena Lockwood told the Commonwealth Transportation Board.”

        https://fredericksburg.com/news/local/getting-there-traffic-bounces-back/article_243ff087-880b-53cb-ac15-3341b521e6a2.html#tracking-source=home-trending

        so much for permanent changes as a result of the pandemic……

        1. Steve Haner Avatar
          Steve Haner

          A useless chicken and egg debate. The real issue is that now that we’ve had ten months of this, the evidence is much clearer what is problematic and what is not. And without doubt, despite the surge over the past four or six weeks, most Americans are NOT behaving they way they did March-May. Traffic is 100% normal, it seems.

          Vaccines: Gottlieb described a common roadblock that CVS experienced. Before it would/will go into a nursing home it wanted all the permission slips signed and ready, and plenty of those needed somebody from the family to sign. Took a LONG time in some cases to get the big pile, and in the meantime, serum sat in freezers……That’s why only now some of the states are starting to release CVS to reach out to the public.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            Head of the CDC:

            ” The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention warned Sunday that the federal government doesn’t know how much coronavirus vaccine the nation has.
            “I can’t tell you how much vaccine we have, and if I can’t tell it to you then I can’t tell it to the governors and I can’t tell it to the state health officials,” CDC director Dr. Rochelle Walensky told “Fox News Sunday.”

            https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/24/cdc-director-government-does-not-know-how-much-covid-vaccine-the-us-has.html

            I’m quite sure coonman and VDH had something to do with this, right?

            😉

          2. Matt Adams Avatar
            Matt Adams

            Your post is a deflection, it’s a moving of the goalposts.

            We know how much Vaccine Virginia has and how much has been administered.

            What the Federal Government currently has doesn’t impact the ampules/vials sitting in deep freeze in the commonwealth waiting to be administered. What it does say is that the Administration doesn’t have a logistician in their bunch and should hire a competent person instead of killing more Virginians.

  7. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    “Of course The Times reporters knew this months ago. But publishing such heresy might have helped Trump’s re-election, since the president was also calling for schools to reopen. Better to let a few more kids fall into clinical depression than risk THAT.”

    Wow! They did, huh?

    Or is this just another “true believer” belief, like corrupt GA Republicans who just couldn’t find another 11,000 votes because they wanted Trump to lose?

    Kids commit suicide. Always have; always will. Making them hang around with their parents is the number one cause.

    Gee, wonder if there is a rise in patricide and matricide?

    Maybe you’re lucky your kids weren’t forced to hang around with you (2nd person plural, wink, wink).

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      well sure… If you’re actually going to quote the lame stream media as providing facts… then it must be some kind of conspiracy… ipso facto.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Wait Larry, the Republicans constantly tell us our schools suck, right?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          public schools suck. teacher unions suck. Teachers suck AND they’re causing suicides to boot!

          That’s why we MUST re-open schools so that all those bad teachers that refused to teach can stop kids from killing themselves…

          I dunno that narrative seems to have a rabbit hole aspet to it.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead V

            I’ll tell you something that sucks. Staring into a casket of former student who needed help and you weren’t there for them. I have had to do that a number of times in my career.

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Speaking of suicide, I understand it’s up for QAnon followers too.

        2. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead V

          18 suicides in Clark County Nevada. Eighteen, XVIII. Sinking in yet?

          1. ksmith8953 Avatar
            ksmith8953

            I did and one as young as nine. It renders me astonished and frustrated!

          2. djrippert Avatar

            Of course it isn’t sinking in with liberal apologists like LarrytheG and Nancy_Naive. They consider children killing themselves either irrelevant or high humor –

            “Kids commit suicide. Always have; always will. Making them hang around with their parents is the number one cause.

            Gee, wonder if there is a rise in patricide and matricide?”

            Disgusting.

            We’ve already seen that lib-twits’ professed love of “science” is pure BS. Now we see that their perpetual cries of ” … for the children …” is also BS.

          3. ksmith8953 Avatar
            ksmith8953

            If a mass shooting would have resulted in the deaths of 18 children, media would have been all over this asking for accountability from persons who did not see the warning signs.

          4. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Wow! So few? Monkey see, monkey do.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        Not minimizing suicides but I think the right is using them politically.

        We probably have more than a few kids who suicide over bullying but those suicides are not really an issue with the open-up-schools-now folks.

        It’s just kinda sleazy to use suicides to make a political point but it’s the way things are now.

        1. Is politicizing tragedies sleazy when democrats do it?

          1. idiocracy Avatar

            Of course not. When Democrats do it, it shows that they are compassionate and care about their constituents.

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Yes, yes. Just look at how the Democrats politicized Vince Foster’s suicide.

  8. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    “Of course The Times reporters knew this months ago. But publishing such heresy might have helped Trump’s re-election, since the president was also calling for schools to reopen. Better to let a few more kids fall into clinical depression than risk THAT.”

    Wow! They did, huh?

    Or is this just another “true believer” belief, like corrupt GA Republicans who just couldn’t find another 11,000 votes because they wanted Trump to lose?

    Kids commit suicide. Always have; always will. Making them hang around with their parents is the number one cause.

    Gee, wonder if there is a rise in patricide and matricide?

    Maybe you’re lucky your kids weren’t forced to hang around with you (2nd person plural, wink, wink).

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      well sure… If you’re actually going to quote the lame stream media as providing facts… then it must be some kind of conspiracy… ipso facto.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Not minimizing suicides but I think the right is using them politically.

        We probably have more than a few kids who suicide over bullying but those suicides are not really an issue with the open-up-schools-now folks.

        It’s just kinda sleazy to use suicides to make a political point but it’s the way things are now.

        1. Is politicizing tragedies sleazy when democrats do it?

          1. idiocracy Avatar

            Of course not. When Democrats do it, it shows that they are compassionate and care about their constituents.

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Yes, yes. Just look at how the Democrats politicized Vince Foster’s suicide.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Wait Larry, the Republicans constantly tell us our schools suck, right?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          public schools suck. teacher unions suck. Teachers suck AND they’re causing suicides to boot!

          That’s why we MUST re-open schools so that all those bad teachers that refused to teach can stop kids from killing themselves…

          I dunno that narrative seems to have a rabbit hole aspet to it.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead V

            I’ll tell you something that sucks. Staring into a casket of former student who needed help and you weren’t there for them. I have had to do that a number of times in my career.

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Speaking of suicide, I understand it’s up for QAnon followers too.

        2. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead V

          18 suicides in Clark County Nevada. Eighteen, XVIII. Sinking in yet?

          1. ksmith8953 Avatar
            ksmith8953

            I did and one as young as nine. It renders me astonished and frustrated!

          2. djrippert Avatar

            Of course it isn’t sinking in with liberal apologists like LarrytheG and Nancy_Naive. They consider children killing themselves either irrelevant or high humor –

            “Kids commit suicide. Always have; always will. Making them hang around with their parents is the number one cause.

            Gee, wonder if there is a rise in patricide and matricide?”

            Disgusting.

            We’ve already seen that lib-twits’ professed love of “science” is pure BS. Now we see that their perpetual cries of ” … for the children …” is also BS.

          3. ksmith8953 Avatar
            ksmith8953

            If a mass shooting would have resulted in the deaths of 18 children, media would have been all over this asking for accountability from persons who did not see the warning signs.

          4. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Wow! So few? Monkey see, monkey do.

  9. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    I heard State Senator Chap Petersen on the radio this morning. He is pushing for a statewide option of in person instruction by March 1st. He blames the system for closed schools. Our governor claims there is no roadblock from him to reopen. School boards and superintendents are looking for state guidance and leadership to take the step forward. In Fairfax 10% of the student enrollment has left. That data is now 5 months old. Probably even higher now. Petersen wants the GA or the Governor to take a strong stance and provide the leadership to reopen schools as soon as possible. Interesting interview. Third one down.
    https://www.wmal.com/mornings-on-the-mall/

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      Wasn’t that long ago when Kerry and other critics were all over Northam for his one-size-fits-all edict for schools… so then he changed and delegated that decision AND also did provide guidelines – based on CDC guidelines so then the critics went after teachers and teacher “unions” so now we’re coming full circle – it’s Northams fault because he let the schools make their own local decisions.

      damned if you do and damned if you don’t.

      It’s don’t matter… no matter what you do – you’re gonna get blamed.

      Conservatives seem to have turned into a bunch of grievance monsters… they are NOT happy campers and SOMEONE is going to PAY by gawd or else!

      They gotta get their way or there will be hell to pay!

      1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
        James Wyatt Whitehead V

        It is a tough bind Mr. Larry. Doesn’t matter if you go this a way, that a way, or Nottoway. I little Southside Virginia humor a few might have heard of before. With just 350 days left in office Northam has nothing to lose. He could muscle the schools to reopen. But I don’t think he will. It will be left up to the individual school boards. But they cannot come to a consensus on what to do. The heat is not high enough yet to reopen. By the time it comes Memorial Day will be in sight. There is a complete vacuum of leadership on the direction that should be taken.

    2. djrippert Avatar

      Good for Chap. He’s the only Virginia politician I ever gave money.

      Meanwhile, in Chicago, the teachers’ union voted to refuse in-person work defying the reopening plan.

      And Virginia lib-twits like Ralph “The Grim Reaper of COVID” Northam thinks our teachers should be able to unionize.

      Richmond has been overrun by idiots.

      https://chicago.suntimes.com/education/2021/1/24/22247280/chicago-teachers-union-votes-in-person-work-defy-chicago-public-schools-reopening-plan-strike

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Oh suck it up, DJ. 18 in a spate. Happens every year.
        https://www.statista.com/statistics/666791/states-with-highest-number-of-adolescent-suicidal-deaths-in-us/

        Las Vegas is the suicide capital of America.

  10. ksmith8953 Avatar
    ksmith8953

    This problem like the vaccines has been left up to local health departments and local school boards as the Governor doesn’t want to be blamed for suicides or lack of vaccines. So they give authority to another agency and blame them. Pathetic. These sub agencies have to follow state guidance that doesn’t exist as no one wants blame.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      Funny how Northam had no problem closing all the schools in the state last March. But reopening MUST be a local issue. Somebody please tell our dimbulb governor that he can’t run for a second term this Fall. Time for him to start doing the right thing.

      1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        I was taking of my muddy hiking boots in my garage yesterday when I was approached by two masked people collecting signatures for a recall of several Fairfax County School Board members for failing to bring kids back to class. I told them I didn’t have a dog in the fight anymore. They said its been fairly easy to get parents to sign.

        When Northam’s term is over, he can help the Vice President and Senator Hirono expand their campaign of religious bigotry. Northam can raise money by doing his blackface Michael Jackson impression. But fear not woke people, the Post will defend you irrespective of the facts.

  11. ksmith8953 Avatar
    ksmith8953

    This problem like the vaccines has been left up to local health departments and local school boards as the Governor doesn’t want to be blamed for suicides or lack of vaccines. So they give authority to another agency and blame them. Pathetic. These sub agencies have to follow state guidance that doesn’t exist as no one wants blame.

    1. djrippert Avatar

      Funny how Northam had no problem closing all the schools in the state last March. But reopening MUST be a local issue. Somebody please tell our dimbulb governor that he can’t run for a second term this Fall. Time for him to start doing the right thing.

      1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        I was taking of my muddy hiking boots in my garage yesterday when I was approached by two masked people collecting signatures for a recall of several Fairfax County School Board members for failing to bring kids back to class. I told them I didn’t have a dog in the fight anymore. They said its been fairly easy to get parents to sign.

        When Northam’s term is over, he can help the Vice President and Senator Hirono expand their campaign of religious bigotry. Northam can raise money by doing his blackface Michael Jackson impression. But fear not woke people, the Post will defend you irrespective of the facts.

  12. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    This reminds me. Gonna rain today. Think I’ll watch a movie and I have DVD of “Harold and Maude” — the ultimate growing up Republican movie.

    1. What a great movie. One of my all time favorites. I love the Jaguar hearse.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Would have given my eye teeth for that car… and the rest of them to have known Ruth Gordon when she was, oh, let’s say 28.

        1. Same here. On both counts.

  13. SuburbanWoman Avatar
    SuburbanWoman

    In March the Governor closed Virginia schools. In the following months guidance was limited and often messages mixed (masks, number of people allowed indoors). Schools struggled to hold graduations, to finish up the school year, feed students per federal guidance, and figure out how to educate students. By June this had become a Democrat/Republican, parent v schools, teachers v administrators and local school boards struggled to make decisions.
    Now it seems everyone wants students in school however school looks VERY different due to mitigation requirements. Students are often sitting in school on laptops all day, no paper assignments, wearing masks, not socializing or doing so in a very limited manner, no free play in PreK because everything would need a deep clean, physical education is limited due to use of gymnasiums for lunch or classroom space and lunch is a walk down the hall and return to the room to eat at a desk. Exercise and movement are minimal and we know children need both in order to learn. What are we doing?
    Teachers are frustrated, students are frustrated, parents are frustrated and we have no end in sight.
    Are the students better off in the school building or at home? I don’t know but parents need to see what ” school” looks like with pandemic restrictions.

  14. SuburbanWoman Avatar
    SuburbanWoman

    I should add – many “open” school divisions continue to have 30% of students participating virtually and teachers are providing instruction both virtually and in person during a school day. They are struggling to keep up. A few divisions got it right by designating “virtual” teachers but many others refuse. Teachers want to work but they need support from local school boards and often top heavy central offices. ( let the arguments begin)

  15. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Not that anyone bothered to look but Las Vegas had 27 teen suicides in 2018 and somewhere around 13 in 2017.

    So is 18 since, what, last April so far out of align that it just has to be Kerry’s hair on fire, er, I meant school closures.

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/life/health/suicide-rate-for-nevada-children-teens-nearly-doubled-in-2018-1619128/

    Some reporter, huh?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      geeze NN… Shocking that Kerry would latch on to something that pathetic as a political point, eh?

      I guess the number of teen suicides in Virginia did’t fit the preferred narrative?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        I guess not. But, we know Kerry, eh?

        My daughter knew (friends of friends) two girls who committed suicide, one in Kerry’s backyard of VB.

        It is a time of devastation for family, but it was, and should be, a time of extreme concern for the parents of friends of the deceased. Kids are weird. The wiring isn’t right, and you really do have to worry about copycat behaviour. The peer thing, ya know. After each case, we had long discussions with the child unit.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Actually Larry, suicide among teens in Nevada is DOWN in the pandemic. Maybe they should shutter all in-person school in that state. Clearly, school is killing kids.

  16. LarrytheG Avatar

    You mean Kerry did not mention that?

    geeze. I thought she was making a point?

  17. SuburbanWoman Avatar
    SuburbanWoman

    In March the Governor closed Virginia schools. In the following months guidance was limited and often messages mixed (masks, number of people allowed indoors). Schools struggled to hold graduations, to finish up the school year, feed students per federal guidance, and figure out how to educate students. By June this had become a Democrat/Republican, parent v schools, teachers v administrators and local school boards struggled to make decisions.
    Now it seems everyone wants students in school however school looks VERY different due to mitigation requirements. Students are often sitting in school on laptops all day, no paper assignments, wearing masks, not socializing or doing so in a very limited manner, no free play in PreK because everything would need a deep clean, physical education is limited due to use of gymnasiums for lunch or classroom space and lunch is a walk down the hall and return to the room to eat at a desk. Exercise and movement are minimal and we know children need both in order to learn. What are we doing?
    Teachers are frustrated, students are frustrated, parents are frustrated and we have no end in sight.
    Are the students better off in the school building or at home? I don’t know but parents need to see what ” school” looks like with pandemic restrictions.

  18. SuburbanWoman Avatar
    SuburbanWoman

    I should add – many “open” school divisions continue to have 30% of students participating virtually and teachers are providing instruction both virtually and in person during a school day. They are struggling to keep up. A few divisions got it right by designating “virtual” teachers but many others refuse. Teachers want to work but they need support from local school boards and often top heavy central offices. ( let the arguments begin)

  19. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    Not that anyone bothered to look but Las Vegas had 27 teen suicides in 2018 and somewhere around 13 in 2017.

    So is 18 since, what, last April so far out of align that it just has to be Kerry’s hair on fire, er, I meant school closures.

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/life/health/suicide-rate-for-nevada-children-teens-nearly-doubled-in-2018-1619128/

    Some reporter, huh?

    1. LarrytheG Avatar

      geeze NN… Shocking that Kerry would latch on to something that pathetic as a political point, eh?

      I guess the number of teen suicides in Virginia did’t fit the preferred narrative?

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        I guess not. But, we know Kerry, eh?

        My daughter knew (friends of friends) two girls who committed suicide, one in Kerry’s backyard of VB.

        It is a time of devastation for family, but it was, and should be, a time of extreme concern for the parents of friends of the deceased. Kids are weird. The wiring isn’t right, and you really do have to worry about copycat behaviour. The peer thing, ya know. After each case, we had long discussions with the child unit.

      2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Actually Larry, suicide among teens in Nevada is DOWN in the pandemic. Maybe they should shutter all in-person school in that state. Clearly, school is killing kids.

  20. LarrytheG Avatar

    You mean Kerry did not mention that?

    geeze. I thought she was making a point?

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