Hospital Quality Matters – A Lot

by James C. Sherlock

A recent note from a reader brought up the issue of emergency room quality.

The Kaiser Family Foundation reported that Virginians made 423 ER visits per 1,000 population in 2017 (the most recent data available). That number doesn’t have to be current to be attention-grabbing.

VDH’s vhi.org does not report on quality of emergency departments. It does offer ARHQ quality indicators, for hospitals, but the data used currently are from 2019.

The best regular citizens can do to determine what hospital they should use if they have a choice is Medicare.gov’s data. It is updated four times a year.

The quality of the hospital will matter more than most people know. I got a good look at a bunch of them professionally in systems engineering projects.

I learned that the quality variances can be enormous.

EMS. Before you check on the quality of E.R.’s, you should as a citizen support quality Emergency Medical Services (EMS) systems. Those are the first responders if you need help, and they will treat and transport you to the hospital if you need it.

If your local service is volunteer, make sure you help fund them  If a city or county service, inquire about how they are doing. You can go to a local station and ask the professionals themselves.

ER Quality. As for hospitals, Go here. Click on whatever hospital you wish.

Page down to quality. Click on “timely and effective care.” Page down to emergency department care.

You will see data for

  • patient departures before being seen;
  • how quickly stroke victims received a brain scan;
  • emergency department volume; and
  • the average time spent in the ER before leaving.

That is not all of the information you would like, but it is better than nothing.

The other thing you can do is look for a Level I or Level II trauma center. Not because you are a trauma victim, but because the ER physicians will have specialists available to consult at 3 a.m.

A Level I center is the best staffed.

Also remember that if you go to an ER and they want to admit you, you can request transportation to another, higher-rated facility as soon as you are well enough to be transported.

Hospital quality by condition. To find the best hospital for you or your loved one’s condition, you can go to the rest of the quality measures on any hospital’s page on the Medicare.gov care-compare website linked above.

Look at:

  • Complications and Deaths — complications, infections and death rates are measured and compared against national norms;
  • Unplanned Hospital Visits — readmissions for a medical condition and after a procedure by type;
  • Maternal Health;
  • Psychiatric Unit Services — preventive care and screening, substance use treatment, patient safety, follow-up care, unplanned readmission; and
  • Payment and Value of Care — look at value of care for heart attack, heart failure, hip-knee replacement and pneumonia.

A personal recommendation.

I did hospital quality improvement work professionally for several years among my other systems engineering projects. We sought to help make hospitals more efficient and effective to support their medical skills.

I learned a lot in the dozen or so hospitals in which I spent considerable time. I learned that hospital quality varies a very great deal, even among departments in one hospital.

As a first step, I recommend you ask your primary care physician (if you have one) for a recommendation of both specialist and hospital. If you are a Medicaid patient, your managed care organization should help you with the information you need and with your choices. Same with Medicare Advantage.

Regardless, to ask the right questions, you can check the Medicare compare ratings of local hospitals. The ratings are the result of a vast amount of data professionally assessed with nationally approved algorithms. As I wrote earlier, the data are updated four times a year. The algorithms are tweaked nearly every year.

Remember that your surgeon or other specialist, regardless of quality, will not be taking care of you in the hospital. He or she will be assisted by hospital staff in any procedure, and you will be cared for by staff. Including nights, weekends and holidays when there is not as much supervision.

If your specialist does not have privileges at a hospital that is 4- or 5- star rated in the treatment of your condition and there is a higher quality hospital in your area, consider a specialist with privileges where you want to go.

In my experience, it is that important.

Updated Nov 1 at 20:24


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18 responses to “Hospital Quality Matters – A Lot”

  1. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
    Dick Hall-Sizemore

    Thanks for putting together this information. I hope that I will not be needing it in the near future, but if I do, it will be nice to have this resource.

    1. Nancy Naive Avatar
      Nancy Naive

      Better to be kind to your children. They pick your senior living institution.

  2. Paul Sweet Avatar
    Paul Sweet

    When my late mother-in law was in an assisted living facility they sent her to the ER once or twice a month for several months until her physical therapist diagnosed her as having Parkinsons. I guess the ER doctors missed it since it wasn’t cardiac or trauma. A couple visits were for a urinary tract infection.

    1. Lefty665 Avatar

      No primary care doc and it took a PT to flag Parkinson’s after multiple ER visits for Parkinson’s symptoms that generally are not subtle? That ain’t much of an assist to living either.

  3. Nancy Naive Avatar
    Nancy Naive

    Cleanliness IS next to godliness.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      Exactly.

      1. Nancy Naive Avatar
        Nancy Naive

        Ya know, on second thought, LACK of cleanliness will get you to godliness faster…

  4. Lefty665 Avatar

    423 ER visits per 1,000 state residents per year? That’s a story in itself. Can that be right? If so that raises big questions about how ERs are being used.

    I’ve been in an ER twice in about 75 years, and that frequency is similar for people I know. Someone has used the ER a hell of a lot more often to bring that down to an average of about once every 2 1/2 years across the Commonwealth.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      It is right, Lefty. And it is a story in itself. I didn’t break it, The Kaiser Family Foundation did a couple of years ago. You will see that Virginia was in the middle of the pack of the states and D.C. D.C. had almost 700 annual ER visits per 1000 citizens.https://www.beckershospitalreview.com/rankings-and-ratings/states-ranked-by-er-visit-rate.html#:~:text=States%20ranked%20by%20ER%20visit%20rate%201%201.,551%208%208.%20North%20Dakota%3A%20538%20More%20items

      The reason the the State of Maryland created a Health Enterprise Zone initiative that has proven massively successful, both in cost reduction and in the reduction of human suffering.

      I wrote legislation for Virginia that passed overwhelmingly in the health committees of the GA but was tabled in the budget committee. The outcome in Maryland reduced the enormous costs of ER visits and admissions of people who should never have needed to be there.

      The concept, which outperformed even Maryland’s hopes for it, was to create islands of primary care providers in places where there were none or in which the population had lost faith in them, and treat chronic diseases early before the afflicted wound up in the ER and had to be admitted for major procedures.

      I will tell you that ER’s in South Hampton Roads are crowded every day. Forget about weekends.

      It is a story that has a proven solution with huge Medicaid money savings which the GA House Appropriations Committee, led at the time by a Black Democrat whose district would have been a prime beneficiary, refused to understand.

      You can imagine my frustration, and that of now AG Jason Miyares, who carried the bill.

    2. how_it_works Avatar
      how_it_works

      I know someone who went to the ER something like 70 times in one year. He’s on Medicaid and pretty much a hypochondriac–a wonderful combination. He also has a pill addiction, I’m pretty certain, since most of his ER visits that I’m familiar with he got painkillers.

      Most of his ER visits he was told to follow up with his PCP, but he never did, and just went to the ER again a few days later for stomach pains. Lather, rinse, repeat….

      At one point they told him they couldn’t do any more CAT scans on him because he’d already had so many that they were concerned that the radiation would harm him.

      Not going to get into details about how I got wrapped up in this guy’s problems–I knew him from high school–but suffice it to say that some people aren’t worth the effort to try to help, and they’ll drag you down into their pit of dysfunction and insanity if you let them.

      He’s currently living with/sponging off his uncle, who at this point is probably wishing his brother had used a condom.

      As far as the brother/dad goes, the family lore is that he died from cancer (at age 25??) but the death certificate I found on Ancestry shows that (drumroll please…) he passed away from a painkiller overdose.

      I am NOT making any of this stuff up.

      1. LarrytheG Avatar

        Many EMS have to charge now because of “repeat riders” like the guy you’re talking about.

        And just providing a primary care or even urgent care doc-in-boxes won’t totally solve the problem of those who are habitual users that result in rules and regs changes that sometimes harm those that do need care.

        A few years back a law called EMTALA got created when hospitals were sending some patients elsewhere.

        What are the 3 distinct elements of EMTALA?

        EMTALA defines 3 responsibilities of participating hospitals (defined as hospitals that accept Medicare reimbursement):

        Provide all patients with a medical screening examination (MSE)

        Stabilize any patients with an emergency medical condition.

        Transfer or accept appropriate patients as needed.

      2. LarrytheG Avatar

        Many EMS have to charge now because of “repeat riders” like the guy you’re talking about.

        And just providing a primary care or even urgent care doc-in-boxes won’t totally solve the problem of those who are habitual users that result in rules and regs changes that sometimes harm those that do need care.

        A few years back a law called EMTALA got created when hospitals were sending some patients elsewhere.

        What are the 3 distinct elements of EMTALA?

        EMTALA defines 3 responsibilities of participating hospitals (defined as hospitals that accept Medicare reimbursement):

        Provide all patients with a medical screening examination (MSE)

        Stabilize any patients with an emergency medical condition.

        Transfer or accept appropriate patients as needed.

        1. how_it_works Avatar
          how_it_works

          They have a term.. GOMER

          Get Out of My Emergency Room

          GOMERS

          There’s some message forums where ER doctors discuss all the hypochondriacs and drug seekers they deal with.

          Interesting reading…

    3. Dick Hall-Sizemore Avatar
      Dick Hall-Sizemore

      The hospitals go to great lengths to encourage folks to use the ER. How many billboards have you seen flashing “only ___ minutes to wait”?

  5. Lefty665 Avatar

    Not sure your last paragraph reads as you want it to. Are you advocating that we should change surgeons/specialists to get to a highly rated department/hospital?

    Interesting balance between the importance of physician and institution skills. You seem pretty sure a bad doc won’t kill you as quickly as a bad hospital.

    1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
      James C. Sherlock

      I don’t recommend a bad doc. I recommend a good doc with privileges in a good hospital. Many have system-wide privileges.

      As for your other point, you are correct. Thank you. I fixed it.

      1. Lefty665 Avatar

        Exactly, there is no substitute for paying attention to who is providing your health care. An MD is not a guarantee that a doc is good or open doors that a hospital is either.

        I worked with a guy who did earnings loss calculations in medical malpractice suits. After doing it for awhile he was horrified to find that the same bunch of about a dozen stumble bum docs and one hospital in Richmond were in court again and again. The medical community knew who the bad actors were but showed little interest in policing itself. They left it to lawyers to extract individual reparations after damage was repeatedly done.

        It’s not too hard to filter out the clunkers for yourself with a little poking around.

        On the good side it does seem that hospitals have gotten better with process control in recent years. For example, 20 years ago I slept in the hospital room with my dad because 3 times a day when the shift changed knowledge of the patient went to zero. In a recent stay I was pleased to see there was explicit hand off between shifts of nurses in my presence. Same kind of thing with putting an X on my forehead to mark which of my eyes was getting a cataract removed and me being asked several times to confirm it. There are some improvements.

        1. James C. Sherlock Avatar
          James C. Sherlock

          There are indeed. I was involved in the investigation that resulted in the landmark “To Err Is Human” report by the Institutes of Medicine and Engineering in 2000. We have come a long way. It is the laggards we want to avoid.

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