Is a Séance with Yogi Berra Dominion’s Source of Insight?

by Bill O’Keefe

According to lore, Yogi Berra is supposed to have said, “In theory there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice there is.”

Dominion must have had a séance with Yogi and just learned that piece of wisdom because until its latest filing with the SCC it maintained that it would build its giant offshore windfarm for $9.8 billion while also getting to zero emissions by 2045. Now it is fessing up to that being a pipe dream. Until the recent switch, Dominion gave every indication of supporting the Virginia Clean Economy Act’s  goal of zero emissions by 2045.  Its latest submission to the SCC reverses course.

In its recent submission, Dominion stated, “Due to an increasing load forecast, and the need for dispatchable generation, the Alternative Plans show additional natural-gas-fired resources and preserve existing carbon-emitting units beyond statutory retirement deadlines established in the VCEA.” Its new demand estimate comes from PJM, the regional grid operator that Dominion is required to use. Its earlier rosy scenario proves that analyses can be constructed to produce whatever answer you want. In this case, Dominion saw a way to increase its profits by gaming the VCEA, at least until it began to look like Democrats might lose this year’s election and with it the VCEA mandates.

Similar projects on the East Coast have been confronted by demands for larger subsidies by offshore developers like Orsted or outright contract cancellation. On Monday, Avangrid, a subsidiary of the Spanish utility Iberdrola, announced that it was abandoning the 804-megawatt Park City Wind project offshore Connecticut because it has become unfinanceable.

Inflation, supply chain issues, and turbine blade integrity have all played a role. Over the past four years, costs have risen more than 30% with no end in sight. That is in contrast to predictions of steadily declining costs. Clearly Dominion engaged in a lot of best-case planning in its initial plan to build 176 wind turbines 27 miles off of the Virginia coast.

The Virginia picture is even worse given the European experience with offshore wind power. The basic assumption of declining costs resulting from economies of scale has proven to be an illusion. Just the opposite has taken place. Over the past decade, Europe has seen that the performance of its wind turbines rapidly degrades, about an average of 4+% annually. As output declines and maintenance costs increase, developers have to turn to the government and rate payers for more money. The alternative would be to decommission wind operations and incur high decommissioning costs.

Under-performance and cost overruns should not come as a surprise. The Peterson Institute recently published a study of 50 years of American Industrial policy. It concluded that while there were some successes, programs to promote particular industries were costly failures.

Politicians who write legislation like the VCEA are influenced by colleagues, staff, lobbyists, and other special interests. As a result, what is passed usually involves enough compromises to get enough votes to pass; not a plan that reflects technical realities and the host of uncertainties that have to be dealt with over a long period of time. It is the difference between planning a two-week cruise, which is easy, and telling Admiral Peary to find the North Pole in less than one year. It took him eight tries and 23 years.

The late Senator William Proxmire, known for fighting against pork in federal budgets and regularly giving out the Golden Fleece Award, observed, “An inherent feature of all interventionist industrial policies is government money will go where the political power is. …  Government controls always accompany subsidies. … This usually leads to requests for even more corporate welfare… As history has shown, an interventionist industrial policy… is a recipe for economic stagnation and decline.”

In addition to political, economic, and innovation forces confronting the windfarm project, there are internal problems that are created when a firm that excels in executing a process like generating electrical power has to simultaneously become innovative in its thinking and operation. Developing its windfarm involves dealing with uncertainty, complexity, and ambiguity.

Innovation is about solving problems and there are many ways of doing so. Picking the right path is not easy, even though once an organization has chosen a path, it will act as if it is the best one. Overcoming organizational inertia is one of the biggest challenges an organization like Dominion faces in making a major shift from baseload power generation to an alternative like wind.

Dominion is organized to deliver predictable, reliable results, which leads to a paradox. The systems that have made its success continuously possible reinforce behaviors that are probably inconsistent with the innovative systems that have been mandated to meet a specific deadline.

Bill O’Keefe is a former executive vice president of the American Petroleum Institute and the founder of Solutions Consulting.


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35 responses to “Is a Séance with Yogi Berra Dominion’s Source of Insight?”

  1. Ronnie Chappell Avatar
    Ronnie Chappell

    Nicely done.

  2. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    To critics who pointed out all his failed attempts to develop the light bulb, Thomas Edison replied, “I have not failed. I’ve just found ten thousand ways that don’t work.”

    In any new major enterprise, unexpected obstacles or circumstances arise that dictate changes in assumptions. Goals often need to be modified according to those circumstances, but there needs to be a goal. The statutory deadline for carbon neutrality can be moved without changing the nature of the overall goal.

    1. DJRippert Avatar
      DJRippert

      Thomas Edison was not able to bill his customers for cost + profit on his failed light bulbs.

      If Dominion wants to play games, the risk of failure should be on the shareholders, not the ratepayers.

      1. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        Edison also didn’t invent the lightbulb, but rather built on others ideas.

        Also, he wasn’t a very nice person, he stole ideas, patented them and tried to (successfully) ruined his competitions name.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Dominion will sell polka-dot kumquats if they are allowed to make a good profit on them. They are totally agnostic as long as it benefits their shareholders.

        https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4abc69689449c523f4bb68c055c1e0ddf7acede3ac66dc04e26d6c6592415ca2.png

      3. Matt Adams Avatar
        Matt Adams

        Edison also didn’t invent the lightbulb, but rather built on others ideas.

        Also, he wasn’t a very nice person, he stole ideas, patented them and tried to (successfully) ruined his competitions name.

      4. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
        Dick Hall-Sizemore

        Good point and I agree.

  3. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/4d0fb1cae57c86452ad553ec37cc096d35458695a801e129f8c37983fe6625f3.png

    ” The machines, from afar, look like pinwheels. But up close, they’re enormous: each almost as tall as the Eiffel Tower, above and below the waterline, and weighing 12,000 tons, equal to 60 Boeing 747s.

    They are held in place by some of the heftiest chains ever crafted, attached to the sea floor by “suction anchors” that burrow into the sand — exhaling and inhaling air — like something out of a sci-fi novel.”

    “The turbines rise, dip and sway in the swell. They are slim, elegant and a little scary.

    As we passed, the sweeping blades — each 265 feet long — appeared to be rotating slowly, purposefully, in the light air. But looks can be deceiving: The blades travel at 180 mph. A single turn provides enough electricity to power one Norwegian house for a day. The blades rotate 10 to 15 times a minute; there are 1,440 minutes in a day, 525,600 minutes in a year …

    This floating wind farm won’t supply electricity to shore but instead will provide 35 percent of the annual electricity power demand — about 88 megawatts — for five offshore oil platforms, which use large amounts of energy to separate oil, gas and water from the wells.”

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-solutions/2023/09/25/floating-offshore-wind-energy-norway/

    1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      We don’t need floating style on East Coast as we have continental shelf.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Was not suggesting it. Just showing that the technology does exist and is being used and apparently is cheaper than fossil fuels for where they are being built!

    2. FYI – If the blade length claimed in the article is correct, then at 15 rpm the speed at the blade tip is more like 280 mph than 180 mph. Even at 10 rpm the tip speed will be closer to 190 than it is to 180.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I had not noticed… 180 sounded fast enough for me! These things are monsters!

        1. It might be fun to see video of a rogue wave hitting one of those blades.

    3. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Big solar panels in orbit and beam the energy down. https://www.space.com/space-solar-power-satellite-beams-energy-1st-time

      Sunrise, sunset…. Oh wait, no. Neither.

  4. Stephen Haner Avatar
    Stephen Haner

    As I’ve noted before, earlier IPR filings from Dominion were highly skeptical that any “net zero” generation mix would also prove to be reliable. But yes, this most recent filing made it patent that dream was never going to be reality. And it never will unless the nuclear side really grows. Dominion still has not “fessed up” to the under $10 billion price tag being another “pipedream” but time will tell. Duke Power in NC took a pass on building offshore wind and in five years the gap in electricity prices VA vs. NC will be as big a deal as the gap in taxes.

    The pending IRP case and the related review of Dominion’s rates are still percolating down at the SCC. Anything big pops I’ll let try to let you know, but it may be after the election before much more important data shows up.

  5. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    One could do worse than Yogi Berra.

    1. “You’ve got to be very careful if you don’t know where you are going, because you might not get there.”

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        I was thinking of his rival. “We’re overpaying him, but he’s worth it.”
        https://www.telegram.com/story/opinion/columns/guest/2015/10/08/al-southwick-masters-of-malaprops/12039232007/

      2. William O'Keefe Avatar
        William O’Keefe

        or end up someplace else.

  6. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Dominion stock down -3% just today, almost down to $40 vs. $70 a year ago, reflecting loss of trust in the liberal green new direction (previously under CEO Farrell, Dominion had special extra value).

    The cost-effectiveness of green energy, with large capital outlays, needs interest rates to be zero (it turns out). Also why own “D” if TBills are paying 5+% interest?

    I saw a good review article on Seeking Alpha
    but now it is behind a paywall: dominion-energy-fairly-valued-after-losing-valuation-premium

    One commenter said he dumped his D stock and he is sure glad he does not live in their coverage territory due to high future utility costs due to the offshore wind gambit. Not a fair comment, I was thinking!

    Another commenter (not sure if same article) noted due to the sensitivity of the cost, we will probably not hear the truth as the project progresses.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      Here’s the thing. Nukes cost quite a bit more than other kinds of energy and gas has zero guarantees that it won’t get a lot more costly. In fact, we’re exporting it to folks willing to pay a lot more for it than we are.

      Electricity could easily cost more without anything at all done for wind/solar….

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        Yes of course because US utilities are a monopoly we pay for huge projects as captive audience. State elected officials have $$$ in their eyes.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          So if Dom proposes a new Nuke that would actually cost as much or more than the wind farm, State Officials will be okay with it if they get campaign dollars?

  7. Eric the half a troll Avatar
    Eric the half a troll

    The addition of new natural gas generation to Dominion’s Alternative Plans is due to increase in projected demand and does not mean they are moving away from supporting the Virginia Clean Economy Act’s goals. New wind, solar, battery storage, etc are still in the plans. The increase in demand is largely due to the increase in data centers and other large scale users. Those applauding the increases in both demand and generation might want to take a peek at Dominion’s plans for new and upgraded transmission lines… and hope they aren’t in their backyards.

    Idea… maybe we need to start saying no to data center addictions…

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      The increase in demand… say for data centers… where activities that take place over the web replace some that were done physically before.

      A zoom meeting with 10-15 people replaces 10-15 auto trips. So , yes, there is an energy “cost” for doing it online but it is a fraction of the cost for in-person. Not to mention that emissions from natural gas are 1/2 what they are for gasoline in autos.

      1. Eric the half a troll Avatar
        Eric the half a troll

        So hypothetically an improvement. In reality is gasoline consumption dropping in relation to electric energy use age? Data centers are serious energy hogs and it is not clear to me that they represent a net decrease of any kind.

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          An interesting choice of forum to attack the digital industries… 🙂

        2. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          One would have to be a real cynic to think there is no real need for the data centers! It would be not unlike those that oppose upgrades to the electric transmission system!

          When you have a phone, virtually EVERYTHING you do on that phone these days involves the internet… that’s why the data centers are needed.

    2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
      energyNOW_Fan

      We Virginia give enormous discount to commercial electric users. Need to let all users purchase their own electric, like Pa. Then they can build a 3rd party nat gas or buy much cheaper on-shore wind sourced from PA/MD/WV. We have our heads stuck in the monopoly system that says Dominion has to own everything, and everything we do has to be made in Virginia, and re: wind alls we have is ultra expensive offshore wind, untested in the scale we want to build.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        are we, in effect, subsidizing the commercial?

  8. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
    energyNOW_Fan

    Virginia’s cost formula calls for shifting cost burden to residents, whereas we give really huge discount to commercial users. In the future, Dems also want to shelter lower incomes (say the lower 75% of tax base) from the high costs Dems demand we pay for green projects. So we end up with a small segment of Virginia that Dems feel should pay the price. Tiered system, but hard to imagine middle class not getting slammed. Slamming the middle class (excepting for military exclusion) is the Virginia Way.

    Meanwhile in this scenario, Dominion may have hard time charging $$$ quite as much for power as they need to keep dividends high.

    Implies states and Feds need to have more joint power projects to share risks. Get out of the mandated monopoly mindset.

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      I’m with REC, a coop. Same thing happens with them?

      1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        Not sure Larry how that works…ideally the coop can be like Wash DC and bargain for source of power. I am thinking DC bought relatively cheap Pa. onshore wind contract.

      2. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
        energyNOW_Fan

        Not sure Larry how that works…ideally the coop can be like Wash DC and bargain for source of power. I am thinking DC bought relatively cheap Pa. onshore wind contract.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          we’re more expensive than Dominion…pretty sure

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