AG to Virginia Constitution: Drop Dead

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Less than two weeks ago, Attorney General Mark Herring swore to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of Virginia. Apparently, he was crossing his fingers behind his back while taking the oath of office, for he now asserts that Virginia’s constitutional ban on same-sex marriage is…. unconstitutional. Not only that, but the AG’s office will not defend the state constitution in a case before U.S. District Court challenging the ban.

As state senator from Loudoun County in 2006, Herring had voted for the state amendment banning same-sex marriage. At some point since then, he had a change of heart. He just never bothered to tell voters, presumably because he thought it would hurt his run for the AG’s office. That was probably pretty shrewd thinking. Given the fact that he won by a razor-thin margin, hiding his intentions undoubtedly made his victory possible. It also speaks loudly about what kind of man Herring is, and what kind of AG he will be. (I say this, incidentally, as a blogger who has never written about Herring before and had formed no impression of him.)

There is a strong case to be made to allow same-sex marriages. Personally, I’m on the fence on the issue. I see the merits of both sides of the argument. As it happens, there is a very good way to reverse the constitutional prohibition — go through the same amendment process that voters previously went through to pass it.

Herring says that Virginia needs to be “on the right side of  history.” Given the sea change in attitudes towards gay marriage, I expect that Virginia will reverse the constitutional ban eventually. But abandoning the AG’s role as upholder of the state constitution substitutes the rule of man for the rule of law. That is very much the “wrong side of history.”

Update: Actually, there may be legitimate issues regarding the duties of the Attorney General. I was surprised to see that those duties are not enumerated in the state constitution, which says, ” He shall perform such duties and receive such compensation as may be prescribed by law.”

Here is the oath of office, as stipulated in Virginia’s Constitution: “I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support the Constitution of the United States, and the Constitution of the Commonwealth of Virginia, and that I will faithfully and impartially discharge all the duties incumbent upon me as ……………….., according to the best of my ability (so help me God).”

I suppose Herring could argue that in a case where the U.S. and state constitutions conflict, he can legitimately side with the U.S. constitution. It’s lame but at least it’s an argument.

Update: Paul Goldman illuminates the legal ethics of Herring’s obligations under the Rules of Professional Conduct applicable to all lawyers: “These Virginia Supreme Court sanctioned rules prohibit a lawyer from unilaterally taking any action materially adverse to a former client. That at least is the plain reading. What could be more materially adverse than having your former lawyer use his prestige and taxpayer funding to defeat you?”

— JAB


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32 responses to “AG to Virginia Constitution: Drop Dead”

  1. If Herring were in the state senate, a change of views on gay marriage is reasonable. While he would need to explain to his constituents why he changed (maybe it’s just politics), legislators do change their views from time to time.

    I also believe that, as Attorney General, Herring can reasonably take a different position in a court case than he supported as a senator. Again, there needs to be some explanation, but the roles of AG and state senator are different. And as a constitutional officer, he know plays a different role.

    I don’t believe that there are no circumstances under which an AG could come to the conclusion a statute or a state constitution section is unconstitutional. But the AG, as the chief attorney for a state, has a duty to defend state law. I don’t think the current status of the law is so clear that one can reasonably and ethically conclude a state ban on gay marriage is per se unconstitutional under all circumstances. Moreover, two General Assemblies and the voters approved the constitutional amendment defining marriage as a union between two people, male and female. Despite the political pressure, Herring should defend the will of the voters.

    If the challenge to the constitution were based on the provision that limits marriage to two people, I strongly believe Herring would not necessarily argue that provision was unconstitutional because there is no politically correct pressure to do so. Yet, I don’t believe Herring could distinguish the two restrictions.

    Based on this and this alone, Herring strikes me as little more than a political opportunist and not much of a lawyer. He’s perfect for the Democratic Party and Fred Hiatt too.

    1. I agree with most of what you say, but I would refine one key point. The AG is not obligated to defend state law if he believes the state law is unconstitutional. But the AG is duty bound to defend the state constitution. There is no higher law than the constitution!

      1. Jim, I don’t disagree with your qualification. But as an attorney, I don’t think the law is so clear that a state ban on gay marriage is per se unconstitutional in all circumstances. The Supreme Court has not been that clear. A good attorney would hold his nose and defend the constitution. A politician more interested in votes would not.

  2. Tysons Engineer Avatar
    Tysons Engineer

    So, the tides are changing in opinion… well that doesn’t really help people who are in same sex relationships who for years have seen different treatment under the law in tax law, workplace discrimination, insurance, medical rights, etc.

    I still find it baffling that anyone would want to restrict another persons rights in this country based on religious view, and think that somehow the federal constitution protects that “right”. That’s not a right. Until the republicans correct their backwards views on this and other social issues, fiscally conservative minded moderates of my generation will continue to avoid those candidates like the plague.

    You are on the wrong side of history by withholding the constitutional rights to ALL people. By delaying by the shield of states rights (god where have we heard this before) just causes continued anguish, pain, and undue suffering to those who have waited long enough.

    1. I appreciate and respect your fervent belief in support of same-sex marriage. But the foundation of all rights is the rule of law. If you dispense with the rule of law because you are impatient for a particular outcome, you are advocating anarchy and rule by the strong.

      1. Tysons Engineer Avatar
        Tysons Engineer

        Not when those laws are governed by a higher set of laws that can be argued invalidate them. How else can bad laws ever be changed? You are advocating for law by mob rule, and frankly Virginia’s history has proven far too often that the mob can be plain old wrong (even when a majority of citizens vote to say it is right).

        Herrings stand being called “political” is absurd considering that this decision is going to draw him extreme heat from opposition and make him a lightening rod in a state that remains fairly conservative socially. But if it makes anyone feel better, go ahead and portray him with his finger in the air.

        This was the anti-political thing for him to do, he could have instead sat back, watched the law be struck by higher court decision, as it almost certainly will be, and had his cake while eating it too; setting himself up for 4 years from now. Instead, if he were to run in 4 years, this will most certainly be one of the first things opponents will attack.

    2. The same issues can be raised about polygamous marriage, which I suspect a lot of supporters of gay marriage would oppose. I believe a reasonable argument can be made that Virginia ought to change its constitution and statutes to broaden the definition of civil marriage, while protecting the right of religious groups to define marriage differently. It is good for the General Assembly to be looking at changes and debating them.

      But there is a big difference in all of a sudden claiming “Eureka, the Constitution, which used to be interpreted to allow a ban on gay marriages has now somehow changed and the opposite is true.” The entire purpose of written constitutions is to protect against the whim of public opinion. A nation or a state that allows constitutional decisions to be made based on changes in public opinion is a very scary place in which to live. And as we all know, public opinion changes.

      It is possible and even reasonable for a court to change its view on the constitutionality of something. But that change must be well reasoned and explained and not based on the latest public opinion poll. If not, we have no constitution. And then we have no liberty.

      I think it’s fine for Herring to change his personal or political view on gay marriage. He’s not alone. But two GAs voted to offer an amendment to the Virginia constitution to define marriage as a union of a male and a female. The voters approved that amendment. Like the result or not, it must be respected and should be defended by the Attorney General. Herring may not like the argument he has to make. Many of us have argued for things we did not believe in or even like. It’s part of the duty of an attorney.

      A good and ethical attorney in Herring’s position would hold his nose and make the best possible arguments defending Virginia law in the courts. At the very same time, he could lobby the GA and the public to change the law and the constitution. There is no contradiction in such approach.

      1. Tysons Engineer Avatar
        Tysons Engineer

        How is it any different to DOMA being struck down? You acknowledge the whims of change in the repeal of it, but not in the institution of it?

        And frankly, if someone wants to be polygamous with consenting adults, then again, I agree, the state should have no damn opinion.

        1. I love the way the Conservatives want a “small” govt except when it comes to religious beliefs, gender, sexuality, marriage, race, heritage, etc… It’s “liberty” with a small “l”.

        2. Section 3 of DOMA required the federal government not to recognize a gay marriage permitted by a state. States could still allow or disallow marriages. But for purposes of federal statutes, e.g., the Internal Revenue Code, only heterosexual marriages were recognized. The Supreme Court held that section, and that section only, was unconstitutional. Previously, courts had upheld Section 3 as constitutional. The Court did not rule that State A had to recognize State B’s gay marriage when State A did not recognize any state marriages.

          There are a host of other cases involving gay marriage pending in the courts. It is fair to say that the status of gay marriage for constitutional purposes is uncertain. SCOTUS just stayed an order from a federal judge in Utah declaring that state’s marriage law unconstitutional. If it were open and shut, the Supreme Court would not have granted the stay.

          And Larry, as a state senator Herring voted to advance the constitutional amendment that defined marriage as a union of one male and one female.

          Herring should defend the law as is and work to have it changed. But he’s playing for the crowd. And I would think Herring would be offended by comparing him to Eric Holder, who doesn’t even make the pretense of following law.

  3. I think the Va law and Constitution – as currently written – would not pass the US Constitution muster given the recent SCOTUS opinions.

    If a subset of the current law is thought to be able to pass muster – then there is legislative remedies to it but to say that any law that has unconstitutional elements in it – can still stand muster because some parts of it are okay – not law…

    you don’t let laws that have illegal or unconstitutional parts – stand.

    I don’t think Herring is doing anything different than the US AG did for DOMA.

    if part of a law or even a State Constitutional amendment fails to pass US Constitutional scrutiny – then it is invalidated – and it’s up to the State to try to re-write something that will pass muster.

    Herring is basically saying he’s pretty sure the Va law is not going to stand and that he’s not going to expend resources over defending something that is in all probability going to be invalidated on the same basis that the SCOTUS invalidated other very similar State laws.

    Virginia has a bad habit of being on the wrong side of the law and the Constitution – and then hanging on until the bitter end… e.g. the Lovings and Massive Resistance.

    Judging Herring on Cucinelli standards is wacko anyhow….

    Virginia is changing. A younger people – even Conservative younger people take jobs… and live here.. we’re going to see an end to the old white guy rule… not without some resistance.. but it’s going to happen.

  4. DJRippert Avatar

    I was defending gay rights before it was cool to defend gay rights. I voted against the Virginia Constitutional measure that mandated that marriage be only between one man and one woman.

    However ….

    The rule of law must be preserved.

    Herring’s position is absurd. He claims to be the de facto US Supreme Court by inferring that Virginia’s Constitution is unconstitutional under the US Constitution.

    That is a question for the US Supreme Court, not Mark Herring.

    This guy is coming across as a world class clown very early in his tenure as Attorney General.

  5. Breckinridge Avatar
    Breckinridge

    Another blow to the Virginia Way….(but then, elections have consequences.)

    The issue is not Herring refusing to defend the state’s position. That’ fine. He can pass the baton to another lawyer. The issue is Herring OPPOSING the state’s position by joining the other side, and by dismissing the General Assembly’s quite legitimate desire to find and direct it’s own attorney. (Although I guess next week there will be a House position and the Senate position and two more attorneys.)

    Herring is putting politics above duty.

  6. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Doesn’t anyone remember the Cooch and his witch hunt against Michael Mann?

    He was wasting taxpayer money and atty. gen. man hours chasing UVA for thousands of emails and when his legal approach failed he got his partner Bob Marshall to move in with the FOIA.

    What was that all about? What happened to Mann and the emails? Nothing, that’s what and that’s what Cooch did in the name of the people of Virginia.

    Herring is right that the ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional. It is. and he’s on much better ground than Cooch was in his witch hunt that only brought Virginia international scorn.

    What do all you conservatives say about that?

    1. DJRippert Avatar

      “Herring is right that the ban on gay marriage is unconstitutional. It is. ”

      Oddly, I must have missed the US Senate confirmation hearings when you and Mark Herring were appointed to the US Supreme Court.

      Cuccinelli didn’t choose to void Virginia law. He pursued a fraud case against a professor who had been funded with public funds. He lost. Was it a waste of time? Yes. Was it shirking his oath of office? No.

      Herring proposes to become a one man replacement for the US Supreme Court. Sorry – that doesn’t play. There are plenty of people in Virginia with standing to bring the Marriage Amendment to court. Herring should defend that amendment to the best of his abilities. That is what he is paid to do. If a high court strikes down the amendment – so be it. I’ll personally be happy.

      However, Herring has no place simply deciding which Virginia laws he likes (and will defend) and which he dislikes (and won’t defend).

      He should do his job or resign.

    2. Breckinridge Avatar
      Breckinridge

      Peter, I’d call that a red herring but I guess I’d better not.

      Actually there is a parallel. Cooch’s efforts concerned me because UVA was his client, and he was suing his client. In this case Herring is joining the plaintiffs and suing the client. Again, I have no problem with him declaring that he cannot in good conscience defend that part of the VA constitution. But the proper next step should have been to appoint someone else to defend it, because otherwise the people of Virginia who did adopt it are denied their right to representation.

      Both cases put together represent a dangerous trend, and one that the Left better think about because what goes around comes around.

      1. Breckinridge Avatar
        Breckinridge

        I guess we call this Attorney General Nullification or the Attorney General’s Veto. Really people, think this through to the end and it’s dangerous.

    3. What are you saying, Peter… If the Cooch abused his job as AG that it’s OK for Herring to as well?

      As for the ban on gay marriage being unconstitutional, can you site me the relevant Supreme Court ruling stating that to be the case?

  7. Peter your logic fails. Cooch accused Mann of falsifying state documents, something consistent with state law. If it’s not, I want to get into the ODU billing system and mark my son’s tuition as paid through senior year. And if we complain about the State Corporation Commission being exempt from FIOA, why not complain that UVA is? They are both taxpayer supported entities and creatures of the Commonwealth.

    If Herring does not wish to defend the statute, he should step aside and hire counsel for the Commonwealth. He was elected Attorney General, not Emperor of Rome.

  8. re: ” U.S. Supreme Court won’t hear Cuccinelli’s appeal of ruling against Va. sodomy law”

    “The Supreme Court ruled in 2003 that sodomy statutes criminalizing sexual activity between consenting adults were unconstitutional. Based on that ruling, a three-judge panel of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 4th Circuit ruled in March 2013 that Virginia’s statute was unconstitutional.”

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/virginia-politics/us-supreme-court-wont-hear-cuccinellis-appeal-of-ruling-against-va-sodomy-law/2013/10/07/9d4f83f4-2f77-11e3-bbed-a8a60c601153_story.html

    “Cuccinelli won’t defend McDonnell’s school-takeover law”

    “Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli’s office will not defend one of Gov. Bob McDonnell’s key education measures in an anticipated legal challenge after his analysis concluded that it’s unconstitutional.

    Cuccinelli sent a letter with the news to McDonnell on Aug. 27 — the same day the governor stood outside a Norfolk school and gave a hearty defense of the statewide school division created to take over academically failing local schools.
    McDonnell championed the measure, which struggled to pass in this year’s General Assembly and now faces a challenge from the Virginia School Boards Association and Norfolk city schools.

    “I write to certify to you that, given an analysis of the constitutional issues involved, my office cannot defend this lawsuit,” Cuccinelli wrote in the letter. He said McDonnell may employ special counsel or other assistance as necessary to represent the named defendants.”

    Now my question is my usual one about people holding one position for a guy they like and holding a different position for a guy they do not like.

    why do we keep having this problem?

    1. DJRippert Avatar

      Most of what Cuccinelli did as Attorney General was idiotic.

      The sodomy law was clearly overturned by the US Supreme Court. Constitutional amendments which mandate marriage as a union of one man and one woman have not been clearly overturned by the US Supreme Court. A federal judge and a federal appeals court (neither of which has jurisdiction over Virginia) overturned California’s law. Neither the US Supreme Court not the 4th District Court of Appeals (which has jurisdiction over Virginia) have ruled on the matter.

      Your point about Cuccinelli refusing to defend the school-takeover law is spot on. This was yet another case of an Attorney General defying the duly elected state legislature rather than supporting the Virginia Constitution and the laws enacted under its rule of law.

      Cuccinelli was wrong on that and Herring is wrong on this.

      1. Then why are we only hearing about it now and not when Cucinelli was doing it?

  9. RossPatterson Avatar
    RossPatterson

    Have any of you actually read the amicus curiae> brief that Herring filed? It is well-reasoned, it cites ample precedents both at the State and Federal levels, and it cites multiple cases in Virginia and in other states where Attorneys General declined to defend the laws of their states. It also takes note that there are two other defendants in the suit, who will continue to argue that gay marriage should remain illegal, including one who asked to be a defendant.

    Oh, and it wasn’t just Cuccinelli who chose not to defend Virginia’s laws. As Herring’s brief correctly points out, Republican AG Jerry Kilgore did so as well.

    1. Ross, please do provide a link to the amicus curiae. I have not read it. I’d like to, and I’d like to make it available to readers of Bacon’s Rebellion.

  10. I’d be appreciative of the link to the brief…

    and I have no problem with folks who are consistent in their views but those who had no problem with Cucinelli (or Kilgore) but now have a problem with Herring illustrate a problem with our politics, in my view.

    I have the utmost respect for folks who hold to their principles.. even if I disagree with their politics but I am less enamored of those whose claimed principles seem to shift depending on who is involved in the issue.

    Our country, our State twists in the political breezes.. not defending the law is hardly worth a whimper if the guy is GOP but it’s hell on wheels if he is a Dem…

    we’ve moved from individual who have principles and vote them to combatants in a culture war.

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  12. Peter Galuszka Avatar
    Peter Galuszka

    Jim,
    I think the federal constitution trumps the state constitution, at least if my undergrad constitutional law class still serves.

    But then, I studied in Massachusetts and not in Virginia!

    1. Peter, the law is not settled. The US Supreme Court just granted a stay of the order from the federal court in Utah that declared that state’s ban on gay marriage unconstitutional. If it were clear-cut, that stay would not have been issued. Lower courts are all over the map on what is constitutional and what is not. Last summer’s SCOTUS decision on DOMA did not strike any state bans on gay marriage. The US Supreme Court needs to resolve this issue, not the Virginia Attorney General.

      Like it or not, the General Assembly twice passed a constitutional amendment that defined civil marriage in Virginia as a union between one man and one woman. And the voters approved it. A good and ethical lawyer as attorney general should feel obligated to defend such a law, simply because of respect for the Virginia system of government. This is not an agency regulation, executive order or even a mere statute. It’s a constitutional amendment approved by voters. Good lawyers regularly defend clients whom they dislike and argue for positions that they personally don’t support. I’ve represented clients to the best of my ability even when I didn’t like their positions or causes. Indeed, I’ve taken on clients whose businesses I’ve found to be slimy because they too should have a right to their day in court or a defense of their property or business. I represented a client diligently in two litigations for several months even after the client stopped paying me because I had not yet been excused by the judges.

      It is because of the nature of this case – an extremely controversial one, but one where the process resulted in a constitutional amendment – that should cause Herring to defend it. Good lawyers are not afraid to rock the boat or disappoint friends and supporters.

      If I were attorney general and Virginia’s participation in the ACA or Medicaid challenged as unconstitutional, I would defend the law to the best of my ability even though I find the law repugnant. That’s what good lawyers do.

      1. DJRippert Avatar

        “The US Supreme Court needs to resolve this issue, not the Virginia Attorney General.”

        That is EXACTLY the point.

  13. When the SCOTUS ruled DOMA unconstitutional – do you not think that – that essentially invalidates those same provisions on State Constitutions?

    this is like the Loving case where the handwriting is on the wall in great big letters.. and Virginia continues to think “loophole” and “massive resistance”.

    Is that the “real”…. “Virginia way”?

    see, we have an AG who is reasoning that if DOMA is unconstitutional that State versions of it are not likely to survive challenges either and that all that would be gained by fighting it would be delay… and of course the expenditure of tax payer resources toward something that you knew was going to be fruitless.

    AND.. for a bonus – we make this a Partisan issue…to boot!

    never mind that the Cooch himself deemed a McDonnell-inspired law as unConstitutional and refused to defend it … and not a whimper from the crowd now demanding that Herring ….”follow the law”…. and talk of impeachment even…

    must we continue to demonstrate what neanderthals we are?

    1. Larry, each case must be decided on its own facts and application of the law. Striking one statute does not mean another is also unconstitutional. Problems with a federal law does not mean a state law has similar problems. Again, if it were open and shut, why did the SCOTUS grant a stay of the lower court order declaring Utah’s marriage statute unconstitutional? The Court rarely grants stays and never does when a frivolous argument is made. The state of the law is uncertain. The issue needs further litigation and decision by the Supreme Court, not by a state attorney general who wants political advantage over the Lt. Governor for the 2017 race.

      We are not talking about a regulation, an executive order, or even a statute. We are talking about a constitutional amendment, passed by two consecutive GAs (including one vote for passage by then Senator Herring) and approval by the voters of Virginia. If Herring thought the amendment was unconstitutional, why did he vote for it? He’s just another political hack trying for the next office. Herring does not even have the integrity to be consistent in his view of the Constitution.

      This is much more than a battle over gay marriage. This is about a constitutional officer disrespecting the laws and people of Virginia to advance his political career. This is about a man who has the privilege to practice law, not only as an individual, but as the Commonwealth’s lawyer, abusing that privilege for personal gain.

      No one elected Herring to be the final arbitrator of the United States Constitution. He was elected to defend the constitution of the U.S. and that of Virginia. But he, with higher office in mind, decided to ignore his oath to the people of Virginia. This is not about the merits of the law limiting marriage to one man and one woman, this is about an attorney general whose conduct is so self-serving and derelict in duty that he should resign. Mark Herring is not worthy of his office.

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