Is It One Hour Back or One Hour Forward?

Sen. Richard Stuart, R-King George. Photo credit: Richmond Times-Dispatch

by Dick Hall-Sizemore

The Virginia General Assembly debates a lot of important bills. Nevertheless, most residents of the Commonwealth probably do not feel most of these bills affect them personally and do not have an opinion one way or the other.

However, occasionally, the legislators will take up a bill that is simple, affects everyone, and about which nearly everyone has an opinion. On Tuesday, the Virginia Senate considered such a bill. It dealt with that foolish requirement to change our clocks by one hour twice a year.

Sen. Richard Stuart (R-King George) had SB 1017, which would have made daylight saving time in effect all year in the Commonwealth. It was contingent upon Congress authorizing states to do so. In explaining his motivation for introducing the bill, he said that, quite frankly, he is tired of having to change his clocks twice a year. He realized that there is a division among folks as to whether it should be standard time or daylight saving time. He said that he likes to have an extra hour of daylight when he gets home from work, so he chose that approach. He went on to point out that there is a consensus in the medical profession that changing the times twice a year has significant medical consequences.

There was considerable debate on the Senate floor. The opposition came from Democrats. They did not oppose the general idea of having one time frame all year. They were worried about the consequences of surrounding states not following suit. Sen. Chap Petersen (D-Fairfax) provided a hypothetical example of his having a court appearance in Fairfax in mid-morning, one in D.C. in early afternoon, and one in Maryland in late afternoon. If all three jurisdictions were not using the same time framework, it would be almost impossible for his executive assistant to ensure that he was in the right place at the right time. (Sen. Stuart replied that he thought Sen. Petersen was underestimating the ability of his executive assistant.)

Other Democrats weighed in with other hypothetical examples. They all agreed that it made sense to use one time frame for the entire year, rather than changing twice a year. However, they declared that Congress should be the one to mandate the change in order to ensure uniformity among the states. (The U.S. Senate agreed unanimously last year to make daylight saving time permanent year round, but the House failed to report the bill out of committee for a floor vote.)

Republicans replied to the Democratic criticisms by saying that most of their constituents liked daylight saving time and did not want to have to change back and forth. They also contended the problems raised by Democrats were overblown.

Arizona opted not to adopt daylight saving time and, thus, for a large part of the year is out of sync with its neighbors. Somehow, it has managed to survive. No one in the Senate brought that up. Of course, Arizona does not have a section of its territory home to a large legal and business community bordering a similar community in another state.

The bill failed, 18-21, in a vote largely along party lines. Three Democrats voted for it; Barker (Fairfax), Locke (Hampton), and Surovell (Fairfax). Two Republicans joined Democrats in opposing it:  Hanger (Augusta) and Ruff (Mecklenburg).


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23 responses to “Is It One Hour Back or One Hour Forward?”

  1. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead

    Before 2006 Indiana did not observe DST. Now they do. I remember my visit years ago was confusing to my pocket watch. Not sure what Petersen was complaining about. Washington DC is currently on Byden Time.

    1. James McCarthy Avatar
      James McCarthy

      Petersen should simply Biden his time for a majority.

      1. But:

        “Time and tide wait for no man.”
        – Geoffrey Chaucer

  2. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Sundials. We need sundials.

    At one hour per 15 degrees longitude, Virginia is ~40 minutes sun time from the eastern most part of the Eastern Shore (75W) to the iddy-biddy tip out there in the west.

    Thus when it is noon in Greenwich, a very close alignment would be just about GMT-5.5 hours somewhere around west of Waynesboro.

    Using GMT-5.5 for the entire state means that the Sun would be just past overhead at noon on the Eastern Shore and just before overhead at noon in Wise.

    However, in honor of Thomas Jefferson, the Sun should be straight overhead at noon on the grounds of Monticello and would be if our Time Zone were GMT-5.23 hrs.

    The Virginia Time Zone shall be GMT-5.23 hrs. All the other States can pound sand.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      This sounds impressive, but I thought Standard Time is based on GMT. So, I assume that you are advocating that we abandon both EST and EDT and establish Virginia Time, based on your calculations. I like it!

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        If you liked that, get a load of this.

        In addition to Virginia Time, I offer the following: Virginia Seasonal Adjustments. The Virginia Calendar shall be 20 days for the months from November to April, 45 days for May to September, and 10 days in October.

        The benefits are obvious. Fewer winter days means fuel savings from fewer heating days. This clearly obviates the need for more NG pipelines. And who wouldn’t want a longer summer?

        I really advocate for eliminating DST, and longitudinal time zones regardless of State borders. If we want to center more land mass around a particular time then move the whole continental zones +/- 30 minutes and leave it fixed.

        Another alternative is to use meridian state boundaries. If we can have a North and South Carolina, we can have an East and West Pennsylvania.

        1. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          Oh, and 😁

        2. Eric the half a troll Avatar
          Eric the half a troll

          Youse guys think there is no East and West Pennsylvania….??

          1. DJRippert Avatar

            There certainly is a central Pennsylvania, well known as Pennsyltucky.

  3. Switching times twice a year is indeed a stupid idea. DST needs to be abolished. The only thing stupider, however, is creating a patchwork that varies state by state. This is one of those rare issues that really should be addressed at the federal level.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      I agree. However, Congress could not do it when one party was in the majority in both houses. When the split now place, I doubt if the two houses could even agree on whether it was raining outside.

    2. Teddy007 Avatar

      All that would happen is business would begin to shift their opening and closing times. No one wants the sun to come up at 05:00 AM and no one wants children walking to school in the dark or getting off the bus after school in the dark. Get over it.

      1. I want the sun to come up a 5:00 a.m.

        1. Teddy007 Avatar

          One of the few. For most people, an early sunrise is just wasted sunlight. Why not move the sunlight to after the normal work day instead of before the normal work day.

        2. Nancy Naive Avatar
          Nancy Naive

          That’s because you can just put your good eye in the pillow…

          1. True. But even more importantly, I enjoy early morning high-speed motorcycle rides. And they are a lot safer when it is not dark outside.

          2. Nancy Naive Avatar
            Nancy Naive

            And Oscar Grope’s asleep with his car in the garage.

          3. A big 10-4 on that, good buddy…

        3. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          Well, in Northern Virginia, you might have to leave at 5am if you want to be at work by 8am.

    3. James Wyatt Whitehead Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead

      Congress cannot balance a checkbook. What makes you think they can set a watch to the correct time?

  4. Randy Huffman Avatar
    Randy Huffman

    A lot of people including Jim and Dick think changing clocks twice a year is stupid and too much work. I can think of a lot of things in life that are more difficult than changing your clock twice a year, so I don’t think that is a very persuasive argument.

    I did ponder when days were the shortest, what it would be like to have DST year round. In standard time here in Charlottesville, the sun comes out a little after 7. If we want DST year round, are we ready for it to be dark until 8 AM? What about school children getting on buses, or those who work outdoors who normally start their day at 7:30 or 8 AM? On the flip side, during DST, the sun is up by 5:30 AM in the summer, are we prepared to have the sun come up at 4:30 AM if we stick to standard time, and then lose that extra hour of day in the evening?

    Some are saying Arizona is doing just fine, but remember time changes are different for southern states versus far north. Yes, Virginia is in the middle, but there is a big difference between Arizona and Michigan.

    If we go to one time, I bet we follow suit with Indiana, and go back in short order, once people start to realize changing clocks twice a year is no big deal and worth it.

  5. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
    f/k/a_tmtfairfax

    In 1965, my hometown of St. Paul, MN went on Daylight Saving Time on May 9, along with most of the rest of the U.S. Minneapolis decided to follow state law that instituted DST on May 23. So did much of the rest of Minnesota. It was bizarre and very confusing.

    https://www.startribune.com/may-10-1965-minneapolis-falls-an-hour-behind-st-paul/371419821/

    I also remember when Congress passed, and President Nixon signed a bill making DST mandatory year-round back in 1973. The law was later repealed because of the many problems and accidents among kids going to school and people going to work in the dark when it started in January 1974. Civil Procedure was bad enough at 8 am without trudging through the snow piles and slippery sidewalks in the dark.

  6. As with pronouns, each individual must be free to choose the time zone with which he/she most closely identifies.

    My time zone is Zulu, and my pronouns are “y’all” and “that”.

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