By Steve Haner

This is progress. Only twenty members of the Virginia Senate voted Tuesday to ignore a key tenet of utility ratemaking and put utility stockholders and profits ahead of consumer protection. Usually when the utilities persuade the General Assembly to do that to Virginia consumers, they get a bigger vote margin than 20-16.*

Senate Bill 454 allows Virginia’s two monopoly electricity providers to spend undetermined millions of dollars on planning and developing small modular nuclear reactor projects and get it all paid by consumers, with a profit margin. But there is no guarantee any such plants will ever be built, and no other power plants built in Virginia have gotten this kind of up-front financial guarantee before the State Corporation Commission ruled them in the public interest.

Senate Majority Leader Scott Surovell, D-Fairfax, assured his fellow senators that the State Corporation Commission would retain the full power to say yea or nay on this idea. “We’ve given the SCC complete discretion,” he said.

Surovell is now the legislature’s energy czar, chairing the newly reinvigorated joint Commission on Electric Utility Regulation. Perhaps he doesn’t understand exactly what the bill does and doesn’t do. If he is fully aware, he misspoke.

The bill (text here) gives the SCC discretion to decide which of the development costs are reasonable and prudent, which might be a bill from an engineering firm, the cost of reviewing designs, site surveys, or the staff time spent on preparing a federal application. Gold-plating of those bills can be stopped. But the SCC will be unclear as to whether it can say no to the whole shooting match.

If you want the bill to give the SCC the full power to say no to doing this at all, then I propose the following amendment:

Nothing in this section shall limit the Commission’s discretion to determine if recovering such project costs from ratepayers without a project approval pursuant to subsection D of §56-580 is reasonable, prudent and in the public interest.

That might alleviate concerns that the bill is just about the money, as was a similar bill in 2014 dealing with the development costs of North Anna 3 (detailed here.) That nuclear facility was never built. Some of us think the utility knew up front it wasn’t going to be built and may have that outcome in mind now.

A House bill allows charging customers for advance funding for an unapproved SMR for Appalachian Power Company in Western Virginia, but not for Dominion. It received a stronger positive vote on passage. Merging the two bills into one will be the focus of intense lobbying now. An amendment to reinforce the SCC’s full authority is in order on the House bill, too.

A year ago, the Assembly got the same assurances that the SCC would remain free to say yes or no on another regulatory innovation that added costs to consumers. Legislators were told that Dominion Energy Virginia’s proposal to pay off $1.2 billion in fuel costs over multiple years, with compound interest in the hundreds of millions, was not being dictated by the Assembly when it passed enabling legislation.

But many legislators who voted for the bill then showed up at the SCC and testified in favor of the bonding program. Dominion was free to argue in court that the Assembly had endorsed the approach. Yes, the SCC could have chosen to impose all the unpaid costs on one year’s bills and exploded the rates for that year, but the pressure not to was intense.

In that case, not collecting the money at all was never an option. In this case, not moving forward with an SMR development project at all is a valid option. If the message from the Assembly now is, “we want the SCC to decide if this is a good idea,” make it clear in the bill text and make it clear in the House debate.

Otherwise, the message in this bill from the Assembly to the SCC is, we want you to do this. We are so fond of the SMR idea, we want you to gamble the ratepayer’s money. That is exactly how the utilities will frame this when the case is before the SCC, as a policy decision by the legislature.

Below is the heart of the bill as it now reads. Where does it say the SCC can say no? It just says the SCC can review and approve the various items of cost.

Such utilities may petition the Commission for SMR project development cost recovery along separate development phases and, if the Commission determines such projected or actual project costs to be reasonable and prudent, any such project costs may be recovered by such utilities on a timely and current basis from customers prior to any approval pursuant to subsection D of § 56-580 or the commercial operation date of any such SMR facility.

Also this:

Nothing in this section shall limit the Commission’s discretion to determine whether the proposed SMR project development costs are reasonable and prudent.

So, it would be simple to slip in that sentence proposed above. The law should be clear that the SCC can and must decide based on sworn testimony whether putting the cart of costs before the horse of a full approval process is “in the public interest.”

If (when) the amendment is dismissed and resisted, perhaps a few more of the legislators will wake up to what is going on.

* Senator Lashrecse Aird, D-Petersburg, voted aye but then informed the clerk she intended to vote nay. That would have made it 19-17, so less than half the Senate actually voted for this bill. But it passed. She could have moved to reconsider the first vote, but didn’t. The four senators who “took a walk” were the key to passage. 


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79 responses to “If Assembly Wants SMR Bill, Then Fix It”

  1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
    Kathleen Smith

    So Aird’s vote was counted as a yes? I am glad you are keeping up with this legislation. The language in quite a few bills has been questionable. I think this one had intent behind it.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Without a motion to reconsider and a second roll call, the first is the one that counts. There are few “accidents” on key votes in that body.

      1. Kathleen Smith Avatar
        Kathleen Smith

        Then it probably wasn’t an accident.

      2. Stephen Haner Avatar
        Stephen Haner

        LATE NOTE. I had to update the original post. There is a House bill I lost track of, one that covers only Appalachian Power. This is what comes of me trying to do this without going down to the Capitol…but the main point of the post remains valid.

  2. LarrytheG Avatar

    Does this have legs because it’s yet another way the utilities want to line their pockets or is there also support for SMR nukes in general?

    For years, the “news” has been that SMRs were real and would soon reach a stage where they would be deployed, and all this talk
    about renewables would go away.

    Traditional Nukes are subsidized and so has the development of SMRs and the heck of it is that what’s stopped them is their operating costs which are far higher than originally thought and not cheaper than gas.

    My impression has beeen that advocacy for SMRs has been more from the pro-nuclear crowd than the climate folks and not sure how that translates into politics in the GA.

    I see Dems in the “nay” column that I thought might support the “clean power” idea but apparently not this particular proposal. Might be interesting to know their positions.

    If evolving battery technology advances further, it may well doom SMRs if intermittent renewable power can be stored and used later.

    1. The only way nuclear makes sense is with a carbon tax that will have to be set high.

    2. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Larry, I think there is enthusiasm for SMRs and a recognition among many anti fossil fuel advocates that nuclear is needed. But this idea of hitting ratepayers with all these costs “on spec” is incredibly short sighted. Not so much the utilities being greedy as the utilities saying, you want this? Don’t expect us to pay! Put the risk on them!

      No, battery plants will never eliminate the need for substantial, reliable, dispatchable baseload. But the debate of SMR’s versus industrial scale nuke plants will continue. Economies of scale will likely point to the bigger plants.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Does Dom put the cost of new gas plants and utility solar on ratepayers?

        1. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
          f/k/a_tmtfairfax

          Traditional public utility law allows the investment in new plant in the rate base when it goes into service. Until then, the utility receives an Allowance for Funds Used During Construction (AFDUC), as discussed in an earlier post.

          1. Stephen Haner Avatar
            Stephen Haner

            But the practice now is to use a rate adjustment clause, and keep the plants OUT of the rate base.

          2. Matt Adams Avatar

            Why would Dominion want their skin in the game, when they can put your skin in the game and keep their profits to themselves.

          3. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
            f/k/a_tmtfairfax

            Another example of how Virginia regulatory law is screwed up. Does anyone in the General Assembly on either side of the aisle know anything about traditional public utilities /common carrier law?

          4. Matt Adams Avatar

            They most certainly do, but operating that way doesn’t stuff their pockets.

      2. I thought one of the attractions of small modular nuclear plants was that they could be factory built, trucked in and quickly operating on site where needed. That seemed to be the argument for them and against long lead time large plants and the economies of scale they could bring. Is that wrong?

  3. LarrytheG Avatar

    For all the uproar over Dominion rates, ApCO has far outdone Dominion and now charges some of the highest rates in Virginia and ApCo customers are feeling the pain.

    And apparently some of the increase is due to fuel which doesn’t make any sense to me if one believes that Western Va and West Virgina are uber rich in coal and gas.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      APCo did not defer the 2022-23 fuel costs the way Dominion did, but spread them out a bit. So a bit more up front, less over time. Dominion is now going to issue 7.25 year bonds at 5% and start charging its customers $3.08 per 1ooo kwh over those 7+ years. For fuel burned long ago. That’s more expensive in the long run. APCo remains highly reliant on coal and if the war on coal goes as planned, it needs way more baseload and nuclear is an option.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Good point about DOm “spreading it out” on fuel already used.

        But what fuel was more expensive, GAS?

        Gas? BFD about gas pipelines from WVA to Va? I would think APCO would / could easily be even ore gas powered than Dominion.

        Has the cost of gas gone up ?

        looks like the opposite so what fuel prices have increased that has resulted in fuel adjustments?

      2. f/k/a_tmtfairfax Avatar
        f/k/a_tmtfairfax

        Another deviation from standard utility law — the matching principle. Current ratepayers are to pay current expenses and not past ones. If Dominion’s fuel costs jumped, it should have been required to file a new rate case that included the higher costs. Of course, that would open all other aspects of its operations, including earnings to VSCC review.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          I think what is curious is that the “fuel” that Dom is using is primarily gas or so I thought.

          Were there spikes in the cost of natural gas that caused the fuel adjustments or what?

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    Utility scale solar might be going forward:

    ” By JUSTIN FAULCONER, News & Advance (Metered Paywall – 18 articles a month)

    The Virginia Senate Committee on Commerce and Labor on Feb. 9 carried over for a year a bill that could place siting approval of large-scale solar farm operations away from localities and into the purview of the State Corporation Commission. Sen. Creigh Deeds, D-Charlottesville, introduced Senate Bill 567, which would establish a procedure under which an electric utility or independent power provider, the applicant, is able to obtain approval for a certificate from the SCC for the siting of an energy facility rather than from the governing body of a locality.

    1. The next logical step is allowing “power providers” to condemn private property for their ‘utility scale solar projects’…

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        just like they can for all other utilities’ infrastructure?

        1. Stephen Haner Avatar
          Stephen Haner

          Yes, they already have the ability to seek eminent domain.

          1. Do they not need specific permission on a case by case basis?

            I understand that they have the ability to seek eminent domain, but the Commonwealth, water authorities, etc., have the power to initiate eminent domain proceeding without additional approval from anyone (following procedures outlined in state law, of course).

        2. Thanks Mr. Know-It-All, but “all other” utilities do not have the power of eminent domain. Some do, some don’t, and some have limited power.

  5. Surovell is now the legislature’s energy czar, chairing the newly reinvigorated joint Commission on Electric Utility Regulation

    That’s too bad. I used to have a relatively high opinion of him…

    …for a democrat. 😉

  6. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Yep, them upfront costs can be amazing. Rte. 460 expansion comes to mind.

    Ya gotta spend money to make money. Of course, OP money is the best kind to spend.

    ‘There’s nothing like doing things with other people’s money’

  7. William O'Keefe Avatar
    William O’Keefe

    If Dominion is serious about investing in SMRs, it should devote some of its lobbying muscle in getting the Nuclear Regulatory and Federal Energy Regulatory Commissions to streamline their processes which add significantly to costs.
    Nuclear can’t have a future unless the federal government creates a level playing field for it. Too much emphasis is placed on trying to drive risks as close to zero as possible without regard to costs or benefits. The SCC can use its authority to push Dominion.

  8. LarrytheG Avatar

    “Aaron Ruby, manager of media relations for Dominion, emphasized Tuesday that the bills would not allow the utilities to just begin charging customers.

    “It would simply allow us to seek approval from the SCC to recover SMR development costs at a later time. The decision would be entirely up to the SCC and would only be approved if the SCC determines the costs are reasonable, prudent and in the best interest of consumers,” he said in an email.

    Ruby noted that the legislation would help lay the groundwork for the necessary supply chain investments and incentivize businesses to locate or expand in Virginia. He added that it would promote stability in electric rates by allowing some cost recovery on the front end rather than backloading all the development costs late in the process.

    There are some differences between the two bills.

    O’Quinn said his House bill has significantly changed from its original version after input from environmental groups and discussion with the utilities.

    The House bill passed Tuesday without discussion in a 74-24 vote. It would apply only to Appalachian Power and would allow the utility to only collect, with approval of the SCC, costs related to the early site permitting process, O’Quinn said. The bill states that the costs would include evaluation, design, engineering, environmental analysis and permitting, land options and early site permitting. It would not include the costs to obtain construction permits, the cost of licenses required by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission, or construction costs other than those necessary for early site permitting.

    Larry Jackson with Appalachian Power said during a subcommittee hearing that the early site permitting process involves selecting a site and doing a “deep analysis” of whether it would be an appropriate location for a nuclear plant. He estimated the cost would be between $60 million and $100 million.

    In the future, if the utility determines that an SMR is not feasible, the SCC could require the utility to sell the site and return the proceeds to customers. That provision was questioned by legislators and opponents who said a sale was likely to net less than what ratepayers would have paid into the project.”

    ….


    “One of the things I’m concerned about now … is that we need to get in line here,” Marsden said during the full Senate session Tuesday. “This takes a long time to get through the federal process. … Dominion estimates that we’re really not going to be able to get one in place until 2034. And what I’m concerned about is if we don’t get started on this process when the technology and the safety and the cost all start to line up, then there will be competition for who gets these SMRs from other states who are ahead of us in this.”

    https://cardinalnews.org/2024/02/14/bills-that-would-open-the-door-for-utilities-to-charge-customers-for-nuclear-development-costs-advance-in-general-assembly/?utm_source=ActiveCampaign&utm_medium=email&utm_content=How+legislation+affecting+Southwest+Virginia+and+Southside+looks+halfway+through+the+session&utm_campaign=Monday%2C+January+15%2C+2024

    1. In the future, if the utility determines that an SMR is not feasible, the SCC could require the utility to sell the site and return the proceeds to customers.

      Could require, but won’t…

    2. And what I’m concerned about is if we don’t get started on this process when the technology and the safety and the cost all start to line up, then there will be competition for who gets these SMRs from other states who are ahead of us in this.”

      Well then get started. Who’s stopping you? Just keep your grubby hands out of my pockets.

  9. Highly respected lawyer acquaintance in southwest Virginia, coal country, where these mini-reactors are supposed to go says: NO! Put experimental nuclear technology at the heads of the watersheds for the entire region? Pleasant dream this self-circulating heat exchanger but what about calcium deposits blocking the pipes? Nuclear reactors want to blow up. They are trying to blow up, every hour of every day. What keeps it from happening is the coolant. You know what happens without coolant. Think Jimmie Carter in his little yellow booties at Three Mile Island. Or Chernobyl. Or a particular favorite, the technician impaled by control rods at the experimental small-scale reactor SL-1.

    1. Stephen Haner Avatar
      Stephen Haner

      Highly respected lawyer should stay in his lane. But the irrational, hysterical fear he displays and you share is why we’re in this fix, why this tech is so hard to license and why neither of these utilities will go out on a limb for a full approval process. Lucky you, you’ll have wind turbines that don’t work instead!

      Everybody ignores the safety record, world wide, of this tech in ships from multiple nations. Most have no idea how many of these reactors there are on a daily basis on the waterfronts in Norfolk and Newport News. Usually 10+.

      1. With deference, the Navy reactors are a different design. There was one nuclear powered commercial ship, the Savanah. Eisenhower intended it as a worldwide ambassador to showcase peaceful use of nuclear power. But: just a demonstrator project, neither enough passenger berths nor cargo space to pay for operating costs. And as a one-off it needed specialized maintenance. Cost of that could not be spread out across a whole fleet as shipping firms normally do. So after a decade or so of expensive operation, it was mothballed.

        This too is an experiment intended to showcase viability. This too will cost more than it can be expected to recoup.

        And as for it being risk-free, see below.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          It is not a good thing that the Navy reactors are apparently not economical for non-miltary ships or for land-based smaller nukes.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          It is not a good thing that the Navy reactors are apparently not economical for non-miltary ships or for land-based smaller nukes.

        3. Matt Adams Avatar

          “the Navy reactors are a different design. ”

          The Navy reactors are designed by the same exact people who design all other reactors. They are regulated by the AEC.

          Most cases (80%) it’s Bechtel.

          1. energyNOW_Fan Avatar
            energyNOW_Fan

            Bechtel Bettis? Used to be Westinghouse. My father worked there, he was a nuke engineer for the Navy subs and Shippingport first power plant. I think GE did the Tridents.

          2. Matt Adams Avatar

            I believe that Bettis bought Westinghouse Nuclear (becoming Bettis Atomic Labs) and then Bechtel bought them out. I had a boss once that worked for Westinghouse Nuke and also worked with a sub for to them.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            see the thing is those reactors cannot produce economically viable power anywhere near to what a utility would have to do with a regulated rate.

            That’s the problem in general with Nukes whether the older big ones or the SMRS.

            They cannot compete with gas – currently. If gas skyrockets , then they can but by that time, it would take years to get a plant online.

            I think this is why Dominion never went forward with NA3 or other Nukes, nor other utilities in general except for Vogtle:

            “Unit 3 entered commercial operation on July 31, becoming the first new nuclear unit built from scratch in the United States in decades. Some Florida and Alabama utilities have also contracted to buy Vogtle’s power. The overall project is seven years late and $17 billion over budget.”

            Is George Power going to be able to deliver industry competitive power to it’s customers?

            So the thing about “irrational fears” is just part of it. The bigger part that is the killer is that nukes are not economically competitive as long as gas is cheap.

    2. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      “but what about calcium deposits blocking the pipes”

      Presumably….they’d be smart enough to not use untreated well water for the coolant.

    3. You do realize don’t you that your “particular favorite”, the SL-1 experimental reactor accident, was more than 63 years ago and a screw up by one technician?

      Think there’s any chance we have learned anything about safely operating nuclear reactors from that and TMI and Chernobyl? Perhaps the absence of human caused nuclear power plant disasters since those almost 40 to more than 60 years ago is an indicator.

      Odd that you would choose someone’s death by being impaled as your “particular favorite”. Seems rather ghoulish.

      1. A particular favorite, because it was the same idea: a small scale reactor to power a single town. With exactly the same engineering: natural circulation for coolant .

        The mistake? The guy pulled out a control rod too far. As I said: reactors want to blow up. Given the opportunity, that one blew up in 4 milliseconds. Not enough time even to say “oops.”

        I personally would love to see small scale nuclear reactors that self-tend (or self-shut down) so nobody need worry about “oops.” This one ain’t.

        1. LarrytheG Avatar

          And I agree with Rafaelo on this. I initially was under the impression that SMRs would be auto-shut down if something went sideways.

          That would make them safe enough to not have to be sited at a North Anna site or similar. They could be scattered across the state.

          But if they are of the “they want to blow up” design, scattering them across the state would be a dumb idea.

          If you have to site them at a NA or Surry, what is the advantage of them being much smaller instead of the large economy size?

          If SMRs are not doomed, they’re headed that way IMO because they apparently cannot load-follow , vary output according to demand.

          All they are , are essentially mini-nukes with all the disadvantages and not any clear advantages.

          1. I initially was under the impression that SMRs would be auto-shut down if something went sideways.

            Just out of curiosity, who said they are not?

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            What Rafaelo was saying… I was under the impression that they could passively shut down but also load follow.

            .”The reactors also have control rods that will stop nuclear fission from occurring when released into the reactor core. These control rods hang above the reactor core. ”

            https://rpaengr.com/nuscale-small-module-reactors-an-interns-perspective/#:~:text=The%20reactors%20also%20have%20control,hang%20above%20the%20reactor%20core.

            I haven’t given up on them yet… they are more modern than the traditional but what has really hurt
            them more than the safety issues is that the predicted cost per killowatt hour is big.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            Would you be okay with using eminent domain for SMRs?

          4. LarrytheG Avatar

            What Rafaelo was saying… I was under the impression that they could passively shut down but also load follow.

            .”The reactors also have control rods that will stop nuclear fission from occurring when released into the reactor core. These control rods hang above the reactor core. ”

            https://rpaengr.com/nuscale-small-module-reactors-an-interns-perspective/#:~:text=The%20reactors%20also%20have%20control,hang%20above%20the%20reactor%20core.

            I haven’t given up on them yet… they are more modern than the traditional but what has really hurt
            them more than the safety issues is that the predicted cost per killowatt hour is big.

          5. LarrytheG Avatar

            ” X-energy was provided a five-year grant of up to $40 million, as part of the DOE’s Advanced Reactor Concept Cooperative Agreement”

            okay with that?

          6. I’m as okay with it as I am the $132 million the DOE spent in FY2023 subsidizing “wind energy technology”.

          7. LarrytheG Avatar

            subsidies for energy, yea or nay?

          8. Control rods vs. coolant, in a runaway nuclear reaction (regarding Japan’s Fukushima reactor accident) https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nuclear-energy-primer/

          9. LarrytheG Avatar

            so if you listen to Haner, the fear of this is “irrational”. This is one of those things that the more you know, the tougher it is on “rational”.

          10. An 11-year-old article?

          11. LarrytheG Avatar

            you think the subsidies are not real?

          12. LarrytheG Avatar

            “For its part, the federal government has coughed up grants totaling more than $175 million to five different SMR projects in Ontario, New Brunswick, and Saskatchewan. The Canada Infrastructure Bank loaned $970 million to Ontario Power Generation to develop its Darlington New Nuclear project. And the Canada Energy Regulator’s 2023 Canada’s Energy Future report envisioned a big expansion of nuclear energy based on wishful thinking and unrealistic assumptions about SMRs.”

            https://nbmediacoop.org/2023/11/23/big-costs-sink-flagship-nuclear-project-and-will-sink-future-small-modular-reactor-projects-too-commentary/

            okay with that?

            not “too” grubby? 😉

          13. What, exactly, is your point?

            Why should I care what the Canadian government doe with Canadian taxpayers’ money?

            And what the hell does it have to do with anything being discussed on this thread.

          14. LarrytheG Avatar

            subsidies for new technology energy. Yea or nay?

          15. LarrytheG Avatar

            “The government is going to spend billions of dollars to keep nuclear power plants open in the United States because they’re losing too much money to stay open otherwise.

            Nuclear power plants generate clean, greenhouse-gas free energy, which could help the Biden administration meet its own ambitious climate goal of reducing net greenhouse gas pollution by 50% from 2005 levels by 2030.

            The Bipartisan Infrastructure Law President Joe Biden signed in November includes a $6 billion program intended to preserve the existing U.S. fleet of nuclear power reactors. On Feb. 10, the Department of Energy’s Office Nuclear Energy took first steps to begin the process of distributing that money.

            That money is needed because multiple nuclear plants are “at risk for early closure” and several others “have already closed prematurely due to economic circumstances,” according to government documents.”

            https://www.cnbc.com/2022/02/17/the-us-is-spending-billions-to-keep-money-losing-nuclear-plants-open.html

            Are you okay with this?

          16. LarrytheG Avatar

            Would you be okay with using eminent domain for SMRs?

          17. It would depend on the circumstances.

        2. LarrytheG Avatar

          And I agree with Rafaelo on this. I initially was under the impression that SMRs would be auto-shut down if something went sideways.

          That would make them safe enough to not have to be sited at a North Anna site or similar. They could be scattered across the state.

          But if they are of the “they want to blow up” design, scattering them across the state would be a dumb idea.

          If you have to site them at a NA or Surry, what is the advantage of them being much smaller instead of the large economy size?

          If SMRs are not doomed, they’re headed that way IMO because they apparently cannot load-follow , vary output according to demand.

          All they are , are essentially mini-nukes with all the disadvantages and not any clear advantages.

        3. That one was in 1961, Corvairs weren’t safe at any speed back then either, but we don’t use them to condemn all automobiles today. The idea of dissing current reactors because a person in a research reactor in 1961 screwed up by manually pulling a control rod too far out is like dissing BR here on the web because Gutenberg had to make his press imprint by hand. What a goofball.

          1. RE: Corvair
            Add Front sway bar.
            Add Rear torsion bar (z-bar).
            Problem solved.

            😎

          2. RE: Corvair
            Add Front sway bar.
            Add Rear torsion bar (z-bar).
            Problem solved.

            😎

          3. Swing axles are still swing axles. They ain’t independent rear ends, but yeah, added roll resistance sure shaped up their behavior. The Spyders actually handled pretty well and with the turbo began to generate a little hp.

            The second generation after Nader shamed GM into putting actual independent rears in them could be pretty nimble. Those of us with V8 iron still looked down our noses at them as no better than TR3s, MGs and Chrysler corp roaches.

          4. Matt Adams Avatar

            Yeah, but look at the price for a nasty MG body with a ford V8 in them, now a days 🙂

          5. Matt Adams Avatar

            Yeah, but look at the price for a nasty MG body with a ford V8 in them, now a days 🙂

          6. A friend of my folks had a Sunbeam Tiger that I lusted after…

          7. Matt Adams Avatar

            I had a teacher who had a Triumph Spitfire.

          8. The Spitfires were 4 bangers, the Tiger was a Ford V8. They started with 260s but a few of the later ones may have had 289s like Shelby started with in the Cobras before he went to big blocks. We used to laugh at the 4 cylinder sporty cars.

        4. Pebble bed reactors and hydrogen-moderated self-regulating reactors do not use control rods.

    4. I was under the impression that SMRs would be of the hydrogen-moderated self-regulating type, or use something similar to a pebble bed reactor.

      Things like this:

      https://x-energy.com/reactors/xe-100

  10. The so-called “small nuclear reactor” is the latest scam the Republicans are trying to foist on the public. Only two SMRs are operating IN THE WORLD while SMR projects all over the US have closed.

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