Protest last night in Richmond. Photo credit: Ned Oliver

Wow, a lot of rage has been unleashed in the United States. Remember when “angry white men” was used as a put-down of the Tea Party movement? The implication was that anger clouded the reason and judgment of conservative voters, and their concerns thereby safely discredited and dismissed. Well, in the minds of many folks, the anger prompted by the police killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis reflects a righteous rage against a systemically unjust system, so it’s OK.

Protests erupted last night across the country and much of Virginia — Richmond, Manassas, Hampton, Lynchburg, Charlottesville, Hampton, Staunton, Roanoke, Danville and Harrisonburg — and most of them were peaceful. But some weren’t. In Richmond, protests deteriorated into vandalism, arson, looting, and violence. Two policemen received minor injuries and a motorist was shot.

Based on what we’ve seen in videos, I understand the horror and outrage of the killing of George Floyd. It sure looks like an instance of police brutality that warrants prosecution…. although we all should have learned by now that instances of police violence almost always turn out to be way more complicated than portrayed initially by protesters and the media. Still, I get it. And I support peoples’ right to protest, even if I don’t agree with many of their slogans.

The question that absorbs me right now is where all that rage comes. Here in Virginia, one source is the reckless rhetoric of state Attorney General Mark Herring.

There is a widespread sense among protesters interviewed on cable TV — not to mention the cable celebrities who purport to be “journalists” — that the protests and riots alike are a reaction to systemic racism and injustice. Of course, anyone can create any impression he wants to by cherry-picking incidents and blowing them out of proportion. For example, were I a giant media conglomerate, I could create the impression that police violence against whites is out of control by taking incidents like these….

…. and portrayed them as representative of police interactions with whites. It would help, if every time a white person were killed seemingly unjustifiably, a White Lives Matter group organized massive protests after each event to magnify the impression left upon the public mind.

We count on our elected officials to rise above such irresponsible behavior and try to knit our communities together. Unfortunately, some find it expedient to feed the beast. Thus, I received in my inbox recently a statement from Virginia Attorney General Mark Herring that validated the most paranoid African-American fears. After criticizing violence and destruction for “snatching the focus” from where it rightfully belongs — the inequities of the criminal justice system — he writes:

In my conversations over the last few days I’ve heard over and over again words like ‘tired’ and ‘exhausted.’ The weight of fear that our society places on the shoulders of African Americans is immoral and unsustainable. No one can be truly free if they live in constant fear that they, their children, or their loved ones could be killed if they go out for a walk, or run an errand, or if a traffic stop takes a bad turn. I can never personally know the weight of that fear, but I recognize it, and I will do anything in my power to ease that burden and that fear.

If African-Americans in Virginia bear that fear, it is because politicians like Herring have done everything in their power to provoke it.

What is the reality? Luckily for me, the Virginia State Police published its Crime in Virginia 2019 report just last week. Here are some highlights.

There were 28 officer-involved shootings in Virginia in 2019. Twelve resulted in fatalities, and twelve in injuries.

Source: Virginia State Police. Click for larger image.

Remarkably, given the racially sensitive nature of police killings, the shooting victims are not broken down by race, so we don’t know if blacks are more likely than whites to be victims of police violence. The fact is, we just don’t know. So, if Herring is looking to the Virginia State Police crime report for validation of his sweeping assertions, he would find nothing.

Given the frequency with which police are assaulted — with guns, knives, cars, fists, blunt objects — it’s a testament to their training that more killings don’t occur in the execution of their duties. Fortunately only one officer was killed in the line of duty last year, according to the Virginia State Police. However, there were 1,939 other assaults on officers. Of those, 22 resulted in “major” injuries and 497 in “apparent minor” injuries.

Of the millions of encounters that police had with Virginia residents every year, and of the tens of thousands of encounters that took place during the investigation of crimes and making of arrests, and of the hundreds that involved violence against police, only 12 resulted in shooting deaths. Of those 12, some number were black. But the fact is, we don’t know the number — and neither does Herring.

(For whatever value you place upon police investigations into the shootings, all 28 were found to be “justified.”)

In the past, Herring also concocted the existence of a surge in hate crimes by white supremacists. Here is the 2019 data:

Let’s take these statistics at face value and not worry about how the reporting and classification of crimes as “hate crimes” may be politically biased. There are roughly 8.5 million people in Virginia. Each and every day, there are millions of interactions between individuals of different races. Over the course of a year, there are literally billions of interracial interactions.

Of all those interactions, people engaged in race-based “intimidation” (making threats) 55 times, engaged in “simple assault” (typically pushing, shoving) 54 times, destroyed property (vandalism, typically spray painting) 48 times, and committed aggravated assault 12 times. Not one hate crime resulted in a death or injury. Even if all aggravated assault victims were black, they would represent a infinitesimal fraction of the total number of black-white interactions.

By contrast there is a very real chance of African-Americans being victimized by other African-Americans. Inter-racial murder is relatively rare. Most whites are killed by other whites, typically domestic partners, family members or acquaintances, and the same applies to blacks. When inter-racial murders do occur, they are more likely to be black-on-white than white-on black. In 2019 253 African-Americans were victims of murder and non-negligent manslaughter. (African-Americans were the offenders in 270 murder and manslaughter cases.) While the state police data don’t specifically state how many blacks were killed by whites, the number is extremely small. And Herring has absolutely no data to suggest otherwise.

In sum, Herring’s suggestion that Virginia’s 1.6 million African-Americans might “live in constant fear” if they go out for a walk or a traffic stop takes a bad turn is utterly divorced from reality. The notion is a hallucination and a fraud. If despite these facts blacks do live in fear of police brutality or white supremacists, then look to race baiters like Herring for spreading the idea.

Herring may not have participated in the riots last night, but he has been lighting rhetorical matches for a couple of years now. The thought of him running for Governor is frightening.


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176 responses to “How Mark Herring Fuels Racial Discord”

  1. SGillispie Avatar
    SGillispie

    I do not think the violence or the rhetoric in this case from people like Herring is surprising. It is what we have been getting from Democrat politicians and leaders with ferocity in the past 4 years and for quite a long time before that.

    Following years of sedition where Democrats throughout Congess and the government conspired to effect a coup (Warner was one of the insiders in that effort) and staged a fraudulent impeachment, Democrat Congresspeople advocate violence against the President and their Republican party counterparts regularly. The third most powerful leader of the country regularly spews venomous rhetoric and unconscionable behavior (tear a speech up on national TV!). Obama openly supported ANTIFA now designated a terrorist organization. Even a highly visible Federal judge has joined the sedition, torching laws and constitutional protections to advance the leftist Democrat cause.

    They advocate and celebrate ignoring or refusing to comply with Federal laws across a spectrum of issues. They bend, distort and ignore laws and constitutional limits to use police power to intimidate and break anyone they think might be in their way.

    The majority of the media is providing a non-stop show of insolence , contempt, smears, misinformation and lies for elected officials and professionals whose policies and views or political party they oppose which is always Republicans.

    It’s a wonder it hasn’t happened before and isn’t worse. You can’t trash the rule of law without losing it and they will discover too late they have urinated in their own soup. But now the next step is for the media and the Democrats to blame it all on Trump and Republicans and hide their joy in the mayhem as they work feverishly to exploit it for the next election.

    I’m sure BR’s faithful commentators will quickly join in that mockery of logic and understanding of what is truly playing out in our country today.

  2. SGillispie Avatar
    SGillispie

    I do not think the violence or the rhetoric in this case from people like Herring is surprising. It is what we have been getting from Democrat politicians and leaders with ferocity in the past 4 years and for quite a long time before that.

    Following years of sedition where Democrats throughout Congess and the government conspired to effect a coup (Warner was one of the insiders in that effort) and staged a fraudulent impeachment, Democrat Congresspeople advocate violence against the President and their Republican party counterparts regularly. The third most powerful leader of the country regularly spews venomous rhetoric and unconscionable behavior (tear a speech up on national TV!). Obama openly supported ANTIFA now designated a terrorist organization. Even a highly visible Federal judge has joined the sedition, torching laws and constitutional protections to advance the leftist Democrat cause.

    They advocate and celebrate ignoring or refusing to comply with Federal laws across a spectrum of issues. They bend, distort and ignore laws and constitutional limits to use police power to intimidate and break anyone they think might be in their way.

    The majority of the media is providing a non-stop show of insolence , contempt, smears, misinformation and lies for elected officials and professionals whose policies and views or political party they oppose which is always Republicans.

    It’s a wonder it hasn’t happened before and isn’t worse. You can’t trash the rule of law without losing it and they will discover too late they have urinated in their own soup. But now the next step is for the media and the Democrats to blame it all on Trump and Republicans and hide their joy in the mayhem as they work feverishly to exploit it for the next election.

    I’m sure BR’s faithful commentators will quickly join in that mockery of logic and understanding of what is truly playing out in our country today.

  3. kls59 Avatar

    How to stop excessive force in police-suspect interactions:
    When the police officer tells you to put your hands behind your back — there is ONLY ONE RIGHT action = put your hands behind your back!

    Those who follow that simple rule, don’t get shot, or tazed, or hit with a night stick.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Floyd George had his hands handcuffed behind his back.

  4. kls59 Avatar

    How to stop excessive force in police-suspect interactions:
    When the police officer tells you to put your hands behind your back — there is ONLY ONE RIGHT action = put your hands behind your back!

    Those who follow that simple rule, don’t get shot, or tazed, or hit with a night stick.

    1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      Floyd George had his hands handcuffed behind his back.

  5. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    I don’t see political figures from either side of the isle putting the pin back in this grenade. Sunset is at 8:29 this evening. Everyone be safe, be good, and stay at home.

  6. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
    James Wyatt Whitehead V

    I don’t see political figures from either side of the isle putting the pin back in this grenade. Sunset is at 8:29 this evening. Everyone be safe, be good, and stay at home.

  7. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    With a little knowledge of history, I am very afraid of what I see “playing out in our country today” and agree that most of those at the top are feckless fools, and will give the anarchists what they need to turn legitimate protests over a brutal homicide into near civil war. This is 1968 again, and the summer is just getting started. Now, of course, the police chiefs and prosecutors and mayors and in some cases even higher officials are black. Many of the businesses being looted are owned by black families, or support thousands of solid jobs in that community. In 1968 the schools and colleges were still segregated, and we’d never seen a black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. With all that change over 50 years, here we are in 1968 again.

    Anyone who thinks they can profit from this politically, on either side, needs to wake up right now. This is the Stephen King version of “How America Died.” We’ve gone from pandemic to disorder and a total civil breakdown certainly could follow.

      1. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        Exactly. Odds are the anarchists that burned it are white, or some were. This is like 1968, and totally unlike 1968. It already has more to do with anarchy than justice, and its just in the early stage.

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead V

          Mr. Haner I appreciate your perspective very much. I was born in 1970. I only read about 1968 and grew up in the aftershocks. What is going to happen when it gets hot and steamy in America’s cities? We haven’t even had a 90 degree day and 100% humidity yet.

        2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
          Reed Fawell 3rd

          These events are quite different from 1968. Civil war has arrived in America, as long planned.

    1. vaconsumeradvocate Avatar
      vaconsumeradvocate

      Agree Steve. It’s not one political party against the other. We didn’t address the foundational issues then so they’ve risen to boiling over again.

  8. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    With a little knowledge of history, I am very afraid of what I see “playing out in our country today” and agree that most of those at the top are feckless fools, and will give the anarchists what they need to turn legitimate protests over a brutal homicide into near civil war. This is 1968 again, and the summer is just getting started. Now, of course, the police chiefs and prosecutors and mayors and in some cases even higher officials are black. Many of the businesses being looted are owned by black families, or support thousands of solid jobs in that community. In 1968 the schools and colleges were still segregated, and we’d never seen a black Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. With all that change over 50 years, here we are in 1968 again.

    Anyone who thinks they can profit from this politically, on either side, needs to wake up right now. This is the Stephen King version of “How America Died.” We’ve gone from pandemic to disorder and a total civil breakdown certainly could follow.

      1. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        Exactly. Odds are the anarchists that burned it are white, or some were. This is like 1968, and totally unlike 1968. It already has more to do with anarchy than justice, and its just in the early stage.

        1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
          James Wyatt Whitehead V

          Mr. Haner I appreciate your perspective very much. I was born in 1970. I only read about 1968 and grew up in the aftershocks. What is going to happen when it gets hot and steamy in America’s cities? We haven’t even had a 90 degree day and 100% humidity yet.

        2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
          Reed Fawell 3rd

          These events are quite different from 1968. Civil war has arrived in America, as long planned.

    1. vaconsumeradvocate Avatar
      vaconsumeradvocate

      Agree Steve. It’s not one political party against the other. We didn’t address the foundational issues then so they’ve risen to boiling over again.

  9. VDOTyranny Avatar
    VDOTyranny

    > We count on our elected officials to rise above such irresponsible behavior and try to knit our communities together…. LOL!

    Funny, how a few weeks ago, the regressive left was raging about the danger to public health from the marches to reopen the ecconomy. Anyway, will be interesting to see if the masks prevent a virus outbreak.

  10. VDOTyranny Avatar
    VDOTyranny

    > We count on our elected officials to rise above such irresponsible behavior and try to knit our communities together…. LOL!

    Funny, how a few weeks ago, the regressive left was raging about the danger to public health from the marches to reopen the ecconomy. Anyway, will be interesting to see if the masks prevent a virus outbreak.

  11. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    facial recognition software for the looters anyone?

    and one more difference.. almost all have cell phones…

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead V

      They all had masks on Mr. Larry. The virus, the lockdown, Georgia, George Floyd …. it was a perfect storm.

    2. MAdams Avatar

      You need a warrant to access cell phone data and most cities don’t have CCTV. What you’re describing is the Patriot Act on Steroids.

  12. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    facial recognition software for the looters anyone?

    and one more difference.. almost all have cell phones…

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead V

      They all had masks on Mr. Larry. The virus, the lockdown, Georgia, George Floyd …. it was a perfect storm.

    2. MAdams Avatar

      You need a warrant to access cell phone data and most cities don’t have CCTV. What you’re describing is the Patriot Act on Steroids.

  13. J. Abbate Avatar
    J. Abbate

    It requires a certain attitude to ignore or provide cover for a horrific act by police, and to blame the national reaction to that horrific act on those you disagree with ideologically. Because most of you are not black here, I don’t expect you to address the matter as if your father, brother, or son was under the police officer’s knee. But I only ask you to imagine if it was your son under that knee. I have a son and I can imagine that. I don’t see Mark Herring’s comment having any role in instigating the feelings which arise from that violent act…just a natural horror at the act itself. Thank you for the discussion.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead V

      An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. Martin Luther King Jr. might as well as never been born. What a shame how all have forgotten the lessons of yesteryear. I miss my grandparents generation. They were the glue that held America together in the 20th Century.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      In a word? Zabernism.

    3. MAdams Avatar

      Violence begets violence. The officer in question wasn’t justified, has been charged and arrested. Typically in these instances the investigation takes months, merely because there is a video of events does not constituent grounds to arrest. If you fail to proper investigate you run the risk of a killer roaming free.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Don’t worry, he’ll be acquitted, and hired by the St. Paul PD by 2023. Bad cops just move to a different PD.

        1. MAdams Avatar

          I doubt he’ll be acquitted he may not spend a long time in jail, but he’ll never be a Cop again. Plus he will have a felon on his record, hard to continue being a cop when you can’t carry a firearm.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Keyword acquitted. There are just far too many cases where a cop commits something like this, or other nefarious act, like planting evidence, a suit evolves and they find out that at some prior job, he’d done worse.

            Think “angels of death” and hospitals.

          2. MAdams Avatar

            Again, I doubt he’ll be acquitted. The charge of Murder 3 has been met, while he wont’ sever life he’ll do time.

            Again, he won’t be a cop again with a felon on his record.

  14. J. Abbate Avatar
    J. Abbate

    It requires a certain attitude to ignore or provide cover for a horrific act by police, and to blame the national reaction to that horrific act on those you disagree with ideologically. Because most of you are not black here, I don’t expect you to address the matter as if your father, brother, or son was under the police officer’s knee. But I only ask you to imagine if it was your son under that knee. I have a son and I can imagine that. I don’t see Mark Herring’s comment having any role in instigating the feelings which arise from that violent act…just a natural horror at the act itself. Thank you for the discussion.

    1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
      James Wyatt Whitehead V

      An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. Martin Luther King Jr. might as well as never been born. What a shame how all have forgotten the lessons of yesteryear. I miss my grandparents generation. They were the glue that held America together in the 20th Century.

    2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
      Nancy_Naive

      In a word? Zabernism.

    3. MAdams Avatar

      Violence begets violence. The officer in question wasn’t justified, has been charged and arrested. Typically in these instances the investigation takes months, merely because there is a video of events does not constituent grounds to arrest. If you fail to proper investigate you run the risk of a killer roaming free.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Don’t worry, he’ll be acquitted, and hired by the St. Paul PD by 2023. Bad cops just move to a different PD.

        1. MAdams Avatar

          I doubt he’ll be acquitted he may not spend a long time in jail, but he’ll never be a Cop again. Plus he will have a felon on his record, hard to continue being a cop when you can’t carry a firearm.

          1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Keyword acquitted. There are just far too many cases where a cop commits something like this, or other nefarious act, like planting evidence, a suit evolves and they find out that at some prior job, he’d done worse.

            Think “angels of death” and hospitals.

          2. MAdams Avatar

            Again, I doubt he’ll be acquitted. The charge of Murder 3 has been met, while he wont’ sever life he’ll do time.

            Again, he won’t be a cop again with a felon on his record.

  15. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    So, 3 flash-bangs thrown at Lee Carter is “more complicated than portrayed initially”? How about pepper bullets fired at a news crew?

    Nah, this is an organized effort to avoid oversight and transparency. Blue privilege.

    The real culprit is the slow militarism of the police. APCs owned by the cities? Really?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Had to look that one up, Nancy….New word! Provoking the police to overreact is now the game. They don’t seem to be falling for it as fast as they did in 1968. The riotous 1968 DNC convention was the culmination, and of course elected Nixon. Pity poor Anti-Fa if Trump actually loses, their donations will plummet.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        If you got provocation as a part of that word, you missed the definition.

        The problem begins in the police academies when an instructor says, “… and here is when your military training will come in handy.”

        No! No, no, no. Policing is antithesis of military training. But then, you won’t find many Phi Beta Kappas on the force. In fact, they weed them out. https://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

  16. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    So, 3 flash-bangs thrown at Lee Carter is “more complicated than portrayed initially”? How about pepper bullets fired at a news crew?

    Nah, this is an organized effort to avoid oversight and transparency. Blue privilege.

    The real culprit is the slow militarism of the police. APCs owned by the cities? Really?

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Had to look that one up, Nancy….New word! Provoking the police to overreact is now the game. They don’t seem to be falling for it as fast as they did in 1968. The riotous 1968 DNC convention was the culmination, and of course elected Nixon. Pity poor Anti-Fa if Trump actually loses, their donations will plummet.

  17. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    This greeted me on Twitter this morning….I hope the protesters are figuring out that their allies have a different agenda, and the hammer and sickle is a symbol of a true police state.

    https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2020/06/Antifa-Tweet.jpg

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      and………the boogeyman cometh!

      1. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        If I still lived on Stuart Circle, the monster would have been outside my front door the last three nights.

    2. WayneS Avatar

      That would be a mistake.

  18. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    This greeted me on Twitter this morning….I hope the protesters are figuring out that their allies have a different agenda, and the hammer and sickle is a symbol of a true police state.

    https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2020/06/Antifa-Tweet.jpg

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      and………the boogeyman cometh!

      1. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        If I still lived on Stuart Circle, the monster would have been outside my front door the last three nights.

    2. WayneS Avatar

      That would be a mistake.

  19. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    it’s sorta like some terrible thing that has come to visit us and we had nothing to do with it… we’re just collateral damage? 😉

  20. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    it’s sorta like some terrible thing that has come to visit us and we had nothing to do with it… we’re just collateral damage? 😉

  21. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    I may write my own take on this later, but I must comment on the absurdity of this post. Blaming Attorney General Mark Herring and the media and absolving Donald Trump on this are nuts. Here’s why:

    (1) The Washington Post has a map this morning showing that nearly 30 states have activated their National Guards. The numbers of places with George Floyd protests is approaching 100. That’s a lot bigger than Richmond. It shows a huge crisis on race in the United States that could be bigger than 1968 which I did live through. Coupled with the COVID 19 crisis, this is approaching overload.

    (2) Who was president all of this time? Donald Trump. I can’t blame Trump for the virus but he has done a great deal to stroke racial animosity with his policies and his provocative tweets have poured gasoline on the fire. Don’t believe? Ask Twitter.
    (3) I really don’t see the point of running these videos of white people being shot by police. Of course white people get shot by police and sometimes the victims are unarmed little kids. That’s awful and must be stopped. But using this as propaganda to smear the Black Lives Matter movement is stupid and irrelevant.
    (4) Next we go to Virginia State Police data showing that 28 people were involved in police shootings in Virginia in 2019. The author claims that Mark Herring has no data on whether this people were of color. How do you know this? Did you bother to ask him? Even send an email? I have for previous stories of have done elsewhere and have gotten responses.
    (5) Then we go to a chart showing hate crimes in Virginia but it doesn’t really say who the source is. You notice that hates crimes in the state dropped dramatically in the 2006 to 2009 time frame. What changed? The only thing I can think of is that an African American, Barack Obama, became president. Hate crimes increased from 2016 to 2019. What changed? Donald Trump became president.
    (6) In Richmond, many of the businesses that were looted were owned by African Americans, including Waller and Company Jewelers on Broad Street that was founded in 1900. There is no data showing the race of the looters. Judging from photos, it appears there was a mix among races.
    (7) It is idiotic and insulting to blame the media for this. A number of journalists across the country have been injured by rubber bullets or tear gas. At times, journalists were assaulted by protestors. These were not “cable celebrities who purport to be journalists.” These are real journalists. What a snarky put down. Have you ever covered one of these things? I have a bunch of times. The worst was Moscow in Oct. 3 and 4, 1993 when mayhem broke out between Boris Yeltsin and the Duma as Russia struggled to reinvent itself after the fall of Communism. Fighting escalated to a near civil war with machines guns and tanks. At least 150 or 175 people were killed but I believe the number had to have been much higher given the length and intensity of the gunfire. During that time frame at least seven journalists were killed. I had a few close calls myself and can report that it was the most frightening thing I have ever experienced.
    (8) It is silly to claim that impeaching Trump was an attempted coup. Once again, I have been through a real attempted coup and it is not the same as going through a real legal process. The House impeached but the Senate did not remove. Trump stayed. Was it a coup when Republicans went after Bill Clinton for his sexual relationship with an intern?
    (9) One of the things that bothers me, along with Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney, is what role outsiders played in the Richmond riots. I think it is quite possible that outsiders on the left were involved. Otherwise how do you explain the massive number of protests nationally all occurring at the same time? Was some version of antifa involved? I don’t know. This isn’t relevant to the recent invents but I have another reporting experience that may be similar,. In 1999, I covered a Ku Klux Klan rally at the West Virginia birthplace of Confederate General Stonewall Jackson. Police tightly controlled the rally which had several hundred anti-Klaners and maybe nine Klansmen and Klanswomen. When the Klan left, there license plates showed Tennessee and Indiana among other states. This kind of stuff has happened before, but I believe there is real and honest rage with Trump, Covid 19 and the reversal of progress in race relations.
    Unfortunately, African Americans do fear threatened by police. Look at Ferguson, Mo. or the recent case in Georgia where an African-American out jogging was run down and shot, apparently a father and son pair, one of whom was a former policeman. What I find disturbing on this blog is its increasing tendency to become a partisan, far right organ that neglects to report situations completely, tries to dispel racial reality and tends to reflect the views of mostly a small crowd of well-to-do, aging white men who live in Richmond’s affluent West End

    1. Ah, it’s all Donald Trump’s fault. I see now.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Not his fault – but he does well represent a particular viewpoint and it’s not one that is going to foster changes that are needed.

      2. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        He is one the many politicians happy to exploit this. The “law and order” campaign theme will come soon. His racist warnings about immigrants are just a variant of that 60s theme.

    2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      And how does this change the fact that the Mayor and alderman of Minneapolis failed to provide sufficient oversight of the MPD and that the police chiefs allowed a man with 14 complaints in 19 years to remain on the police force?

  22. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    I may write my own take on this later, but I must comment on the absurdity of this post. Blaming Attorney General Mark Herring and the media and absolving Donald Trump on this are nuts. Here’s why:

    (1) The Washington Post has a map this morning showing that nearly 30 states have activated their National Guards. The numbers of places with George Floyd protests is approaching 100. That’s a lot bigger than Richmond. It shows a huge crisis on race in the United States that could be bigger than 1968 which I did live through. Coupled with the COVID 19 crisis, this is approaching overload.

    (2) Who was president all of this time? Donald Trump. I can’t blame Trump for the virus but he has done a great deal to stroke racial animosity with his policies and his provocative tweets have poured gasoline on the fire. Don’t believe? Ask Twitter.
    (3) I really don’t see the point of running these videos of white people being shot by police. Of course white people get shot by police and sometimes the victims are unarmed little kids. That’s awful and must be stopped. But using this as propaganda to smear the Black Lives Matter movement is stupid and irrelevant.
    (4) Next we go to Virginia State Police data showing that 28 people were involved in police shootings in Virginia in 2019. The author claims that Mark Herring has no data on whether this people were of color. How do you know this? Did you bother to ask him? Even send an email? I have for previous stories of have done elsewhere and have gotten responses.
    (5) Then we go to a chart showing hate crimes in Virginia but it doesn’t really say who the source is. You notice that hates crimes in the state dropped dramatically in the 2006 to 2009 time frame. What changed? The only thing I can think of is that an African American, Barack Obama, became president. Hate crimes increased from 2016 to 2019. What changed? Donald Trump became president.
    (6) In Richmond, many of the businesses that were looted were owned by African Americans, including Waller and Company Jewelers on Broad Street that was founded in 1900. There is no data showing the race of the looters. Judging from photos, it appears there was a mix among races.
    (7) It is idiotic and insulting to blame the media for this. A number of journalists across the country have been injured by rubber bullets or tear gas. At times, journalists were assaulted by protestors. These were not “cable celebrities who purport to be journalists.” These are real journalists. What a snarky put down. Have you ever covered one of these things? I have a bunch of times. The worst was Moscow in Oct. 3 and 4, 1993 when mayhem broke out between Boris Yeltsin and the Duma as Russia struggled to reinvent itself after the fall of Communism. Fighting escalated to a near civil war with machines guns and tanks. At least 150 or 175 people were killed but I believe the number had to have been much higher given the length and intensity of the gunfire. During that time frame at least seven journalists were killed. I had a few close calls myself and can report that it was the most frightening thing I have ever experienced.
    (8) It is silly to claim that impeaching Trump was an attempted coup. Once again, I have been through a real attempted coup and it is not the same as going through a real legal process. The House impeached but the Senate did not remove. Trump stayed. Was it a coup when Republicans went after Bill Clinton for his sexual relationship with an intern?
    (9) One of the things that bothers me, along with Richmond Mayor Levar Stoney, is what role outsiders played in the Richmond riots. I think it is quite possible that outsiders on the left were involved. Otherwise how do you explain the massive number of protests nationally all occurring at the same time? Was some version of antifa involved? I don’t know. This isn’t relevant to the recent invents but I have another reporting experience that may be similar,. In 1999, I covered a Ku Klux Klan rally at the West Virginia birthplace of Confederate General Stonewall Jackson. Police tightly controlled the rally which had several hundred anti-Klaners and maybe nine Klansmen and Klanswomen. When the Klan left, there license plates showed Tennessee and Indiana among other states. This kind of stuff has happened before, but I believe there is real and honest rage with Trump, Covid 19 and the reversal of progress in race relations.
    Unfortunately, African Americans do fear threatened by police. Look at Ferguson, Mo. or the recent case in Georgia where an African-American out jogging was run down and shot, apparently a father and son pair, one of whom was a former policeman. What I find disturbing on this blog is its increasing tendency to become a partisan, far right organ that neglects to report situations completely, tries to dispel racial reality and tends to reflect the views of mostly a small crowd of well-to-do, aging white men who live in Richmond’s affluent West End

    1. Ah, it’s all Donald Trump’s fault. I see now.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        Not his fault – but he does well represent a particular viewpoint and it’s not one that is going to foster changes that are needed.

      2. Steve Haner Avatar
        Steve Haner

        He is one the many politicians happy to exploit this. The “law and order” campaign theme will come soon. His racist warnings about immigrants are just a variant of that 60s theme.

    2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      And how does this change the fact that the Mayor and alderman of Minneapolis failed to provide sufficient oversight of the MPD and that the police chiefs allowed a man with 14 complaints in 19 years to remain on the police force?

  23. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    So good and true it really needed to be said twice… but then, considering your audience, perhaps thrice is in order, and even then…

  24. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    So good and true it really needed to be said twice… but then, considering your audience, perhaps thrice is in order, and even then…

  25. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    1 out of every 12 murders involves a service weapon. 8% of all murders, 30% of murders by a stranger are by police.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Not sure I accept that claim even for homicides, and not every homicide is a murder. But your use of the word is intentional, I’m sure.

  26. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    1 out of every 12 murders involves a service weapon. 8% of all murders, 30% of murders by a stranger are by police.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Not sure I accept that claim even for homicides, and not every homicide is a murder. But your use of the word is intentional, I’m sure.

  27. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    If you write your own piece, Peter, what will you add? 🙂

  28. Steve Haner Avatar
    Steve Haner

    If you write your own piece, Peter, what will you add? 🙂

  29. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I see nothing inflammatory in Mark Herring’s statement. Quite the contrary, he condemned the violence and then voiced some understanding of how black people feel.

    Have you talked to black people to get an idea of their experiences with police and white society in general? Two recent incidents:
    1. Black man birding in Central Park, asks young white woman to put her dog on a leash, as clearly directed by signs posted in area. Woman freaks out, dials 911 and reports “African American male” trying to assault her and her dog.
    2. Black University of Richmond student walking with his white UR mentor near Westhampton Lake. White woman drives up and asks the UR woman several times if she is “all right.”

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      What’s going on in BR, reflects the racial divide in the country. It’s sharp and divisive and some are in denial about the problem IMHO.

      Don’t want to generalize but many younger white folks think we still have significant racial issues and older white folks often do not or that if we do, it’s not something they caused or have any responsibility in.

      I see lots of young white folks including women at these protests and if they vote – more change is going to happen, more folks like Herring will get elected and at some point, the way that the Police operate is going to have to change unless we want to see this happen over and over.

  30. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I see nothing inflammatory in Mark Herring’s statement. Quite the contrary, he condemned the violence and then voiced some understanding of how black people feel.

    Have you talked to black people to get an idea of their experiences with police and white society in general? Two recent incidents:
    1. Black man birding in Central Park, asks young white woman to put her dog on a leash, as clearly directed by signs posted in area. Woman freaks out, dials 911 and reports “African American male” trying to assault her and her dog.
    2. Black University of Richmond student walking with his white UR mentor near Westhampton Lake. White woman drives up and asks the UR woman several times if she is “all right.”

    1. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      What’s going on in BR, reflects the racial divide in the country. It’s sharp and divisive and some are in denial about the problem IMHO.

      Don’t want to generalize but many younger white folks think we still have significant racial issues and older white folks often do not or that if we do, it’s not something they caused or have any responsibility in.

      I see lots of young white folks including women at these protests and if they vote – more change is going to happen, more folks like Herring will get elected and at some point, the way that the Police operate is going to have to change unless we want to see this happen over and over.

  31. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Steve H. I am not sure what I might write yet.

  32. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Steve H. I am not sure what I might write yet.

  33. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Nancy. Posting twice was my mistake.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Peter, I took the duplicate one down….

      Larry, of course we obviously have a serious racial divide, exacerbated by too many white racists (and a few black ones) and too many politicians in both camps happy to exploit the situation. (Now Anti-Fa jumps in.) Yes, Trump ranks up there, although his racism is worst against Hispanics.

      It is just inconceivable to me that in 2020 a group of police officers can execute a man like that, and seem to not even care they are being recorded. The similar lynch mob in Georgia with their “citizen arrest” apparently recorded themselves! But the proper response to a lynching is the judicial process and (I hope) long, long sentences in prisons where they live in fear. Whatever we’ve done during the 50 years of my adulthood has clearly failed. As I’ve asked before, so now what?

      And yes, Nancy, the militarization of the police is a huge problem, but leaders in both parties have happily voted for the grants and posed with the hardware. I don’t blame cops for being afraid and not wanting to face bad guys with better guns. But it has also been clear this time that most of the cops are just as angry over what those morons in Minneapolis did, given their lives are now in danger, and compared to 50 years ago the officers and commanders are far more likely to also be black.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        I notice you took down the one where I said “so true it should be said twice… thrice for the BR crowd.”

      2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        You seem to be letting Mayor Frey, the 13 Democratic and Green aldermen and the police chief (and their predecessors) off the hook. They ignored a guy who had 14 complaints in 19 years as a cop. As both a matter of law and practicality, these are the people who are responsible for Chauvin having a badge and a a gun. Why didn’t they do their duty? Campaign contributions from public sector unions? Neat little statements on yard signs “Endorsed by the MPLS Police Union”?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          TMT – they DID their duty – that’s why he had complaints documented and adjudicated according to current policy rules.

          That’s the point.

          It’s not just on one police dept or one state and now just when Dems were in charge. It’s a police culture across most all states and has been in place for years, decades under both Dem and GOP leadership.

          When you make this a partisan issue – you really do make a mockery of the issue… this is not a Dem issue.. it happens under GOP also..

  34. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Nancy. Posting twice was my mistake.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Peter, I took the duplicate one down….

      Larry, of course we obviously have a serious racial divide, exacerbated by too many white racists (and a few black ones) and too many politicians in both camps happy to exploit the situation. (Now Anti-Fa jumps in.) Yes, Trump ranks up there, although his racism is worst against Hispanics.

      It is just inconceivable to me that in 2020 a group of police officers can execute a man like that, and seem to not even care they are being recorded. The similar lynch mob in Georgia with their “citizen arrest” apparently recorded themselves! But the proper response to a lynching is the judicial process and (I hope) long, long sentences in prisons where they live in fear. Whatever we’ve done during the 50 years of my adulthood has clearly failed. As I’ve asked before, so now what?

      And yes, Nancy, the militarization of the police is a huge problem, but leaders in both parties have happily voted for the grants and posed with the hardware. I don’t blame cops for being afraid and not wanting to face bad guys with better guns. But it has also been clear this time that most of the cops are just as angry over what those morons in Minneapolis did, given their lives are now in danger, and compared to 50 years ago the officers and commanders are far more likely to also be black.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        I notice you took down the one where I said “so true it should be said twice… thrice for the BR crowd.”

      2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
        TooManyTaxes

        You seem to be letting Mayor Frey, the 13 Democratic and Green aldermen and the police chief (and their predecessors) off the hook. They ignored a guy who had 14 complaints in 19 years as a cop. As both a matter of law and practicality, these are the people who are responsible for Chauvin having a badge and a a gun. Why didn’t they do their duty? Campaign contributions from public sector unions? Neat little statements on yard signs “Endorsed by the MPLS Police Union”?

        1. LarrytheG Avatar
          LarrytheG

          TMT – they DID their duty – that’s why he had complaints documented and adjudicated according to current policy rules.

          That’s the point.

          It’s not just on one police dept or one state and now just when Dems were in charge. It’s a police culture across most all states and has been in place for years, decades under both Dem and GOP leadership.

          When you make this a partisan issue – you really do make a mockery of the issue… this is not a Dem issue.. it happens under GOP also..

  35. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Peter – more media-think. Who controls the police? Local government. Not the Governor, the Senator, the President. Who is in charge of the Minneapolis Police Department? The police chief, who reports to the mayor and board of aldermen. The City of Minneapolis is responsible for Chauvin being on the force and able to engage in reprehensible behavior.

    Chauvin had 14 complaints filed against him in 19 years. Anyone can file a complaint against a cop. And the mere existence of a complaint does not indicate bad actions or a bad cop. But 14 complaints certainly suggests there are problems. Why was a guy with this record still on the force? Why didn’t the various police chiefs and their commanders take action? Why didn’t they inform the elected officials about Chauvin? Why didn’t local elected officials ask about officers with troubled records?

    Was former Hennepin County District Attorney Amy Klobachar sufficiently diligent in her investigation of the couple dozen officer-involved fatalities? Maybe so; maybe not. But since she’s being considered as a vice presidential candidate, shouldn’t these get a second look?

    With the exception of two days during transition between mayors, the last GOP mayor of Minneapolis left office in 1961. The last GOP alderman left office in 1997. There are 12 Democratic and one Green Party aldermen in Minneapolis. These are the people responsible for the actions of the MPD.

    Where’s the criticism of Mayor Frey and his administration? Shouldn’t Herring have also called them out too? Oh, wrong party. Orangeman bad.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Remember, police unionization is coming to Virginia very, very soon. Who protects people like Chauvin from discipline or firing? Who pays for their lawyers?

    2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      TMT says: “With the exception of two days during transition between mayors, the last GOP mayor of Minneapolis left office in 1961. The last GOP alderman left office in 1997. There are 12 Democratic and one Green Party aldermen in Minneapolis. These are the people responsible for the actions of the MPD. ”

      This is the consistent pattern of burning cities around the nation, much of it going on for decade and decade, including in the nation’s capital. So who is to blame? Who should be voted out of office, for chronic, and systemic incompetency?

    3. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      TMT makes some good points but it’s wrong to cast this in terms of the race of who is in charge. The race of the leaders cannot easily change the institutions that are in place like the Police and this is a good example of it.

      The protestors really don’t care what the race of the leaders are – they are saying that policing as currently practiced – no matter who is in charge, has to change… and if it does not – and more of this type of thing happens, that bad stuff like riots are likely – because unlike the bad old days of the 1960’s… stuff gets in video and then broadcasts in minutes about TV and internet…

      I think also people do not understand how the crowds are organized – with their cellphones… both the non-violent and the bad guys…

      each one of those cell phones is a virtual walki-talki…. and herds of people act in response…

      1. WayneS Avatar

        Democrat is not a race.

  36. TooManyTaxes Avatar
    TooManyTaxes

    Peter – more media-think. Who controls the police? Local government. Not the Governor, the Senator, the President. Who is in charge of the Minneapolis Police Department? The police chief, who reports to the mayor and board of aldermen. The City of Minneapolis is responsible for Chauvin being on the force and able to engage in reprehensible behavior.

    Chauvin had 14 complaints filed against him in 19 years. Anyone can file a complaint against a cop. And the mere existence of a complaint does not indicate bad actions or a bad cop. But 14 complaints certainly suggests there are problems. Why was a guy with this record still on the force? Why didn’t the various police chiefs and their commanders take action? Why didn’t they inform the elected officials about Chauvin? Why didn’t local elected officials ask about officers with troubled records?

    Was former Hennepin County District Attorney Amy Klobachar sufficiently diligent in her investigation of the couple dozen officer-involved fatalities? Maybe so; maybe not. But since she’s being considered as a vice presidential candidate, shouldn’t these get a second look?

    With the exception of two days during transition between mayors, the last GOP mayor of Minneapolis left office in 1961. The last GOP alderman left office in 1997. There are 12 Democratic and one Green Party aldermen in Minneapolis. These are the people responsible for the actions of the MPD.

    Where’s the criticism of Mayor Frey and his administration? Shouldn’t Herring have also called them out too? Oh, wrong party. Orangeman bad.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Remember, police unionization is coming to Virginia very, very soon. Who protects people like Chauvin from discipline or firing? Who pays for their lawyers?

    2. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      TMT says: “With the exception of two days during transition between mayors, the last GOP mayor of Minneapolis left office in 1961. The last GOP alderman left office in 1997. There are 12 Democratic and one Green Party aldermen in Minneapolis. These are the people responsible for the actions of the MPD. ”

      This is the consistent pattern of burning cities around the nation, much of it going on for decade and decade, including in the nation’s capital. So who is to blame? Who should be voted out of office, for chronic, and systemic incompetency?

    3. LarrytheG Avatar
      LarrytheG

      TMT makes some good points but it’s wrong to cast this in terms of the race of who is in charge. The race of the leaders cannot easily change the institutions that are in place like the Police and this is a good example of it.

      The protestors really don’t care what the race of the leaders are – they are saying that policing as currently practiced – no matter who is in charge, has to change… and if it does not – and more of this type of thing happens, that bad stuff like riots are likely – because unlike the bad old days of the 1960’s… stuff gets in video and then broadcasts in minutes about TV and internet…

      I think also people do not understand how the crowds are organized – with their cellphones… both the non-violent and the bad guys…

      each one of those cell phones is a virtual walki-talki…. and herds of people act in response…

      1. WayneS Avatar

        Democrat is not a race.

  37. kls59 Avatar

    AND not a word/march/protest for the 16 people killed and at least 30 others wounded in Chicago shootings — but then again, it wasn’t by the police.

  38. kls59 Avatar

    AND not a word/march/protest for the 16 people killed and at least 30 others wounded in Chicago shootings — but then again, it wasn’t by the police.

  39. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Larry. Younger people such as my daughters, my son in law and their friends think exactly the way you suggest.

  40. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Larry. Younger people such as my daughters, my son in law and their friends think exactly the way you suggest.

  41. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Tmt other mayhem in Minneapolis was done by the state patrol which I believe is controlled by the governor

    1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      So let’s blame Walz. He’s the Governor. He’s responsible for the state police, the National Guard and the BCI (Bureau of Criminal Apprehension). Wrong party? Orangeman bad.

      Both Frey and Walz were found out to be lying about their statements that the rioting was caused largely by outsiders, including white supremacists. Records showed 86% of the arrests were of Minnesotans, chiefly from the Twin Cities. That was reported by KARE 11, a local TV station. I bet the Post is already trying to find a way to discredit that report.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        It’s not about blame TMT – it’s about making changes, and acknowledging that there is blame to go around, as well as denial and misrepresentation.

        But your organgeman guy is no more capable of dealing with any of this than the man in the moon… he’s just plain incompetent and in denial about the problem like those who represents…

        change is going to come from the younger generation… while the older ones in denial will just gradually fade away – they will not change.

        I really WOULD like to see a GOP politician run in Virginia who knows and understands what is happening and has an approach to go forward – and it does appeal to blacks and the younger whites who want changes.

        It should not ever be that the GOP cannot or will not respond to these issues and all they can do is stoke the racial divide and culture wars…

        1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
          TooManyTaxes

          “It’s about making changes.” Where does change need to be made? At the local police departments and at the legislatures and executive of the local governments that operate police departments. Who is responsible for the Spotsylvania Sheriffs Department? Who is responsible for the Fairfax County Police Department? Who is responsible for the Richmond Police Department?

          What if, instead of virtue signaling, every local government began a review of community complaints against the police, the Commonwealth Attorney’s handling of investigations into officer-involved shootings and training?

          I wrote Fairfax County’s chief of police and asked how do residents that there are no 14-complaint-in-19-years officers on the force? How do we know there are no officers who enjoy violence as Chauvin did? I’m looking forward to his answers and the data behind them.

  42. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Tmt other mayhem in Minneapolis was done by the state patrol which I believe is controlled by the governor

    1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      So let’s blame Walz. He’s the Governor. He’s responsible for the state police, the National Guard and the BCI (Bureau of Criminal Apprehension). Wrong party? Orangeman bad.

      Both Frey and Walz were found out to be lying about their statements that the rioting was caused largely by outsiders, including white supremacists. Records showed 86% of the arrests were of Minnesotans, chiefly from the Twin Cities. That was reported by KARE 11, a local TV station. I bet the Post is already trying to find a way to discredit that report.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        It’s not about blame TMT – it’s about making changes, and acknowledging that there is blame to go around, as well as denial and misrepresentation.

        But your organgeman guy is no more capable of dealing with any of this than the man in the moon… he’s just plain incompetent and in denial about the problem like those who represents…

        change is going to come from the younger generation… while the older ones in denial will just gradually fade away – they will not change.

        I really WOULD like to see a GOP politician run in Virginia who knows and understands what is happening and has an approach to go forward – and it does appeal to blacks and the younger whites who want changes.

        It should not ever be that the GOP cannot or will not respond to these issues and all they can do is stoke the racial divide and culture wars…

        1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
          TooManyTaxes

          “It’s about making changes.” Where does change need to be made? At the local police departments and at the legislatures and executive of the local governments that operate police departments. Who is responsible for the Spotsylvania Sheriffs Department? Who is responsible for the Fairfax County Police Department? Who is responsible for the Richmond Police Department?

          What if, instead of virtue signaling, every local government began a review of community complaints against the police, the Commonwealth Attorney’s handling of investigations into officer-involved shootings and training?

          I wrote Fairfax County’s chief of police and asked how do residents that there are no 14-complaint-in-19-years officers on the force? How do we know there are no officers who enjoy violence as Chauvin did? I’m looking forward to his answers and the data behind them.

  43. Atlas Rand Avatar
    Atlas Rand

    I laughed so hard reading about Lee Carter. If there’s anyone who needs/deserves a billy club to the face it’s him. He is probably the single biggest idiot/tool in the GA. Shame all he got was some pepper spray. In all seriousness though, a GA member has every right to protest just like anyone else. He doesn’t have the right to be out there trying to order police around or use his position to try and take over a situation. His threatening to cut their funding is both petty and embarrassing, more so even than the normal embarrassment of someone of his ilk holding elected office.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Dismiss him at your peril. He’s a modern Robespierre.

      1. Atlas Rand Avatar
        Atlas Rand

        You really believe he has that level of cult of personality? I don’t personally know him, I only have his writings, interviews, positions etc to judge on but have personally found him to be a radical imbecile. Then again, that seems to be what the folks are wanting these days (see Bernie Sanders, an avowed communist) so you may be right.

        1. idiocracy Avatar
          idiocracy

          He represents the City of Manassas. That place is like a real-life Jerry Springer episode.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead V

            Former home of John Wayne Bobbitt.

  44. Atlas Rand Avatar
    Atlas Rand

    I laughed so hard reading about Lee Carter. If there’s anyone who needs/deserves a billy club to the face it’s him. He is probably the single biggest idiot/tool in the GA. Shame all he got was some pepper spray. In all seriousness though, a GA member has every right to protest just like anyone else. He doesn’t have the right to be out there trying to order police around or use his position to try and take over a situation. His threatening to cut their funding is both petty and embarrassing, more so even than the normal embarrassment of someone of his ilk holding elected office.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Dismiss him at your peril. He’s a modern Robespierre.

      1. Atlas Rand Avatar
        Atlas Rand

        You really believe he has that level of cult of personality? I don’t personally know him, I only have his writings, interviews, positions etc to judge on but have personally found him to be a radical imbecile. Then again, that seems to be what the folks are wanting these days (see Bernie Sanders, an avowed communist) so you may be right.

        1. idiocracy Avatar
          idiocracy

          He represents the City of Manassas. That place is like a real-life Jerry Springer episode.

          1. James Wyatt Whitehead V Avatar
            James Wyatt Whitehead V

            Former home of John Wayne Bobbitt.

  45. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Changes to police interactions with citizens is a work in progress – no matter the race of the Police Chief –

    The Police, as an institution, has always kept the Mayors at arms-length but we see a clear history of this problem. It’s not a one off … it’s clearly systemic… where Police forces retain officers who have histories of not good interactions with citizens and often black citizens because they often do live in the parts of town where problems and crime are a problem.

    You just cannot manhandle or kill a citizen now days in the public realm without it being on video… and within minutes on TV and the internet.

    You just can no longer do this and amazingly – not all the police departments nor the officers seem to recognize this reality or else why are they still doing it!

  46. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    Changes to police interactions with citizens is a work in progress – no matter the race of the Police Chief –

    The Police, as an institution, has always kept the Mayors at arms-length but we see a clear history of this problem. It’s not a one off … it’s clearly systemic… where Police forces retain officers who have histories of not good interactions with citizens and often black citizens because they often do live in the parts of town where problems and crime are a problem.

    You just cannot manhandle or kill a citizen now days in the public realm without it being on video… and within minutes on TV and the internet.

    You just can no longer do this and amazingly – not all the police departments nor the officers seem to recognize this reality or else why are they still doing it!

  47. Grace Carter Avatar
    Grace Carter

    I would argue that it is the cornerstone of privledge for you to write why Black people in this country are upset as a whole. As for unjust white deaths at the hands of the police, you fail to adress that African American people are twice as likely to die at the hands of police than white people are. I would also like to say that my generation aligns with the 1312 movement along with the BLM movement because we are able to recognised that although racism among officers is the most aggregious offense, officers commit violent and inexcusable offenses against people of every race, gender, sexual orientation and nationality.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Translation: “1312, The numerical representation of A.C.A.B. or All Cops Are Bastards. Why kill cops? 1312! #acab#pig#oi#punk#copkiller#antifa
      by Elvis Aaron Pol Pot February 05, 2011”

      Googled that right up!

      Gonna be a long summer….

    2. Atlas Rand Avatar
      Atlas Rand

      This is both factually incorrect and blatantly an activist for whom facts have little to no meaning. Also not sure which generation you claim to speak for, I assume milllennials,if so please don’t because we’re not all idiots.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I think most polls show the demographics on the racial issue, no?

        1. Atlas Rand Avatar
          Atlas Rand

          I didn’t say that a majority aren’t idiots, merely that it’s not a monolithic block.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar
            LarrytheG

            well hardly anything is monolithic but numbers do mean something also.

            Poll after poll after poll show a fairly consistent division of the demographics.. of course not every person in each demographic feels that way.

      2. Grace Carter Avatar
        Grace Carter

        generation Z. I dont claim to speack for an entire generation, just making an observation from the people i tend to be surrounded by. as for 1312, the movement doesnt exist to advocate for the killing of all cops, it stands to address the idea that all cops, regardless of their good intentions, work under the 13th amendment, and continue legal “Neo-slavery” as angela davis would call it, and all cops therefore are bastardized by the system they work for. facts are very important to me, as is real dialogue across political ideology. and I dont believe that you are “all idiots”

        1. TooManyTaxes Avatar
          TooManyTaxes

          What does “work under the 13th amendment” mean?

          1. Atlas Rand Avatar
            Atlas Rand

            That’s activist speak for police are enslaving black people.

    3. Grace, it’s good to hear from a Gen Z person on this blog for a change. However, I question the basis for this statement: “Officers commit violent and inexcusable offenses against people of every race, gender, sexual orientation and nationality.”

      What is the empirical basis for this claim? What evidence do you have to suggest that this violence is systemic? I provided evidence above, based on Virginia data, to suggest otherwise. Do you have different data? Do you think the Virginia data is deficient?

      1. Grace Carter Avatar
        Grace Carter

        it is systematic because things like legal rape at the hands of officers is legal in 36 states (https://theintercept.com/2019/08/30/nypd-anna-chambers-rape-probation/) when officers that report their fellow officers have slower backup response team times and are more likely to be put into danger because they are considered “rats” or “narcs” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_of_silence
        I know that wiki isnt always reliable but there are some interesting links to more reputable sights.
        And i do not think that Virginia data is enough
        https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

        1. The Anna Chambers case took place in New York, not Virginia. New York has police unions, Virginia does not. Police unions protect bad guys in the police force. Perhaps the problem is “systemic” in New York, but that says absolutely nothing about conditions here in Virginia.

  48. Grace Carter Avatar
    Grace Carter

    I would argue that it is the cornerstone of privledge for you to write why Black people in this country are upset as a whole. As for unjust white deaths at the hands of the police, you fail to adress that African American people are twice as likely to die at the hands of police than white people are. I would also like to say that my generation aligns with the 1312 movement along with the BLM movement because we are able to recognised that although racism among officers is the most aggregious offense, officers commit violent and inexcusable offenses against people of every race, gender, sexual orientation and nationality.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Translation: “1312, The numerical representation of A.C.A.B. or All Cops Are Bastards. Why kill cops? 1312! #acab#pig#oi#punk#copkiller#antifa
      by Elvis Aaron Pol Pot February 05, 2011”

      Googled that right up!

      Gonna be a long summer….

    2. Atlas Rand Avatar
      Atlas Rand

      This is both factually incorrect and blatantly an activist for whom facts have little to no meaning. Also not sure which generation you claim to speak for, I assume milllennials,if so please don’t because we’re not all idiots.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar
        LarrytheG

        I think most polls show the demographics on the racial issue, no?

      2. Grace Carter Avatar
        Grace Carter

        generation Z. I dont claim to speack for an entire generation, just making an observation from the people i tend to be surrounded by. as for 1312, the movement doesnt exist to advocate for the killing of all cops, it stands to address the idea that all cops, regardless of their good intentions, work under the 13th amendment, and continue legal “Neo-slavery” as angela davis would call it, and all cops therefore are bastardized by the system they work for. facts are very important to me, as is real dialogue across political ideology. and I dont believe that you are “all idiots”

    3. Grace, it’s good to hear from a Gen Z person on this blog for a change. However, I question the basis for this statement: “Officers commit violent and inexcusable offenses against people of every race, gender, sexual orientation and nationality.”

      What is the empirical basis for this claim? What evidence do you have to suggest that this violence is systemic? I provided evidence above, based on Virginia data, to suggest otherwise. Do you have different data? Do you think the Virginia data is deficient?

      1. Grace Carter Avatar
        Grace Carter

        it is systematic because things like legal rape at the hands of officers is legal in 36 states (https://theintercept.com/2019/08/30/nypd-anna-chambers-rape-probation/) when officers that report their fellow officers have slower backup response team times and are more likely to be put into danger because they are considered “rats” or “narcs” https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_wall_of_silence
        I know that wiki isnt always reliable but there are some interesting links to more reputable sights.
        And i do not think that Virginia data is enough
        https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

        1. The Anna Chambers case took place in New York, not Virginia. New York has police unions, Virginia does not. Police unions protect bad guys in the police force. Perhaps the problem is “systemic” in New York, but that says absolutely nothing about conditions here in Virginia.

  49. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    too many Google something that appeals to their own views… and there is no shortage of “providers”……

  50. NorrhsideDude Avatar
    NorrhsideDude

    Hey, y’all should check out some of the local RVA Antifa folks on Twitter (they’re easy to find on Google and it appears they don’t get censored). Looks like today’s protest goes from Monroe Park to Carytown. Hopefully the small businesses survive, but glad I don’t have large glass windows with nice goods in plain view.
    Looking Mr Haners post it looks like they might be making good on “Coming to the Suburbs and Taking”.

    1. Atlas Rand Avatar
      Atlas Rand

      I’ll keep all you city dwellers in my prayers. They may head out to the close by suburbs, ie Chesterfield, Henrico, etc., but can’t imagine we’ll ever see any out here in the rural areas. They aren’t that dumb, too many people who would be happy to engage with them. Unfortunately my wife will be working closing shifts at the major pharmacy chain she works for in the urban area. They have been taking precautions to keep the controlled substances the rioters like to take locked away. I have been weighing going at night to be there in case there is trouble when she is getting off and trying to leave.

  51. NorrhsideDude Avatar
    NorrhsideDude

    Hey, y’all should check out some of the local RVA Antifa folks on Twitter (they’re easy to find on Google and it appears they don’t get censored). Looks like today’s protest goes from Monroe Park to Carytown. Hopefully the small businesses survive, but glad I don’t have large glass windows with nice goods in plain view.
    Looking Mr Haners post it looks like they might be making good on “Coming to the Suburbs and Taking”.

    1. Atlas Rand Avatar
      Atlas Rand

      I’ll keep all you city dwellers in my prayers. They may head out to the close by suburbs, ie Chesterfield, Henrico, etc., but can’t imagine we’ll ever see any out here in the rural areas. They aren’t that dumb, too many people who would be happy to engage with them. Unfortunately my wife will be working closing shifts at the major pharmacy chain she works for in the urban area. They have been taking precautions to keep the controlled substances the rioters like to take locked away. I have been weighing going at night to be there in case there is trouble when she is getting off and trying to leave.

  52. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Bacon. Unions protect bad guys on the police force. To use the daily beast’s language “total bullshit!”

    1. kls59 Avatar

      Peter; so unions are bad. got it. i guess we’ll see once Virginia’s Right to Work law dissipates.

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        Sharp comment. Good.

        But Peter likely will reply that unions are bad only if they look after the interests of the men in blue, cops.

  53. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Reed, well tut, tut! This is the 21st century.

  54. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I wonder how many of these Twitter messages, such as the one Steve got, and Facebook posts originated with a Russian bot.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Certainly possible.

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        I suspect Nancy boy did it.

    2. MAdams Avatar

      Russia completed their goal of causing chaos. If you’re looking for an outside foreign actor, I suggest you look at the Chinese looking for payback.

      Even though I’m not sure how they require payback, they’ve stolen my information 3 times from the OPM.

  55. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    I wonder how many of these Twitter messages, such as the one Steve got, and Facebook posts originated with a Russian bot.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      Certainly possible.

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        I suspect Nancy boy did it.

    2. MAdams Avatar

      Russia completed their goal of causing chaos. If you’re looking for an outside foreign actor, I suggest you look at the Chinese looking for payback.

      Even though I’m not sure how they require payback, they’ve stolen my information 3 times from the OPM.

  56. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    yep, but hey… they’re feeding a demand! 😉

  57. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    yep, but hey… they’re feeding a demand! 😉

  58. LarrytheG Avatar
    LarrytheG

    too many Google something that appeals to their own views… and there is no shortage of “providers”……

  59. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Bacon. Unions protect bad guys on the police force. To use the daily beast’s language “total bullshit!”

    1. kls59 Avatar

      Peter; so unions are bad. got it. i guess we’ll see once Virginia’s Right to Work law dissipates.

      1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
        Reed Fawell 3rd

        Sharp comment. Good.

        But Peter likely will reply that unions are bad only if they look after the interests of the men in blue, cops.

  60. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    To use the daily beast’s language “total bullshit!”

    Seems to me like a reason to disregard daily beast’s opinion, given their own language.

  61. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
    Reed Fawell 3rd

    To use the daily beast’s language “total bullshit!”

    Seems to me like a reason to disregard daily beast’s opinion, given their own language.

  62. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Reed, well tut, tut! This is the 21st century.

    1. Reed Fawell 3rd Avatar
      Reed Fawell 3rd

      No, Peter, “total bullshit!” describing the judgement process of general class of people all over the country under many different fact patterns is the sure sign of extreme bias, and irresponsible journalism in the extreme, and it always will be by the standards of fair, open minded people and readers, and all reasonable standards of the journalistic trade in any century and rag worth reading.

  63. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    No Reed. You had better take the Daily Beast seriously. Our time is passing. Don’t you get that?

  64. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    No Reed. You had better take the Daily Beast seriously. Our time is passing. Don’t you get that?

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