How Electricity “Capacity” Markets Work

There has been a lively discussion in the comments threads of recent Bacon’s Rebellion posts about what lessons Virginia can learn from the near-collapse of Texas’ electric grid. A key difference between the two states is that Texas maintains its own reliability council, ERCOT, while Virginia belongs to an interstate compact, PJM. Both organizations administer auctions to sell electricity in near-real time. Unlike Texas, PJM maintains a market for future electricity “capacity.” The role of capacity markets is hard for most people (including me) to wrap their heads around. But reader Allen Barringer (Acbar), a retired utility regulatory lawyer, gives it a shot. — JAB

The concept of reliability in electricity grids is probabilistic. There is no such thing as absolute certainty of reliability. In general, the acceptable risk of an outage is defined by the North American Electric Reliability Corporation (NERC), a standards-setting organization regulated by the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission (FERC), which sits atop around a dozen regional reliability councils whose members are the utilities and Independent System Operators (ISOs) that run the electric grid. The reliability criterion is that consumers should not lose electric service as the result of problems on the “bulk power” electric grid more often than one day in 10 years.

State regulatory authorities such as Virginia’s State Corporation Commission (SCC) don’t regulate the bulk power grid; they focus on local reliability issues like distribution line outages. But the states also regulate retail electric rates and, in Virginia, the SCC reviews the “integrated resource plans” (IRPs) of the retail electric companies.  

If you know how much risk of involuntary outage to customers you can tolerate, how do you translate that into generation and transmission policy? That’s what electric utility planning and its regulatory spin-offs like the Integrated Resource Plan are all about.

The planning used to be entirely up to the utilities and their state regulators. FERC entered the picture mainly when it came to the reliability of wholesale supply to distribution cooperatives and municipals. That changed in a big way with the advent of independently owned generation companies, which put the competitive squeeze on utility-owned generation built on a cost-plus basis. The independents demanded equal (“common carrier”) treatment by transmission owners.

How we got to where we are. Legislation back in the Carter years discouraged the use of natural gas, which was scarce in those days, and encouraged “cogeneration” by little independent generators and DIY homeowner solar based on “avoided cost” compensation. That led eventually to the deregulation of generation by the states and the establishment by FERC of wholesale electricity markets bound together by common-carrier transmission facilities and managed by independent system operators — all the changes of the 1980s and ’90s.

PJM now has an independent role in transmission planning and in planning capacity connections to the grid and capacity adequacy for Load Serving Entities (commonly referred to as LSEs, a term for electric companies). PJM has a broader, more interstate (regional) view than a single utility. It can’t order new facilities to be built — only FERC or the state commissions can do that — but it can blow the whistle early on problems, and its tariff provisions for LSEs give incentives (e.g., capacity market payments) for unregulated generators to cooperate.  State regulators now regularly call in PJM for its views on things like IRP filings by their regulated utilities.

A formerly fully-integrated Virginia Electric & Power, responsible for its own reliability and reviewed only by the SCC, is now broken down into jurisdictional layers:  a collection of Dominion generators selling to PJM on the same terms as the independents, essentially unregulated except through markets regulated by the FERC; a set of bulk power transmission facilities now comprising the “Dominion Zone” of PJM and operated under PJM direction but still owned and maintained by Vepco, all regulated by FERC; a set of distribution facilities owned, operated and maintained entirely by Vepco and regulated by Virginia (I’m leaving North Carolina out of this simplified discussion), and retail sales of electricity to customers by its load-serving entity or “LSE” unit, with rates and service regulated by Virginia (again I’m leaving out N.C. and non-jurisdictional/ military customers here). In addition to the investor-owned utilities (IOUs), Virginia’s electric coops and municipal utilities have an LSE function — in their case that’s about all they do, except as co-owners of generation through ODEC.  

Modern utility ratemaking has always distinguished between fixed and variable cost recovery. The calculation of avoided cost also has a fixed cost and a variable cost component. The power pools that pre-dated the ISOs dispatched their generation based on variable costs, so it was a natural evolution to base the new energy markets on variable costs and create “capacity” markets for transferring entitlements based on fixed costs. People got used to thinking about generation costs that way.

Economists will tell you that separate energy and capacity (variable and fixed cost) markets are unnecessary; you can in theory recover all your costs through a “pure” auction-based energy market with bids for sell and buy prices that could go sky-high in a shortfall — and that’s what Texas’ ERCOT tried to establish. FERC, however, bought into the nascent Northeast/Mid-Atlantic/Midwest ISO arguments for a separate capacity marketplace, partly for market price stability (which the LSEs and state regulators wanted) but mainly as a way to provide the system operator with sufficient resources contractually rather than point fingers after the fact. This in turn promoted reliability planning and early warnings in advance of reliability problems, which all the regulatory bodies liked.

How does a capacity market work? PJM is presumed to be reliable overall if its LSEs bring sufficient capacity commitments to the table contractually (including by ownership) to meet their load plus reserves. A capacity commitment means that the generator involved must deliver when called-upon (“dispatched”) by PJM, or the LSE will have to pay an extremely stiff penalty.  The generator’s location is irrelevant as long as it can deliver to the PJM backbone transmission; “bottled” generation in excess of local demand is downrated.  The generator is excused from responding if its reasonable pre-negotiated limitations on response time from cold start or “spinning-reserve” status are not met, or if it is out of service due to scheduled maintenance approved in advance by PJM, or forced out of service due to a forced outage meeting (in PJM’s judgment) reasonable criteria for such things, or unable to participate due to a transmission limitation. Overall, PJM’s reserve requirement should cover these exceptions.

The main requirement is the long-term “base” capacity market, in which LSEs have to buy delivery commitments three years out, to meet their peak forecast load (plus the PJM-assigned reserve requirement) for the delivery year. LSEs that fall short due to load adjustments or generator retirements as the planning year approaches can trade or buy in the “base residual” capacity market to adjust their capacity commitments accordingly. There are “incremental” capacity auctions for fine-tuning these amounts of available capacity as late as the day ahead of performance. But woe to the LSE that is short of capacity on the day of performance. I am summarizing, of course, but the details are easy to find here.

The PJM energy marketplace allows the generator to bid any price. Too high a bid and it won’t be called upon to run. Too low a bid and it will run but lose money. The sweet spot is to bid roughly the unit’s variable cost in the energy market and recover as much fixed cost as possible from capacity sales. All units that are dispatched are paid the market’s marginal dispatch rate, which is at least what they bid but usually more than that. Therefore, there is an income stream from energy sales above incremental Operations & Maintenance most of the time, which supplements the negotiated price generators get for their capacity commitment.

If the sum of those two sources of revenue above Operations and Maintenance (O&M) doesn’t exceed fixed costs, then the generator’s owners ought to shut it down and exit the marketplace. (Of course, if the integrated utility bypasses the market’s discipline by having its state commission include a generator’s fixed costs in the affiliated LSE’s retail rate base, rather than requiring that generation subsidiary to negotiate arms-length contracts with buyers in the capacity marketplace, there is no competition, and its regulators won’t know if the ratepayers got a good deal or a bad one.)

How about renewables? All this works pretty well for regular, fossil-fueled and nuclear generators. How can a solar or windmill unit deliver on a capacity commitment when there’s no sun or wind, or a hydro unit when there’s no water? They can’t. They are non-dispatchable. So, originally, they were excluded from capacity markets. These generator owners, however, argued successfully to FERC that they did have some value for reliability as there was a measurable probability, if not certainty, that they would be there when needed. To make a long, complicated story short, PJM now credits commitments from such units with a partial capacity value if the total commitment is not in excess of certain percentages of an LSE’s total generating capacity. It’s not much, and there’s no way under current rules that an LSE could present only renewables capacity to meet its total capacity requirement, but it’s something.

There is an ongoing FERC effort to reform capacity market pricing to deal with subsidizing low-carbon-emissions generation. This is not feel-good tokenism but a serious effort to address a more subtle problem: nuclear retirements. Nuclear fuel is no longer the bargain it used to be, and old nuclear plants coming up on life-extension expenses force a choice:  retire the unit immediately and build new, cheaper $/MWH, gas-fired generation — or ask for a subsidy of some kind from ratepayers to keep the nukes in service. Everyone who loves clean, environmentally friendly nuclear power fails to reckon with the current economics of these dinosaurs. The utilities — most nukes are owned by utilities, not independent generators — have become expert at shaking down retail regulators for payments — a good example being Dominion’s recent deal with the Connecticut public utility commission to keep its Millstone nuke in service rather than retire it.

The problem is, these subsidized nuclear units then bid into the marketplace at “artificially low” prices displacing other generators who say the regulated nukes aren’t playing by the same competition-based rules. FERC would like such payments to be recognized somehow in how these units are treated in the wholesale capacity and energy markets — but due to differences of opinion on the FERC, there has been regulatory deadlock and no progress on this front.

A similar competition-distorting issue is the “subsidy” (as some see it) that renewable generators receive from their sale of renewable energy credits (RECs) in the state-run REC markets. Those sales, of course, are driven by state mandates for ever higher percentages of renewable resource generation in an LSE’s retail sales under state jurisdiction. If in fact we ever develop a national carbon emissions trading methodology with teeth in it, then monetizing the low-carbon value of renewable resources in the wholesale capacity markets will also become a priority for the FERC and the regional transmission organizations. In short, capacity is no longer bought and sold purely on price competition, but the markets haven’t caught up. This is a big problem for the FERC right now; it has had competing proposals before it for a couple of years now (including a complicated compromise proposal from PJM) but there’s no hint where it plans to go with this issue.

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128 responses to “How Electricity “Capacity” Markets Work”

      1. The combine harvester is going to wreak havoc on those solar panels when it some time to harvest the corn…

        1. “..when it comes time to harvest…”

    1. The “Darwin battery”. I love that name.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        There’s a Darwin battery here too. Well, maybe just assault. It is a “conservative” site.

  1. LarrytheG Avatar

    This is good. A complex subject but well explained I think.

    One of the big take-aways is that PJM is more a TOP-DOWN controller of the grid rather than the grid being decentralized and truly free-market.

    PJM itself is NOT government, it’s is a private entity but subject to govt regulation whereas ERCOT is not regulated by FERC.

    Even with these differences, I’d wonder if Virginia could not get a freeze like Texas did and how PJM would make that any less damaging than ERCOT did.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar

      ERCOT is regulated by the Public Utility Commissions of Texas and the Texas Legislature, it’s subject to Government regulations.

      “Even with these differences, I’d wonder if Virginia could not get a freeze like Texas did and how PJM would make that any less damaging than ERCOT did.”

      ERCOT didn’t do any damage the entities that failed to implement lessons learned from 2011 are at fault.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        “……. whereas ERCOT is not regulated by FERC”

        ?

        is it germane that PJM IS regulated by FERC but ERCOT not?

        1. Matt Adams Avatar

          “LarrytheG | February 23, 2021 at 9:56 am | Reply
          “……. whereas ERCOT is not regulated by FERC”

          ?

          is it germane that PJM IS regulated by FERC but ERCOT not?”

          Your implication is that ERCOT isn’t regulated, it’s false. To believe that they aren’t subject to standards and regulations that align with a Federal entity is just absurd.

          The reason is it is not a party of FERC regulation is that it doesn’t partake in enough interstate transfer (which makes something subject to Federal Jurisdiction, darn that 10th Amendment).

          https://www.utilitydive.com/news/congress-texas-should-rethink-ercots-go-it-alone-approach-ferc-chair/595335/#:~:text=The%20Electric%20Reliability%20Council%20of,Utilities%20Commission%2C%20not%20by%20FERC.

          http://www.ercot.com/mktrules/compliance

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            “is it germane that PJM IS regulated by FERC but ERCOT not?”

            Your implication is that ERCOT isn’t regulated, it’s false. To believe that they aren’t subject to standards and regulations that align with a Federal entity is just absurd.”

            I did said FERC. Right?

            One of the other questions I also have is whether or not FERC mandates the capacity market that PJM has and ERCOT does not seem to or if it did , it functioned differently?

            Can a capacity market exist without interconnection beyond one state?

            and finally, could bad weather like Texas had, do similar damage to Virginia despite PJM? PJM can mandate “backup capacity” but does it also mandate “weatherization” or other hardening?

          2. Matt Adams Avatar

            Your implication is that unless something is Federally regulated it cannot operate properly, that’s a false narrative.

            A capacity market would have not helped in Texas, they had the capacity they didn’t have the supply.

            ERCOT was supposed to implement the lessons learned from 2011, which were winterization (as 2011 was a winter event as well). Obviously most entities did not winterize and they should face scrutiny and financial penalties, however that’s up to Texas, it’s Public Utility Commission and the Texas Legislature not you.

      1. The combine harvester is going to wreak havoc on those solar panels when it some time to harvest the corn…

        1. “..when it comes time to harvest…”

    1. The “Darwin battery”. I love that name.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        There’s a Darwin battery here too. Well, maybe just assault. It is a “conservative” site.

  2. vaconsumeradvocate Avatar
    vaconsumeradvocate

    One more aspect that people need to understand. When Virginia agreed to join PJM, we went from our state making a lot of decisions to turning those decisions, as well as ones about new things like capacity markets, to PJM. At PJM, our investor owned utilities have extensive, full-time staff. The utilities get votes. Virginia gets a vote. Our AG’s office manages Virginia’s involvement with PJM but doesn’t have full time staff at PJM. There’s opportunity to participate in an number of committees, but while consumers might find it possible to attend meetings at the SCC in Richmond (we used to attend a larger percent than today’s regulatory structure allows since there are so many meetings), the PJM meetings have been too far away. Consumers can’t take time off to travel and participate given the additional distance/time/costs. In short, our utilities have a lot of control over the whole system. Joining PJM was the right thing to do, but it’s a shame Virginia didn’t simultaneously invest in people to be at PJM every day so the state is always at the table, like the utilities are at the table.

    1. “Our AG’s office manages Virginia’s involvement with PJM but doesn’t have full time staff at PJM.”

      Why are you lamenting that fact? I see nothing to gain, and everything to lose.

      PJM has been doing a good job and has been making decisions based on science and mathematical probabilities. Don’t you agree? Sending attorneys and partisan political appointees would only screw it up.

      From your screen name I assume you are a consumer advocate. If so, I’m wondering who is advocating for Southside Electric Cooperative customers who have suffered a disproportionate percent of outages, and are the slowest to be restored of any in Virginia (perhaps the country). I called, and Southside is now estimating that it will take over two weeks from the first storm for everyone’s power to be restored.

      http://outage.sec.coop:8181/#

      Virginia sends crews to other states to help with emergencies, why not to assist Southside? Has Southside refused assistance because they don’t want to pay for it? What gives here?

      I am served by Southside and plan to make my concerns known, but don’t want to distract them right now from task at hand. Any information you can provide would be appreciated. I was without power for about a week and am sympathetic to others who are still without power.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I don’t know about Southside but REC apparently has an agreement with some others to come help in exchange help when they need it.

      2. FWIW I have relatives south of Farmville who remain out, like you, long after the ice storm that devastated S.E.C. This was (and remains) a local distribution catastrophe, not a generation or transmission grid failure. The best information I’ve found on what’s happening there, including a description of the tremendous assistance they are getting from other utilities (both coops and IOUs), from within Virginia and as far away as Ohio and Georgia, is here: https://www.facebook.com/SouthsideElectric/

        1. Thanks for the link.

          I wasn’t sure about Southside getting outside help because they don’t mention it on the recorded messages, nor have I seen it documented anywhere. Additionally, I’m in Southside territory and all I see are Southside trucks.

          “not a generation or transmission grid failure.”

          I’m well aware of that. What doesn’t seem to register to most commenters is that it doesn’t matter which part of the equation fails. It’s the weakest link that matters. Generation, transmission and distribution must all be work reliably or the system isn’t reliable.

          It’s like an argument I had with a guy who worked for me years ago. He insisted there was no outage of an application we hosted because the server didn’t go down. That’s true, but costumers couldn’t get to it because of a network issue. That’s an outage. It doesn’t matter to the Customers if it was a server or network issue.

          Today, only 25% of homes are all electric. Over time, we will be encouraged (and probably brow beaten) to go 100% electric. But if power isn’t reliably delivered, this puts citizens in a very vulnerable position.

          Bottom line is that distribution is just as important as generation and transmission. It’s also a harder problem to solve, and needs to be in the discussion.

          1. “it doesn’t matter which part of the equation fails. It’s the weakest link that matters.” Correct. Both the FERC and the SCC are supposed to regulate “in the public interest”; but in an emergency, all too often they have blinders on due to their limited jurisdictions — wholesale versus retail, bulk power transmission versus distribution — and the politicians on the commissions point fingers across the divide at the other side.

            The folks that actually operate and manage the grid will tell you, that divide is nothing but an artificial regulatory construct and it all has to work together seamlessly. PJM does mainly the coordination of things that ought to be coordinated anyway, and it’s all way too boring for politicians to understand, let alone interfere with. In fact much of what happens operationally is run out of the utility system control centers, with PJM running the computers to calculate the most economically beneficial response to variations in load and resources across their whole system. The planning is a joint effort largely staffed and carried out by utility and State regulatory personnel dividing up a scope of work set by common sense but coordinated by PJM and meeting FERC-approved goals.

            It always impressed me how little friction there was in these PJM working committees given the many different backgrounds represented there. Making it work seamlessly is something the folks with a utility operations background seem to take for granted.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            that said – there is a perception difference between lines down in your service area as the reason for no power – and no power available from the grid.

            If your local electric company is the reason why no power – that’s different than if there is no power available from the grid.

            which was it in Texas? which is it in Soutside?

        2. Southside’s problem was not generation (they don’t generate) or transmission. My background is in networking and telecommunications. It was what we would call “last mile” for broadband.

          I see some similarities between electricity and broadband. With broadband, Virginia focused tobacco money on transport. This was largely a waste of money because the real problem is last mile.

          Nationally and here at BR, the focus has been almost completely on generation and transmission. I think that’s a big mistake.

          The production of electricity only contributes about 27 percent of Greenhouse gas emissions. The rest will be reluctant to convert unless they can do so economically and reliably.

          https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/styles/medium/public/2020-04/total-ghg-2020.jpg

          Bottom line – If we can’t substantially improve distribution reliability, citizens will be increasingly vulnerable if they migrate from fossil fuels.

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      We now have a person very familiar with Virginia in the thick of this, with Mark Christie a voting member of FERC.

      1. Yep. Looking forward to good things there.

    3. VA Con Ad: there are two groups at PJM with substantial Virginia regulator input: The Organization of PJM States Inc.” (aka OPSI) is run by commissioners from the State Commissions of States within PJM, including from our SCC. OPSI participates in all PJM general membership meetings. The Commission staffs participate in PJM administration through their own group, the “Independent State Agencies Committee” of PJM, which works with corresponding planning and operational staff of PJM. I’d be surprised if the SCC doesn’t fully participate in these.

  3. vaconsumeradvocate Avatar
    vaconsumeradvocate

    One more aspect that people need to understand. When Virginia agreed to join PJM, we went from our state making a lot of decisions to turning those decisions, as well as ones about new things like capacity markets, to PJM. At PJM, our investor owned utilities have extensive, full-time staff. The utilities get votes. Virginia gets a vote. Our AG’s office manages Virginia’s involvement with PJM but doesn’t have full time staff at PJM. There’s opportunity to participate in an number of committees, but while consumers might find it possible to attend meetings at the SCC in Richmond (we used to attend a larger percent than today’s regulatory structure allows since there are so many meetings), the PJM meetings have been too far away. Consumers can’t take time off to travel and participate given the additional distance/time/costs. In short, our utilities have a lot of control over the whole system. Joining PJM was the right thing to do, but it’s a shame Virginia didn’t simultaneously invest in people to be at PJM every day so the state is always at the table, like the utilities are at the table.

    1. “Our AG’s office manages Virginia’s involvement with PJM but doesn’t have full time staff at PJM.”

      Why are you lamenting that fact? I see nothing to gain, and everything to lose.

      PJM has been doing a good job and has been making decisions based on science and mathematical probabilities. Don’t you agree? Sending attorneys and partisan political appointees would only screw it up.

      From your screen name I assume you are a consumer advocate. If so, I’m wondering who is advocating for Southside Electric Cooperative customers who have suffered a disproportionate percent of outages, and are the slowest to be restored of any in Virginia (perhaps the country). I called, and Southside is now estimating that it will take over two weeks from the first storm for everyone’s power to be restored.

      http://outage.sec.coop:8181/#

      Virginia sends crews to other states to help with emergencies, why not to assist Southside? Has Southside refused assistance because they don’t want to pay for it? What gives here?

      I am served by Southside and plan to make my concerns known, but don’t want to distract them right now from task at hand. Any information you can provide would be appreciated. I was without power for about a week and am sympathetic to others who are still without power.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        I don’t know about Southside but REC apparently has an agreement with some others to come help in exchange help when they need it.

      2. FWIW I have relatives south of Farmville who remain out, like you, long after the ice storm that devastated S.E.C. This was (and remains) a local distribution catastrophe, not a generation or transmission grid failure. The best information I’ve found on what’s happening there, including a description of the tremendous assistance they are getting from other utilities (both coops and IOUs), from within Virginia and as far away as Ohio and Georgia, is here: https://www.facebook.com/SouthsideElectric/

        1. Thanks for the link.

          I wasn’t sure about Southside getting outside help because they don’t mention it on the recorded messages, nor have I seen it documented anywhere. Additionally, I’m in Southside territory and all I see are Southside trucks.

          “not a generation or transmission grid failure.”

          I’m well aware of that. What doesn’t seem to register to most commenters is that it doesn’t matter which part of the equation fails. It’s the weakest link that matters. Generation, transmission and distribution must all be work reliably or the system isn’t reliable.

          It’s like an argument I had with a guy who worked for me years ago. He insisted there was no outage of an application we hosted because the server didn’t go down. That’s true, but costumers couldn’t get to it because of a network issue. That’s an outage. It doesn’t matter to the Customers if it was a server or network issue.

          Today, only 25% of homes are all electric. Over time, we will be encouraged (and probably brow beaten) to go 100% electric. But if power isn’t reliably delivered, this puts citizens in a very vulnerable position.

          Bottom line is that distribution is just as important as generation and transmission. It’s also a harder problem to solve, and needs to be in the discussion.

          1. “it doesn’t matter which part of the equation fails. It’s the weakest link that matters.” Correct. Both the FERC and the SCC are supposed to regulate “in the public interest”; but in an emergency, all too often they have blinders on due to their limited jurisdictions — wholesale versus retail, bulk power transmission versus distribution — and the politicians on the commissions point fingers across the divide at the other side.

            The folks that actually operate and manage the grid will tell you, that divide is nothing but an artificial regulatory construct and it all has to work together seamlessly. PJM does mainly the coordination of things that ought to be coordinated anyway, and it’s all way too boring for politicians to understand, let alone interfere with. In fact much of what happens operationally is run out of the utility system control centers, with PJM running the computers to calculate the most economically beneficial response to variations in load and resources across their whole system. The planning is a joint effort largely staffed and carried out by utility and State regulatory personnel dividing up a scope of work set by common sense but coordinated by PJM and meeting FERC-approved goals.

            It always impressed me how little friction there was in these PJM working committees given the many different backgrounds represented there. Making it work seamlessly is something the folks with a utility operations background seem to take for granted.

          2. LarrytheG Avatar

            that said – there is a perception difference between lines down in your service area as the reason for no power – and no power available from the grid.

            If your local electric company is the reason why no power – that’s different than if there is no power available from the grid.

            which was it in Texas? which is it in Soutside?

        2. Southside’s problem was not generation (they don’t generate) or transmission. My background is in networking and telecommunications. It was what we would call “last mile” for broadband.

          I see some similarities between electricity and broadband. With broadband, Virginia focused tobacco money on transport. This was largely a waste of money because the real problem is last mile.

          Nationally and here at BR, the focus has been almost completely on generation and transmission. I think that’s a big mistake.

          The production of electricity only contributes about 27 percent of Greenhouse gas emissions. The rest will be reluctant to convert unless they can do so economically and reliably.

          https://www.epa.gov/sites/production/files/styles/medium/public/2020-04/total-ghg-2020.jpg

          Bottom line – If we can’t substantially improve distribution reliability, citizens will be increasingly vulnerable if they migrate from fossil fuels.

    2. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      We now have a person very familiar with Virginia in the thick of this, with Mark Christie a voting member of FERC.

      1. Yep. Looking forward to good things there.

    3. VA Con Ad: there are two groups at PJM with substantial Virginia regulator input: The Organization of PJM States Inc.” (aka OPSI) is run by commissioners from the State Commissions of States within PJM, including from our SCC. OPSI participates in all PJM general membership meetings. The Commission staffs participate in PJM administration through their own group, the “Independent State Agencies Committee” of PJM, which works with corresponding planning and operational staff of PJM. I’d be surprised if the SCC doesn’t fully participate in these.

  4. LarrytheG Avatar

    This is good. A complex subject but well explained I think.

    One of the big take-aways is that PJM is more a TOP-DOWN controller of the grid rather than the grid being decentralized and truly free-market.

    PJM itself is NOT government, it’s is a private entity but subject to govt regulation whereas ERCOT is not regulated by FERC.

    Even with these differences, I’d wonder if Virginia could not get a freeze like Texas did and how PJM would make that any less damaging than ERCOT did.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar

      ERCOT is regulated by the Public Utility Commissions of Texas and the Texas Legislature, it’s subject to Government regulations.

      “Even with these differences, I’d wonder if Virginia could not get a freeze like Texas did and how PJM would make that any less damaging than ERCOT did.”

      ERCOT didn’t do any damage the entities that failed to implement lessons learned from 2011 are at fault.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        “……. whereas ERCOT is not regulated by FERC”

        ?

        is it germane that PJM IS regulated by FERC but ERCOT not?

        1. Matt Adams Avatar

          “LarrytheG | February 23, 2021 at 9:56 am | Reply
          “……. whereas ERCOT is not regulated by FERC”

          ?

          is it germane that PJM IS regulated by FERC but ERCOT not?”

          Your implication is that ERCOT isn’t regulated, it’s false. To believe that they aren’t subject to standards and regulations that align with a Federal entity is just absurd.

          The reason is it is not a party of FERC regulation is that it doesn’t partake in enough interstate transfer (which makes something subject to Federal Jurisdiction, darn that 10th Amendment).

          https://www.utilitydive.com/news/congress-texas-should-rethink-ercots-go-it-alone-approach-ferc-chair/595335/#:~:text=The%20Electric%20Reliability%20Council%20of,Utilities%20Commission%2C%20not%20by%20FERC.

          http://www.ercot.com/mktrules/compliance

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            “is it germane that PJM IS regulated by FERC but ERCOT not?”

            Your implication is that ERCOT isn’t regulated, it’s false. To believe that they aren’t subject to standards and regulations that align with a Federal entity is just absurd.”

            I did said FERC. Right?

            One of the other questions I also have is whether or not FERC mandates the capacity market that PJM has and ERCOT does not seem to or if it did , it functioned differently?

            Can a capacity market exist without interconnection beyond one state?

            and finally, could bad weather like Texas had, do similar damage to Virginia despite PJM? PJM can mandate “backup capacity” but does it also mandate “weatherization” or other hardening?

          2. Matt Adams Avatar

            Your implication is that unless something is Federally regulated it cannot operate properly, that’s a false narrative.

            A capacity market would have not helped in Texas, they had the capacity they didn’t have the supply.

            ERCOT was supposed to implement the lessons learned from 2011, which were winterization (as 2011 was a winter event as well). Obviously most entities did not winterize and they should face scrutiny and financial penalties, however that’s up to Texas, it’s Public Utility Commission and the Texas Legislature not you.

  5. This info just came to my attention, not sure who is right and who is wrong. Just saying…

    “… The pro-renewables crowd have been spinning the lie that thermal electricity sources (coal/nuclear/gas) were the culprit in the Texas rolling blackout fiasco. This is now undeniably false. The chart below shows electricity generation by source through end-of-day 2/16/21. While there was a slight decrease in coal and nuclear electric, the wind component went to near zero while natural gas increased from about 25,000 MWHrs to ~42,000 MWH. Natural gas is NOT the culprit, it is the hero.”

    as I mentioned yesterday, cause seems to be lack of winterization. Fuel choice is a political football that everyone wants to derive as their choice held up best, and we shouls hate the other power choices.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      This is that chart referenced I suspect, so reprinted….It reflects what happened within ERCOT’s Texas footprint, which is most of the land and even more of the population.

      https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2021/02/ERCOT-Crisis.jpg

    2. Any fuel choice you pick has limitations and potential problems affecting how you use it. After all, every generator is simply a way of converting some other form of energy into electricity. Winterizing the pipelines and the steam turbines used in these particular generators doesn’t address the climate-change implications of gas versus renewables; it simply deals with common sense concerns about the reliability and practicality of what you’ve already built to keep the lights on during a hard freeze.

      1. “Any fuel choice you pick has limitations and potential problems affecting how you use it.”

        The key being “how you use it.” A mix of fuels with different characteristics can be manageable because while they all have weaknesses, they are different. The problem comes in when one relies too heavily on fuels with similar weaknesses, like wind and solar.

  6. This info just came to my attention, not sure who is right and who is wrong. Just saying…

    “… The pro-renewables crowd have been spinning the lie that thermal electricity sources (coal/nuclear/gas) were the culprit in the Texas rolling blackout fiasco. This is now undeniably false. The chart below shows electricity generation by source through end-of-day 2/16/21. While there was a slight decrease in coal and nuclear electric, the wind component went to near zero while natural gas increased from about 25,000 MWHrs to ~42,000 MWH. Natural gas is NOT the culprit, it is the hero.”

    as I mentioned yesterday, cause seems to be lack of winterization. Fuel choice is a political football that everyone wants to derive as their choice held up best, and we shouls hate the other power choices.

    1. Steve Haner Avatar
      Steve Haner

      This is that chart referenced I suspect, so reprinted….It reflects what happened within ERCOT’s Texas footprint, which is most of the land and even more of the population.

      https://www.baconsrebellion.com/app/uploads/2021/02/ERCOT-Crisis.jpg

    2. Any fuel choice you pick has limitations and potential problems affecting how you use it. After all, every generator is simply a way of converting some other form of energy into electricity. Winterizing the pipelines and the steam turbines used in these particular generators doesn’t address the climate-change implications of gas versus renewables; it simply deals with common sense concerns about the reliability and practicality of what you’ve already built to keep the lights on during a hard freeze.

      1. “Any fuel choice you pick has limitations and potential problems affecting how you use it.”

        The key being “how you use it.” A mix of fuels with different characteristics can be manageable because while they all have weaknesses, they are different. The problem comes in when one relies too heavily on fuels with similar weaknesses, like wind and solar.

  7. Jim Bacon said-
    “How we got to where we are. Legislation back in the Carter years discouraged the use of natural gas, which was scarce in those days…”

    Also that nat gas shortage caused a ban in home construction with natural gas in some areas of the Northeast such as NJ and Va. NJ we went with oil heat due to sky-high elec costs, but sounds like Va. went with elec heat pumps due to lower cost elec in Va. at the time. So that presumably explains why Va. already uses more household electricity than most states (which are using gas/oil/etc).

    Both my NJ and Va. homes were built during the Northeast gas hook-up ban, and both houses were eventually converted to nat gas by the homeowners, about 10-years after the ban. In the NJ case, I was homeowner who made the switch to gas.

    1. Interesting point. Competing demand for natural gas to heat homes directly as well as to generate electricity for heat pumps contributed to the recent shortages in Texas.

      The reasons for the Carter years shortages of gas lie in the regulation (many would say over-regulation) of well-head prices by the FERC. That agency had to learn when and how to de-regulate. This was back when deregulatory currents were running through the communications and airline and railroad industries (and their regulators) as well. And the same movement gave birth to the deregulation of electric generation and creation of the wholesale energy markets that the ISOs run today.

      So guess what? Now we have an abundance of gas from such sources as fracking, extracted in parts of the country long thought to be without such resources. Yet renewable energy generation such as wind and solar is able to compete on price alone. Wind and solar are cost savers, not just feel-good sources of energy. It’s true, however, that those are not “dependable” capacity in the same way as fossil-fueled plants, and that is the challenge for electricity reliability for the future.

      1. Above 2 posts you are softly stating liberal position, that no matter what anybody says, you feel renewables are way best and way cheapest and save all human life versus the bad guys who are opposite on all above counts.

        I’ll let is pass for now except to say off-shore wind is a whole new cost category.

        1. I don’t arrive at that “cheapest” conclusion from ideology but from the facts. There is no means of electric generation without some negatives and between us I’m sure we can easily list a bunch of them for solar and for wind power too, notably including their intermittent nature and aesthetics. But when these “renewables” are available, they provide the most inexpensive power out there, even when amortizing the sunk costs of building these plants.

          And I think there is a significant positive, particularly for solar: any industrial or commercial building can put solar collectors on the roof; and a solar “farm” can provide a farmer being squeezed off his land with an alternative to selling out to real estate development. If circumstances change, a solar array is relatively easy to remove from the roof or the land (and even reinstall elsewhere) and leaves behind no ground pollution. That’s more than can be said for a coal-powered (or even a gas-fired) steam generating plant. On the whole, I’m glad we have the solar and wind alternatives.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar

            Just for an “aesthetics” point of view, I think Canada does a magnificent job with their Hydro.

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Canada would do well. They own 1/5 of the world’s fresh water.

          3. Matt Adams Avatar

            “Nancy_Naive | February 23, 2021 at 3:16 pm |
            Canada would do well. They own 1/5 of the world’s fresh water.”

            They have 7% and the utilize that renewable energy for power generation.

          4. “If circumstances change, a solar array is relatively easy to remove from the roof or the land (and even reinstall elsewhere) and leaves behind no ground pollution.”

            There are also potential problems with the disposal of solar panels which must be dealt with, or we’re just swapping one environmental hazard for another. I don’t believe the U.S. is currently equipped to deal with the disposal issue.

            “In fact, if recycling processes were not put in place, there would be 60 million tons of PV panels waste lying in landfills by the year 2050; since all PV cells contain certain amount of toxic substances, that would truly become a not-so-sustainable way of sourcing energy.”

            https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/2017/10/the-opportunities-of-solar-panel-recycling

    2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      In early 1980, I was transferred from Omaha to Des Moines, the latter having higher housing costs. Between J. Carter’s energy policies and sky-high interest rates, I was only able to buy one-half of a side-by-side duplex, with a heat pump. Heat pumps and central Iowa were not made for each other. Most cold winter days, I was 100% on electric resistance heat. And my winter electric bills sometimes bordered 2/3 of my house payment.

      Iowa Power (who knows what it’s named now) was a summer peaking utility and the state commission allowed it to offer discounted rates to all electric customers in the winter only. The Iowa Legislature passed a bill sponsored by my local state legislator that eliminated the discount. I contacted the dork and provided him with multiple pages of the state commission’s findings that the discounted winter rates benefited all ratepayers. Needless to say, the guy would not respond to me. I dropped the battle because in the fall of that year, before I had to suffer more financial pain, I was transferred to Washington, D.C.

      It was an eye-opening experience, as I realized Democrats (the dork was a D) weren’t always concerned about ordinary people when ideology was involved (reduce power usage irrespective of the facts or the impact on others). In 1984 (in Iowa), I voted for a Republican for the first time in my life. In 1985 (in Virginia), I voted for a Democrat for the last time in my life.

  8. Jim Bacon said-
    “How we got to where we are. Legislation back in the Carter years discouraged the use of natural gas, which was scarce in those days…”

    Also that nat gas shortage caused a ban in home construction with natural gas in some areas of the Northeast such as NJ and Va. NJ we went with oil heat due to sky-high elec costs, but sounds like Va. went with elec heat pumps due to lower cost elec in Va. at the time. So that presumably explains why Va. already uses more household electricity than most states (which are using gas/oil/etc).

    Both my NJ and Va. homes were built during the Northeast gas hook-up ban, and both houses were eventually converted to nat gas by the homeowners, about 10-years after the ban. In the NJ case, I was homeowner who made the switch to gas.

    1. Interesting point. Competing demand for natural gas to heat homes directly as well as to generate electricity for heat pumps contributed to the recent shortages in Texas.

      The reasons for the Carter years shortages of gas lie in the regulation (many would say over-regulation) of well-head prices by the FERC. That agency had to learn when and how to de-regulate. This was back when deregulatory currents were running through the communications and airline and railroad industries (and their regulators) as well. And the same movement gave birth to the deregulation of electric generation and creation of the wholesale energy markets that the ISOs run today.

      So guess what? Now we have an abundance of gas from such sources as fracking, extracted in parts of the country long thought to be without such resources. Yet renewable energy generation such as wind and solar is able to compete on price alone. Wind and solar are cost savers, not just feel-good sources of energy. It’s true, however, that those are not “dependable” capacity in the same way as fossil-fueled plants, and that is the challenge for electricity reliability for the future.

      1. Above 2 posts you are softly stating liberal position, that no matter what anybody says, you feel renewables are way best and way cheapest and save all human life versus the bad guys who are opposite on all above counts.

        I’ll let is pass for now except to say off-shore wind is a whole new cost category.

        1. I don’t arrive at that “cheapest” conclusion from ideology but from the facts. There is no means of electric generation without some negatives and between us I’m sure we can easily list a bunch of them for solar and for wind power too, notably including their intermittent nature and aesthetics. But when these “renewables” are available, they provide the most inexpensive power out there, even when amortizing the sunk costs of building these plants.

          And I think there is a significant positive, particularly for solar: any industrial or commercial building can put solar collectors on the roof; and a solar “farm” can provide a farmer being squeezed off his land with an alternative to selling out to real estate development. If circumstances change, a solar array is relatively easy to remove from the roof or the land (and even reinstall elsewhere) and leaves behind no ground pollution. That’s more than can be said for a coal-powered (or even a gas-fired) steam generating plant. On the whole, I’m glad we have the solar and wind alternatives.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar

            “Nancy_Naive | February 23, 2021 at 3:16 pm |
            Canada would do well. They own 1/5 of the world’s fresh water.”

            They have 7% and the utilize that renewable energy for power generation.

          2. Matt Adams Avatar

            Just for an “aesthetics” point of view, I think Canada does a magnificent job with their Hydro.

          3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Canada would do well. They own 1/5 of the world’s fresh water.

          4. “If circumstances change, a solar array is relatively easy to remove from the roof or the land (and even reinstall elsewhere) and leaves behind no ground pollution.”

            There are also potential problems with the disposal of solar panels which must be dealt with, or we’re just swapping one environmental hazard for another. I don’t believe the U.S. is currently equipped to deal with the disposal issue.

            “In fact, if recycling processes were not put in place, there would be 60 million tons of PV panels waste lying in landfills by the year 2050; since all PV cells contain certain amount of toxic substances, that would truly become a not-so-sustainable way of sourcing energy.”

            https://www.greenmatch.co.uk/blog/2017/10/the-opportunities-of-solar-panel-recycling

    2. TooManyTaxes Avatar
      TooManyTaxes

      In early 1980, I was transferred from Omaha to Des Moines, the latter having higher housing costs. Between J. Carter’s energy policies and sky-high interest rates, I was only able to buy one-half of a side-by-side duplex, with a heat pump. Heat pumps and central Iowa were not made for each other. Most cold winter days, I was 100% on electric resistance heat. And my winter electric bills sometimes bordered 2/3 of my house payment.

      Iowa Power (who knows what it’s named now) was a summer peaking utility and the state commission allowed it to offer discounted rates to all electric customers in the winter only. The Iowa Legislature passed a bill sponsored by my local state legislator that eliminated the discount. I contacted the dork and provided him with multiple pages of the state commission’s findings that the discounted winter rates benefited all ratepayers. Needless to say, the guy would not respond to me. I dropped the battle because in the fall of that year, before I had to suffer more financial pain, I was transferred to Washington, D.C.

      It was an eye-opening experience, as I realized Democrats (the dork was a D) weren’t always concerned about ordinary people when ideology was involved (reduce power usage irrespective of the facts or the impact on others). In 1984 (in Iowa), I voted for a Republican for the first time in my life. In 1985 (in Virginia), I voted for a Democrat for the last time in my life.

  9. VDOTyranny Avatar

    Speaking of reliability… lets say you $8billion (the cost of an offshore windmill power plant) divided by say 3m households ~ $2,600 that could be put towards a back-up generator

  10. VDOTyranny Avatar

    Speaking of reliability… lets say you $8billion (the cost of an offshore windmill power plant) divided by say 3m households ~ $2,600 that could be put towards a back-up generator

  11. LarrytheG Avatar

    re: Matt Adams | February 23, 2021 at 10:22 am |
    Your implication is that unless something is Federally regulated it cannot operate properly, that’s a false narrative.”

    No implication at all.

    I’m basically asking what did FERC require (if anything) PJM to do that they would not have done without FERC directives AND if ERCOT failed to do what FERC would have required them to do – like a capacity market (if FERC is the one who directed it?) ?

    I’m actually trying to give ERCOT a benefit of the doubt as well as questioning that PJM, even with FERC would not have had similar “supply” issues from bad weather.

    So, it’s this statement that Acbar made: ” The reliability criterion is that consumers should not lose electric service as the result of problems on the “bulk power” electric grid more often than one day in 10 years” That sounds like a NERC/FERC rule. Did ERCOT also have such a rule of it’s own like that?

    re: ” A capacity market would have not helped in Texas, they had the capacity they didn’t have the supply.”

    Seems like such a capacity market would not help PJM either is they had the same type weather unless that FERC rule actually required more “capacity” to meet that standard.

    This will play out as more is known.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar

      “I’m basically asking what did FERC require (if anything) PJM to do that they would not have done without FERC directives AND if ERCOT failed to do what FERC would have required them to do – like a capacity market (if FERC is the one who directed it?) ?”

      That would be location dependent and based upon 100 years events. Texas should’ve implemented the bare minimum items to ensure generation with a winter event. They didn’t, as they didn’t see the ROI was worth planning for a 100 year occurrence, obviously they gambled wrong and had issues.

      Much the same occurs with regulation violations from the Federal Government, the costs are negotiated at the end of the year.

      “Seems like such a capacity market would not help PJM either is they had the same type weather unless that FERC rule actually required more “capacity” to meet that standard.”

      Correct a capacity market will not help if you do not have the supply.

      Texas had that many times over, as I stated previously and Acbar again stated. NG supply was not only decreased because of the conditions (temperature), the weather event (winter storm), but household requirements as well. The NG supply used to feed the Generation plants is the same that is used to heat the houses.

    2. Are sub-stations considered part of the “bulk power” electric grid?

      1. In general, yes.

        The grid comprises both transmission lines (bulk power) and distribution lines (local delivery). The dividing line between “transmission” (FERC regulated) and “distribution” (State regulated) is murky and depends on function as much as voltage, but if the lines into a substation are deemed transmission, then it’s likely considered a “transmission substation.” Around Virginia a power line of 115 kV or higher is usually transmission, and below 69kV is usually distribution; 69kV is in the murky middle.

        Both transmission and distribution are part of the “grid.” The split in jurisdiction, however, also results in a split in how they are operated to some extent. The big ISOs like PJM mainly get involved directly in transmission switching and leave the distribution switching to the local utility. Again, there’s not a clean line here — it all has to work seamlessly to keep the lights on.

        1. Thank you for the explanation.

    3. I am not an expert in how, or what Texas reliability standards apply to, how ERCOT is run. What I do know is that ERCOT is not directly regulated by the FERC like the rest of the country’s ISOs are.

      A capacity market would not necessarily have saved Texas from this calamity. Texas has plenty of generating capacity currently; it simply lost a huge chunk of it at an inopportune moment. Had Texas applied “lessons learned” from the cold winter of 2011 it would have been better prepared; but even that event did not test the Texas grid as harshly as this year’s Arctic blast. What a capacity market does is provide an early head’s up to the entire industry in case new generation construction declines and shortages loom. The three year advance commitment requirement in PJM is enough advance warning that if LSEs cannot find enough capacity and prices escalate, there is still time for the market to respond, time to build more. The capacity plus energy market combination also reduces the sharp price escalation we’ve seen in Texas where there’s an energy-only market. And the advance-commitment aspect of the capacity market gives the ISO the opportunity to check more carefully into things like the readiness and willingness of generator owners to keep their units on line even when the going gets touch. A capacity market can send the right signals, create the right incentives, for generators NOT to simply shut down, as so many apparently did in Texas because there was no downside for doing so (other than lost energy revenue).

    4. One other comment on Texas vs the rest of the US: it’s obvious that greater interconnection between Texas and the outside electric grid would have been helpful here. Yes, electricity demand was up outside Texas as well, but there was excess generating capability available. ERCOT avoided transmission interconnection for legal, jurisdictional reasons, not because it was good for reliability or for customers; on the contrary, stronger transmission connections help spread the risk of a shortfall over a much larger area and that helps everyone involved. Texans may argue that as a result of excluding the federal regulatory “beast” they have cheaper electricity and a more vibrant economy, but after the costs of this outage are factored in, we will see if that’s really true. In any case, the main reason Texas electricity is cheap is the ready availability of cheap natural gas fuel, and even cheaper wind power from the West Texas downslope off the Rockies. FERC regulation has nothing to do with those geographic advantages.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Well, it is “a whole ‘nother country.”

  12. LarrytheG Avatar

    re: Matt Adams | February 23, 2021 at 10:22 am |
    Your implication is that unless something is Federally regulated it cannot operate properly, that’s a false narrative.”

    No implication at all.

    I’m basically asking what did FERC require (if anything) PJM to do that they would not have done without FERC directives AND if ERCOT failed to do what FERC would have required them to do – like a capacity market (if FERC is the one who directed it?) ?

    I’m actually trying to give ERCOT a benefit of the doubt as well as questioning that PJM, even with FERC would not have had similar “supply” issues from bad weather.

    So, it’s this statement that Acbar made: ” The reliability criterion is that consumers should not lose electric service as the result of problems on the “bulk power” electric grid more often than one day in 10 years” That sounds like a NERC/FERC rule. Did ERCOT also have such a rule of it’s own like that?

    re: ” A capacity market would have not helped in Texas, they had the capacity they didn’t have the supply.”

    Seems like such a capacity market would not help PJM either is they had the same type weather unless that FERC rule actually required more “capacity” to meet that standard.

    This will play out as more is known.

    1. One other comment on Texas vs the rest of the US: it’s obvious that greater interconnection between Texas and the outside electric grid would have been helpful here. Yes, electricity demand was up outside Texas as well, but there was excess generating capability available. ERCOT avoided transmission interconnection for legal, jurisdictional reasons, not because it was good for reliability or for customers; on the contrary, stronger transmission connections help spread the risk of a shortfall over a much larger area and that helps everyone involved. Texans may argue that as a result of excluding the federal regulatory “beast” they have cheaper electricity and a more vibrant economy, but after the costs of this outage are factored in, we will see if that’s really true. In any case, the main reason Texas electricity is cheap is the ready availability of cheap natural gas fuel, and even cheaper wind power from the West Texas downslope off the Rockies. FERC regulation has nothing to do with those geographic advantages.

      1. Nancy_Naive Avatar
        Nancy_Naive

        Well, it is “a whole ‘nother country.”

    2. Matt Adams Avatar

      “I’m basically asking what did FERC require (if anything) PJM to do that they would not have done without FERC directives AND if ERCOT failed to do what FERC would have required them to do – like a capacity market (if FERC is the one who directed it?) ?”

      That would be location dependent and based upon 100 years events. Texas should’ve implemented the bare minimum items to ensure generation with a winter event. They didn’t, as they didn’t see the ROI was worth planning for a 100 year occurrence, obviously they gambled wrong and had issues.

      Much the same occurs with regulation violations from the Federal Government, the costs are negotiated at the end of the year.

      “Seems like such a capacity market would not help PJM either is they had the same type weather unless that FERC rule actually required more “capacity” to meet that standard.”

      Correct a capacity market will not help if you do not have the supply.

      Texas had that many times over, as I stated previously and Acbar again stated. NG supply was not only decreased because of the conditions (temperature), the weather event (winter storm), but household requirements as well. The NG supply used to feed the Generation plants is the same that is used to heat the houses.

    3. Are sub-stations considered part of the “bulk power” electric grid?

      1. In general, yes.

        The grid comprises both transmission lines (bulk power) and distribution lines (local delivery). The dividing line between “transmission” (FERC regulated) and “distribution” (State regulated) is murky and depends on function as much as voltage, but if the lines into a substation are deemed transmission, then it’s likely considered a “transmission substation.” Around Virginia a power line of 115 kV or higher is usually transmission, and below 69kV is usually distribution; 69kV is in the murky middle.

        Both transmission and distribution are part of the “grid.” The split in jurisdiction, however, also results in a split in how they are operated to some extent. The big ISOs like PJM mainly get involved directly in transmission switching and leave the distribution switching to the local utility. Again, there’s not a clean line here — it all has to work seamlessly to keep the lights on.

        1. Thank you for the explanation.

    4. I am not an expert in how, or what Texas reliability standards apply to, how ERCOT is run. What I do know is that ERCOT is not directly regulated by the FERC like the rest of the country’s ISOs are.

      A capacity market would not necessarily have saved Texas from this calamity. Texas has plenty of generating capacity currently; it simply lost a huge chunk of it at an inopportune moment. Had Texas applied “lessons learned” from the cold winter of 2011 it would have been better prepared; but even that event did not test the Texas grid as harshly as this year’s Arctic blast. What a capacity market does is provide an early head’s up to the entire industry in case new generation construction declines and shortages loom. The three year advance commitment requirement in PJM is enough advance warning that if LSEs cannot find enough capacity and prices escalate, there is still time for the market to respond, time to build more. The capacity plus energy market combination also reduces the sharp price escalation we’ve seen in Texas where there’s an energy-only market. And the advance-commitment aspect of the capacity market gives the ISO the opportunity to check more carefully into things like the readiness and willingness of generator owners to keep their units on line even when the going gets touch. A capacity market can send the right signals, create the right incentives, for generators NOT to simply shut down, as so many apparently did in Texas because there was no downside for doing so (other than lost energy revenue).

  13. djrippert Avatar

    Great article,. Acbar. Thanks. My favorite sentence, “The concept of reliability in electricity grids is probabilistic.” So true. And the more you’re willing to spend the lower the probability of a widespread outage. Of course, the more you spend the higher the cost of electricity and high power costs have a dampening effect on the overall economy.

    1. Yep — reliability is not an absolute, only a balancing of risks and costs, with a marketplace to allow competition and spread the risks accordingly.

  14. djrippert Avatar

    Great article,. Acbar. Thanks. My favorite sentence, “The concept of reliability in electricity grids is probabilistic.” So true. And the more you’re willing to spend the lower the probability of a widespread outage. Of course, the more you spend the higher the cost of electricity and high power costs have a dampening effect on the overall economy.

    1. Yep — reliability is not an absolute, only a balancing of risks and costs, with a marketplace to allow competition and spread the risks accordingly.

  15. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Acbar, thanks for a glimpse into a world I know absolutely nothing about. I am astounded at its comlexity.

    1. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      Acbar, I agree. Back in my day we were totally immersed in worrying about such technical minutiae as switchgear reliability and maintenance of adequate power factor through line and equipment configuration and design. Grids as such and their economics were hardly discussed if at all. Let’s hope at least some introduction to your topic is provided these days to afford the grad EE a more complete education. Thanks much!

  16. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Acbar, thanks for a glimpse into a world I know absolutely nothing about. I am astounded at its comlexity.

    1. John Harvie Avatar
      John Harvie

      Acbar, I agree. Back in my day we were totally immersed in worrying about such technical minutiae as switchgear reliability and maintenance of adequate power factor through line and equipment configuration and design. Grids as such and their economics were hardly discussed if at all. Let’s hope at least some introduction to your topic is provided these days to afford the grad EE a more complete education. Thanks much!

  17. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    ERCOT Board Resigns! Long Live ERCOT!

  18. Nancy_Naive Avatar
    Nancy_Naive

    ERCOT Board Resigns! Long Live ERCOT!

  19. LarrytheG Avatar

    Apparently, some of the ERCOT board lived out of state!

    But something to consider. What the free market values and wants is not necessarily what consumers value and want and government laws and regulations tend to bridge the gap, sometimes, and not without additional costs and bureaucratic downsides.

    If we want reliability – it’s not what the free-market specializes in, and it’s an “extra cost” item. It adds to the electric bill.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar

      The Government doesn’t provide “reliability” it’s not a function of Government or of laws or regulations.

      There are four purposes of Laws:
      1. maintaining order
      2. establishing standards
      3. resolving disputes
      4. protecting individual rights and liberties

      Regulations are merely a way for the Government to force private businesses to operate in a fashion of their choosing if they wish to be a member of that sector.

      Reliability only improves when you can reduce random errors, that’s not a function of Government.

      I’m also rather certain that people value their money and having to pass less for a service would be of value to them.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        The government REGULATES to mandate some level of reliability by requiring things like how much “capacity” has to be maintained/provided/made available.

        It flows down from NERC TO FERC to PJM – to the grid.

        Texas has openly stated they chose to NOT be subject to FERC standards for reliability.

        The Government sets standards that, in turn, make systems more reliable.

        Take a nuclear plant. All kinds of redundant systems that the government mandates as a condition of an operating permit.

        Take an airplane. Who sets the standards for both safety and reliability?

        Take vaccines… or a wide, wide variety of things.

        on and on…. many, many laws, and regulations are related to reliability of things the private sector provides.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar

          Again, reliability isn’t a function of Government. Regulations do not provide reliability, they provide uniformity in a given instance.

          How does one mandate capacity when the supply isn’t there?

          “Take a nuclear plant. All kinds of redundant systems that the government mandates as a condition of an operating permit.”

          That’s not for reliability it’s for uniformity and safety.

          “Take an airplane. Who sets the standards for both safety and reliability?”

          Again, not for reliability.

          “Take vaccines… or a wide, wide variety of things.”

          None of what you’ve stated has anything to do with reliability. You’re just parroting Big Government notions that they make everything better, they for a fact do not. The crush innovation, inflate prices and generate unneeded red tape.

  20. LarrytheG Avatar

    Apparently, some of the ERCOT board lived out of state!

    But something to consider. What the free market values and wants is not necessarily what consumers value and want and government laws and regulations tend to bridge the gap, sometimes, and not without additional costs and bureaucratic downsides.

    If we want reliability – it’s not what the free-market specializes in, and it’s an “extra cost” item. It adds to the electric bill.

    1. Matt Adams Avatar

      The Government doesn’t provide “reliability” it’s not a function of Government or of laws or regulations.

      There are four purposes of Laws:
      1. maintaining order
      2. establishing standards
      3. resolving disputes
      4. protecting individual rights and liberties

      Regulations are merely a way for the Government to force private businesses to operate in a fashion of their choosing if they wish to be a member of that sector.

      Reliability only improves when you can reduce random errors, that’s not a function of Government.

      I’m also rather certain that people value their money and having to pass less for a service would be of value to them.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        The government REGULATES to mandate some level of reliability by requiring things like how much “capacity” has to be maintained/provided/made available.

        It flows down from NERC TO FERC to PJM – to the grid.

        Texas has openly stated they chose to NOT be subject to FERC standards for reliability.

        The Government sets standards that, in turn, make systems more reliable.

        Take a nuclear plant. All kinds of redundant systems that the government mandates as a condition of an operating permit.

        Take an airplane. Who sets the standards for both safety and reliability?

        Take vaccines… or a wide, wide variety of things.

        on and on…. many, many laws, and regulations are related to reliability of things the private sector provides.

        1. Matt Adams Avatar

          Again, reliability isn’t a function of Government. Regulations do not provide reliability, they provide uniformity in a given instance.

          How does one mandate capacity when the supply isn’t there?

          “Take a nuclear plant. All kinds of redundant systems that the government mandates as a condition of an operating permit.”

          That’s not for reliability it’s for uniformity and safety.

          “Take an airplane. Who sets the standards for both safety and reliability?”

          Again, not for reliability.

          “Take vaccines… or a wide, wide variety of things.”

          None of what you’ve stated has anything to do with reliability. You’re just parroting Big Government notions that they make everything better, they for a fact do not. The crush innovation, inflate prices and generate unneeded red tape.

  21. In one sense, renewables may have “caused” the TX issue:
    If you go back not too many years ago, TX was planning to build a large number of coal-fired power plants. Many many. Instead TX changed course, and went wild with on-shore wind. I did not want those coal-fired power plants. I can assure you.

  22. In one sense, renewables may have “caused” the TX issue:
    If you go back not too many years ago, TX was planning to build a large number of coal-fired power plants. Many many. Instead TX changed course, and went wild with on-shore wind. I did not want those coal-fired power plants. I can assure you.

  23. LarrytheG Avatar

    We do a decent job with some recycling but not other. Solar panels are a minor thing compared to, for instance, nuclear plants which pretty much have to be stored forever, either in place or at a repository. That’s land that can never be used for anything else for the most part.

    We have to recycle lithium batteries also as well as things like catalytic converters – which people are stealing because of their recycle value!

    Remember compact fluorescent lights? Gasoline, oil, and a host of other chemicals ? Tires? old fridges and stoves, ??? etc, etc..

    And plastics? what are we doing with plastics now?

    The point is that solar panels are not the only thing and they do recycle reasonably well.

    It’s just not any more an issues than with a number of other things.

    1. Off topic L:arry- but in California , Prius owners have had problems with (1) stolen hybrid batteries and (2) stolen cat converters. Toyota needs to do a better job welding those in.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        TBill, my reading says that catalytic converters are stolen all over the country – for their resale value for recycling! Could that be for solar panels too, maybe?

        1. Larry- the cat converters contain gram-quantities of platinum or palladium. I don’t know as much about Palladium, but platinum is highly recyclable, so it is almost always recovered. Which is a good thing otherwise we’d run out of it.

          I don’t know what you mean about solar, but I have heard there is a very small amount of silver used per panel, which would not be as mega-valuable as Platinum.

          1. Matt Adams Avatar

            Solar panels contain copious amounts of lead.

          2. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Not near as much as a lead acid, agm, or gel battery.

          3. LarrytheG Avatar

            worse comes to worse, we stack the dead ones at the nuke sites along side the spent nuke fuel. 😉 couldn’t be any more toxic… 😉

  24. LarrytheG Avatar

    We do a decent job with some recycling but not other. Solar panels are a minor thing compared to, for instance, nuclear plants which pretty much have to be stored forever, either in place or at a repository. That’s land that can never be used for anything else for the most part.

    We have to recycle lithium batteries also as well as things like catalytic converters – which people are stealing because of their recycle value!

    Remember compact fluorescent lights? Gasoline, oil, and a host of other chemicals ? Tires? old fridges and stoves, ??? etc, etc..

    And plastics? what are we doing with plastics now?

    The point is that solar panels are not the only thing and they do recycle reasonably well.

    It’s just not any more an issues than with a number of other things.

    1. Off topic L:arry- but in California , Prius owners have had problems with (1) stolen hybrid batteries and (2) stolen cat converters. Toyota needs to do a better job welding those in.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        TBill, my reading says that catalytic converters are stolen all over the country – for their resale value for recycling! Could that be for solar panels too, maybe?

        1. Larry- the cat converters contain gram-quantities of platinum or palladium. I don’t know as much about Palladium, but platinum is highly recyclable, so it is almost always recovered. Which is a good thing otherwise we’d run out of it.

          I don’t know what you mean about solar, but I have heard there is a very small amount of silver used per panel, which would not be as mega-valuable as Platinum.

          1. LarrytheG Avatar

            worse comes to worse, we stack the dead ones at the nuke sites along side the spent nuke fuel. 😉 couldn’t be any more toxic… 😉

          2. Matt Adams Avatar

            Solar panels contain copious amounts of lead.

          3. Nancy_Naive Avatar
            Nancy_Naive

            Not near as much as a lead acid, agm, or gel battery.

  25. JP Barringer Avatar
    JP Barringer

    Seems like Disqus is working.

    1. Excellent. Let the mayhem begin!

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